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Researching HORN #ukraine

Alice R Keppler <lfoabbey1@...>
 

I am trying to research both sides of my family and am having a
very difficult time because: 1) All of those "who knew the answers" are
unfortunatly deceased and, 2) I believe that all the surnames have been
Americanized.
I recently found at this website a posting which mentioned a town
Turchin. I went to the website and found that a town by the name of
Gorin'grad (Polish: Horyngrod) is mentioned. This is what I know about
my father's family:
My grandfather, Jacob HORN (Americanized name) was born around
1886 in a town called Hatim (?) (Chotine?). Supposedly, this town may
have been at "the base of the Carpathian Mtns". My great
grandparents,Avram Meyer HORN (?) and Bertha ZIMMERMAN, had an inn or
stage coach stop, or somehow provided transportation, and were purveyors
of spices. They had sons: Jacob, Sol, Phil, Sam, George, and Pincus, and
daughters, Fanny an Tina.

Bertha was widowed at 36. Jacob, my grandfather, "did something" and
had to be secretly removed >from the country. He came to the US about
1902, alone, and ended up in Newark, NJ. He managed to bring his mother
and siblings to the US. He married Bertha SCHAEFFER (sp?) and had 3
children: Alfred Melvin (my father), Ruth, and June. Jacob became a
carpenter and built many homes in the Newark, NJ area. When his wife
Bertha passed away, he re-married and moved to Los Angeles where he
lived until about 1956.
The reason I find the Tuchin site interesting is my Great Aunt
Tina Horn had told me that the last name HORN was "not pronouncable in
English," but sounded like GUERIN or GOREN--which is a match for the
name of the town I mention above. Also, that Polish pronounciation
is similar to HORN--look its a shot in the dark, but maybe I'm getting
close, even though I had never heard that the town (Hatim) was Polish.
Does this strike a chord with anyone?

Also, if anyone can point me in a direction to research this family, I'd
appreciate it. So far, I can't get started, even the Mormon Website
isn't giving me information on my grandparents. Thank You
Alice Horn Keppler


Complaints about SPAM and unsolicited mail #ukraine

haflo <haflo@...>
 

From: cskydell@jewishgen.org
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 21:43:13 EST

Folks,

JewishGen is receiving an increasing number of complaints regarding
unsolicited mail >from a variety of organizations of potential Jewish
interest, as well as plain vanilla SPAM >from all kinds of businesses.

To help you all better understand the situation here are some pointers.

JewishGen does not ever sell or lend to any organization the e-mail
addresses or names of the subscribers to any of our lists.

The JewishGen Discussion Group is mirrored to the Usenet newsgroup
soc.genealogy.jewish and is therefore a public list. Not only are our
archives searchable by anyone with an interest, messages can be retrieved
from soc.genealogy.jewish and archived in programs such as Dejanews
<www.deja.com>

If you are subscribed to one of the SIG or Research Group mailing lists
hosted by JewishGen, be assured that these are not public but private
lists. These messages are not mirrored to anything, only subscribers to
the list may post or receive the messages. While it is true that
'outsiders' could search the SIG or Research Group archived messages, they
would have to know how to find them. Not an impossible task, if you know
where to look.

The only other way we have of protecting these lists and the e-mail
addresses of the subscribers if by relying on the integrity of the
subscribers. While some of you may believe that you are helping people by
providing their names to other lists, this is a violation of the way
JewishGen operates the private list. Please, under no circumstances
provide information >from a private list to anyone.

The most secure way of protecting lists is through passworded access,
however programs of that nature would cost us $50,000 if not more.
We do not have that kind of financial strength, nor do we have the
'volunteerpower' to set up a help desk where people can report abuse. A
good bit of this you can do on your own when you receive unsolicited mail.

First address the abuse division of the ISP >from whence the message came.
For example if it came >from XYZ.com you'd address abuse@XYZ.com,
include a copy of the unsolicited mail as well as the full header and
advise abuse@XYZ.com that you have received unwanted mail >from one of
their users and since this is a violation of any user agreement you would
appreciate if they would take the appropriate steps in cancelling the account.


Second when you get SPAM messages, check to see if you have ever posted a
message to any usenet newsgroup. If you can verify that you have not and
think the message may have originated because of your address being in a
SIG or Research Group mailing list, please notify support@jewishgen.org
giving all the particulars.

We hope this helps you to better understand the situation on all levels.
JewishGen is concerned, but as you can see there is little we can do to
prevent your addresses >from being captured by SPAMMERS.

Carol

Carol W. Skydell, Vice President
JewishGen Operations
cskydell@jewishgen.org


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Researching HORN #ukraine

Alice R Keppler <lfoabbey1@...>
 

I am trying to research both sides of my family and am having a
very difficult time because: 1) All of those "who knew the answers" are
unfortunatly deceased and, 2) I believe that all the surnames have been
Americanized.
I recently found at this website a posting which mentioned a town
Turchin. I went to the website and found that a town by the name of
Gorin'grad (Polish: Horyngrod) is mentioned. This is what I know about
my father's family:
My grandfather, Jacob HORN (Americanized name) was born around
1886 in a town called Hatim (?) (Chotine?). Supposedly, this town may
have been at "the base of the Carpathian Mtns". My great
grandparents,Avram Meyer HORN (?) and Bertha ZIMMERMAN, had an inn or
stage coach stop, or somehow provided transportation, and were purveyors
of spices. They had sons: Jacob, Sol, Phil, Sam, George, and Pincus, and
daughters, Fanny an Tina.

Bertha was widowed at 36. Jacob, my grandfather, "did something" and
had to be secretly removed >from the country. He came to the US about
1902, alone, and ended up in Newark, NJ. He managed to bring his mother
and siblings to the US. He married Bertha SCHAEFFER (sp?) and had 3
children: Alfred Melvin (my father), Ruth, and June. Jacob became a
carpenter and built many homes in the Newark, NJ area. When his wife
Bertha passed away, he re-married and moved to Los Angeles where he
lived until about 1956.
The reason I find the Tuchin site interesting is my Great Aunt
Tina Horn had told me that the last name HORN was "not pronouncable in
English," but sounded like GUERIN or GOREN--which is a match for the
name of the town I mention above. Also, that Polish pronounciation
is similar to HORN--look its a shot in the dark, but maybe I'm getting
close, even though I had never heard that the town (Hatim) was Polish.
Does this strike a chord with anyone?

Also, if anyone can point me in a direction to research this family, I'd
appreciate it. So far, I can't get started, even the Mormon Website
isn't giving me information on my grandparents. Thank You
Alice Horn Keppler


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Complaints about SPAM and unsolicited mail #ukraine

haflo <haflo@...>
 

From: cskydell@jewishgen.org
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 21:43:13 EST

Folks,

JewishGen is receiving an increasing number of complaints regarding
unsolicited mail >from a variety of organizations of potential Jewish
interest, as well as plain vanilla SPAM >from all kinds of businesses.

To help you all better understand the situation here are some pointers.

JewishGen does not ever sell or lend to any organization the e-mail
addresses or names of the subscribers to any of our lists.

The JewishGen Discussion Group is mirrored to the Usenet newsgroup
soc.genealogy.jewish and is therefore a public list. Not only are our
archives searchable by anyone with an interest, messages can be retrieved
from soc.genealogy.jewish and archived in programs such as Dejanews
<www.deja.com>

If you are subscribed to one of the SIG or Research Group mailing lists
hosted by JewishGen, be assured that these are not public but private
lists. These messages are not mirrored to anything, only subscribers to
the list may post or receive the messages. While it is true that
'outsiders' could search the SIG or Research Group archived messages, they
would have to know how to find them. Not an impossible task, if you know
where to look.

The only other way we have of protecting these lists and the e-mail
addresses of the subscribers if by relying on the integrity of the
subscribers. While some of you may believe that you are helping people by
providing their names to other lists, this is a violation of the way
JewishGen operates the private list. Please, under no circumstances
provide information >from a private list to anyone.

The most secure way of protecting lists is through passworded access,
however programs of that nature would cost us $50,000 if not more.
We do not have that kind of financial strength, nor do we have the
'volunteerpower' to set up a help desk where people can report abuse. A
good bit of this you can do on your own when you receive unsolicited mail.

First address the abuse division of the ISP >from whence the message came.
For example if it came >from XYZ.com you'd address abuse@XYZ.com,
include a copy of the unsolicited mail as well as the full header and
advise abuse@XYZ.com that you have received unwanted mail >from one of
their users and since this is a violation of any user agreement you would
appreciate if they would take the appropriate steps in cancelling the account.


Second when you get SPAM messages, check to see if you have ever posted a
message to any usenet newsgroup. If you can verify that you have not and
think the message may have originated because of your address being in a
SIG or Research Group mailing list, please notify support@jewishgen.org
giving all the particulars.

We hope this helps you to better understand the situation on all levels.
JewishGen is concerned, but as you can see there is little we can do to
prevent your addresses >from being captured by SPAMMERS.

Carol

Carol W. Skydell, Vice President
JewishGen Operations
cskydell@jewishgen.org


Re: List of European Jews Killed in Belarus #belarus

Norma Brewer <nlbrewer@...>
 

Dear Dave
This is something I am most anxious to see- as I believe my cousins were
killed during the Russo-Finnish offensivce in 1942- at klweast, we never
heard >from them after that
Norma Brewer
nlbrewer@btinternet.com
Subject: List of European Jews Killed in Belarus


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: List of European Jews Killed in Belarus #belarus

Norma Brewer <nlbrewer@...>
 

Dear Dave
This is something I am most anxious to see- as I believe my cousins were
killed during the Russo-Finnish offensivce in 1942- at klweast, we never
heard >from them after that
Norma Brewer
nlbrewer@btinternet.com
Subject: List of European Jews Killed in Belarus


: Jewish Encyclopedia #belarus

Udi Cain
 

Happily, there seem to be a number of volunteers who offered to type any
shtetl. So even if you can't volunteer yourself, please let Judy know what
shtetls you'd like to have typed and she'll assign it to someone.

Thanks to Judy and to all who have volunteered.

Mike Meshenberg
Belarus SIG Research Coordinator
Dear Mike et al.

That encyclopaedia contains also articles about individuals and I suppose
more.
Don't you think that the idea should be that anyone, who is interested in
any subject, out of that encyclopaedia, would be asked to volunteer, to type
his choice for all of us. One never knows what and when any article will be
for the benefit of the research etc.

Best regards. Udi Cain.


Belarus SIG #Belarus : Jewish Encyclopedia #belarus

Udi Cain
 

Happily, there seem to be a number of volunteers who offered to type any
shtetl. So even if you can't volunteer yourself, please let Judy know what
shtetls you'd like to have typed and she'll assign it to someone.

Thanks to Judy and to all who have volunteered.

Mike Meshenberg
Belarus SIG Research Coordinator
Dear Mike et al.

That encyclopaedia contains also articles about individuals and I suppose
more.
Don't you think that the idea should be that anyone, who is interested in
any subject, out of that encyclopaedia, would be asked to volunteer, to type
his choice for all of us. One never knows what and when any article will be
for the benefit of the research etc.

Best regards. Udi Cain.


Jewish and non-Jewish families sharing the same last name: LEWAK #belarus

vivienne kay <viviennekay@...>
 

Dave Lewak's comments re Jewish and non-Jewish families sharing the same
last name is all too familiar to me.

My family name SHILKIN is very uncommon in Australia. In fact, all Shilkins
in Australia are related to either my grandfather or his two brothers - who
came >from Beshenkovichi to Perth, Western Australia in the early 1900s.

Through the internet, I tracked down a couple of SHILKINs, one in St
Petersburg, one in Penza. Both were very interested and keen to communicate
with me and share a little bit of information, but the minute I asked if
they had Jewish backgrounds, they did not reply, despite my sending another
couple of emails!!

Since these two episodes, I've found that in the Moscow and St Petersburg
phonebooks alone, there are heaps of Shilkins, who all appear to have
Russian names, unlike my grandfather and his brothers whose names were quite
'biblical'.

I also tracked down a family of Shilkins in the States. Same thing, when I
asked the question of jewish background, they no longer replied.

Since my 'rejections', I admit I have become a bit discouraged and have
certainly not had the same zeal that I had when I first started to look into
the family tree. I guess it makes me feel better to know I'm not alone!!

Regards
Vivienne Shilkin
Melbourne, Australia


Belarus SIG #Belarus Fwd: Jewish and non-Jewish families sharing the same last name: LEWAK #belarus

vivienne kay <viviennekay@...>
 

Dave Lewak's comments re Jewish and non-Jewish families sharing the same
last name is all too familiar to me.

My family name SHILKIN is very uncommon in Australia. In fact, all Shilkins
in Australia are related to either my grandfather or his two brothers - who
came >from Beshenkovichi to Perth, Western Australia in the early 1900s.

Through the internet, I tracked down a couple of SHILKINs, one in St
Petersburg, one in Penza. Both were very interested and keen to communicate
with me and share a little bit of information, but the minute I asked if
they had Jewish backgrounds, they did not reply, despite my sending another
couple of emails!!

Since these two episodes, I've found that in the Moscow and St Petersburg
phonebooks alone, there are heaps of Shilkins, who all appear to have
Russian names, unlike my grandfather and his brothers whose names were quite
'biblical'.

I also tracked down a family of Shilkins in the States. Same thing, when I
asked the question of jewish background, they no longer replied.

Since my 'rejections', I admit I have become a bit discouraged and have
certainly not had the same zeal that I had when I first started to look into
the family tree. I guess it makes me feel better to know I'm not alone!!

Regards
Vivienne Shilkin
Melbourne, Australia


Re: Jewish and non-Jewish sharing of name - SVESHNIKOV (or SWESNIKOFF) #belarus

nyzvezi@...
 

In researching the family name SVESHNIKOV into which my Great Aunt SONYA
TSIPIN or ZIPIN married around the turn of the 19th century in
ST PETERSBURG, I contacted several SVESHNIKOVS in various locations
here and in Eastern European countries. One sent me a list >from the
Moscow and St. Petersburg telephone directories (in Cyrillic no less)
that indicated many dozens of SVESHNIKOVS. Many of these are surely
non-Jewish although the one my aunt married was certainly Jewish.
I also learned there is a famous Sveshnikov/Sicilian chess opening.

I am searching for SVESHNIKOVS , AND BURTINS , METRIKINS AND
BESPROZVANNYA/ BESPROSVANNI.

Norman Zelvin, Eastchester, New York <nyzvezi@banet.net>


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Re: Jewish and non-Jewish sharing of name - SVESHNIKOV (or SWESNIKOFF) #belarus

nyzvezi@...
 

In researching the family name SVESHNIKOV into which my Great Aunt SONYA
TSIPIN or ZIPIN married around the turn of the 19th century in
ST PETERSBURG, I contacted several SVESHNIKOVS in various locations
here and in Eastern European countries. One sent me a list >from the
Moscow and St. Petersburg telephone directories (in Cyrillic no less)
that indicated many dozens of SVESHNIKOVS. Many of these are surely
non-Jewish although the one my aunt married was certainly Jewish.
I also learned there is a famous Sveshnikov/Sicilian chess opening.

I am searching for SVESHNIKOVS , AND BURTINS , METRIKINS AND
BESPROZVANNYA/ BESPROSVANNI.

Norman Zelvin, Eastchester, New York <nyzvezi@banet.net>


About Jewish & Non-Jewish Same Last names.. #belarus

Robyn <WebCat1@...>
 

My last mane is Markow,shortened >from Markowitz. My brother sent away
for a book about our last name. However He asked for Markow,not
Markowitz so the info wasn't relevant to us(lol). Also,I contacted a
Markow who lived in NY,who was not Jewish,he was Polish-Catholic.
Anyway it's interesting to contact these people because you never know
if they might be related to you.
Robyn
Researching: ELSTEIN >from Minsk,Belarus and MARKOWITZ from
Breast-Litovisk,Poland


Connection to another family with same surname #belarus

Carol Rombro Rider
 

<>


Thia--If you and this family are really serious, on the first page of
Jewishgen's home page is a section that reads "Projects and Activities".
Check out the "Genealogy By Genetics" that is listed under that section.

Best wishes,

Carol Rombro Rider Baltimore, Maryland CRomRider@aol.com


Belarus SIG #Belarus About Jewish & Non-Jewish Same Last names.. #belarus

Robyn <WebCat1@...>
 

My last mane is Markow,shortened >from Markowitz. My brother sent away
for a book about our last name. However He asked for Markow,not
Markowitz so the info wasn't relevant to us(lol). Also,I contacted a
Markow who lived in NY,who was not Jewish,he was Polish-Catholic.
Anyway it's interesting to contact these people because you never know
if they might be related to you.
Robyn
Researching: ELSTEIN >from Minsk,Belarus and MARKOWITZ from
Breast-Litovisk,Poland


Belarus SIG #Belarus Connection to another family with same surname #belarus

Carol Rombro Rider
 

<>


Thia--If you and this family are really serious, on the first page of
Jewishgen's home page is a section that reads "Projects and Activities".
Check out the "Genealogy By Genetics" that is listed under that section.

Best wishes,

Carol Rombro Rider Baltimore, Maryland CRomRider@aol.com


MAISEL / MEISEL #belarus

dorothy rivers <dotvic@...>
 

I am researching the HIRSOHN side of my family and have this little note
which states that our real name was Meisel. It was changed to a non-Jewish
name in order to buy a tavern. I guess in Belarus at that time Jews could
not own property and/or certain businesses.

I had almost forgotten about this little story. I would think Maisel
and Meisel aren't that far apart, right?

Dorothy Auerbach Rivers New Mexico, USA


Belarus SIG #Belarus MAISEL / MEISEL #belarus

dorothy rivers <dotvic@...>
 

I am researching the HIRSOHN side of my family and have this little note
which states that our real name was Meisel. It was changed to a non-Jewish
name in order to buy a tavern. I guess in Belarus at that time Jews could
not own property and/or certain businesses.

I had almost forgotten about this little story. I would think Maisel
and Meisel aren't that far apart, right?

Dorothy Auerbach Rivers New Mexico, USA


POPOVA GORA, S #belarus

renee1056@...
 

I found my grandmothers maiden name listed in the Surname search
ZALMINOVICH the town listed is Popova Gors S, Uzed Surazh, Gubernia
Chernigov. Does anyone know where this is located. it is listed in
1895.
Thank you for your help
Renee Marcus
Researching
Zalminovic, Frayerman, Freyerman, Markus


Belarus SIG #Belarus POPOVA GORA, S #belarus

renee1056@...
 

I found my grandmothers maiden name listed in the Surname search
ZALMINOVICH the town listed is Popova Gors S, Uzed Surazh, Gubernia
Chernigov. Does anyone know where this is located. it is listed in
1895.
Thank you for your help
Renee Marcus
Researching
Zalminovic, Frayerman, Freyerman, Markus