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Re: Kievskie Gubernskie Vedomosti Project #ukraine

HBArkoff@...
 

Are there only copies in New York? Or are there also copies in Los Angeles?
$11,000 is a lot of money, but maybe there are some reels more important than
others. I can contribute $100 if that is meaningful. My ancestors were
mostly in Mogilev and Odessa, but one never knows. I took a stab at the
Odessa archives without anything to go on and found two of my dad's brothers
had moved there and had children born there and I MAY have real live living
cousins there now.
Why not also in Kiev?
Harold Arkoff HBArkoff@aol.com Calabasas,
California
researching KHARKOVSKY IN MOGILEV AND ODESSA, LURIE AND GREENSPOHN,
KURSHAN, MAZEIKIAI AND LAIZUVA, LITHUANIA AND LIBAU AND COURLAND, LATVIA.

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Since Harvard also has copies, they probably exist elsewhere as well. It will be checked out.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: Kievskie Gubernskie Vedomosti Project #ukraine

HBArkoff@...
 

Are there only copies in New York? Or are there also copies in Los Angeles?
$11,000 is a lot of money, but maybe there are some reels more important than
others. I can contribute $100 if that is meaningful. My ancestors were
mostly in Mogilev and Odessa, but one never knows. I took a stab at the
Odessa archives without anything to go on and found two of my dad's brothers
had moved there and had children born there and I MAY have real live living
cousins there now.
Why not also in Kiev?
Harold Arkoff HBArkoff@aol.com Calabasas,
California
researching KHARKOVSKY IN MOGILEV AND ODESSA, LURIE AND GREENSPOHN,
KURSHAN, MAZEIKIAI AND LAIZUVA, LITHUANIA AND LIBAU AND COURLAND, LATVIA.

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Since Harvard also has copies, they probably exist elsewhere as well. It will be checked out.


Re: Hesel, Gesel and Iosel #lithuania

R. B. Spinak, M.D. <rspinak@...>
 

Bill Saxton wrote:
"...information >from the Lithuanian archives which identifies the given names of two of my ancestors as 'Iosel' where I have absolutely confirmed that their names were 'Hesel' - 'Gesel' in Russian. What is it about the original writing and/or translation of this name that causes this situation to occur so often?"

I have encountered a similar phenomenon, where the cursive Cyrillic letters in a handwritten document have been mistaken due to the lack of clarity in the handwriting. The cursive Cyrillic upper case "G" (or "gey") can look very similar to a "J" and a hastily-written lower case cursive "e" could be confused with "o". Thus, "Gesel" may have been read as "Josel" - Josel would be pronounced as "Yosel" which could then be transliterated as Iosel.

Lachaim,
Barry Spinak
Salisbury, MD, USA
Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater Washington
http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/s/p/i/Richard-B-Spinak/

Searching ... in Kovno Guberniya shtetls of Kraziai, Luoke, Plunge,
Tryskiai, Uzventis: FAYVUSH, FINKELSTEIN, GELIK, GELIL, GELIN, GERSH,
GIBER, HEILIG, HEILLIG, IOZEF, KALMAN, KAPLAN, KIL, MARKUS, NOKHUM,
RABINOWITZ, RAVID, RUBIN, SHAPIR, SHER, YAKUB, ZAMULIAN, ZIV
... >from Pogrebishche in Kiev Guberniya: KOTOVSKY
... >from Austria-Hungary: ROSENBERG
... >from Bohemia: GREEN, GRUEN, KLEINMAN, LEDERER, STEINER
... >from Warsawa: GOLDBERG, GOLDBRANDT, KATCHER, ROSENSWEIG, SPINAK
... and any Jewish families that ever lived in Pocomoke City, MD


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania RE: Hesel, Gesel and Iosel #lithuania

R. B. Spinak, M.D. <rspinak@...>
 

Bill Saxton wrote:
"...information >from the Lithuanian archives which identifies the given names of two of my ancestors as 'Iosel' where I have absolutely confirmed that their names were 'Hesel' - 'Gesel' in Russian. What is it about the original writing and/or translation of this name that causes this situation to occur so often?"

I have encountered a similar phenomenon, where the cursive Cyrillic letters in a handwritten document have been mistaken due to the lack of clarity in the handwriting. The cursive Cyrillic upper case "G" (or "gey") can look very similar to a "J" and a hastily-written lower case cursive "e" could be confused with "o". Thus, "Gesel" may have been read as "Josel" - Josel would be pronounced as "Yosel" which could then be transliterated as Iosel.

Lachaim,
Barry Spinak
Salisbury, MD, USA
Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater Washington
http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/s/p/i/Richard-B-Spinak/

Searching ... in Kovno Guberniya shtetls of Kraziai, Luoke, Plunge,
Tryskiai, Uzventis: FAYVUSH, FINKELSTEIN, GELIK, GELIL, GELIN, GERSH,
GIBER, HEILIG, HEILLIG, IOZEF, KALMAN, KAPLAN, KIL, MARKUS, NOKHUM,
RABINOWITZ, RAVID, RUBIN, SHAPIR, SHER, YAKUB, ZAMULIAN, ZIV
... >from Pogrebishche in Kiev Guberniya: KOTOVSKY
... >from Austria-Hungary: ROSENBERG
... >from Bohemia: GREEN, GRUEN, KLEINMAN, LEDERER, STEINER
... >from Warsawa: GOLDBERG, GOLDBRANDT, KATCHER, ROSENSWEIG, SPINAK
... and any Jewish families that ever lived in Pocomoke City, MD


Re: Search For Poland Warsaw Surname #poland

David Cooper <dcooper@...>
 

Have you tried searching (having a search done) on the Yad Vashem's Hall of
Names ? If your ancestor's family is >from Warsaw, there is a good chance
they or some member of their families died in the Holocaust. Check
http://www.yad-vashem.org.il/ for details.

...david

+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
ô¿ô Genealogy Utilities & Family Research
Researching: ALLEN,BERZONER,COHEN,COOPER,KUPFERZMIDT,
POSNER (POIZNER), PRITIKIN, STARKMAN
Dachau Camp Entry List, Genealogy Utilities
http://pages.prodigy.net/dcooper000/index.htm

-----Original Message-----
From: NZF860@aol.com [mailto:NZF860@aol.com]

Subject: [jri-pl] Search For Poland Warsaw Surname

I am trying to research my family tree. I have found that the
family name FERSZTAND is very uncommon. I managed to find the birth
record of an ancestor named Abram-Reuben Fersztand on the JRI-Poland
database search. I know the family lived in Warsaw. Beyond this I
haven't been able to find any other information. I request that
any one who has any information concerning this surname, to
please E-mail me. Thank you very much for your help.

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please sign messages with your full name.


JRI Poland #Poland RE: Search For Poland Warsaw Surname #poland

David Cooper <dcooper@...>
 

Have you tried searching (having a search done) on the Yad Vashem's Hall of
Names ? If your ancestor's family is >from Warsaw, there is a good chance
they or some member of their families died in the Holocaust. Check
http://www.yad-vashem.org.il/ for details.

...david

+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
ô¿ô Genealogy Utilities & Family Research
Researching: ALLEN,BERZONER,COHEN,COOPER,KUPFERZMIDT,
POSNER (POIZNER), PRITIKIN, STARKMAN
Dachau Camp Entry List, Genealogy Utilities
http://pages.prodigy.net/dcooper000/index.htm

-----Original Message-----
From: NZF860@aol.com [mailto:NZF860@aol.com]

Subject: [jri-pl] Search For Poland Warsaw Surname

I am trying to research my family tree. I have found that the
family name FERSZTAND is very uncommon. I managed to find the birth
record of an ancestor named Abram-Reuben Fersztand on the JRI-Poland
database search. I know the family lived in Warsaw. Beyond this I
haven't been able to find any other information. I request that
any one who has any information concerning this surname, to
please E-mail me. Thank you very much for your help.

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please sign messages with your full name.


Re: Sophie (fwd) #poland

Ernest G Holzmann <eholzman@...>
 

I am forwarding the following query. Please respond to her directly.

Ernest Holzmann

Would anybody know what the Yiddish or Jewish original name for Sophie be?

Dianne Raben
ddrr@flash.net >


JRI Poland #Poland Re: Sophie (fwd) #poland

Ernest G Holzmann <eholzman@...>
 

I am forwarding the following query. Please respond to her directly.

Ernest Holzmann

Would anybody know what the Yiddish or Jewish original name for Sophie be?

Dianne Raben
ddrr@flash.net >


Re: Italy in Austro-Hungarian empire #general

Herb <herbiem@...>
 

I think that you will find such a map in a large world atlas,
especially one that includes a historical perspective. You will then be
able to see the changes in boundaries through the past few centuries.
For a 1910 online map check:
http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/1910ind.htm

Herb Meyers
Boulder, Colorado

Denise Azbill wrote in message

I have a relative who lived in Orsano, which used to be part of the
Austro-Hungarian empire and is now in northern Italy. What I would really
like to find is a map of the entire empire, not broken up into countries.
I've looked through a lot of search engines and can't find one. Have
any of you found one on-line?


Polish or Yiddish variants of the name Willie #general

Naidia Woolf <rnwoolf@...>
 

A cousin of my late father was known by the name of Willie KYJAWSKI.
Because my paternal grandfather came >from Lodz, Poland II've always
assumed that Willie also came >from Lodz, however, I may be wrong. To
me, "Willie" sounds more German than Polish. (Certainly not Yiddish!)
It's possible, of course, that a branch of the Kyjawski family lived in
Germany, but this is mere conjecture.)

So far I've been unable to trace Willie or any of his descendants. My late
uncle in England once wrote that Willie and his wife Regina (another
German- or English-sounding name) visited my family (their English
relatives) prior to the 2nd world war. They were either en route for the
U.S. or Canada.

Could the name Willie be a variant (English or German) of "Zelik?"
JRI-Poland's online database for the Lodz Province shows several entries
for a Zelik KUJAWSKI (variant KUIAWSKI). I realize of course (before anyone
hastens to chastise me!) that immigrants were free to adopt any name they
wished after arriving in a host country; that their name choice coul be
completely arbitrary and bear no resemblance to their name at birth. (My
grandfather is a case in point.)

Any advice or suggestions will be welcome. Please respond privately unless
you think your comments might be of general interest.

Naidia Woolf
San Francisco, Ca
rnwoolf@earthlink.net


History of Jews in Houston & Texas Exhibit #general

Lynna Kay Shuffield <friday@...>
 

I am a volunteer at the Texas & Local History
Collection (known as the Texas Room) and I
have been asked by Will Howard to put together
an exhibit on the "History of Jews in Houston
& Texas" for the Julia Ideson Bldg. (1st &
2nd floors) ...

We will be having an organizational meeting
for this project on Saturday, Jan. 13th at 10am
at the Texas Room ...

I regret that this meeting is taking place on
Saturday but the Texas Room is only open Monday
through Saturday, 9am to 6pm ... since many of
us work full-time, Saturday is the only day
we can meet to view the exhibit area ... other
meetings will take place on Sunday but the
first meeting needs to be at the facility for
the exhibit so that people get an idea of what
needs to be done and the material to be used
...

If you are interested in this project, please
let me know as I would love to include information
on your organization in the exhibit ...

Thanks ... Lynna Kay Shuffield

Lynna Kay Shuffield
Houston, Texas
e-mail: friday@argohouston.com

My webpages:
"Our Loose Ends" Genealogy Column by Lynna Kay Shuffield
http://www.geocities.com/lks_friday/COLUMN-001.htm
"My Loose Ends" Family Tree Database by Lynna Kay Shuffield
http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=friday


Sam KIND and Co #general

ELandL <e-berkowitz@...>
 

I am researching the KIND family >from Philadelphia and New Jersey
(Princeton, I think). Sam Kind had a Jewelery and watch store and had
a name of either Sam Kind and Company or Kind, Abt, and Co.

Sam KIND was one of four children of Philip KIND and Theresa Hartman.
Other children were Sophie and Wilhemina.

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Linda Berkowitz

Also Researching: FANTL, FREUND, TAUSSIG, GOLDSTEIN >from Bohemia;
SIMON >from Schwindratzheim); SPIRA >from Ulanov; BERKOWITZ from
Smorgon


Re: Jewsearch.com website #general

Barry Finkel <b19141@...>
 

Can anyone shed anymore information on the jewsearch.com website
mentioned? Who's sponsoring it? What kind of credibility?
To find out who owns this domain, go to this URL

http://www.geektools.com/cgi-bin/proxy.cgi

and enter the domain jewsearch.com

You will find the name, postal address, and e-mail address of the
owner of the domain. You can then direct your question(s) to that
person. The rules of JewishGen forbid me to post the name and
address, so you will have to do the "whois" search yourself.

Barry Finkel
Chicago, IL, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Italy in Austro-Hungarian empire #general

Herb <herbiem@...>
 

I think that you will find such a map in a large world atlas,
especially one that includes a historical perspective. You will then be
able to see the changes in boundaries through the past few centuries.
For a 1910 online map check:
http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/1910ind.htm

Herb Meyers
Boulder, Colorado

Denise Azbill wrote in message

I have a relative who lived in Orsano, which used to be part of the
Austro-Hungarian empire and is now in northern Italy. What I would really
like to find is a map of the entire empire, not broken up into countries.
I've looked through a lot of search engines and can't find one. Have
any of you found one on-line?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Polish or Yiddish variants of the name Willie #general

Naidia Woolf <rnwoolf@...>
 

A cousin of my late father was known by the name of Willie KYJAWSKI.
Because my paternal grandfather came >from Lodz, Poland II've always
assumed that Willie also came >from Lodz, however, I may be wrong. To
me, "Willie" sounds more German than Polish. (Certainly not Yiddish!)
It's possible, of course, that a branch of the Kyjawski family lived in
Germany, but this is mere conjecture.)

So far I've been unable to trace Willie or any of his descendants. My late
uncle in England once wrote that Willie and his wife Regina (another
German- or English-sounding name) visited my family (their English
relatives) prior to the 2nd world war. They were either en route for the
U.S. or Canada.

Could the name Willie be a variant (English or German) of "Zelik?"
JRI-Poland's online database for the Lodz Province shows several entries
for a Zelik KUJAWSKI (variant KUIAWSKI). I realize of course (before anyone
hastens to chastise me!) that immigrants were free to adopt any name they
wished after arriving in a host country; that their name choice coul be
completely arbitrary and bear no resemblance to their name at birth. (My
grandfather is a case in point.)

Any advice or suggestions will be welcome. Please respond privately unless
you think your comments might be of general interest.

Naidia Woolf
San Francisco, Ca
rnwoolf@earthlink.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen History of Jews in Houston & Texas Exhibit #general

Lynna Kay Shuffield <friday@...>
 

I am a volunteer at the Texas & Local History
Collection (known as the Texas Room) and I
have been asked by Will Howard to put together
an exhibit on the "History of Jews in Houston
& Texas" for the Julia Ideson Bldg. (1st &
2nd floors) ...

We will be having an organizational meeting
for this project on Saturday, Jan. 13th at 10am
at the Texas Room ...

I regret that this meeting is taking place on
Saturday but the Texas Room is only open Monday
through Saturday, 9am to 6pm ... since many of
us work full-time, Saturday is the only day
we can meet to view the exhibit area ... other
meetings will take place on Sunday but the
first meeting needs to be at the facility for
the exhibit so that people get an idea of what
needs to be done and the material to be used
...

If you are interested in this project, please
let me know as I would love to include information
on your organization in the exhibit ...

Thanks ... Lynna Kay Shuffield

Lynna Kay Shuffield
Houston, Texas
e-mail: friday@argohouston.com

My webpages:
"Our Loose Ends" Genealogy Column by Lynna Kay Shuffield
http://www.geocities.com/lks_friday/COLUMN-001.htm
"My Loose Ends" Family Tree Database by Lynna Kay Shuffield
http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=friday


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Sam KIND and Co #general

ELandL <e-berkowitz@...>
 

I am researching the KIND family >from Philadelphia and New Jersey
(Princeton, I think). Sam Kind had a Jewelery and watch store and had
a name of either Sam Kind and Company or Kind, Abt, and Co.

Sam KIND was one of four children of Philip KIND and Theresa Hartman.
Other children were Sophie and Wilhemina.

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Linda Berkowitz

Also Researching: FANTL, FREUND, TAUSSIG, GOLDSTEIN >from Bohemia;
SIMON >from Schwindratzheim); SPIRA >from Ulanov; BERKOWITZ from
Smorgon


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jewsearch.com website #general

Barry Finkel <b19141@...>
 

Can anyone shed anymore information on the jewsearch.com website
mentioned? Who's sponsoring it? What kind of credibility?
To find out who owns this domain, go to this URL

http://www.geektools.com/cgi-bin/proxy.cgi

and enter the domain jewsearch.com

You will find the name, postal address, and e-mail address of the
owner of the domain. You can then direct your question(s) to that
person. The rules of JewishGen forbid me to post the name and
address, so you will have to do the "whois" search yourself.

Barry Finkel
Chicago, IL, USA


Unsolicited Surname Information Requests #general

ctf-vif@...
 

Although I can sympathize somewhat with Ms. Greenblatt (my surname is
FRIEDMAN-how much more common can you get than that!), I thought the entire
purpose of genealogical research (especially on the internet) was to make
connections.

I think it's wonderful that she knows *exactly* where her ancestors were at
any given time in the past. I wish I knew half as much about my ancestors.
(They're >from "Russia" according to my parents).

For those of you who have been researching longer and who have more
information, please be patient with those of us who do not have your
experience or information. We want to learn >from you.

I have checked the listings on JewishGen Family Finder, etc. for my
surnames. Many of the postings are several years old and the e-mail
addresses bounce. Yes, I have also posted my own listings and I have not
received any responses >from them yet.

Since I know that I have relatives out there that my immediate family has
lost track of (some may be alive, some may have passed on), I make it a
point to try to contact anyone who has a similar surname in the hopes of
making a connection. I try to do this as politely as possible. I cannot
force people to respond. If you don't want to answer, don't answer, but I
don't see why I don't have the right to ask.

I should think that if I were truly annoyed by unsolicited requests about
my surname that I certainly would not join genealogical mailing lists!

I apologize if this sounds like an attack against Ms. Greenblatt. It is not
intended as such. It is actually an attack against intolerance. (If you
want to know what the results of an attitude of intolerance are, read the
history books.) Intolerance helps no one. Consider the other person's
circumstances. Do good to others. This is now, and always has been, the
Jewish way.

Vicki Ina Friedman
Acworth, GA, USA
ctf-vif@mindspring.com

From: Ada Greenblatt <ada.Greenblatt@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>
Inevitably whenever I post a message to this forum, often the only
response that greets it has nothing to do with the matter at hand, but
rather a question asking if I am related to or connected with this or that
GREENBLATT. The latest example was that my message about the upcoming
March 4, 2001 JGSNY "Beyond the Basics" Seminar was met with:

"Do you by any chance have ..."

Since I am getting at least a dozen of these type messages per year, it is
time to set the record straight about the surname GREENBLATT, which is
something I've wanted to do for some time now.
[snip]

The point I'm making is that one cannot assume that all GREENBLATT's are
related to each other. There are simply too many of them and they were too
widespread in area. In other words, a single-surname research group for
GREENBLATT would not be recommended, as appealing as the idea is.
[snip]

In the future, before one posts a message to a total stranger asking about
the surname GREENBLATT or any other common surname, it is important to
first check the surname in the JGFF and see if the intended recipient of
your message is listed. In a case like GREENBLATT, it is not enough for
just the surname to match -- both the country and the town of research
have to match as well. It's not a matter of either the country or the
town, but rather both. Otherwise it is an exercise in futility and
unproductivity, both on your part as well as on the part of the person who
has to take the time to negatively respond to your message. >>
[snip]


Re: Northern NJ Cemeteries -- Part II #general

Dolph Klein <kledolph@...>
 

I suggest you request a death certificate >from the Hoboken Division of
Health, Office of Vital Statistics. The name of the cemetery will be
included. You should also look up the Social Security Death Index on
http://www.ancestry.com/. You may find the name, date of death and SS#
which will help the Hoboken office locate and identify the death record you
want:

Hoboken Department of Human Services, Division of Health.
http://www.ci.hoboken.nj.us/health.htm

Office of Vital Statistics, 124 Grand Street, 201-420-2365 - Requests
processed via mail should include a self-addressed, stamped envelope.

Dolph Klein
Chapel Hill, NC

I am checking the listing for other local cemeteries, but anyone have any
ideas on what was the most likely cemetery for a Hoboken person who died
in about 1950?
Allan Jordan
aejordan@aol.com