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Re: British genealogy website facility: how useful is it? #general

Stephen G. Esrati <stevsta@...>
 

I tried the site twice -- and crashed the computer.
The site allowed me to search but returned an error message saying that
what I was doing was not allowed. And then the computer crashed before I
could do anything else.

Stephen G. Esrati
Shaker Heights, OH

MBernet@aol.com wrote:
I tried, but.

1. This "Jewish Chronicle's family name search allowed me to make a
search on 3 family names, then stopped accepting more. In each case
I was told I would read the results in forthcoming issues of the Jewish
Chronicle.

2. They have a Genealogy site, which requires registration (free). I
could not get into this because my suggested passwords (alphabet,
alphanumeric) were all rejected without reason.

Can any of our British genners offer advice on how this works and what we
must do to get in?

MODERATOR NOTE: Also try <webmaster@thejc.com> . If a helpful response
is received, it can be posted here for the benefit of our readers.
MODERATOR NOTE: For technical problems, see the above Moderator Note.
Also, for information on this site, Sheila Toffell wrote: "It now appears
that they have re-vamped the site, ... , but the only way you can access
the genealogy section is by joining their "gold club". And how does one
join this illustrious body??? By subscribing to the actual newspaper."
Any further discussion of this website should continue privately.


The "great website" #general

dorothy rivers <dotvic@...>
 

I agree with David Frey about the great website. I,too, tried it and got
the same results as he. I've decided to stick to Jewishgen and it's
recommendations >from now on.

Dorothy Auerbach Rivers New Mexico, USA dotvic@gilanet.com

Researching: AUERBACH - Riga, Lativia; Polotsk, Vitebsk Province, Belarus
HIRSOHN (and various spellings) - Riga, Lativia; Drisa, Belarus
BERGSTEIN - Ulanow, Poland
MAURER - Mielec, Poland
FASS - Tyzcyn, Poland


Re: Polish Legion of French Army & POW's #general

Lifshitz-Krams Anne
 

Maybe I am mistaking, but I never heard of a Polish Legion in French army.
Are you sure it was not Forein Legion? A lot of Jews were engaged in this
Legion.
You can try and write to:
Legion Etrangere
Bureau des Anciens
Quartier Viennot BP 38
13998 Marseille Armée
But it is not sure you will have any document, First because I am not sure
they do anything by mail, Second because the delay for consulting these
documents is 120 years (150 years for medical documents).
In case they answer you it is impossible to give you any document because
of the delay, It is possible to ask for a derogation, write to:
General Chef du Service Historique de l'Armee de Terre
Pavillon des Armes
Vieux-Fort, Chateau de Vincennes
94300 Vincennes

If you want more informations concerning Military Archives in France,
write to:
[Mod. Note -- Name and address deleted per JewishGen privacy rules. Please
contact Anne Lifshitz-Krams for this information]

An other possibility that I suggest you to consider is that maybe he
engaged in the Resistant movement FTPMOI. Most of the people involved in
this movement were East European Jews.
Anne Lifshitz-Krams
Cercle de Genealogie juive
Paris (France)
http://www.genealoj.org

Elless <elless@aol.com> a écrit dans le message :

A cousin of my mother's was in the Polish Legion of the French
army in WW II. He was captured and spent the war in a series
of POW camps, each more harsh since he was an escaper.
Are there any records of the Legion and of POW camps.
Lewis Stein


The Tale of the Rabbi's Wife #general

David Frey <dfrey@...>
 

In the tale of the Trip to Beshincovichi, written by yours truly a
year or two ago, see the Belarus Sig, I humbly suggested that the
purpose of my trip was to find some evidence that the family tale of
Rabbi Avram Isroel Gildenson was in some sense true. Upon finding the
"lost" cemetery of the town it became apparent that at least certain
facts were true. There was such a town. Some of the gravestones
suggested that members of my current family were named after their
parents or grandparents. However since the gravestones contained only
references such as Rifka, daughter of Rev. Mendel and some dates,
actual verification would be difficult.

One of the central components of the story of the Rabbi was that he
was married twice and his second wife was married three times. All we
knew of this prolific woman was that her first husband had the last
name of Steinhart by whom she bore a daughter named Elka Leah, the
second husband's name has been lost to history and the third was
named Gildenson, The Rabbi of the town, and possibly a student of
Menachem Mendal of Vitebsk.

But even though I found the cemetery, I found not one shred of direct
evidence that the family tale was true. The story passed on by my
Grandmother, Beila, and told to me by my mother was that the woman at
the centre of this saga was named "Frumma Chana, and that she owned
and ran a grocery store.

Tonight, this very night I looked through:

"The Vsia Rossiia translation team for the 1911 Vitebsk data:
Roberta Solit supplied the paper copies of Vsia Rossiia used in the
translation. The data was translated by Tom Gartman, Vitaly Charney
edited the data and supplied the list of abbreviations."

And to my amazement I did a search on Gildensohn and came up with:

Surname - GILDENSOHN
Given Name - Khava
Patronymic - Mord.
Occupation - Grocery Goods
Year - 1911
Column # - 407
Town - Beshenkovichi
Uyezd - Lepel
Gubernia - Vitebsk

So here it was, the first actual proof that someone name Khava
Gildenson, grocery store owner, actually existed. >from Frumme Chana
to Khava, daughter of Mordichi, is not such a big leap. Perhaps the
Mordichi that my uncle Morris the Doctor was named after, and
probably the Mother of Elka Leah, named after the first wife of the
Rabbi.

And just make the story complete, my lately departed Mother's name
was Elka Leah. I was with her for five years as she slowly died of
Alzheimer's.

And so while the details of the story are not complete, as they never
are, the G-d of my people, the G-d who I prayed to, while standing in
front of that overgrown cemetery, G-d granted me a pearl to wear in
my heart, as long as it lasts, and to pass on to my sons when it
finally gives out.

Baruch Ha Shem

David Frey
dfrey@bigpond.net.au

MODERATOR NOTE: The search performed was >from the Vsia Rossiia - "All
Russia" Business Directory 1903 & 1911 Minsk Gubernia, 1911 Mogilev
Gubernia, 1911 Vitebsk Gubernia provided by the Belarus SIG and searchable
at <http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/vsiabelarus.htm>.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: British genealogy website facility: how useful is it? #general

Stephen G. Esrati <stevsta@...>
 

I tried the site twice -- and crashed the computer.
The site allowed me to search but returned an error message saying that
what I was doing was not allowed. And then the computer crashed before I
could do anything else.

Stephen G. Esrati
Shaker Heights, OH

MBernet@aol.com wrote:
I tried, but.

1. This "Jewish Chronicle's family name search allowed me to make a
search on 3 family names, then stopped accepting more. In each case
I was told I would read the results in forthcoming issues of the Jewish
Chronicle.

2. They have a Genealogy site, which requires registration (free). I
could not get into this because my suggested passwords (alphabet,
alphanumeric) were all rejected without reason.

Can any of our British genners offer advice on how this works and what we
must do to get in?

MODERATOR NOTE: Also try <webmaster@thejc.com> . If a helpful response
is received, it can be posted here for the benefit of our readers.
MODERATOR NOTE: For technical problems, see the above Moderator Note.
Also, for information on this site, Sheila Toffell wrote: "It now appears
that they have re-vamped the site, ... , but the only way you can access
the genealogy section is by joining their "gold club". And how does one
join this illustrious body??? By subscribing to the actual newspaper."
Any further discussion of this website should continue privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen The "great website" #general

dorothy rivers <dotvic@...>
 

I agree with David Frey about the great website. I,too, tried it and got
the same results as he. I've decided to stick to Jewishgen and it's
recommendations >from now on.

Dorothy Auerbach Rivers New Mexico, USA dotvic@gilanet.com

Researching: AUERBACH - Riga, Lativia; Polotsk, Vitebsk Province, Belarus
HIRSOHN (and various spellings) - Riga, Lativia; Drisa, Belarus
BERGSTEIN - Ulanow, Poland
MAURER - Mielec, Poland
FASS - Tyzcyn, Poland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Polish Legion of French Army & POW's #general

Lifshitz-Krams Anne
 

Maybe I am mistaking, but I never heard of a Polish Legion in French army.
Are you sure it was not Forein Legion? A lot of Jews were engaged in this
Legion.
You can try and write to:
Legion Etrangere
Bureau des Anciens
Quartier Viennot BP 38
13998 Marseille Armée
But it is not sure you will have any document, First because I am not sure
they do anything by mail, Second because the delay for consulting these
documents is 120 years (150 years for medical documents).
In case they answer you it is impossible to give you any document because
of the delay, It is possible to ask for a derogation, write to:
General Chef du Service Historique de l'Armee de Terre
Pavillon des Armes
Vieux-Fort, Chateau de Vincennes
94300 Vincennes

If you want more informations concerning Military Archives in France,
write to:
[Mod. Note -- Name and address deleted per JewishGen privacy rules. Please
contact Anne Lifshitz-Krams for this information]

An other possibility that I suggest you to consider is that maybe he
engaged in the Resistant movement FTPMOI. Most of the people involved in
this movement were East European Jews.
Anne Lifshitz-Krams
Cercle de Genealogie juive
Paris (France)
http://www.genealoj.org

Elless <elless@aol.com> a écrit dans le message :

A cousin of my mother's was in the Polish Legion of the French
army in WW II. He was captured and spent the war in a series
of POW camps, each more harsh since he was an escaper.
Are there any records of the Legion and of POW camps.
Lewis Stein


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen The Tale of the Rabbi's Wife #general

David Frey <dfrey@...>
 

In the tale of the Trip to Beshincovichi, written by yours truly a
year or two ago, see the Belarus Sig, I humbly suggested that the
purpose of my trip was to find some evidence that the family tale of
Rabbi Avram Isroel Gildenson was in some sense true. Upon finding the
"lost" cemetery of the town it became apparent that at least certain
facts were true. There was such a town. Some of the gravestones
suggested that members of my current family were named after their
parents or grandparents. However since the gravestones contained only
references such as Rifka, daughter of Rev. Mendel and some dates,
actual verification would be difficult.

One of the central components of the story of the Rabbi was that he
was married twice and his second wife was married three times. All we
knew of this prolific woman was that her first husband had the last
name of Steinhart by whom she bore a daughter named Elka Leah, the
second husband's name has been lost to history and the third was
named Gildenson, The Rabbi of the town, and possibly a student of
Menachem Mendal of Vitebsk.

But even though I found the cemetery, I found not one shred of direct
evidence that the family tale was true. The story passed on by my
Grandmother, Beila, and told to me by my mother was that the woman at
the centre of this saga was named "Frumma Chana, and that she owned
and ran a grocery store.

Tonight, this very night I looked through:

"The Vsia Rossiia translation team for the 1911 Vitebsk data:
Roberta Solit supplied the paper copies of Vsia Rossiia used in the
translation. The data was translated by Tom Gartman, Vitaly Charney
edited the data and supplied the list of abbreviations."

And to my amazement I did a search on Gildensohn and came up with:

Surname - GILDENSOHN
Given Name - Khava
Patronymic - Mord.
Occupation - Grocery Goods
Year - 1911
Column # - 407
Town - Beshenkovichi
Uyezd - Lepel
Gubernia - Vitebsk

So here it was, the first actual proof that someone name Khava
Gildenson, grocery store owner, actually existed. >from Frumme Chana
to Khava, daughter of Mordichi, is not such a big leap. Perhaps the
Mordichi that my uncle Morris the Doctor was named after, and
probably the Mother of Elka Leah, named after the first wife of the
Rabbi.

And just make the story complete, my lately departed Mother's name
was Elka Leah. I was with her for five years as she slowly died of
Alzheimer's.

And so while the details of the story are not complete, as they never
are, the G-d of my people, the G-d who I prayed to, while standing in
front of that overgrown cemetery, G-d granted me a pearl to wear in
my heart, as long as it lasts, and to pass on to my sons when it
finally gives out.

Baruch Ha Shem

David Frey
dfrey@bigpond.net.au

MODERATOR NOTE: The search performed was >from the Vsia Rossiia - "All
Russia" Business Directory 1903 & 1911 Minsk Gubernia, 1911 Mogilev
Gubernia, 1911 Vitebsk Gubernia provided by the Belarus SIG and searchable
at <http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/vsiabelarus.htm>.


Search : BRAJTMAN #general

jm.wolfo@...
 

Dear JGenners

If someone has heard about Rah'el Brajtman born 1895-1900 in Kielce
(Poland) or suburbs ,who was maried to Moszek Wolfowicz and died in 1920
or 1921,
thank you for help
Jm Wolfowicz


Map of Melnitsa area #general

DStern13@...
 

My Grandfather is now writing his story of survival. In order to see the
route he took and to give him guidance I require urgently a detailed map
(i.e. military map)of this area which is Melnitsa(Mel'nitsa-Podol'skaya)
in the Ukraine.
Would anyone know where I could get such a map?
Your help is much appreciated!!

David Stern
(DStern13@aol.com)

MODERATOR NOTE: Since JewishGen cannot post recommendations for
commercial sellers of maps, please respond privately with any such
commercial recommendation.


Re: new genealogy website facility #general

Yaacov Slizak <yslizak@...>
 

This looks even funnier:

I managed to login using my old Jewish Chronicle Username and password,
submitted a couple of months ago.

I went to Family Ties, then Genealogy Search, and enter a surname for its
lookup. As a result of my search, I received the following:

"Thanks for your message. Read The JC for the results! "

Brilliant!

Yaacov Slizak (for email reply please remove the nospam >from the address)
Ennis, Co.Clare
Ireland

"SHEILA TOFFELL" <toffell@worldnet.att.net> wrote

Just to follow on to Harvey's posting. I was a JC reader in the UK, and
have checked out the web site most weeks to keep in touch. It now appears
that they have re-vamped the site, and admittedly there are some new
features, but the only way you can access ( among other goodies that were
previously unrestricted, like Evelyn Roses recipes) the genealogy section
is by joining their "gold club". And how does one join this illustrious
body??? By subscribing to the actual newspaper. I'm sure we can
understand why they are doing this, but some things should be accessible
as a public service, and the family finder should be. What a shame! I
shall be contacting the JC to voice my opinion.


Search: WOLFOWICZ #general

jm.wolfo@...
 

Dear JGenners
Looking desperately for Wolfowicz family in (or around) Kielce ,Poland
Thanks for help
jm Wolfowicz


Search:ABUSCH #general

jm.wolfo@...
 

Dear JGenners

If someone has heard about Samuel Abusch and children (Nathaniel,Haim and
sisters ),thank you for help.
Jm Wolfowicz


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Search : BRAJTMAN #general

jm.wolfo@...
 

Dear JGenners

If someone has heard about Rah'el Brajtman born 1895-1900 in Kielce
(Poland) or suburbs ,who was maried to Moszek Wolfowicz and died in 1920
or 1921,
thank you for help
Jm Wolfowicz


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Map of Melnitsa area #general

DStern13@...
 

My Grandfather is now writing his story of survival. In order to see the
route he took and to give him guidance I require urgently a detailed map
(i.e. military map)of this area which is Melnitsa(Mel'nitsa-Podol'skaya)
in the Ukraine.
Would anyone know where I could get such a map?
Your help is much appreciated!!

David Stern
(DStern13@aol.com)

MODERATOR NOTE: Since JewishGen cannot post recommendations for
commercial sellers of maps, please respond privately with any such
commercial recommendation.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: new genealogy website facility #general

Yaacov Slizak <yslizak@...>
 

This looks even funnier:

I managed to login using my old Jewish Chronicle Username and password,
submitted a couple of months ago.

I went to Family Ties, then Genealogy Search, and enter a surname for its
lookup. As a result of my search, I received the following:

"Thanks for your message. Read The JC for the results! "

Brilliant!

Yaacov Slizak (for email reply please remove the nospam >from the address)
Ennis, Co.Clare
Ireland

"SHEILA TOFFELL" <toffell@worldnet.att.net> wrote

Just to follow on to Harvey's posting. I was a JC reader in the UK, and
have checked out the web site most weeks to keep in touch. It now appears
that they have re-vamped the site, and admittedly there are some new
features, but the only way you can access ( among other goodies that were
previously unrestricted, like Evelyn Roses recipes) the genealogy section
is by joining their "gold club". And how does one join this illustrious
body??? By subscribing to the actual newspaper. I'm sure we can
understand why they are doing this, but some things should be accessible
as a public service, and the family finder should be. What a shame! I
shall be contacting the JC to voice my opinion.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Search: WOLFOWICZ #general

jm.wolfo@...
 

Dear JGenners
Looking desperately for Wolfowicz family in (or around) Kielce ,Poland
Thanks for help
jm Wolfowicz


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Search:ABUSCH #general

jm.wolfo@...
 

Dear JGenners

If someone has heard about Samuel Abusch and children (Nathaniel,Haim and
sisters ),thank you for help.
Jm Wolfowicz


Re: Nathan GELFAND, Sidney GELFAND, Ethel WEXLER #general

Errol Feldman <boaz@...>
 

There is a huge famil of GELFANDS in Montreal, Quebec....
Errol Feldman

From: "Howard S. Cohen" <howiedds@earthlink.net>

Nathan, Sidney, Ethel Gelfand Wexler were the children of a mother whose
maiden name was Alenik. They were >from Sharon Pennsylvania and Youngstown
Ohio. Nathan died in 2/1981 in Ca.? and Ethel married Leo Wexler and
lived in Cleveland. Her son's name may have been Arnold. Please help me
find this remaining branch of my great grandfather's family.


Thank You #general

ctf-vif@...
 

I try to remember to thank everyone personally when I reply to them, but
sometimes I have only a small amount of time and a lot of e-mail to read.

I thought, however, that I would take a moment to thank anyone that I have
not already thanked. I still don't have any real answers, but I do have
more ideas to try.

I plan to try to put a couple of other pictures on my website:
http://communities.msn.com/DixieVixensGenealogicalResearch
and possibly make some connections.

This is a new millennium and I have vowed to not let the secrets of the
past bind the children of the future as my ancestors have done.

Vicki Ina Friedman
Acworth, GA, USA
ctf-vif@mindspring.com
dixievixen@msn.com