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Re: Need ideas on naturalizations #general

Doug Cohen <DMCohen@...>
 

Have you found his ship-manifest? Starting around 1907-10 or something,
people who were naturalized had to submit a certificate >from the INS
documenting where, when, and what ship they arrived. When I found my gm's
manifest, there were numbers and a date pencilled next to it, which gave me
the approximate date of her naturalization.

Doug Cohen
Lexington, MA

Note New E-Mail Address:
DMC@dmcohen.com

<Aejordan@aol.com> wrote

I am looking for the naturalization of a family member who was named
Goodman COHN. As best I know he was always called Goodman but on his
tombstone it does tell me his full name was Avraham Goodman.

I have searched the US and NYC census records and I can trace Goodman and
his family >from 1900 to 1905, 1910, 1915, 1920, 1925. Somewhere between
1910 and 1915 he moved >from Manhattan to Brooklyn. Goodman does not show
up in city directories.

I want to find his naturalization records. According to the Census
despite the fact he arrived in the 1880s he is only shown to have
naturalized in 1915. The 1925 NY Census says in the naturalization
column "1915-NY" -- and that's where the mystery begins.

I checked with the NARA records in NYC. I checked with the Manhattan
records. I checked in Brooklyn. Nothing. I mailed away to the
Immigration and Naturalization Service in Washington, DC with all of
the details I have and they just wrote back and said they could not
find it.

Goodman died in the late 1920s, but his wife Jennie lived on in New York
until her death in around 1947.

Now what do I do? Do I assume Goodman never naturalized? Do I assume
the records are lost? Do I give up?


Seeking guidance re Victorian London synagogues/cemeteries #lithuania

David Gordon <dgordon@...>
 

My great-grandfather, Louis (Lazar) Gordon was born in Lithuania in
1866 or 1872.

Question 1. The passenger manifest lists his birthplace as Vilna. Later, right next to that, someone wrote in pencil, Kovno, but without crossing out Vilna. Can anyone explain which city I should be searching in for my family?

Question 2. My great-grandfather came to England at some point, whether alone or with his family is unclear. He married my great-grandmother, Flora (Bluma) Levin(e) at the "East London Synagogue" in 1894. They
listed their address as 34 Grey Eagle Street. The birth certificate for their eldest son, Nathan, lists their address as 28 Spital Street. My great-great grandfather, Nathan (presumably for whom his grandson was named) is named on the wedding certificate as deceased. Where ought I to look, synagogue or cemetery, for any records pertaining to Nathan, on the off-chance that he came to London and died there?

Thanks for your help.
David Gordon
dgordon@interaccess.com
Chicago, Illinois

Searching:
HORWITZ: Smolevichi, Lapichi, Bobruisk?, GORDON: Kovno (or Vilna?)
GEBALOVITCH: Borisov, LEVIN: Kaunas, DRAZIN: Bobruisk
BENENSON: Borisov, HURWITZ: Gomel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Need ideas on naturalizations #general

Doug Cohen <DMCohen@...>
 

Have you found his ship-manifest? Starting around 1907-10 or something,
people who were naturalized had to submit a certificate >from the INS
documenting where, when, and what ship they arrived. When I found my gm's
manifest, there were numbers and a date pencilled next to it, which gave me
the approximate date of her naturalization.

Doug Cohen
Lexington, MA

Note New E-Mail Address:
DMC@dmcohen.com

<Aejordan@aol.com> wrote

I am looking for the naturalization of a family member who was named
Goodman COHN. As best I know he was always called Goodman but on his
tombstone it does tell me his full name was Avraham Goodman.

I have searched the US and NYC census records and I can trace Goodman and
his family >from 1900 to 1905, 1910, 1915, 1920, 1925. Somewhere between
1910 and 1915 he moved >from Manhattan to Brooklyn. Goodman does not show
up in city directories.

I want to find his naturalization records. According to the Census
despite the fact he arrived in the 1880s he is only shown to have
naturalized in 1915. The 1925 NY Census says in the naturalization
column "1915-NY" -- and that's where the mystery begins.

I checked with the NARA records in NYC. I checked with the Manhattan
records. I checked in Brooklyn. Nothing. I mailed away to the
Immigration and Naturalization Service in Washington, DC with all of
the details I have and they just wrote back and said they could not
find it.

Goodman died in the late 1920s, but his wife Jennie lived on in New York
until her death in around 1947.

Now what do I do? Do I assume Goodman never naturalized? Do I assume
the records are lost? Do I give up?


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Seeking guidance re Victorian London synagogues/cemeteries #lithuania

David Gordon <dgordon@...>
 

My great-grandfather, Louis (Lazar) Gordon was born in Lithuania in
1866 or 1872.

Question 1. The passenger manifest lists his birthplace as Vilna. Later, right next to that, someone wrote in pencil, Kovno, but without crossing out Vilna. Can anyone explain which city I should be searching in for my family?

Question 2. My great-grandfather came to England at some point, whether alone or with his family is unclear. He married my great-grandmother, Flora (Bluma) Levin(e) at the "East London Synagogue" in 1894. They
listed their address as 34 Grey Eagle Street. The birth certificate for their eldest son, Nathan, lists their address as 28 Spital Street. My great-great grandfather, Nathan (presumably for whom his grandson was named) is named on the wedding certificate as deceased. Where ought I to look, synagogue or cemetery, for any records pertaining to Nathan, on the off-chance that he came to London and died there?

Thanks for your help.
David Gordon
dgordon@interaccess.com
Chicago, Illinois

Searching:
HORWITZ: Smolevichi, Lapichi, Bobruisk?, GORDON: Kovno (or Vilna?)
GEBALOVITCH: Borisov, LEVIN: Kaunas, DRAZIN: Bobruisk
BENENSON: Borisov, HURWITZ: Gomel


Help with Yiddish/Hebrew Translation -- ViewMate #general

Don Einbinder <donjein@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I have posted handwriting found on the back of a picture postcard of my
great-grandparents Samuel Nathaniel SCHNEIDER/SCHNEIDERMAN. Any help
with the translation would be greatly appreciated.

It is to be found on the ViewMate site
(http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html).
The file is VM320.

Thank you,

Don Einbinder
Tamarac, FL

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Help with Yiddish/Hebrew Translation -- ViewMate #general

Don Einbinder <donjein@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I have posted handwriting found on the back of a picture postcard of my
great-grandparents Samuel Nathaniel SCHNEIDER/SCHNEIDERMAN. Any help
with the translation would be greatly appreciated.

It is to be found on the ViewMate site
(http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html).
The file is VM320.

Thank you,

Don Einbinder
Tamarac, FL

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately.


Re: Researching HORN #ukraine

Asparagirl <asparagirl@...>
 

Alice R Keppler wrote:

My grandfather, Jacob HORN (Americanized name) was born around
1886 in a town called Hatim (?) (Chotine?). Supposedly, this town may
have been at "the base of the Carpathian Mtns".
This town is almost certainly the town of Chotin (Chotyn), which is now
located at the southern tip of the Ukraine, just north of the country of
Moldova. It used to be part of the area known as Bessarabia, and is just
northeast of the Carpathian Mountains (not to mention just northwest of my
ancestral hometown of Lipkany / Lipcani, Moldova).

The reason I find the Tuchin site interesting is my Great Aunt
Tina Horn had told me that the last name HORN was "not pronouncable in
English," but sounded like GUERIN or GOREN--which is a match for the
name of the town I mention above.
G's and H's are pronounced the same in Ukrainian; my family has a HALPERIN
surname that has been variously referred to as GELBER (and they do *sound* a
little alike if you assume the G and H sound the same)- this was the family
from Lipkany, incidentally.
You might want to also check out ROM-SIG (the Romanian Special Interest
group), also available through JewishGen, for more information on the area.

Good luck in your search! :-)


- Brooke Schreier
Philadelphia, PA

http://www.asparagirl.com/


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Researching HORN #ukraine

Asparagirl <asparagirl@...>
 

Alice R Keppler wrote:

My grandfather, Jacob HORN (Americanized name) was born around
1886 in a town called Hatim (?) (Chotine?). Supposedly, this town may
have been at "the base of the Carpathian Mtns".
This town is almost certainly the town of Chotin (Chotyn), which is now
located at the southern tip of the Ukraine, just north of the country of
Moldova. It used to be part of the area known as Bessarabia, and is just
northeast of the Carpathian Mountains (not to mention just northwest of my
ancestral hometown of Lipkany / Lipcani, Moldova).

The reason I find the Tuchin site interesting is my Great Aunt
Tina Horn had told me that the last name HORN was "not pronouncable in
English," but sounded like GUERIN or GOREN--which is a match for the
name of the town I mention above.
G's and H's are pronounced the same in Ukrainian; my family has a HALPERIN
surname that has been variously referred to as GELBER (and they do *sound* a
little alike if you assume the G and H sound the same)- this was the family
from Lipkany, incidentally.
You might want to also check out ROM-SIG (the Romanian Special Interest
group), also available through JewishGen, for more information on the area.

Good luck in your search! :-)


- Brooke Schreier
Philadelphia, PA

http://www.asparagirl.com/


researching Krasnostav #ukraine

Alan Solomon <eastfour@...>
 

I'm searching for any information about the town of Krasnostav in the
Ukraine.
Any information or places to find it would be greatly appreciated.

thanks,

Alan Solomon


Moderator Note: Try Jewish Gen's Shtetl Seeker http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine researching Krasnostav #ukraine

Alan Solomon <eastfour@...>
 

I'm searching for any information about the town of Krasnostav in the
Ukraine.
Any information or places to find it would be greatly appreciated.

thanks,

Alan Solomon


Moderator Note: Try Jewish Gen's Shtetl Seeker http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/


Re: Passenger arrivals pre-1850 #usa

Gladys Paulin <gp21603@...>
 

Rachel,
You probably only need to do four years.

There is an index to New York arrivals for the period 1820 to 1846. It is
NARA microfilm file M261, contains 103 rolls of microfilm in alphabetical
order. The Mormons also have these films.
Gladys

Gladys Friedman Paulin
Winter Park, FL
Professional Genealogist

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Dennis Baer has proposed in German SIG leading a project to index a
small number of arrivals in New York >from Germany for 1848. It was
pointed out by others that a large number of immigrants did not
arrive via New York during that era, but came through New Orleans or
Baltimore.

I think an ideal first project for Early American SIG might be to
choose a year and a port (pre-1850, as that is when "Germans to
America" starts--I know it's not complete, but it would be good to
start with something that hasn't been done at all) and work on
indexing/transcribing ship arrivals into the US. Most of the projects
ongoing I know of are for much later eras. I believe the lists should
be available on microfilm through the LDS (although I have not
checked this).

Who would be interested in working on such a project (more
importantly, we need a leader) and what year/port would be a good
starting point? Since we only have a bit over 100 members, we should
probably start with something fairly small.

Write to the list and propose a year and a port--hopefully we can
find a combination that a lot of people are interested in so that it
will be easy to find volunteers.

Perhaps it can be a joint project between Early American SIG and German SIG.

--
Rachel Unkefer
Charlottesville, VA
runkefer@cstone.net

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Early American SIG #USA Re: Passenger arrivals pre-1850 #usa

Gladys Paulin <gp21603@...>
 

Rachel,
You probably only need to do four years.

There is an index to New York arrivals for the period 1820 to 1846. It is
NARA microfilm file M261, contains 103 rolls of microfilm in alphabetical
order. The Mormons also have these films.
Gladys

Gladys Friedman Paulin
Winter Park, FL
Professional Genealogist

On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Rachel Unkefer wrote:

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Dennis Baer has proposed in German SIG leading a project to index a
small number of arrivals in New York >from Germany for 1848. It was
pointed out by others that a large number of immigrants did not
arrive via New York during that era, but came through New Orleans or
Baltimore.

I think an ideal first project for Early American SIG might be to
choose a year and a port (pre-1850, as that is when "Germans to
America" starts--I know it's not complete, but it would be good to
start with something that hasn't been done at all) and work on
indexing/transcribing ship arrivals into the US. Most of the projects
ongoing I know of are for much later eras. I believe the lists should
be available on microfilm through the LDS (although I have not
checked this).

Who would be interested in working on such a project (more
importantly, we need a leader) and what year/port would be a good
starting point? Since we only have a bit over 100 members, we should
probably start with something fairly small.

Write to the list and propose a year and a port--hopefully we can
find a combination that a lot of people are interested in so that it
will be easy to find volunteers.

Perhaps it can be a joint project between Early American SIG and German SIG.

--
Rachel Unkefer
Charlottesville, VA
runkefer@cstone.net

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Visit the Jewishgen home page at http://www.jewishgen.org

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To post to the Early American SIG Discussion Group, send your message to: earlyamerican@lyris.jewishgen.org

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Re: Holocaust survivor book #general

Hafcjf@...
 

Paula Zieselman, >from NY, spoke of a multi-volume set of Holocaust
survivors issued last year by the US Holocaust Museum. Can anyone tell me
the actual name of the book so that I can request it through inter-library
loan?

I have used this book: Benjamin and Vladka Meed Register of Jewish
Holocaust Survivors, pub. in 1966 by the US Holocaust Memorial Museum. It
lists American and Canadian survivors. Vol. 1 lists the people by name and
Vol. 2 lists them by hometown.

For those who are interested in this book, due to privacy reasons, you get
little more than the names. Sometimes it shows the cities these people
traveled to on the road to survival. For instance, it may give a string of
place names such as "Brzeziny, Lodz, Auschwitz." They say that they will
not release any other information, but I've been told that one can contact
the museum and they will forward correspondence. I don't know personally
if this is true. As Paula says, if you are researching a specific town
(particularly if it's a small shtetl) Vol. 2 can be quite helpful.

This 2 volume set proved no problem to obtain via inter-library loan. I'd
like to know if the volume Paula speaks of, pub. last year, is a reprint
of these earlier volumes or if perhaps it has been expanded to include
survivors in the entire world. I'd be grateful for any help.

Thanks,

Cathy J. Flamholtz
Lawrenceville, GA
hafcjf@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Holocaust survivor book #general

Hafcjf@...
 

Paula Zieselman, >from NY, spoke of a multi-volume set of Holocaust
survivors issued last year by the US Holocaust Museum. Can anyone tell me
the actual name of the book so that I can request it through inter-library
loan?

I have used this book: Benjamin and Vladka Meed Register of Jewish
Holocaust Survivors, pub. in 1966 by the US Holocaust Memorial Museum. It
lists American and Canadian survivors. Vol. 1 lists the people by name and
Vol. 2 lists them by hometown.

For those who are interested in this book, due to privacy reasons, you get
little more than the names. Sometimes it shows the cities these people
traveled to on the road to survival. For instance, it may give a string of
place names such as "Brzeziny, Lodz, Auschwitz." They say that they will
not release any other information, but I've been told that one can contact
the museum and they will forward correspondence. I don't know personally
if this is true. As Paula says, if you are researching a specific town
(particularly if it's a small shtetl) Vol. 2 can be quite helpful.

This 2 volume set proved no problem to obtain via inter-library loan. I'd
like to know if the volume Paula speaks of, pub. last year, is a reprint
of these earlier volumes or if perhaps it has been expanded to include
survivors in the entire world. I'd be grateful for any help.

Thanks,

Cathy J. Flamholtz
Lawrenceville, GA
hafcjf@aol.com


Jews and non-Jews with the same surnames #belarus

Jrbaston
 

There can be another possible benefit -- other than potential family
relationship -- to being contacted by someone with the same surname who is
not Jewish. If these people have roots >from the same area as our Jewish
ancestors, we can learn general information we might not have known about the
towns in which our families lived.

While my roots on my father's side are in the Vilna / Eishishok / Lida area
(he was born in Eishishok), my mother was born in Nur, Lomza Gubernia,
northeastern Poland. Alexander Beider has noted that more than half the Jews
in the eastern part of Lomza Gubernia had surnames also used by Polish
Catholics.

I've been contacted by quite a few PIANKAs, JASKOLKAs, and PIASCIKs whose
family was Catholic. In exchanging messages, I think we were both able to
provide information about ancestral towns and even research resources that
the other didn't know.

Judy Baston
JRBaston@aol.com
San Francisco, CA, USA


Belarus SIG #Belarus Jews and non-Jews with the same surnames #belarus

Jrbaston
 

There can be another possible benefit -- other than potential family
relationship -- to being contacted by someone with the same surname who is
not Jewish. If these people have roots >from the same area as our Jewish
ancestors, we can learn general information we might not have known about the
towns in which our families lived.

While my roots on my father's side are in the Vilna / Eishishok / Lida area
(he was born in Eishishok), my mother was born in Nur, Lomza Gubernia,
northeastern Poland. Alexander Beider has noted that more than half the Jews
in the eastern part of Lomza Gubernia had surnames also used by Polish
Catholics.

I've been contacted by quite a few PIANKAs, JASKOLKAs, and PIASCIKs whose
family was Catholic. In exchanging messages, I think we were both able to
provide information about ancestral towns and even research resources that
the other didn't know.

Judy Baston
JRBaston@aol.com
San Francisco, CA, USA


Jewish Encyclopedia #belarus

Meshenberg, Michael J. <mjmeshenberg@...>
 

I'd like to address two comments related to my posting yesterday about the
Jewish Encyclopedia.

Udi Cain wrote:
That encyclopaedia contains also articles about individuals and I suppose
more. Don't you think that the idea should be that anyone, who is
interested in
any subject, out of that encyclopaedia, would be asked to volunteer, to
type
his choice for all of us. One never knows what and when any article will be
for the benefit of the research etc.
We're working on shtetl articles rather than names or other topics for
several reasons:
1. They're of the greatest interest to the greatest number of our members.
2. We have a clear place to post them, in the specific Shtetls of Belarus
pages. It's not clear where other articles might be placed.
3. It's better to concentrate our limited resources, including not
overburdening or abusing Judy, rather than spreading ourselves too thin.

Of course, individuals willing to work on articles of interest to them are
always encouraged to do so.

Ernie Fine wrote:
Why is this being retyped instead of scanned and OCR'd? Is the print
quality that bad that it
won't OCR properly?
Asked and answered by Dave Fox last week. It didn't scan well. Also, the
articles are generally fairly short so that retyping is not much of a chore.

Mike Meshenberg
Research Coordinator, Belarus SIG


Belarus SIG #Belarus Jewish Encyclopedia #belarus

Meshenberg, Michael J. <mjmeshenberg@...>
 

I'd like to address two comments related to my posting yesterday about the
Jewish Encyclopedia.

Udi Cain wrote:
That encyclopaedia contains also articles about individuals and I suppose
more. Don't you think that the idea should be that anyone, who is
interested in
any subject, out of that encyclopaedia, would be asked to volunteer, to
type
his choice for all of us. One never knows what and when any article will be
for the benefit of the research etc.
We're working on shtetl articles rather than names or other topics for
several reasons:
1. They're of the greatest interest to the greatest number of our members.
2. We have a clear place to post them, in the specific Shtetls of Belarus
pages. It's not clear where other articles might be placed.
3. It's better to concentrate our limited resources, including not
overburdening or abusing Judy, rather than spreading ourselves too thin.

Of course, individuals willing to work on articles of interest to them are
always encouraged to do so.

Ernie Fine wrote:
Why is this being retyped instead of scanned and OCR'd? Is the print
quality that bad that it
won't OCR properly?
Asked and answered by Dave Fox last week. It didn't scan well. Also, the
articles are generally fairly short so that retyping is not much of a chore.

Mike Meshenberg
Research Coordinator, Belarus SIG


Re: Volunteers #belarus

ComputerCarolyn@...
 

To those who have volunteered -- or are interested in volunteering -- to
type articles >from the Jewish Encyclopedia for use in the Shtetls of Belarus
web pages:

Having already offered to copy and mail articles, Judy Floam has now agreed
to maintain records of who is doing what to avoid duplication. We're
confident that the copyright has long since expired. So, let's follow these
steps:

1. Contact Judy at <gfloam@netrax.net> to volunteer to type either specific
shtetls or others that might be assigned. Include your postal address.
(She's already been in touch with many of you.)
2. Judy will check to see if there is an article for your shtetl. Most
smaller ones are not included.
3. She'll copy and mail the article(s) to you and let you know by e-mail
which article(s) you should type up.
4. Type the text of the article into an MS Word file, and send it by e-mail
to Edward Rosenbaum <erosenbaum@mail.com>, with a copy to Judy so she can
cross it off her list. If you don't have access to Word, use any word
processing file and save as an MSWord file or, if necessary, as a generic
text (ASCII) file.
5. Edward will review the text and upload it to the appropriate shtetl page.
Periodic announcements will be made of new articles posted.

Happily, there seem to be a number of volunteers who offered to type any
shtetl. So even if you can't volunteer yourself, please let Judy know what
shtetls you'd like to have typed and she'll assign it to someone.

Thanks to Judy and to all who have volunteered.

Mike Meshenberg
Belarus SIG Research Coordinator


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Volunteers #belarus

ComputerCarolyn@...
 

To those who have volunteered -- or are interested in volunteering -- to
type articles >from the Jewish Encyclopedia for use in the Shtetls of Belarus
web pages:

Having already offered to copy and mail articles, Judy Floam has now agreed
to maintain records of who is doing what to avoid duplication. We're
confident that the copyright has long since expired. So, let's follow these
steps:

1. Contact Judy at <gfloam@netrax.net> to volunteer to type either specific
shtetls or others that might be assigned. Include your postal address.
(She's already been in touch with many of you.)
2. Judy will check to see if there is an article for your shtetl. Most
smaller ones are not included.
3. She'll copy and mail the article(s) to you and let you know by e-mail
which article(s) you should type up.
4. Type the text of the article into an MS Word file, and send it by e-mail
to Edward Rosenbaum <erosenbaum@mail.com>, with a copy to Judy so she can
cross it off her list. If you don't have access to Word, use any word
processing file and save as an MSWord file or, if necessary, as a generic
text (ASCII) file.
5. Edward will review the text and upload it to the appropriate shtetl page.
Periodic announcements will be made of new articles posted.

Happily, there seem to be a number of volunteers who offered to type any
shtetl. So even if you can't volunteer yourself, please let Judy know what
shtetls you'd like to have typed and she'll assign it to someone.

Thanks to Judy and to all who have volunteered.

Mike Meshenberg
Belarus SIG Research Coordinator