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Choir member of Rosenblatt or Kusovitsky #general

,
 

Dear Genners,
My mother's uncle, Isadore (Israel) Cohen was the bass in the choir of one
of these cantors. This would have been in the 1920s in Brownsville,
Brooklyn.
Does a listing exist of choir members? Israel's occupation was a wholesale
grocer. He did this as a "side line". TIA Carol Blumenthal-Cohen


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Choir member of Rosenblatt or Kusovitsky #general

,
 

Dear Genners,
My mother's uncle, Isadore (Israel) Cohen was the bass in the choir of one
of these cantors. This would have been in the 1920s in Brownsville,
Brooklyn.
Does a listing exist of choir members? Israel's occupation was a wholesale
grocer. He did this as a "side line". TIA Carol Blumenthal-Cohen


Yahoodi revisited #general

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Actually the link to famous people is
http://www.yahoodi.com/famous/start.html
And yes, there is a huge number of names there. You may found one of
your ancestors... if he/she was famous :-)
Tom

PS: Allow me a digression which is pertinent to the above.

JGenners offer a wealth of information in form of web links. The
problem is that many times the information is worthless or the
particular page is hard to find because the informer gave an
incomplete URL reference.

E.g.#1: The link above is the page you want to see. Mentioning
http://www.yahoodi.com/ will only confuse the interested researcher.
Which link should he/she click on to find the page related to famous
Jews?

E.g.#2: ViewMate is one of the most useful services JewishGen has
created for us. I'm sure many of you have already profited >from
publishing something on it and requesting members to identify or
translate a document. But wouldn't it be nice (and time saving) if
the interested person would publish the *full URL* of the page where
that document is stored (such as
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview10.html#vm100) instead of
simply asking us to visit VM100 at ViewMate?

So here goes a request to all: please inform the full URL address of
the PAGE you are pointing to, not a generic URL of a site or a vague
description where to look for. Not only this is a time saver as well
as (with most email programs) one can click on the mentioned
hyperlink and go directly to the page in question.

Thanks and Shalom to all

Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Yahoodi revisited #general

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Actually the link to famous people is
http://www.yahoodi.com/famous/start.html
And yes, there is a huge number of names there. You may found one of
your ancestors... if he/she was famous :-)
Tom

PS: Allow me a digression which is pertinent to the above.

JGenners offer a wealth of information in form of web links. The
problem is that many times the information is worthless or the
particular page is hard to find because the informer gave an
incomplete URL reference.

E.g.#1: The link above is the page you want to see. Mentioning
http://www.yahoodi.com/ will only confuse the interested researcher.
Which link should he/she click on to find the page related to famous
Jews?

E.g.#2: ViewMate is one of the most useful services JewishGen has
created for us. I'm sure many of you have already profited >from
publishing something on it and requesting members to identify or
translate a document. But wouldn't it be nice (and time saving) if
the interested person would publish the *full URL* of the page where
that document is stored (such as
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview10.html#vm100) instead of
simply asking us to visit VM100 at ViewMate?

So here goes a request to all: please inform the full URL address of
the PAGE you are pointing to, not a generic URL of a site or a vague
description where to look for. Not only this is a time saver as well
as (with most email programs) one can click on the mentioned
hyperlink and go directly to the page in question.

Thanks and Shalom to all

Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


Direct and Indirect Descendants #general

Leslie Reich <countrywide@...>
 

From: Leslie Reich
Date: 25 Jan 2001
Subject: Direct and Indirect Descendants

I keep seeing references to "Direct Descendants".

Can somebody inform me - and perhaps also others - what an "Indirect
Descendant is?

Leslie Reich, Salford, England


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Direct and Indirect Descendants #general

Leslie Reich <countrywide@...>
 

From: Leslie Reich
Date: 25 Jan 2001
Subject: Direct and Indirect Descendants

I keep seeing references to "Direct Descendants".

Can somebody inform me - and perhaps also others - what an "Indirect
Descendant is?

Leslie Reich, Salford, England


: Hebrew abbreviations Peh-vav-Heh and Kaf-mem-resh #general

Udi Cain
 

Does anyone know the meaning of the abbreviation Peh-vav-Heh,after aname.
The Peh, I am sure stands for Parnas (communal president), the vav means
"and" but I'm not sure about the heh. I know a similar title is
Peh-vav-Mem and stands for Parnas uManhig, president and leader. The
abbreviations are found on Germantombstones and documents of the18th-19th
centuries.
Another common abbreviation of that time is Kaf-mem-resh,before a name.I
am not sure whether it stands for Kavod Moreynu Reb("our honored teacher,
Reb") or Kavod Mar ("hnored sir" where the Aramaic "Mar," by coincidence,
means Mr.)

Thank you

Michael Bernet, New York
Dear Michael.

Since you are right with regard to Parnas U'Manhig, and I take it that you
found the P V H in few places, than it can't be a mistaken M.
My suggestion is He and Het looks very much alike, so maybe: Parnas Ve
Hosse (Community leader and protector).

Best regards, Udi Cain. Jerusalem.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen : Hebrew abbreviations Peh-vav-Heh and Kaf-mem-resh #general

Udi Cain
 

Does anyone know the meaning of the abbreviation Peh-vav-Heh,after aname.
The Peh, I am sure stands for Parnas (communal president), the vav means
"and" but I'm not sure about the heh. I know a similar title is
Peh-vav-Mem and stands for Parnas uManhig, president and leader. The
abbreviations are found on Germantombstones and documents of the18th-19th
centuries.
Another common abbreviation of that time is Kaf-mem-resh,before a name.I
am not sure whether it stands for Kavod Moreynu Reb("our honored teacher,
Reb") or Kavod Mar ("hnored sir" where the Aramaic "Mar," by coincidence,
means Mr.)

Thank you

Michael Bernet, New York
Dear Michael.

Since you are right with regard to Parnas U'Manhig, and I take it that you
found the P V H in few places, than it can't be a mistaken M.
My suggestion is He and Het looks very much alike, so maybe: Parnas Ve
Hosse (Community leader and protector).

Best regards, Udi Cain. Jerusalem.


Re: First Names from Czechoslovakia #general

hennynow
 

Rinnah,

I would guess that "Jutte" corresponds to Jette or Jetty. Jetty is
sometimes the nickname for Henriette.

As to "Kunegunda," I could not help a smile, as the French equivalent
"Cunegonde" is an extremely old-fashioned name, probably of Germanic
derivation. However, it may have been considered romantic or elegant in
19th century Bohemia.

Cordially,

Henny


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: First Names from Czechoslovakia #general

hennynow
 

Rinnah,

I would guess that "Jutte" corresponds to Jette or Jetty. Jetty is
sometimes the nickname for Henriette.

As to "Kunegunda," I could not help a smile, as the French equivalent
"Cunegonde" is an extremely old-fashioned name, probably of Germanic
derivation. However, it may have been considered romantic or elegant in
19th century Bohemia.

Cordially,

Henny


Camp Sidney (Sydney?) Cohen #general

Rochelle Nameroff
 

Any alumni out there >from Camp Sidney Cohen, a Red Feather (I think) camp on
Lake Nemahbin, near Oconomowoc, Wisconsin? I used to go there every summer
when I was a kid; my big brother Larry went there years before I did. I
remember singing "By the shores of Lake Nehmabin/ [something] in the
breeze,/ Flies the flag of Sidney Cohen/ High above the trees." Something
like that. I might have the second and fourth misremembered lines switched.
I always thought it was weird that we saw ourselves as Indian tribes, and
who in the world was Sidney Cohen? Certainly not one of the many Wisconsin
Indian tribes or chieftains. But I remember loving that place, and learning
how to swim, going >from being a Minnow to Perch to Pickeral (sp?) to Shark
and maybe even to Whale--more Jewish indian tribal customs.

Rochelle Nameroff
Albany CA (SF Bay Area)
rnameroff@earthlink.net

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Camp Sidney (Sydney?) Cohen #general

Rochelle Nameroff
 

Any alumni out there >from Camp Sidney Cohen, a Red Feather (I think) camp on
Lake Nemahbin, near Oconomowoc, Wisconsin? I used to go there every summer
when I was a kid; my big brother Larry went there years before I did. I
remember singing "By the shores of Lake Nehmabin/ [something] in the
breeze,/ Flies the flag of Sidney Cohen/ High above the trees." Something
like that. I might have the second and fourth misremembered lines switched.
I always thought it was weird that we saw ourselves as Indian tribes, and
who in the world was Sidney Cohen? Certainly not one of the many Wisconsin
Indian tribes or chieftains. But I remember loving that place, and learning
how to swim, going >from being a Minnow to Perch to Pickeral (sp?) to Shark
and maybe even to Whale--more Jewish indian tribal customs.

Rochelle Nameroff
Albany CA (SF Bay Area)
rnameroff@earthlink.net

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately.


AOL ver. 6 users -- please note #galicia

Beverly <bev7@...>
 

Forward >from Carol Skydell of JewishGen:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Subject: For those of you who have AOL ver. 6
From: "Carol Skydell" <cskydell@jewishgen.org>
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 22:45:27 -0800
X-Message-Number: 1

AOL 6.0 does not support the plain text format required in posts to any
of the SIG or Research Group mailing lists hosted by JewishGen, For those
who have already downloaded ver 6 and ignored warnings to keep an older
version still installed, there is a workaround available.

1. Logon to AOL and go to either of the following sites to download a
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Install the new browser and create a shortcut to it to place on your desktop.

2. Sign on to AOL and launch whichever new Web browser you have
installed. Go to the AOL website by typing www.aol.com into the URL
field.

3. Sign in with your AOL screen name and password. Click on Mail. You
will then be able to submit messages using AOL's "AOL Anywhere" service,
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If you have any questions about this method of reaching us or any
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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia AOL ver. 6 users -- please note #galicia

Beverly <bev7@...>
 

Forward >from Carol Skydell of JewishGen:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Subject: For those of you who have AOL ver. 6
From: "Carol Skydell" <cskydell@jewishgen.org>
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 22:45:27 -0800
X-Message-Number: 1

AOL 6.0 does not support the plain text format required in posts to any
of the SIG or Research Group mailing lists hosted by JewishGen, For those
who have already downloaded ver 6 and ignored warnings to keep an older
version still installed, there is a workaround available.

1. Logon to AOL and go to either of the following sites to download a
full service browser --
Netscape: <http://home.netscape.com/browsers/index.html>
Microsoft: <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/search.asp?]>
Install the new browser and create a shortcut to it to place on your desktop.

2. Sign on to AOL and launch whichever new Web browser you have
installed. Go to the AOL website by typing www.aol.com into the URL
field.

3. Sign in with your AOL screen name and password. Click on Mail. You
will then be able to submit messages using AOL's "AOL Anywhere" service,
which still uses the plain text format.

If you have any questions about this method of reaching us or any
questions related to AOL, please direct them to AOL's technical support
staff. JewishGen does not have the staff to address technical issues
regarding AOL.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Gesher Galica Membership #galicia

Debbie Raff <seraff@...>
 

I just received my yearly membership form for Gesher Galicia. I remember
from our recent group discussion of the pros/cons of a printed vs. online
newsletter, that several people mentioned they have never seen the
newsletter.

I thought that this may be an opportune time for some on this discussion
group to check out the 2001 'Gesher Galicia Family Finder' and 'Galitzianer'
Newsletter. Membership is only $20 a year w/in the U.S./Canada and $27
outside the U.S./Canada.
Personally, I always enjoy receiving this material, and thought non-members
on the list may want to get the full Galician experience. (grin)
Debbie Raff;-)
California


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Gesher Galica Membership #galicia

Debbie Raff <seraff@...>
 

I just received my yearly membership form for Gesher Galicia. I remember
from our recent group discussion of the pros/cons of a printed vs. online
newsletter, that several people mentioned they have never seen the
newsletter.

I thought that this may be an opportune time for some on this discussion
group to check out the 2001 'Gesher Galicia Family Finder' and 'Galitzianer'
Newsletter. Membership is only $20 a year w/in the U.S./Canada and $27
outside the U.S./Canada.
Personally, I always enjoy receiving this material, and thought non-members
on the list may want to get the full Galician experience. (grin)
Debbie Raff;-)
California


Re: S.S. Koeln 1899 #general

barrychernick@...
 

Dan wrote,
"I'm trying to find an ancestor who supposedly sailed >from Bremen to
Baltimore on the Koeln on July 2, 1899. When looking at the passenger
lists for this time period, I did not see any listing for the Koeln.
Is there a way to find out when and where this ship sailed around this
time? (The Morton Allen directory doesn't list the Koeln until 1901)."

The NARA (National Archives) has an index of Baltimore arrivals, if my
memory serves me, cover the dates you are interested in. If you can find
your relative in the index you can request a copy of the passenger list
from the NARA.
Are you sure that your relative arrived in 1899? I seem to have spent
years chasing arrivals that were one or more years in error. My ancestors
had the ships correct but not the year.
Barry Chernick
CHERNICK, CHERNIK, CZERNIK - StaroKonstantinov, Krasilov, Volocisk
MITTLEMAN - Tchan (Tiofipol), Satanov
SCHULMAN, SHULMAN - Dolhinov, Minsk, Bialystok
KARP, CARPE ? Minsk, Bialystok

MODERATOR NOTE: Yes, there are indexes to the Baltimore arrivals.
See http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/PassLists/Baltimore.html


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: S.S. Koeln 1899 #general

barrychernick@...
 

Dan wrote,
"I'm trying to find an ancestor who supposedly sailed >from Bremen to
Baltimore on the Koeln on July 2, 1899. When looking at the passenger
lists for this time period, I did not see any listing for the Koeln.
Is there a way to find out when and where this ship sailed around this
time? (The Morton Allen directory doesn't list the Koeln until 1901)."

The NARA (National Archives) has an index of Baltimore arrivals, if my
memory serves me, cover the dates you are interested in. If you can find
your relative in the index you can request a copy of the passenger list
from the NARA.
Are you sure that your relative arrived in 1899? I seem to have spent
years chasing arrivals that were one or more years in error. My ancestors
had the ships correct but not the year.
Barry Chernick
CHERNICK, CHERNIK, CZERNIK - StaroKonstantinov, Krasilov, Volocisk
MITTLEMAN - Tchan (Tiofipol), Satanov
SCHULMAN, SHULMAN - Dolhinov, Minsk, Bialystok
KARP, CARPE ? Minsk, Bialystok

MODERATOR NOTE: Yes, there are indexes to the Baltimore arrivals.
See http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/PassLists/Baltimore.html


The town of "Shalat" Austria #general

Pamela Weisberger <thewks@...>
 

Dear Genners:

I just received the 1919 NYC marriage certificate of my grandparents in
which my grandfather, Samuel Greenhaut, lists his town/country of birth as:
"Shalat, Austria."

On the shtetlfiner there is only one similar listing--that of "Shlatt,
Austria" and many other towns with similar Soundex matches for many other
countries. Yet, since he always identified himself as Austrian, and, as
family lore has it, he spent some time in Vienna, living with relatives and
working as a lamplighter, before emigrating to the states as a teenager in
the early 1900s, it would seem that his town, indeed, was in Austria.
Although the marriage certificate was filled in by him (in his own
handwriting), it is possible he misspelled the town's name. Does anyone
have any information on this town (either spelling) and it's Jewish history?
The only story we have is that his family owned a "ranch" which was
burned to the ground by (I assume) unfriendly forces of the time.

Many thanks!

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica, CA

thewks@hotmail.com

Researching: WEISS/SINGER/WEISBERGER/EISNER-Csap/Cop/Hungary (Ukraine)
BRAUN/GROSS-Karasz,Gyulahaz,Tiszaszalka, Hungary
GINSBERG/GREENHAUT-Austria
OBERMAN/BESSER-Czestochowa,Warsaw/Poland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen The town of "Shalat" Austria #general

Pamela Weisberger <thewks@...>
 

Dear Genners:

I just received the 1919 NYC marriage certificate of my grandparents in
which my grandfather, Samuel Greenhaut, lists his town/country of birth as:
"Shalat, Austria."

On the shtetlfiner there is only one similar listing--that of "Shlatt,
Austria" and many other towns with similar Soundex matches for many other
countries. Yet, since he always identified himself as Austrian, and, as
family lore has it, he spent some time in Vienna, living with relatives and
working as a lamplighter, before emigrating to the states as a teenager in
the early 1900s, it would seem that his town, indeed, was in Austria.
Although the marriage certificate was filled in by him (in his own
handwriting), it is possible he misspelled the town's name. Does anyone
have any information on this town (either spelling) and it's Jewish history?
The only story we have is that his family owned a "ranch" which was
burned to the ground by (I assume) unfriendly forces of the time.

Many thanks!

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica, CA

thewks@hotmail.com

Researching: WEISS/SINGER/WEISBERGER/EISNER-Csap/Cop/Hungary (Ukraine)
BRAUN/GROSS-Karasz,Gyulahaz,Tiszaszalka, Hungary
GINSBERG/GREENHAUT-Austria
OBERMAN/BESSER-Czestochowa,Warsaw/Poland