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Re: Polish Legion of French Army & POW's #general

Tomek Liniecki <liniecki@...>
 

U¿ytkownik Anne Lifshitz-Krams <alkrams@free.fr>
Maybe I am mistaking, but I never heard of a Polish Legion in French
army.
You are both wrong and right at the same time. The troops were named Polish
Army in France, not a Legion. The Army existed >from winter 1939/40 till
summer 1940. After the collapse of French Republic in 1940 the army was
evacuated to British Isles. There's a lot of reference on that topic, but
mostly in Polish.

Regards,
Tomasz Linetzky


Re: "Polish legion" in France, WWII #general

Rosanne D. Leeson <leeson1@...>
 

Dear Genners,

There were a couple of posts within the last week asking about a "Polish
Legion" in the French Army during WWII. Anne Lifshitz-Krams of the
Cercle de Genealogie Juive responded that to her kowledge there was no
such Legion, but suggested instead a membership in a resistance group.

Interestingly, in today's New York Times (1/9/01) there is an article on
the first page of the Arts section, which discusses a film made in
France in the 1980's which provoked quite a storm at that time. The
title is "French film bears witness to wartkime complicity". It can be
read online today on the Ny Times site: www.nytimes.com The film
entitles," Terrorists in retirement" is being shown in New York for 2
weeks beginning Wed., at the Film Forum in the South Village.

In brief, the film deals with survivors of a group of some 200 East
European Jews who had joined the French Resistance, including an armed
Communist group, mainly Jews, who carried out assassinations and
bombings of Nazi targets in Paris. This group was called the Immigrant
Workers (Main d'Oeuvre Immigree), which was in turn linked to the
Communist Party's Franc-Tireurs et Partisans, and known by the acronym
FTP-MOI. MAny were caught and executed, and others felt that they had
been betrayed by the French Communist party, and not smuggled to safety
as were their French counterparts.

Perhaps this was the group being asked about on this list? At any rate,
it is a fascinating and moving story, and one not well-known over here.

Rosanne Leeson
Los ALtos, CA USA
Leeson1@attglobal.net


Re: Alt Name for Varos Nameny, near Kosice #general

lajos.varga@...
 

Hi Joan,

I've answered Your question already three times to soc.genealogy.jewish
NG trough www.deja.com, but they have'nt published yet.
In the meantime I've discovered the mistake: one can'nt answer the questin
directly to the moderated NG!

I think the town "Varos Nameny" You are looking for, is the town
Vasarosnameny(Vásárosnamény) in eastern Hungary (Szabolcs-Szatmár-Bereg
county).

You can finde this place on the following map:
http://www.ffg.sulinet.hu/hat96/zavarko/megyek/SZABOLCS.GIF

"Vranov nad Toplou" is called Varranó in hungarian.

I hope I could help You.

With regards

Lajos L. Varga, Dipl.Ing.
BERN
Schweiz


My family tree #general

Carmi Opler <boazop@...>
 

To all Geners,
I am lookinig for my roots in Poland and I would appreciate any kind
of help.
The names I am looking for are:
OPLER , BERLINER, GELBARD, GLICK, LANGIER,RUDOLER, WAJSALTS- from
Bendin/Bedzin-Poland.
FINKEL,SNOPKOWSKY, TROPAWER- >from Zarky -Poland.
BETTER,DURST, GRAWER, IGRA, VOLNERMAN- >from Cestochowa and/or Osweciem.
Thanks
Iseec Opler
boazop@netvision.net.il


UK 1881 Census Reg Dist. index #general

Miriam Margolyes <75342.3217@...>
 

FOR UK research:

This is the URL for the the names of the registration districts of the
1881 census of England and Wales for which street indexes have been
published, together with the number of each RD and the number of the
volume which holds the street index.

http://www.apex.net.au/~tmj/c81-rds.htm

It is extremely useful if you're searching for rellies in the UK at that
time. I should mention that the entire 1881 Census is available cheaply
from the LDS-and can be ordered online.
I also suggest a look at a useful URL:

http://www.apex.net.au/~tmj/c81-adrs.htm

Please do not ask me any questions-I know nothing more than I post here!

For current post code searching in the UK:
http://www.royalmail.com/paf/

Miriam MARGOLYES
Santa Monica
email: 75342.3217@compuserve.com

searching: AMIEL (London) INDICK (London) POSNER (London 19C)
TURIANSKY (Bialystock)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Polish Legion of French Army & POW's #general

Tomek Liniecki <liniecki@...>
 

U¿ytkownik Anne Lifshitz-Krams <alkrams@free.fr>
Maybe I am mistaking, but I never heard of a Polish Legion in French
army.
You are both wrong and right at the same time. The troops were named Polish
Army in France, not a Legion. The Army existed >from winter 1939/40 till
summer 1940. After the collapse of French Republic in 1940 the army was
evacuated to British Isles. There's a lot of reference on that topic, but
mostly in Polish.

Regards,
Tomasz Linetzky


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: "Polish legion" in France, WWII #general

Rosanne D. Leeson <leeson1@...>
 

Dear Genners,

There were a couple of posts within the last week asking about a "Polish
Legion" in the French Army during WWII. Anne Lifshitz-Krams of the
Cercle de Genealogie Juive responded that to her kowledge there was no
such Legion, but suggested instead a membership in a resistance group.

Interestingly, in today's New York Times (1/9/01) there is an article on
the first page of the Arts section, which discusses a film made in
France in the 1980's which provoked quite a storm at that time. The
title is "French film bears witness to wartkime complicity". It can be
read online today on the Ny Times site: www.nytimes.com The film
entitles," Terrorists in retirement" is being shown in New York for 2
weeks beginning Wed., at the Film Forum in the South Village.

In brief, the film deals with survivors of a group of some 200 East
European Jews who had joined the French Resistance, including an armed
Communist group, mainly Jews, who carried out assassinations and
bombings of Nazi targets in Paris. This group was called the Immigrant
Workers (Main d'Oeuvre Immigree), which was in turn linked to the
Communist Party's Franc-Tireurs et Partisans, and known by the acronym
FTP-MOI. MAny were caught and executed, and others felt that they had
been betrayed by the French Communist party, and not smuggled to safety
as were their French counterparts.

Perhaps this was the group being asked about on this list? At any rate,
it is a fascinating and moving story, and one not well-known over here.

Rosanne Leeson
Los ALtos, CA USA
Leeson1@attglobal.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Alt Name for Varos Nameny, near Kosice #general

lajos.varga@...
 

Hi Joan,

I've answered Your question already three times to soc.genealogy.jewish
NG trough www.deja.com, but they have'nt published yet.
In the meantime I've discovered the mistake: one can'nt answer the questin
directly to the moderated NG!

I think the town "Varos Nameny" You are looking for, is the town
Vasarosnameny(Vásárosnamény) in eastern Hungary (Szabolcs-Szatmár-Bereg
county).

You can finde this place on the following map:
http://www.ffg.sulinet.hu/hat96/zavarko/megyek/SZABOLCS.GIF

"Vranov nad Toplou" is called Varranó in hungarian.

I hope I could help You.

With regards

Lajos L. Varga, Dipl.Ing.
BERN
Schweiz


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen My family tree #general

Carmi Opler <boazop@...>
 

To all Geners,
I am lookinig for my roots in Poland and I would appreciate any kind
of help.
The names I am looking for are:
OPLER , BERLINER, GELBARD, GLICK, LANGIER,RUDOLER, WAJSALTS- from
Bendin/Bedzin-Poland.
FINKEL,SNOPKOWSKY, TROPAWER- >from Zarky -Poland.
BETTER,DURST, GRAWER, IGRA, VOLNERMAN- >from Cestochowa and/or Osweciem.
Thanks
Iseec Opler
boazop@netvision.net.il


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen UK 1881 Census Reg Dist. index #general

Miriam Margolyes <75342.3217@...>
 

FOR UK research:

This is the URL for the the names of the registration districts of the
1881 census of England and Wales for which street indexes have been
published, together with the number of each RD and the number of the
volume which holds the street index.

http://www.apex.net.au/~tmj/c81-rds.htm

It is extremely useful if you're searching for rellies in the UK at that
time. I should mention that the entire 1881 Census is available cheaply
from the LDS-and can be ordered online.
I also suggest a look at a useful URL:

http://www.apex.net.au/~tmj/c81-adrs.htm

Please do not ask me any questions-I know nothing more than I post here!

For current post code searching in the UK:
http://www.royalmail.com/paf/

Miriam MARGOLYES
Santa Monica
email: 75342.3217@compuserve.com

searching: AMIEL (London) INDICK (London) POSNER (London 19C)
TURIANSKY (Bialystock)


Brewki Zakosciele, Poland #general

HNRosen@...
 

Anyone familiar with the location of ,or have other information on, the
town (village?) of Brewki (Bruki?) Zakosciele, Poland near Zareby
Koscielne?

Please reply privately.

Howard Rosen
Los Angeles

Searching:
ARMUS, ERMUS, HERMAN - Zareby Koscielne & Olkusz, Poland 1830s-1870s
RYC, RYDZ > RITZ - Zareby Koscielne, Poland 1810s-1920s > Los Angeles 1945
ROJZEN, ROZEN > ROSEN - Ostrow Mazowiecka, Poland 1800-1910 > Galveston,TX
1905 > Los Angeles 2000 WIERZBA - Zareby Koscielne, Poland 1820s-1910s


Abbreviation 2ch or Zch in Polish records #general

HNRosen@...
 

I've seen the abbreviation 2ch or Zch ("ch" as superscript) in many
Polish documents indexed on JRI-Poland. Can someone clarify and explain
the meaning to me?

Please reply privately.

Howard Rosen
Los Angeles


UK War Medals info #general

Miriam Margolyes <75342.3217@...>
 

I thought this could be useful to those of us searching
for family members who had served in the British &
Commonwealth Armies in WW 11.

This info comes >from a v useful list run by Rootsweb,
about WW 2. To subscribe:
WORLDWAR2-D-request@rootsweb.com

The War Medal 1939-1945; one of two general service medals for WWII; the
other being the Defence Medal. They complement the several Second World
War campaign stars awarded for service in specific theatres of war. The
War Medal was awarded in 1945 to all full-time personnel of all British
and Commonwealth armed services wherever they were serving, so long as
they had served for at least 28 days between 3 Sep 1939 and 2 Sep 1945.

Medal Rolls and Medal Offices

The Medal Rolls for World War II have yet to be released to the Public
Record Office. They are held by the Army Medal Office, an official
enterprise that holds the formal records of campaign and service medals
and other awards to all British armed services. The Army Medal Office is
still dealing with the issue of medals, including retrospective awards of
World War II and later medals to servicemen and women (or their next of
kin) who can prove non-issue. However, it should be noted that if the
serviceman or woman refused to accept the medals when first issued, the
Army Medal Office will respect that wish and decline to issue medals to
next of kin or families. The office address is:

Ministry of Defence, Army Medal Office,
Government Office Buildings,
Worcester Road,
Droitwich,
Worcestershire WR9 8AU,
United Kingdom.

I have no other information, please don't ask me.

Miriam MARGOLYES
Santa Monica
email: 75342.3217@compuserve.com

searching: BLUMENTHAL (London 19C) LAZARUS (Berlin 19c)
POSNER (Berlin 19c) STUPEL (Belarus)


Re: Polish Legion of French Army & POW's (addition) #general

Lifshitz-Krams Anne
 

Sorry, In my first answer I had forgoten to mention the 21st, 22nd and 23rd
Regiments of Foreign Volonteers. Most of the 22nd were Jews, 30% Polish
Jews. It was probably the same for the 21st. They were formed in Barcares.

And I don't know how I could forget a very important source: you will have
informations concerning Jews in the French army during WWII by writing to:
U.E.V.A.C.J.E.A. (Union des Engages Volontaires Anciens Combattants Juifs
39-45, leurs Enfants et Amis):
union-des-engages-volontaires@wanadoo.fr

They have a Revue "Notre volonte" where it may be possible (?) to ask if
somebody met your cousin.

Anne Lifshitz-Krams
Cercle de Genealogie Juive
Paris (France)
http://www.genealoj.org

Elless <elless@aol.com> a écrit dans le message :

A cousin of my mother's was in the Polish Legion of the French
army in WW II. He was captured and spent the war in a series
of POW camps, each more harsh since he was an escaper.
Are there any records of the Legion and of POW camps.
Lewis Stein


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Brewki Zakosciele, Poland #general

HNRosen@...
 

Anyone familiar with the location of ,or have other information on, the
town (village?) of Brewki (Bruki?) Zakosciele, Poland near Zareby
Koscielne?

Please reply privately.

Howard Rosen
Los Angeles

Searching:
ARMUS, ERMUS, HERMAN - Zareby Koscielne & Olkusz, Poland 1830s-1870s
RYC, RYDZ > RITZ - Zareby Koscielne, Poland 1810s-1920s > Los Angeles 1945
ROJZEN, ROZEN > ROSEN - Ostrow Mazowiecka, Poland 1800-1910 > Galveston,TX
1905 > Los Angeles 2000 WIERZBA - Zareby Koscielne, Poland 1820s-1910s


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Abbreviation 2ch or Zch in Polish records #general

HNRosen@...
 

I've seen the abbreviation 2ch or Zch ("ch" as superscript) in many
Polish documents indexed on JRI-Poland. Can someone clarify and explain
the meaning to me?

Please reply privately.

Howard Rosen
Los Angeles


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen UK War Medals info #general

Miriam Margolyes <75342.3217@...>
 

I thought this could be useful to those of us searching
for family members who had served in the British &
Commonwealth Armies in WW 11.

This info comes >from a v useful list run by Rootsweb,
about WW 2. To subscribe:
WORLDWAR2-D-request@rootsweb.com

The War Medal 1939-1945; one of two general service medals for WWII; the
other being the Defence Medal. They complement the several Second World
War campaign stars awarded for service in specific theatres of war. The
War Medal was awarded in 1945 to all full-time personnel of all British
and Commonwealth armed services wherever they were serving, so long as
they had served for at least 28 days between 3 Sep 1939 and 2 Sep 1945.

Medal Rolls and Medal Offices

The Medal Rolls for World War II have yet to be released to the Public
Record Office. They are held by the Army Medal Office, an official
enterprise that holds the formal records of campaign and service medals
and other awards to all British armed services. The Army Medal Office is
still dealing with the issue of medals, including retrospective awards of
World War II and later medals to servicemen and women (or their next of
kin) who can prove non-issue. However, it should be noted that if the
serviceman or woman refused to accept the medals when first issued, the
Army Medal Office will respect that wish and decline to issue medals to
next of kin or families. The office address is:

Ministry of Defence, Army Medal Office,
Government Office Buildings,
Worcester Road,
Droitwich,
Worcestershire WR9 8AU,
United Kingdom.

I have no other information, please don't ask me.

Miriam MARGOLYES
Santa Monica
email: 75342.3217@compuserve.com

searching: BLUMENTHAL (London 19C) LAZARUS (Berlin 19c)
POSNER (Berlin 19c) STUPEL (Belarus)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Polish Legion of French Army & POW's (addition) #general

Lifshitz-Krams Anne
 

Sorry, In my first answer I had forgoten to mention the 21st, 22nd and 23rd
Regiments of Foreign Volonteers. Most of the 22nd were Jews, 30% Polish
Jews. It was probably the same for the 21st. They were formed in Barcares.

And I don't know how I could forget a very important source: you will have
informations concerning Jews in the French army during WWII by writing to:
U.E.V.A.C.J.E.A. (Union des Engages Volontaires Anciens Combattants Juifs
39-45, leurs Enfants et Amis):
union-des-engages-volontaires@wanadoo.fr

They have a Revue "Notre volonte" where it may be possible (?) to ask if
somebody met your cousin.

Anne Lifshitz-Krams
Cercle de Genealogie Juive
Paris (France)
http://www.genealoj.org

Elless <elless@aol.com> a écrit dans le message :

A cousin of my mother's was in the Polish Legion of the French
army in WW II. He was captured and spent the war in a series
of POW camps, each more harsh since he was an escaper.
Are there any records of the Legion and of POW camps.
Lewis Stein


Northern NJ Cemeteries -- Part II #general

A. E. Jordan
 

Thanks to everyone who replied to my question about a cemetery in
Richfield Park, NJ. Most everyone suggested Riverside in Rochelle Park.

I spoke to Riverside as well as Mt. Moriah and neither has the gave for
Abraham KORENSTEIN. All I know is that Korenstein lived in Hoboken and
was a pillar of the Jewish community. Hence I doubt he was not buried in
a Jewish cemetery.

I am checking the listing for other local cemeteries, but anyone have any
ideas on what was the most likely cemetery for a Hoboken person who died
in about 1950?

Thanks.

Allan Jordan
aejordan@aol.com


Re: Hungarian Cemetery, Newark, NJ #general

cpspier <cpspier@...>
 

Dear Howie and group: For what it is worth, in 1928 my (Hungarian)
grandmother, who lived in Manhattan and in Brooklyn, but never New Jersey,
bought a sizeable plot >from the Lakewood Cemetery Association in the
Riverside Cemetery, Rochelle Park, Saddle River, Bergen County, NJ. She was
buried there in 1946. ( have no record that the other plots were ever
used.) This isn't Newark, but maybe it is useful to someone....

Paula Spier
Brewster, MA
cpspier@geoserve.net

From: <Howh20@aol.com>

Continuing the thread of Jewish cemeteries in northern New Jersey, I have
been told that two possible relatives of mine were buried in the
Hungarian Cemetery in Newark. However, upon calling the telephone
company, they indicate that there is no such listing in Newark or in the
surrounding area.