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Inheritance Files in Kaunas Archives #lithuania

Knud and Lorraine Bertelsen <klb@...>
 

Further to David Hoffman's message dated 8th January 2001, in which he
referred to modern wills in the Kaunas Archives, he also said :

<<<Another exciting finding regarding these wills is that they include
many surnames that have not appeared on other documents which Vitalija has
researched in the Kaunas Regional Archives. This is because many lawyers,
doctors, wealthy merchants >from various towns, and even clerks and other
educated people who had been excluded >from the revision and family lists
because of their status...>>>

This is the first time I have heard about the possibility that the names of well-known or educated people (and their families?) might have not been recorded on revision or family lists because of their status.

Can anyone please comment further on this?

I am puzzled by the absence of the name in the Odessa records of one of my
late GF's sisters. She was an opera singer and perished in the Odessa
Ghetto, but although Galina was able to find many records relating to my
GF's family, she was unable to find any reference to his murdered sister,
who was born in ca. 1898 in Odessa. This is strange as Galina was able to
find my GGPs' 1894 marriage record, and the birth records of my GF (1894)
and his other 3 siblings in 1902, 1908 and 1912, plus some earlier records
from the mid-1870s, and my Mother's 1921 birth record.
Would this "removal" or "non-listing" of records relating to certain
people of "high" status have been generally practised, under the Tsars, and/or perhaps just under the Bolsheviks/Communists?

Lorraine Bertelsen
Boho Downunder


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Inheritance Files in Kaunas Archives #lithuania

Knud and Lorraine Bertelsen <klb@...>
 

Further to David Hoffman's message dated 8th January 2001, in which he
referred to modern wills in the Kaunas Archives, he also said :

<<<Another exciting finding regarding these wills is that they include
many surnames that have not appeared on other documents which Vitalija has
researched in the Kaunas Regional Archives. This is because many lawyers,
doctors, wealthy merchants >from various towns, and even clerks and other
educated people who had been excluded >from the revision and family lists
because of their status...>>>

This is the first time I have heard about the possibility that the names of well-known or educated people (and their families?) might have not been recorded on revision or family lists because of their status.

Can anyone please comment further on this?

I am puzzled by the absence of the name in the Odessa records of one of my
late GF's sisters. She was an opera singer and perished in the Odessa
Ghetto, but although Galina was able to find many records relating to my
GF's family, she was unable to find any reference to his murdered sister,
who was born in ca. 1898 in Odessa. This is strange as Galina was able to
find my GGPs' 1894 marriage record, and the birth records of my GF (1894)
and his other 3 siblings in 1902, 1908 and 1912, plus some earlier records
from the mid-1870s, and my Mother's 1921 birth record.
Would this "removal" or "non-listing" of records relating to certain
people of "high" status have been generally practised, under the Tsars, and/or perhaps just under the Bolsheviks/Communists?

Lorraine Bertelsen
Boho Downunder


ViewMate site #lithuania

HeshieT
 

Please take a look at (http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/) in the "To View" section - as file - VM280

Hopefully someone will recognize these people.

Sincerely,
Hesh
Harold W. Traub, JGSPBC
8936 Old Pine Road
Boca Raton, FL 33433-3151
Phone & Fax 561-487-6679
Email < HeshieT@aol.com >

Researching: TRAUB, KATZ, Utena, Vilkomir, Lith.; BAREL, MOSKOWITZ, Galicia.ZURLIN. MARGOLIS, Genitchesk, HEYMOWSKY, Melitopl, Ukraine.
STEINBERG, (STEINBRUCH), BOMBACH, GROSSBERG, Lviv & Zloczow, Galicia.
WITTMAN, Rozwadow, Galicia


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania ViewMate site #lithuania

HeshieT
 

Please take a look at (http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/) in the "To View" section - as file - VM280

Hopefully someone will recognize these people.

Sincerely,
Hesh
Harold W. Traub, JGSPBC
8936 Old Pine Road
Boca Raton, FL 33433-3151
Phone & Fax 561-487-6679
Email < HeshieT@aol.com >

Researching: TRAUB, KATZ, Utena, Vilkomir, Lith.; BAREL, MOSKOWITZ, Galicia.ZURLIN. MARGOLIS, Genitchesk, HEYMOWSKY, Melitopl, Ukraine.
STEINBERG, (STEINBRUCH), BOMBACH, GROSSBERG, Lviv & Zloczow, Galicia.
WITTMAN, Rozwadow, Galicia


Re: Kievskie Gubernskie Vedomosti Project #ukraine

HBArkoff@...
 

Are there only copies in New York? Or are there also copies in Los Angeles?
$11,000 is a lot of money, but maybe there are some reels more important than
others. I can contribute $100 if that is meaningful. My ancestors were
mostly in Mogilev and Odessa, but one never knows. I took a stab at the
Odessa archives without anything to go on and found two of my dad's brothers
had moved there and had children born there and I MAY have real live living
cousins there now.
Why not also in Kiev?
Harold Arkoff HBArkoff@aol.com Calabasas,
California
researching KHARKOVSKY IN MOGILEV AND ODESSA, LURIE AND GREENSPOHN,
KURSHAN, MAZEIKIAI AND LAIZUVA, LITHUANIA AND LIBAU AND COURLAND, LATVIA.

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Since Harvard also has copies, they probably exist elsewhere as well. It will be checked out.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: Kievskie Gubernskie Vedomosti Project #ukraine

HBArkoff@...
 

Are there only copies in New York? Or are there also copies in Los Angeles?
$11,000 is a lot of money, but maybe there are some reels more important than
others. I can contribute $100 if that is meaningful. My ancestors were
mostly in Mogilev and Odessa, but one never knows. I took a stab at the
Odessa archives without anything to go on and found two of my dad's brothers
had moved there and had children born there and I MAY have real live living
cousins there now.
Why not also in Kiev?
Harold Arkoff HBArkoff@aol.com Calabasas,
California
researching KHARKOVSKY IN MOGILEV AND ODESSA, LURIE AND GREENSPOHN,
KURSHAN, MAZEIKIAI AND LAIZUVA, LITHUANIA AND LIBAU AND COURLAND, LATVIA.

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Since Harvard also has copies, they probably exist elsewhere as well. It will be checked out.


Re: Hesel, Gesel and Iosel #lithuania

R. B. Spinak, M.D. <rspinak@...>
 

Bill Saxton wrote:
"...information >from the Lithuanian archives which identifies the given names of two of my ancestors as 'Iosel' where I have absolutely confirmed that their names were 'Hesel' - 'Gesel' in Russian. What is it about the original writing and/or translation of this name that causes this situation to occur so often?"

I have encountered a similar phenomenon, where the cursive Cyrillic letters in a handwritten document have been mistaken due to the lack of clarity in the handwriting. The cursive Cyrillic upper case "G" (or "gey") can look very similar to a "J" and a hastily-written lower case cursive "e" could be confused with "o". Thus, "Gesel" may have been read as "Josel" - Josel would be pronounced as "Yosel" which could then be transliterated as Iosel.

Lachaim,
Barry Spinak
Salisbury, MD, USA
Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater Washington
http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/s/p/i/Richard-B-Spinak/

Searching ... in Kovno Guberniya shtetls of Kraziai, Luoke, Plunge,
Tryskiai, Uzventis: FAYVUSH, FINKELSTEIN, GELIK, GELIL, GELIN, GERSH,
GIBER, HEILIG, HEILLIG, IOZEF, KALMAN, KAPLAN, KIL, MARKUS, NOKHUM,
RABINOWITZ, RAVID, RUBIN, SHAPIR, SHER, YAKUB, ZAMULIAN, ZIV
... >from Pogrebishche in Kiev Guberniya: KOTOVSKY
... >from Austria-Hungary: ROSENBERG
... >from Bohemia: GREEN, GRUEN, KLEINMAN, LEDERER, STEINER
... >from Warsawa: GOLDBERG, GOLDBRANDT, KATCHER, ROSENSWEIG, SPINAK
... and any Jewish families that ever lived in Pocomoke City, MD


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania RE: Hesel, Gesel and Iosel #lithuania

R. B. Spinak, M.D. <rspinak@...>
 

Bill Saxton wrote:
"...information >from the Lithuanian archives which identifies the given names of two of my ancestors as 'Iosel' where I have absolutely confirmed that their names were 'Hesel' - 'Gesel' in Russian. What is it about the original writing and/or translation of this name that causes this situation to occur so often?"

I have encountered a similar phenomenon, where the cursive Cyrillic letters in a handwritten document have been mistaken due to the lack of clarity in the handwriting. The cursive Cyrillic upper case "G" (or "gey") can look very similar to a "J" and a hastily-written lower case cursive "e" could be confused with "o". Thus, "Gesel" may have been read as "Josel" - Josel would be pronounced as "Yosel" which could then be transliterated as Iosel.

Lachaim,
Barry Spinak
Salisbury, MD, USA
Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater Washington
http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/s/p/i/Richard-B-Spinak/

Searching ... in Kovno Guberniya shtetls of Kraziai, Luoke, Plunge,
Tryskiai, Uzventis: FAYVUSH, FINKELSTEIN, GELIK, GELIL, GELIN, GERSH,
GIBER, HEILIG, HEILLIG, IOZEF, KALMAN, KAPLAN, KIL, MARKUS, NOKHUM,
RABINOWITZ, RAVID, RUBIN, SHAPIR, SHER, YAKUB, ZAMULIAN, ZIV
... >from Pogrebishche in Kiev Guberniya: KOTOVSKY
... >from Austria-Hungary: ROSENBERG
... >from Bohemia: GREEN, GRUEN, KLEINMAN, LEDERER, STEINER
... >from Warsawa: GOLDBERG, GOLDBRANDT, KATCHER, ROSENSWEIG, SPINAK
... and any Jewish families that ever lived in Pocomoke City, MD


Re: Search For Poland Warsaw Surname #poland

David Cooper <dcooper@...>
 

Have you tried searching (having a search done) on the Yad Vashem's Hall of
Names ? If your ancestor's family is >from Warsaw, there is a good chance
they or some member of their families died in the Holocaust. Check
http://www.yad-vashem.org.il/ for details.

...david

+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
ô¿ô Genealogy Utilities & Family Research
Researching: ALLEN,BERZONER,COHEN,COOPER,KUPFERZMIDT,
POSNER (POIZNER), PRITIKIN, STARKMAN
Dachau Camp Entry List, Genealogy Utilities
http://pages.prodigy.net/dcooper000/index.htm

-----Original Message-----
From: NZF860@aol.com [mailto:NZF860@aol.com]

Subject: [jri-pl] Search For Poland Warsaw Surname

I am trying to research my family tree. I have found that the
family name FERSZTAND is very uncommon. I managed to find the birth
record of an ancestor named Abram-Reuben Fersztand on the JRI-Poland
database search. I know the family lived in Warsaw. Beyond this I
haven't been able to find any other information. I request that
any one who has any information concerning this surname, to
please E-mail me. Thank you very much for your help.

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please sign messages with your full name.


JRI Poland #Poland RE: Search For Poland Warsaw Surname #poland

David Cooper <dcooper@...>
 

Have you tried searching (having a search done) on the Yad Vashem's Hall of
Names ? If your ancestor's family is >from Warsaw, there is a good chance
they or some member of their families died in the Holocaust. Check
http://www.yad-vashem.org.il/ for details.

...david

+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
ô¿ô Genealogy Utilities & Family Research
Researching: ALLEN,BERZONER,COHEN,COOPER,KUPFERZMIDT,
POSNER (POIZNER), PRITIKIN, STARKMAN
Dachau Camp Entry List, Genealogy Utilities
http://pages.prodigy.net/dcooper000/index.htm

-----Original Message-----
From: NZF860@aol.com [mailto:NZF860@aol.com]

Subject: [jri-pl] Search For Poland Warsaw Surname

I am trying to research my family tree. I have found that the
family name FERSZTAND is very uncommon. I managed to find the birth
record of an ancestor named Abram-Reuben Fersztand on the JRI-Poland
database search. I know the family lived in Warsaw. Beyond this I
haven't been able to find any other information. I request that
any one who has any information concerning this surname, to
please E-mail me. Thank you very much for your help.

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please sign messages with your full name.


Re: Sophie (fwd) #poland

Ernest G Holzmann <eholzman@...>
 

I am forwarding the following query. Please respond to her directly.

Ernest Holzmann

Would anybody know what the Yiddish or Jewish original name for Sophie be?

Dianne Raben
ddrr@flash.net >


JRI Poland #Poland Re: Sophie (fwd) #poland

Ernest G Holzmann <eholzman@...>
 

I am forwarding the following query. Please respond to her directly.

Ernest Holzmann

Would anybody know what the Yiddish or Jewish original name for Sophie be?

Dianne Raben
ddrr@flash.net >


Re: Italy in Austro-Hungarian empire #general

Herb <herbiem@...>
 

I think that you will find such a map in a large world atlas,
especially one that includes a historical perspective. You will then be
able to see the changes in boundaries through the past few centuries.
For a 1910 online map check:
http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/1910ind.htm

Herb Meyers
Boulder, Colorado

Denise Azbill wrote in message

I have a relative who lived in Orsano, which used to be part of the
Austro-Hungarian empire and is now in northern Italy. What I would really
like to find is a map of the entire empire, not broken up into countries.
I've looked through a lot of search engines and can't find one. Have
any of you found one on-line?


Polish or Yiddish variants of the name Willie #general

Naidia Woolf <rnwoolf@...>
 

A cousin of my late father was known by the name of Willie KYJAWSKI.
Because my paternal grandfather came >from Lodz, Poland II've always
assumed that Willie also came >from Lodz, however, I may be wrong. To
me, "Willie" sounds more German than Polish. (Certainly not Yiddish!)
It's possible, of course, that a branch of the Kyjawski family lived in
Germany, but this is mere conjecture.)

So far I've been unable to trace Willie or any of his descendants. My late
uncle in England once wrote that Willie and his wife Regina (another
German- or English-sounding name) visited my family (their English
relatives) prior to the 2nd world war. They were either en route for the
U.S. or Canada.

Could the name Willie be a variant (English or German) of "Zelik?"
JRI-Poland's online database for the Lodz Province shows several entries
for a Zelik KUJAWSKI (variant KUIAWSKI). I realize of course (before anyone
hastens to chastise me!) that immigrants were free to adopt any name they
wished after arriving in a host country; that their name choice coul be
completely arbitrary and bear no resemblance to their name at birth. (My
grandfather is a case in point.)

Any advice or suggestions will be welcome. Please respond privately unless
you think your comments might be of general interest.

Naidia Woolf
San Francisco, Ca
rnwoolf@earthlink.net


History of Jews in Houston & Texas Exhibit #general

Lynna Kay Shuffield <friday@...>
 

I am a volunteer at the Texas & Local History
Collection (known as the Texas Room) and I
have been asked by Will Howard to put together
an exhibit on the "History of Jews in Houston
& Texas" for the Julia Ideson Bldg. (1st &
2nd floors) ...

We will be having an organizational meeting
for this project on Saturday, Jan. 13th at 10am
at the Texas Room ...

I regret that this meeting is taking place on
Saturday but the Texas Room is only open Monday
through Saturday, 9am to 6pm ... since many of
us work full-time, Saturday is the only day
we can meet to view the exhibit area ... other
meetings will take place on Sunday but the
first meeting needs to be at the facility for
the exhibit so that people get an idea of what
needs to be done and the material to be used
...

If you are interested in this project, please
let me know as I would love to include information
on your organization in the exhibit ...

Thanks ... Lynna Kay Shuffield

Lynna Kay Shuffield
Houston, Texas
e-mail: friday@argohouston.com

My webpages:
"Our Loose Ends" Genealogy Column by Lynna Kay Shuffield
http://www.geocities.com/lks_friday/COLUMN-001.htm
"My Loose Ends" Family Tree Database by Lynna Kay Shuffield
http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=friday


Sam KIND and Co #general

ELandL <e-berkowitz@...>
 

I am researching the KIND family >from Philadelphia and New Jersey
(Princeton, I think). Sam Kind had a Jewelery and watch store and had
a name of either Sam Kind and Company or Kind, Abt, and Co.

Sam KIND was one of four children of Philip KIND and Theresa Hartman.
Other children were Sophie and Wilhemina.

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Linda Berkowitz

Also Researching: FANTL, FREUND, TAUSSIG, GOLDSTEIN >from Bohemia;
SIMON >from Schwindratzheim); SPIRA >from Ulanov; BERKOWITZ from
Smorgon


Re: Jewsearch.com website #general

Barry Finkel <b19141@...>
 

Can anyone shed anymore information on the jewsearch.com website
mentioned? Who's sponsoring it? What kind of credibility?
To find out who owns this domain, go to this URL

http://www.geektools.com/cgi-bin/proxy.cgi

and enter the domain jewsearch.com

You will find the name, postal address, and e-mail address of the
owner of the domain. You can then direct your question(s) to that
person. The rules of JewishGen forbid me to post the name and
address, so you will have to do the "whois" search yourself.

Barry Finkel
Chicago, IL, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Italy in Austro-Hungarian empire #general

Herb <herbiem@...>
 

I think that you will find such a map in a large world atlas,
especially one that includes a historical perspective. You will then be
able to see the changes in boundaries through the past few centuries.
For a 1910 online map check:
http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/1910ind.htm

Herb Meyers
Boulder, Colorado

Denise Azbill wrote in message

I have a relative who lived in Orsano, which used to be part of the
Austro-Hungarian empire and is now in northern Italy. What I would really
like to find is a map of the entire empire, not broken up into countries.
I've looked through a lot of search engines and can't find one. Have
any of you found one on-line?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Polish or Yiddish variants of the name Willie #general

Naidia Woolf <rnwoolf@...>
 

A cousin of my late father was known by the name of Willie KYJAWSKI.
Because my paternal grandfather came >from Lodz, Poland II've always
assumed that Willie also came >from Lodz, however, I may be wrong. To
me, "Willie" sounds more German than Polish. (Certainly not Yiddish!)
It's possible, of course, that a branch of the Kyjawski family lived in
Germany, but this is mere conjecture.)

So far I've been unable to trace Willie or any of his descendants. My late
uncle in England once wrote that Willie and his wife Regina (another
German- or English-sounding name) visited my family (their English
relatives) prior to the 2nd world war. They were either en route for the
U.S. or Canada.

Could the name Willie be a variant (English or German) of "Zelik?"
JRI-Poland's online database for the Lodz Province shows several entries
for a Zelik KUJAWSKI (variant KUIAWSKI). I realize of course (before anyone
hastens to chastise me!) that immigrants were free to adopt any name they
wished after arriving in a host country; that their name choice coul be
completely arbitrary and bear no resemblance to their name at birth. (My
grandfather is a case in point.)

Any advice or suggestions will be welcome. Please respond privately unless
you think your comments might be of general interest.

Naidia Woolf
San Francisco, Ca
rnwoolf@earthlink.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen History of Jews in Houston & Texas Exhibit #general

Lynna Kay Shuffield <friday@...>
 

I am a volunteer at the Texas & Local History
Collection (known as the Texas Room) and I
have been asked by Will Howard to put together
an exhibit on the "History of Jews in Houston
& Texas" for the Julia Ideson Bldg. (1st &
2nd floors) ...

We will be having an organizational meeting
for this project on Saturday, Jan. 13th at 10am
at the Texas Room ...

I regret that this meeting is taking place on
Saturday but the Texas Room is only open Monday
through Saturday, 9am to 6pm ... since many of
us work full-time, Saturday is the only day
we can meet to view the exhibit area ... other
meetings will take place on Sunday but the
first meeting needs to be at the facility for
the exhibit so that people get an idea of what
needs to be done and the material to be used
...

If you are interested in this project, please
let me know as I would love to include information
on your organization in the exhibit ...

Thanks ... Lynna Kay Shuffield

Lynna Kay Shuffield
Houston, Texas
e-mail: friday@argohouston.com

My webpages:
"Our Loose Ends" Genealogy Column by Lynna Kay Shuffield
http://www.geocities.com/lks_friday/COLUMN-001.htm
"My Loose Ends" Family Tree Database by Lynna Kay Shuffield
http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=friday