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Chodiz/name query - Thank you #poland

Brit Two Thousand <brit_two_thousand@...>
 

I would like to thank all those who took the time to reply to my query.

Without exception, the responses were extremely helpful and I hope I am now
on the right track!

I have looked again at the Census for 1881 and in fact my ancestor gave his
birthplace as Lubein, which David Harris in his response pointed out was
more likely the correct place than Lublin as it is only 3 miles >from
Chodecz.

In fact my ancestor must himself have got confused, as some 10 years later
when applying for British Naturalisation, he described himself as coming
from Lublin.
One last query, I have looked in the LDS list attached to the JRI site and
there do not appear to be any records for Chodecz or Lubein. Any ideas
about where to look?

Best wishes

Ashley Kopitko (Mr)

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Since the initial question has been thoroughly answered, that thread -- about the spelling and location of the town -- has been closed.


JRI Poland #Poland Chodiz/name query - Thank you #poland

Brit Two Thousand <brit_two_thousand@...>
 

I would like to thank all those who took the time to reply to my query.

Without exception, the responses were extremely helpful and I hope I am now
on the right track!

I have looked again at the Census for 1881 and in fact my ancestor gave his
birthplace as Lubein, which David Harris in his response pointed out was
more likely the correct place than Lublin as it is only 3 miles >from
Chodecz.

In fact my ancestor must himself have got confused, as some 10 years later
when applying for British Naturalisation, he described himself as coming
from Lublin.
One last query, I have looked in the LDS list attached to the JRI site and
there do not appear to be any records for Chodecz or Lubein. Any ideas
about where to look?

Best wishes

Ashley Kopitko (Mr)

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Since the initial question has been thoroughly answered, that thread -- about the spelling and location of the town -- has been closed.


Re: jri-pl digest: January 16, 2001 #poland

Brdbrain7@...
 

I copied http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI-PL/agad/index.htm directly >from Mark
Halpern's e-mail. I cannot find any such site. Please help.

Robin B. Seidenberg

Researching:

WANIEWSKI-Lomza gubernia (west of Bialystok)
WYRZYKIEWICZ-Lomza gubernia (west of Bialystok)
BRENNER-Zinkov (Kamenets-Podolskiy area)
BOGOSLOWSKY-Stavishche, Kiev, Ekaterinoslav


JRI Poland #Poland Re: jri-pl digest: January 16, 2001 #poland

Brdbrain7@...
 

I copied http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI-PL/agad/index.htm directly >from Mark
Halpern's e-mail. I cannot find any such site. Please help.

Robin B. Seidenberg

Researching:

WANIEWSKI-Lomza gubernia (west of Bialystok)
WYRZYKIEWICZ-Lomza gubernia (west of Bialystok)
BRENNER-Zinkov (Kamenets-Podolskiy area)
BOGOSLOWSKY-Stavishche, Kiev, Ekaterinoslav


Complaints about SPAM and unsolicited mail #lithuania

cskydell@...
 

Folks,

JewishGen is receiving an increasing number of complaints regarding
unsolicited mail >from a variety of organizations of potential Jewish
interest, as well as plain vanilla SPAM >from all kinds of businesses.

To help you all better understand the situation here are some pointers.

JewishGen does not ever sell or lend to any organization the e-mail
addresses or names of the subscribers to any of our lists.

The JewishGen Discussion Group is mirrored to the Usenet newsgroup
soc.genealogy.jewish and is therefore a public list. Not only are our
archives searchable by anyone with an interest, messages can be retrieved
from soc.genealogy.jewish and archived in programs such as Dejanews
<www.deja.com>

If you are subscribed to one of the SIG or Research Group mailing lists
hosted by JewishGen, be assured that these are not public but private
lists. These messages are not mirrored to anything, only subscribers to
the list may post or receive the messages. While it is true that
'outsiders' could search the SIG or Research Group archived messages, they
would have to know how to find them. Not an impossible task, if you know
where to look.

The only other way we have of protecting these lists and the e-mail
addresses of the subscribers if by relying on the integrity of the
subscribers. While some of you may believe that you are helping people by
providing their names to other lists, this is a violation of the way
JewishGen operates the private list. Please, under no circumstances
provide information >from a private list to anyone.

The most secure way of protecting lists is through passworded access,
however programs of that nature would cost us $50,000 if not more.
We do not have that kind of financial strength, nor do we have the
'volunteerpower' to set up a help desk where people can report abuse. A
good bit of this you can do on your own when you receive unsolicited mail.

First address the abuse division of the ISP >from whence the message came.
For example if it came >from XYZ.com you'd address abuse@XYZ.com,
include a copy of the unsolicited mail as well as the full header and
advise abuse@XYZ.com that you have received unwanted mail >from one of
their users and since this is a violation of any user agreement you would
appreciate if they would take the appropriate steps in cancelling the account.


Second when you get SPAM messages, check to see if you have ever posted a
message to any usenet newsgroup. If you can verify that you have not and
think the message may have originated because of your address being in a
SIG or Research Group mailing list, please notify support@jewishgen.org
giving all the particulars.

We hope this helps you to better understand the situation on all levels.
JewishGen is concerned, but as you can see there is little we can do to
prevent your addresses >from being captured by SPAMMERS.

Carol

Carol W. Skydell, Vice President
JewishGen Operations
cskydell@jewishgen.org


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Complaints about SPAM and unsolicited mail #lithuania

cskydell@...
 

Folks,

JewishGen is receiving an increasing number of complaints regarding
unsolicited mail >from a variety of organizations of potential Jewish
interest, as well as plain vanilla SPAM >from all kinds of businesses.

To help you all better understand the situation here are some pointers.

JewishGen does not ever sell or lend to any organization the e-mail
addresses or names of the subscribers to any of our lists.

The JewishGen Discussion Group is mirrored to the Usenet newsgroup
soc.genealogy.jewish and is therefore a public list. Not only are our
archives searchable by anyone with an interest, messages can be retrieved
from soc.genealogy.jewish and archived in programs such as Dejanews
<www.deja.com>

If you are subscribed to one of the SIG or Research Group mailing lists
hosted by JewishGen, be assured that these are not public but private
lists. These messages are not mirrored to anything, only subscribers to
the list may post or receive the messages. While it is true that
'outsiders' could search the SIG or Research Group archived messages, they
would have to know how to find them. Not an impossible task, if you know
where to look.

The only other way we have of protecting these lists and the e-mail
addresses of the subscribers if by relying on the integrity of the
subscribers. While some of you may believe that you are helping people by
providing their names to other lists, this is a violation of the way
JewishGen operates the private list. Please, under no circumstances
provide information >from a private list to anyone.

The most secure way of protecting lists is through passworded access,
however programs of that nature would cost us $50,000 if not more.
We do not have that kind of financial strength, nor do we have the
'volunteerpower' to set up a help desk where people can report abuse. A
good bit of this you can do on your own when you receive unsolicited mail.

First address the abuse division of the ISP >from whence the message came.
For example if it came >from XYZ.com you'd address abuse@XYZ.com,
include a copy of the unsolicited mail as well as the full header and
advise abuse@XYZ.com that you have received unwanted mail >from one of
their users and since this is a violation of any user agreement you would
appreciate if they would take the appropriate steps in cancelling the account.


Second when you get SPAM messages, check to see if you have ever posted a
message to any usenet newsgroup. If you can verify that you have not and
think the message may have originated because of your address being in a
SIG or Research Group mailing list, please notify support@jewishgen.org
giving all the particulars.

We hope this helps you to better understand the situation on all levels.
JewishGen is concerned, but as you can see there is little we can do to
prevent your addresses >from being captured by SPAMMERS.

Carol

Carol W. Skydell, Vice President
JewishGen Operations
cskydell@jewishgen.org


Rabbi Eleazer Kerzner (Brooklyn) #lithuania

Anita & Walter Fischer <anitwal@...>
 

I am trying to reconnect with the descendants of Rabbi Eleazer Kerzner. I
have lost the email addresses of a grandaughter and a grandson. The family
is listed as a descendant of the Vilna Gaon as the the Rabbi's wife was a
Gaon descendant.My father and the Rabbi were first cousins. I believe that
the Rabbi's son is now the head of his father's yeshiva in Brooklyn.

I am also looking for: Isaac Kerzner(probably of Brooklyn )and his sister
(B'nai Brak) and their descendants. They are the children of the Rabbi's
brother, Elya.

Please reply privately to:

Anita Fischer,
Montreal
anitwal@videotron.ca

Researching:
Perk, Rimer,Pearl, Plastock,Bloch,Kruger, all originally >from Lithuania, now
all over the world.


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Rabbi Eleazer Kerzner (Brooklyn) #lithuania

Anita & Walter Fischer <anitwal@...>
 

I am trying to reconnect with the descendants of Rabbi Eleazer Kerzner. I
have lost the email addresses of a grandaughter and a grandson. The family
is listed as a descendant of the Vilna Gaon as the the Rabbi's wife was a
Gaon descendant.My father and the Rabbi were first cousins. I believe that
the Rabbi's son is now the head of his father's yeshiva in Brooklyn.

I am also looking for: Isaac Kerzner(probably of Brooklyn )and his sister
(B'nai Brak) and their descendants. They are the children of the Rabbi's
brother, Elya.

Please reply privately to:

Anita Fischer,
Montreal
anitwal@videotron.ca

Researching:
Perk, Rimer,Pearl, Plastock,Bloch,Kruger, all originally >from Lithuania, now
all over the world.


Re: SAD in Lithuania #lithuania

Diane Jacobs <kingart@...>
 

from what I learned about language at the l999 genealogy
meeting in New York, if you put a little arrow symbol over
the S in Lithuanian it has the sound Sch or Sh.

Hope this helps.
Diane Jacobs
New York



Harry Glauber wrote:

My question to the SIG is which shtetl is SAD? ShtetlSeeker comes up >
with two matches for SAD, modern day SEDA (Siady) and SETA (Shat/Shaty).

To my best knowledge I think the first shtetl, Seda is the right answer.
It
was known as Siady (or Syady) in Russian, but in Swedish records I have
seen it listed as Schad, which I believe was its Yiddish name. >from Schad,
the step is not far to Sad.

Best regards

Adam Katzeff
Malmoe, Sweden


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: SAD in Lithuania #lithuania

Diane Jacobs <kingart@...>
 

from what I learned about language at the l999 genealogy
meeting in New York, if you put a little arrow symbol over
the S in Lithuanian it has the sound Sch or Sh.

Hope this helps.
Diane Jacobs
New York



Harry Glauber wrote:

My question to the SIG is which shtetl is SAD? ShtetlSeeker comes up >
with two matches for SAD, modern day SEDA (Siady) and SETA (Shat/Shaty).

To my best knowledge I think the first shtetl, Seda is the right answer.
It
was known as Siady (or Syady) in Russian, but in Swedish records I have
seen it listed as Schad, which I believe was its Yiddish name. >from Schad,
the step is not far to Sad.

Best regards

Adam Katzeff
Malmoe, Sweden


Re: Sad=Schad #lithuania

Avrohom Krauss <avkrauss@...>
 

It may be of interest to you that in the Lithuanian dialect spoken in the
vicinity of Telsiai, the "sh" (sch) sound is pronounced "s". So "Schad" is
pronounced "Sad" by locals.

As the joke goes in my family. "Ess fis ahf Sabbess" ("Eat fish on Shabbos" -This word "fish" said by a Litvak who says "sh" as "s", would sound like "Eat feet on Shabbos", since the yiddish word for feetis fees, or fis. -Its humor is lost in translation!)

Avrohom Krauss
Telz-Stone Israel


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: Sad=Schad #lithuania

Avrohom Krauss <avkrauss@...>
 

It may be of interest to you that in the Lithuanian dialect spoken in the
vicinity of Telsiai, the "sh" (sch) sound is pronounced "s". So "Schad" is
pronounced "Sad" by locals.

As the joke goes in my family. "Ess fis ahf Sabbess" ("Eat fish on Shabbos" -This word "fish" said by a Litvak who says "sh" as "s", would sound like "Eat feet on Shabbos", since the yiddish word for feetis fees, or fis. -Its humor is lost in translation!)

Avrohom Krauss
Telz-Stone Israel


The Lithuanian Jewish Division in World War II? #lithuania

Dov Levin <dovlevin@...>
 

Dear Mr. Miller and all litvaks - Shalom >from Yerushlayim

In 1985 was published my English book (FIGHTING BACK) on the Jewish
soldiers in the Lithuanian Division of the Red Army during the
years 1941-1945.

The Second (revised) edition was published in 1997 by Holmes&Meier Publishers Inc. Still available there:160 Broadway, East
Building' 9 th floor, NYC.phone number:212-374-0100/

If somebody is looking after information on individuals, I keep still in the Hebrew University of Jerusalem many files of hundreds soldiers who were interviewed by me

Prof. Dov Levin


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania The Lithuanian Jewish Division in World War II? #lithuania

Dov Levin <dovlevin@...>
 

Dear Mr. Miller and all litvaks - Shalom >from Yerushlayim

In 1985 was published my English book (FIGHTING BACK) on the Jewish
soldiers in the Lithuanian Division of the Red Army during the
years 1941-1945.

The Second (revised) edition was published in 1997 by Holmes&Meier Publishers Inc. Still available there:160 Broadway, East
Building' 9 th floor, NYC.phone number:212-374-0100/

If somebody is looking after information on individuals, I keep still in the Hebrew University of Jerusalem many files of hundreds soldiers who were interviewed by me

Prof. Dov Levin


Re: Bialystok Holocaust Testimony #general

Tilford Bartman <bartmant@...>
 

Hello,

I recently was able to get a Polish document dated December 6, 1945
translated to English. This document is the testimony regarding the
experiences during the holocaust of a women named Jozefina Szaper
Modzelewska. The testimony was taken in Bialystok Poland. Her husband
was a teacher at the famous Bialystok Hebrew Gymnasium. He did not
survive. She was in the Bialystok Ghetto, Majdanek, Auschwitz, and a
work camp in Czechoslovakia. She mentions the names of numerous persons
in her testimony. Below is the web address of this document on my
Zabludow Memorial Website.

http://www.zabludow.com/ModzelewskaOrdeal.html

Tilford Bartman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re:Bialystok Holocaust Testimony #general

Tilford Bartman <bartmant@...>
 

Hello,

I recently was able to get a Polish document dated December 6, 1945
translated to English. This document is the testimony regarding the
experiences during the holocaust of a women named Jozefina Szaper
Modzelewska. The testimony was taken in Bialystok Poland. Her husband
was a teacher at the famous Bialystok Hebrew Gymnasium. He did not
survive. She was in the Bialystok Ghetto, Majdanek, Auschwitz, and a
work camp in Czechoslovakia. She mentions the names of numerous persons
in her testimony. Below is the web address of this document on my
Zabludow Memorial Website.

http://www.zabludow.com/ModzelewskaOrdeal.html

Tilford Bartman


KURLAND #courland #latvia

Martha Lev-Zion <martha@...>
 

I must have been tired when I explained to a friend of mine in Denver, CO
about our Kurlander Verein cemetery project. She just sent me by email the
following information on the family KURLAND. Does this family belong to
anyone? Can we put them into our database?

1. At Mt. Nebo Cemetery
(a) Deborah Kurland died 6-23-90
(b) Eugene Kurland died 4-6-95
(c) Maurice Kurland died 8-10-70
(d) Rose Kurland died 11-27-80
2. At Golden Hill Cemetery
(a) Helen Frank Kurland died 10-95 at the age of 88
3. At Rose Hill Cemetery
(a) Issac Kurland died 1906 at the age of 36
(b) Nathan Kurland died 1974 at the age of 77

Martha


Courland SIG #Courland #Latvia KURLAND #courland #latvia

Martha Lev-Zion <martha@...>
 

I must have been tired when I explained to a friend of mine in Denver, CO
about our Kurlander Verein cemetery project. She just sent me by email the
following information on the family KURLAND. Does this family belong to
anyone? Can we put them into our database?

1. At Mt. Nebo Cemetery
(a) Deborah Kurland died 6-23-90
(b) Eugene Kurland died 4-6-95
(c) Maurice Kurland died 8-10-70
(d) Rose Kurland died 11-27-80
2. At Golden Hill Cemetery
(a) Helen Frank Kurland died 10-95 at the age of 88
3. At Rose Hill Cemetery
(a) Issac Kurland died 1906 at the age of 36
(b) Nathan Kurland died 1974 at the age of 77

Martha


JFRA Tel Aviv meeting Jan. 30, 2001 #general

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

To all Genners:

All Genners are cordially invited to our next ENGLISH
lecture in Tel Aviv.
For more information, please contact either Aviva
Neeman, aneeman@netvision.net.il, 03-699-2813, or
myself.
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
dardasht@barak-online.net

DATE: Tuesday, Jan. 30, 2001
TIME: 6:45 pm, forum; 7:30 pm ENGLISH lecture
PLACE: Matnas Neve Eliezer,
6 Sheshet HaYamim St. Tel Aviv
(Parking is easy)
SPEAKER: Dr. Karl Skorecki
Rambam Hospital, Haifa; and
Canadian Center for Molecular Biology, Technion
TOPIC: Genetic Archeology of Jewish Communities

The human genealogical project has shown quite clearly
that, on average, any two humans on the face of the
Earth differ by less than only 0.1% at the level of
their human genome sequence. Yet it is this tiny
difference which makes the genetic contribution to the
wonderful diversity of humanity.

While archeology uncovers aspects of human history,
analyzing relics left behind, genetic archeology digs
into the diversity of contemporary human genome to
unravel mysteries about past history.

Dr. Skorecki and his colleagues have applied analysis
of DNA markers to unravel geographic origins and historical
relationships among communities in the Jewish Diaspora.

He will provide a brief overview of the scientific
approach, a summary of some of the findings, as well as
their potential social and ethical implications.

Head of the department of nephrology at Rambam Medical
Center, Haifa; Dr. Skorecki also heads the Canadian
Center for Molecular Medicine Research, Technion, also
in Haifa.

He studied at the University of Toronto and Harvard
University, and served on the faculties of both Harvard
and UT. He has authored more than 100 articles, many
international presentations and has a distinguished
record of professional accomplishments.

He, wife Linda and their five children made aliyah in
August 1995 and live in the Haifa area.

-----------
Future JFRA meetings:
Sunday, Feb. 11 (ENGLISH)
Our special guest, Dr. Saul Issrof, JGSGB London UK,
will speak on
"London 2001 and area Jewish genealogical resources."


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JFRA Tel Aviv meeting Jan. 30, 2001 #general

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

To all Genners:

All Genners are cordially invited to our next ENGLISH
lecture in Tel Aviv.
For more information, please contact either Aviva
Neeman, aneeman@netvision.net.il, 03-699-2813, or
myself.
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
dardasht@barak-online.net

DATE: Tuesday, Jan. 30, 2001
TIME: 6:45 pm, forum; 7:30 pm ENGLISH lecture
PLACE: Matnas Neve Eliezer,
6 Sheshet HaYamim St. Tel Aviv
(Parking is easy)
SPEAKER: Dr. Karl Skorecki
Rambam Hospital, Haifa; and
Canadian Center for Molecular Biology, Technion
TOPIC: Genetic Archeology of Jewish Communities

The human genealogical project has shown quite clearly
that, on average, any two humans on the face of the
Earth differ by less than only 0.1% at the level of
their human genome sequence. Yet it is this tiny
difference which makes the genetic contribution to the
wonderful diversity of humanity.

While archeology uncovers aspects of human history,
analyzing relics left behind, genetic archeology digs
into the diversity of contemporary human genome to
unravel mysteries about past history.

Dr. Skorecki and his colleagues have applied analysis
of DNA markers to unravel geographic origins and historical
relationships among communities in the Jewish Diaspora.

He will provide a brief overview of the scientific
approach, a summary of some of the findings, as well as
their potential social and ethical implications.

Head of the department of nephrology at Rambam Medical
Center, Haifa; Dr. Skorecki also heads the Canadian
Center for Molecular Medicine Research, Technion, also
in Haifa.

He studied at the University of Toronto and Harvard
University, and served on the faculties of both Harvard
and UT. He has authored more than 100 articles, many
international presentations and has a distinguished
record of professional accomplishments.

He, wife Linda and their five children made aliyah in
August 1995 and live in the Haifa area.

-----------
Future JFRA meetings:
Sunday, Feb. 11 (ENGLISH)
Our special guest, Dr. Saul Issrof, JGSGB London UK,
will speak on
"London 2001 and area Jewish genealogical resources."