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Fw: Hamburg lists vs. Glazier #lithuania

Andrea Vangor <drav@...>
 

Dear Sallyann and list members,

Coincidences aside (and how fascinating they are!), I will say this in
defense of Ira Glazier -- he told me the ship in which my Binder family
arrived in New York. I did not get this information >from the Hamburg
database because my people were "indirect passengers" who changed boats in
Liverpool.

If I had had the sense to check his volumes first, I might have
found that ship name and arrival date, and not wasted money ordering four
microfilms where one would have sufficed. As it happened, I had ordered the right microfilm along with several wrong ones (before I got the ship name >from Glazier's book) and so I was able to obtain the original
manifestquickly and check it against the Hamburg and Glazier data.
Looks like Mr.Glazier misread a splotch for the dot on an i, and the name was in fact written as Sundel on the ship manifest. As you say, it was probably Zundel, a generic sort of nickname.

So he (Glazier) makes mistakes. It was fantastic to find this resource, and to get the name of the ship my great-grandmother took to New York -- the Gallia, arriving on June 13, 1890. Re Benny Binder, I don't think he WAS the mysterious Sundel/Zundel, who may turn out to be a David Bender in
Bridgeport.

A question for the list: was divorce practiced by Litvak Jews circa
1880-85?

I look forward to reading the articles about Ira Glazier and his work.

Andrea Vangor
BENDER/BINDER, GALANTER, LEVY >from Kraziai, Lithuania
PUSSEL/BUSSHELL,FEIGELSON >from Vitebsk, Belarus

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Andrea is referring to the volumes entitled "Migration >from the Russian Empire" by Ira Glazier.


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Fw: Hamburg lists vs. Glazier #lithuania

Andrea Vangor <drav@...>
 

Dear Sallyann and list members,

Coincidences aside (and how fascinating they are!), I will say this in
defense of Ira Glazier -- he told me the ship in which my Binder family
arrived in New York. I did not get this information >from the Hamburg
database because my people were "indirect passengers" who changed boats in
Liverpool.

If I had had the sense to check his volumes first, I might have
found that ship name and arrival date, and not wasted money ordering four
microfilms where one would have sufficed. As it happened, I had ordered the right microfilm along with several wrong ones (before I got the ship name >from Glazier's book) and so I was able to obtain the original
manifestquickly and check it against the Hamburg and Glazier data.
Looks like Mr.Glazier misread a splotch for the dot on an i, and the name was in fact written as Sundel on the ship manifest. As you say, it was probably Zundel, a generic sort of nickname.

So he (Glazier) makes mistakes. It was fantastic to find this resource, and to get the name of the ship my great-grandmother took to New York -- the Gallia, arriving on June 13, 1890. Re Benny Binder, I don't think he WAS the mysterious Sundel/Zundel, who may turn out to be a David Bender in
Bridgeport.

A question for the list: was divorce practiced by Litvak Jews circa
1880-85?

I look forward to reading the articles about Ira Glazier and his work.

Andrea Vangor
BENDER/BINDER, GALANTER, LEVY >from Kraziai, Lithuania
PUSSEL/BUSSHELL,FEIGELSON >from Vitebsk, Belarus

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Andrea is referring to the volumes entitled "Migration >from the Russian Empire" by Ira Glazier.


Tools for looking at old documents #general

Jessica Tropp <jtropp@...>
 

On my last trip to the National Archives, I noticed several people using
clear colored plastic sheets, and others using colored papers on which to
view the microfilms. I didn't ask them at the time why they did that, so i
am hoping someone can share with me the advantages of doing that, and also
suggestions for other tools such as magnifiers that help in looking at
microfilmed documents. Thanks in advance.

Jessica Tropp
Northampton, MA
USA
Researching:
LEVIN(E), KARCHMER, SILVERMAN, RIVKIND >from Vilna
ENTE >from Przemysl, Poland
TROPP >from Galicia
GOLDNER >from Romania


Maps #general

Jessica Tropp <jtropp@...>
 

Would anybody be willing to suggest good maps (in english) that would have
good detail of Vilna gubernia, preferably ones that have the old names?
Where does one shop for eastern european maps? Please answer privately re:
where to buy.
Thanks.

Jessica Tropp
Northampton, MA
USA
Researching:
LEVIN(E), KARCHMER, SILVERMAN, RIVKIND >from Vilna
ENTE >from Przemysl, Poland
TROPP >from Galicia
GOLDNER >from Romania


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Tools for looking at old documents #general

Jessica Tropp <jtropp@...>
 

On my last trip to the National Archives, I noticed several people using
clear colored plastic sheets, and others using colored papers on which to
view the microfilms. I didn't ask them at the time why they did that, so i
am hoping someone can share with me the advantages of doing that, and also
suggestions for other tools such as magnifiers that help in looking at
microfilmed documents. Thanks in advance.

Jessica Tropp
Northampton, MA
USA
Researching:
LEVIN(E), KARCHMER, SILVERMAN, RIVKIND >from Vilna
ENTE >from Przemysl, Poland
TROPP >from Galicia
GOLDNER >from Romania


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Maps #general

Jessica Tropp <jtropp@...>
 

Would anybody be willing to suggest good maps (in english) that would have
good detail of Vilna gubernia, preferably ones that have the old names?
Where does one shop for eastern european maps? Please answer privately re:
where to buy.
Thanks.

Jessica Tropp
Northampton, MA
USA
Researching:
LEVIN(E), KARCHMER, SILVERMAN, RIVKIND >from Vilna
ENTE >from Przemysl, Poland
TROPP >from Galicia
GOLDNER >from Romania


Re: Wegrow project #general

Hank Mishkoff <HankM@...>
 

There is great news for researchers with an interest in Wegrow
and more than sixty surrounding towns and villages (listed below).
The indexing of fifty years of Wegrow Jewish vital records in the
Siedlce Archives -- records not filmed by the Mormons -- is now underway.

Wegrow (pronounced "vengroove") is approximately 70 km east of
Warsaw, and 17 km west of Sokolow Podlaski. It is a 'crossroads'
town at the interesection of the Liwiec and Czerwonka rivers.
FYI, I snapped a few photos of Wegrow when I visited there in 1999.
(My mother's family is >from Wegrow.) They're at:

http://www.WebFeats.com/Poland/p100599/

(Warning: The photos are uncropped, unedited, and *very* large!)

Hank Mishkoff (Dallas, Texas)
HankM@AddisonWeb.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Wegrow project #general

Hank Mishkoff <HankM@...>
 

There is great news for researchers with an interest in Wegrow
and more than sixty surrounding towns and villages (listed below).
The indexing of fifty years of Wegrow Jewish vital records in the
Siedlce Archives -- records not filmed by the Mormons -- is now underway.

Wegrow (pronounced "vengroove") is approximately 70 km east of
Warsaw, and 17 km west of Sokolow Podlaski. It is a 'crossroads'
town at the interesection of the Liwiec and Czerwonka rivers.
FYI, I snapped a few photos of Wegrow when I visited there in 1999.
(My mother's family is >from Wegrow.) They're at:

http://www.WebFeats.com/Poland/p100599/

(Warning: The photos are uncropped, unedited, and *very* large!)

Hank Mishkoff (Dallas, Texas)
HankM@AddisonWeb.com


Re: Great web site found, if looking for people... #general

David Frey <dfrey@...>
 

I hate to disagree with Denise Azbil:

"I just came across a website at www.jewsearch.com People
register to have their names placed in the database, and
you can e-mail them. There are hundreds of people in the
database, listed in alphabetical order. They also
have home pages of members listed, many of which contain genealogical
information. It's also kind of a "matchmaking site"! It's a great site."
But it is not a great site at all. I took the time to look up on
three people I know including myself. Aside the amount of time to
look up a name it took to look up a name, >from 15 minutes to 40
minutes , in each case it listed about 12 topics which were
supposed to supply information, all contained the name and a button
called email me and nothing further


I doubt if the information received would be very useful at all

David Frey
dfrey@bigpond.net.au


Re: Polish Legion of French Army & POW. #general

Willie Glaser <velvel@...>
 

Go or write to the nearest Polish consulate. Provide all information about
your cousin. They will point you in the right direction.
Should cousin have died in an POW camp, contact me privately, there is a
chance I could help you.
Willie Glaser,
St. Laurent, Que. Canada


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Great web site found, if looking for people... #general

David Frey <dfrey@...>
 

I hate to disagree with Denise Azbil:

"I just came across a website at www.jewsearch.com People
register to have their names placed in the database, and
you can e-mail them. There are hundreds of people in the
database, listed in alphabetical order. They also
have home pages of members listed, many of which contain genealogical
information. It's also kind of a "matchmaking site"! It's a great site."
But it is not a great site at all. I took the time to look up on
three people I know including myself. Aside the amount of time to
look up a name it took to look up a name, >from 15 minutes to 40
minutes , in each case it listed about 12 topics which were
supposed to supply information, all contained the name and a button
called email me and nothing further


I doubt if the information received would be very useful at all

David Frey
dfrey@bigpond.net.au


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re:Polish Legion of French Army & POW. #general

Willie Glaser <velvel@...>
 

Go or write to the nearest Polish consulate. Provide all information about
your cousin. They will point you in the right direction.
Should cousin have died in an POW camp, contact me privately, there is a
chance I could help you.
Willie Glaser,
St. Laurent, Que. Canada


Montreal researcher (or magician) needed #general

Joyce Weaver <joyweave@...>
 

I don't know if what I have in mind is at all possible, which is why I
think I might need a magician instead of a researcher.

What I'd like to know is if any researcher in the Montreal area thinks
he or she can do the following: Using two addresses found in the
Montreal City Directory for 1913-15, would it be possible to figure out
which synagogue(s) the family might have attended and thus find the
birth registrations for children born during that period?

If you think this is possible, please answer privately with information
about fees, time, etc.

Joy Weaver
--
mail to: joyweave@erols.com

Poland (Zaklikow, Lublin): Blumberg, Fogiel, Rozenel./
Belarus (Brest, Grodno): Feinberg, Vilner, Greenberg.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Montreal researcher (or magician) needed #general

Joyce Weaver <joyweave@...>
 

I don't know if what I have in mind is at all possible, which is why I
think I might need a magician instead of a researcher.

What I'd like to know is if any researcher in the Montreal area thinks
he or she can do the following: Using two addresses found in the
Montreal City Directory for 1913-15, would it be possible to figure out
which synagogue(s) the family might have attended and thus find the
birth registrations for children born during that period?

If you think this is possible, please answer privately with information
about fees, time, etc.

Joy Weaver
--
mail to: joyweave@erols.com

Poland (Zaklikow, Lublin): Blumberg, Fogiel, Rozenel./
Belarus (Brest, Grodno): Feinberg, Vilner, Greenberg.


Re: Changing names - how was it done? #general

JGLois@...
 

Has anyone looked into how someone changed their name at the turn of the
century in the United States? Did our ancestors wake up one morning and
say I want an American name and just start calling themselves by their new
name?
Allan,

I cannot speak to the legality of the procedure but I can tell you about
my immigrant family in Philadelphia. My paternal grandfather had the
surname SOSNOVSKY upon immigration >from Ekaterinaslav in 1902.
Through the document trail and the city directories I found that the first
incarnation of the surname was SOSNOFFSKY or SASNOFFSKY.
Later it seesawed back and forth between SOSNOFFSKY and SOSNOFF.
Still later it flipped back and forth between SOSNOFF and SERNOFF.

My late father told me (and I think he believed) that his eldest brother
changed the family name to SERNOFF. When my father was naturalized
in 1928 he used the name SERNOFF and did not request a name change.
I later found that his eldest brother was not naturalized until 1940
and at that time he changed His name legally >from SOSNOFFSKY to SERNOFF.

Having traced many of the extended family through the city directories, I
find this scenario repeated over and over.

One of my grandmother's sisters was preceded in immigration by her husband,
Nuchem WISCHNAPOLSKY. He, being extremely fearful that the Tsar was
going to find him and pluck him back to Korsun, immediately took the name
of his wife's aunt and uncle. He adopted their surname, YOMPOLSKY, and
appears in the city directories as such, all the while sending for various
WISCHNAPOLSKY family members. When the YOMPOLSKY family eventually became
known as YOUNG (via the same - seemingly cavalier process) Nuchem also
became a YOUNG.

Although I have no proof to offer, it is my opinion that they did not
think (or realize) that they might not be complying with the law. I am
sure that my father did not. He was 11 mos. old upon immigration and had
little knowledge of the family history.


Lois Sernoff (technically Sosnovsky)
[Philadelphia, PA, USA]
<JGLois@aol.com>

Researching:
MEZHIRITZKY [MERITZ, MARRITZ, MARRITS] >from Korsun in Kiev Gub. to Phila.
SOSNOVSKY [SOSNOFSKY, SOSNOV - all spelling variations] >from Gorodishche
in Cherkassy uezd, Kiev Gub.-> Ekaterinoslav -> Philadelphia, PA or
anywhere.
FRIEDMAN >from Beltsy/Balti ["Bels" Bessarabia] Moldova to anywhere
KUSHNER [all spelling variations} >from Tomashpol and Yampol in Podolia Gub.
to anywhere


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Changing names - how was it done? #general

JGLois@...
 

Has anyone looked into how someone changed their name at the turn of the
century in the United States? Did our ancestors wake up one morning and
say I want an American name and just start calling themselves by their new
name?
Allan,

I cannot speak to the legality of the procedure but I can tell you about
my immigrant family in Philadelphia. My paternal grandfather had the
surname SOSNOVSKY upon immigration >from Ekaterinaslav in 1902.
Through the document trail and the city directories I found that the first
incarnation of the surname was SOSNOFFSKY or SASNOFFSKY.
Later it seesawed back and forth between SOSNOFFSKY and SOSNOFF.
Still later it flipped back and forth between SOSNOFF and SERNOFF.

My late father told me (and I think he believed) that his eldest brother
changed the family name to SERNOFF. When my father was naturalized
in 1928 he used the name SERNOFF and did not request a name change.
I later found that his eldest brother was not naturalized until 1940
and at that time he changed His name legally >from SOSNOFFSKY to SERNOFF.

Having traced many of the extended family through the city directories, I
find this scenario repeated over and over.

One of my grandmother's sisters was preceded in immigration by her husband,
Nuchem WISCHNAPOLSKY. He, being extremely fearful that the Tsar was
going to find him and pluck him back to Korsun, immediately took the name
of his wife's aunt and uncle. He adopted their surname, YOMPOLSKY, and
appears in the city directories as such, all the while sending for various
WISCHNAPOLSKY family members. When the YOMPOLSKY family eventually became
known as YOUNG (via the same - seemingly cavalier process) Nuchem also
became a YOUNG.

Although I have no proof to offer, it is my opinion that they did not
think (or realize) that they might not be complying with the law. I am
sure that my father did not. He was 11 mos. old upon immigration and had
little knowledge of the family history.


Lois Sernoff (technically Sosnovsky)
[Philadelphia, PA, USA]
<JGLois@aol.com>

Researching:
MEZHIRITZKY [MERITZ, MARRITZ, MARRITS] >from Korsun in Kiev Gub. to Phila.
SOSNOVSKY [SOSNOFSKY, SOSNOV - all spelling variations] >from Gorodishche
in Cherkassy uezd, Kiev Gub.-> Ekaterinoslav -> Philadelphia, PA or
anywhere.
FRIEDMAN >from Beltsy/Balti ["Bels" Bessarabia] Moldova to anywhere
KUSHNER [all spelling variations} >from Tomashpol and Yampol in Podolia Gub.
to anywhere


SZWARCBORT, Seirijai, Lithuania, Landsmen Association? #general

David Ehrens <david_ehrens@...>
 

I am trying to track down a person with the surname of ABIS? (possibly
Arnold) who helped my wife's grandfather and two brothers
(SZWARCBORT -> SHWARTZ) leave Seirijai, Lithuania sometime right
before the First World War. My wife's family ended up in New York,
then Massachusetts, and Mr. ABIS? is remembered to have lived in
Pennsylvania, possibly Reading or Harrisburg.

Does anyone know the name of a mutual aid society that may have helped
Landsmen >from Seirijai, Lithuania?

Regards,
David Ehrens


Re: Orsanno, Austria? #general

Harry Dodsworth <af877@...>
 

Denise Azbill (famaz@prodigy.net) was looking for "Orsanno", Austria,
found on an 1890 Hamburg emigration record.

I checked the 1910 List of Austrian and Hungarian Post Offices without
success. There were many placenames vaguely similar but none so close as
to suggest an obvious spelling mistake.

This directory has been filmed by the LDS (film number 897093).
It lists P.O.s in Austria and Hungary, trains carrying postal cars,
and external post offices in Middle Eastern countries.
The boundaries of the Austro-Hungarian Empire were unchanged between
1867 and 1914.
The empire included parts of (later) Poland, Czechoslovakia, Jugoslavia
and the South Tyrol province of Italy (among others :-)
Most of the Habsburg territories in Northern Italy had already become
Italian in the wars of the 1860s.

The directory includes a useful cross reference of second language names.
This appears to be language neutral in the sense that if the office used
a primary German name, the Hungarian or Polish etc would be the alternate,
while an office named in Hungarian would give the German name as secondary.

--
Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@freenet.carleton.ca


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen SZWARCBORT, Seirijai, Lithuania, Landsmen Association? #general

David Ehrens <david_ehrens@...>
 

I am trying to track down a person with the surname of ABIS? (possibly
Arnold) who helped my wife's grandfather and two brothers
(SZWARCBORT -> SHWARTZ) leave Seirijai, Lithuania sometime right
before the First World War. My wife's family ended up in New York,
then Massachusetts, and Mr. ABIS? is remembered to have lived in
Pennsylvania, possibly Reading or Harrisburg.

Does anyone know the name of a mutual aid society that may have helped
Landsmen >from Seirijai, Lithuania?

Regards,
David Ehrens


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Orsanno, Austria? #general

Harry Dodsworth <af877@...>
 

Denise Azbill (famaz@prodigy.net) was looking for "Orsanno", Austria,
found on an 1890 Hamburg emigration record.

I checked the 1910 List of Austrian and Hungarian Post Offices without
success. There were many placenames vaguely similar but none so close as
to suggest an obvious spelling mistake.

This directory has been filmed by the LDS (film number 897093).
It lists P.O.s in Austria and Hungary, trains carrying postal cars,
and external post offices in Middle Eastern countries.
The boundaries of the Austro-Hungarian Empire were unchanged between
1867 and 1914.
The empire included parts of (later) Poland, Czechoslovakia, Jugoslavia
and the South Tyrol province of Italy (among others :-)
Most of the Habsburg territories in Northern Italy had already become
Italian in the wars of the 1860s.

The directory includes a useful cross reference of second language names.
This appears to be language neutral in the sense that if the office used
a primary German name, the Hungarian or Polish etc would be the alternate,
while an office named in Hungarian would give the German name as secondary.

--
Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@freenet.carleton.ca