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Property claims in East Germany #general

Nicholas Martin <nick.martin@...>
 

Greetings. I have been approached by a genealogist in Berlin, who
offers to assist with reparations for properties lost by my family, in
return for 15% of proceeds. I am looking for information >from others who
have had experience in such matters. Please reply personally. Thank
you very much for your assistance!

Nick.Martin@mindspring.com
Lexington, KY USA


Re: Help find Isaac OLSWANG #general

barrychernick@...
 

Claire Petersky wrote,
"The record is: Isaac Olswang 17 labourer Russia Jew Seattle
Washington
Very well and good, I know of 8 Olswangs >from Sassmachen (now
Valdemarpils, Latvia) who went to Seattle, and I have immigration
records to show that some took the route of landing in Canada,
taking the Trans-Canada railway, and then going south to Seattle
So who is this Isaac character? Ideas for tracking it down?"

There is no guarantee that he went to Seattle. He could have gone to any
US state or stayed in Canada. It will be time consuming, but I would
start checking in the "northern" tier of US states and in Canada for
Olswang, both in modern directories and the US 1900 census. Good luck.
Barry Chernick
CHERNICK, CZERNIK - StaroKonstantinov, Krasilov, Volocisk
MITTLEMAN - Tchan (Tiofipol), Satanov - Ukraine
SCHULMAN, SHULMAN - Dolhinov, Minsk, Bialystok
KARP, CARPE – Minsk, Bialystok


WYSOR -- Elliott and Enid (nee Sanders) of New York #general

A. E. Jordan
 

This is a long shot but I am looking for anyone who knows of, is
relatred or things they might be able to connect with Elliott and
Enid WYSOR of Tarrytown, New York.

Elliott (I think) was born Sept.30, 1907 and died February 1986.
Enid was born Enid SANDERS and I don't know her details. Enid is
a missing link of my SANDERS family tree. I only know that she had
one or two sons and nothing more about professions, etc.

Trying to type this with my fingers crossed hoping this great group
will come through for me once again.

Thanks.

Allan Jordan

aejordan@aol.com


To all interested!! [deportees from Belgium] #general

Bernard Margolis <debmarg@...>
 

I have just received a letter, a list, and several documents on a
relative, a victim of the Holocaust who was born in Cetatea Alba [later
known as Akkerman]. His name was Leivi Zonis.
The list, mentioned above, has the names of 6 women and 8 other men who
were deported >from Belgium to a camp where they were immediately murdered.
The names are;
Knoek, Constance
Goldman, Alzie
Rapoport [Goldman], Rywka
Mersel, Burich
Montezinos, Abraham Raphael
Meyer, Abraham
Press [Goldberg], Sinaida
Camhi, Joseph
Kriegsman, [Schlam] Rifka
Jacob [Pintel], Lea
Liebmann, Jankel
Pintel, [Liebmann] Channa
Salman, Nisan
There is a little more information for each above.
If interested, contact me.
Bernie Margolis


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Property claims in East Germany #general

Nicholas Martin <nick.martin@...>
 

Greetings. I have been approached by a genealogist in Berlin, who
offers to assist with reparations for properties lost by my family, in
return for 15% of proceeds. I am looking for information >from others who
have had experience in such matters. Please reply personally. Thank
you very much for your assistance!

Nick.Martin@mindspring.com
Lexington, KY USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Help find Isaac OLSWANG #general

barrychernick@...
 

Claire Petersky wrote,
"The record is: Isaac Olswang 17 labourer Russia Jew Seattle
Washington
Very well and good, I know of 8 Olswangs >from Sassmachen (now
Valdemarpils, Latvia) who went to Seattle, and I have immigration
records to show that some took the route of landing in Canada,
taking the Trans-Canada railway, and then going south to Seattle
So who is this Isaac character? Ideas for tracking it down?"

There is no guarantee that he went to Seattle. He could have gone to any
US state or stayed in Canada. It will be time consuming, but I would
start checking in the "northern" tier of US states and in Canada for
Olswang, both in modern directories and the US 1900 census. Good luck.
Barry Chernick
CHERNICK, CZERNIK - StaroKonstantinov, Krasilov, Volocisk
MITTLEMAN - Tchan (Tiofipol), Satanov - Ukraine
SCHULMAN, SHULMAN - Dolhinov, Minsk, Bialystok
KARP, CARPE – Minsk, Bialystok


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen WYSOR -- Elliott and Enid (nee Sanders) of New York #general

A. E. Jordan
 

This is a long shot but I am looking for anyone who knows of, is
relatred or things they might be able to connect with Elliott and
Enid WYSOR of Tarrytown, New York.

Elliott (I think) was born Sept.30, 1907 and died February 1986.
Enid was born Enid SANDERS and I don't know her details. Enid is
a missing link of my SANDERS family tree. I only know that she had
one or two sons and nothing more about professions, etc.

Trying to type this with my fingers crossed hoping this great group
will come through for me once again.

Thanks.

Allan Jordan

aejordan@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen To all interested!! [deportees from Belgium] #general

Bernard Margolis <debmarg@...>
 

I have just received a letter, a list, and several documents on a
relative, a victim of the Holocaust who was born in Cetatea Alba [later
known as Akkerman]. His name was Leivi Zonis.
The list, mentioned above, has the names of 6 women and 8 other men who
were deported >from Belgium to a camp where they were immediately murdered.
The names are;
Knoek, Constance
Goldman, Alzie
Rapoport [Goldman], Rywka
Mersel, Burich
Montezinos, Abraham Raphael
Meyer, Abraham
Press [Goldberg], Sinaida
Camhi, Joseph
Kriegsman, [Schlam] Rifka
Jacob [Pintel], Lea
Liebmann, Jankel
Pintel, [Liebmann] Channa
Salman, Nisan
There is a little more information for each above.
If interested, contact me.
Bernie Margolis


Beginning research, on Pessa MINSK #belarus

Adam Goldberg <adam_g@...>
 

First of all, let me apologize for the probably
incorrect name I'm researching.

from some very faded and partially destroyed family
records, I have found a recording of the name of my
great-great grandmother as Pessa MINSK >from Minsk (b.
1824, d. 1917). Unfortunately, all of this data is
suspect:

She married my great-great grandfather Issac SMITH
(date unknown), and had several children, including my
great grandfather Max Smith (b. 1880, d. 1963). I
believe that either 1824 or 1880 is wrong, otherwise
Pessa would have had a child when she was 56yrs.

Anyhow, does anyone have any suggestions as to how to
track down her actual maiden name -- or, perhaps,
clues to what MINSK may be Americanized from?

Thank you for any assistance.

Adam Goldberg


Belarus SIG #Belarus Beginning research, on Pessa MINSK #belarus

Adam Goldberg <adam_g@...>
 

First of all, let me apologize for the probably
incorrect name I'm researching.

from some very faded and partially destroyed family
records, I have found a recording of the name of my
great-great grandmother as Pessa MINSK >from Minsk (b.
1824, d. 1917). Unfortunately, all of this data is
suspect:

She married my great-great grandfather Issac SMITH
(date unknown), and had several children, including my
great grandfather Max Smith (b. 1880, d. 1963). I
believe that either 1824 or 1880 is wrong, otherwise
Pessa would have had a child when she was 56yrs.

Anyhow, does anyone have any suggestions as to how to
track down her actual maiden name -- or, perhaps,
clues to what MINSK may be Americanized from?

Thank you for any assistance.

Adam Goldberg


Fw: Viewmate help needed #belarus

Allyson Shames <shamesa@...>
 

I have posted a photo on Viewmate; it's file VM167. It has some writing on
the bottom that I think is Yiddish, possibly Hebrew, definitely cursive.
It's hard to read as the photo is very faded but any help translating the
text is greatly appreciated. In addition, if anyone has any idea of the
date or possible location of the photo based on the dress of the children,
please let me know.

Please respond privately to shamesa@earthlink.net

Thanks in advance,
Allyson Shames
Iowa City, IA
researching GINSIN/GINSON - Minsk, FREEMAN - Minsk?, EZAKOV - Minsk,
SHAMES - Liepaja, SHOSTOCK - Minsk/Ivenets


Belarus SIG #Belarus Fw: Viewmate help needed #belarus

Allyson Shames <shamesa@...>
 

I have posted a photo on Viewmate; it's file VM167. It has some writing on
the bottom that I think is Yiddish, possibly Hebrew, definitely cursive.
It's hard to read as the photo is very faded but any help translating the
text is greatly appreciated. In addition, if anyone has any idea of the
date or possible location of the photo based on the dress of the children,
please let me know.

Please respond privately to shamesa@earthlink.net

Thanks in advance,
Allyson Shames
Iowa City, IA
researching GINSIN/GINSON - Minsk, FREEMAN - Minsk?, EZAKOV - Minsk,
SHAMES - Liepaja, SHOSTOCK - Minsk/Ivenets


Re: Nove Mesto, Slovakia near Trnava, Slov. #hungary

Norman/Jean Fuhrer <nfuhrer@...>
 

We recently purchased an AutoAtlas of Slovakia, in order to better locate my
father's birthplace, Natafalva, Hungary (now Nacina Ves). This shtetl is
approximately six miles >from Michalovce (formerly Nagy Mahaly, Hungary).

In researching the maps, we found a city or town adjacent to Trnava,
Slovakia named Nove Mesto.

We have in the past been searching for the Nove Mesto, Czechoslovakia where
my first cousin Olga (Henu) FUHRER was born in 1915 (at that time we believe
it was still in Hungary). Having sent to the Archives in Bratislavia for
her birth record, and coming up empty, because they could not determine
which Nove Mesto we referred to, we now believe that this Nove Mesto may be
the place, mostly because of it's proximity to Nacina Ves.

Can anyone tell us where we can write to possibly obtain Olga's birth
record, and also my father's birth record? He was born in Natafalva in 1894.

We would appreciate any pearls of wisdom.

Best wishes,
Norman Fuhrer nfuhrer@iu.net
Titusville, Florida

Moderator: There are places called Nove Mesto in both the Czech and Slovak Republics. The place near Trnava is Nove Mesto n. Vahom. It's about 14 km north of Piestany. check the 1877 Hungarian Gazetteer on FHL Microfiche # 6000840 to find out where the Jewish residents >from Natafalva worshipped and then check the FHL catalog to see if any Jewish records >from that community have been filmed. Religious records created before 1895 should be in the regional archives for the area where the place was located. You might try the archives in Nitre. The address is: Statny oblastny archiv v Nitre, 951 12 Ivanka pri Nitre, Novozamocka ul. c. 273, Slovak Republic. You could also check Jordan Auslander's microfiche "Index to Jewish Vital Statistics Records of Slovakia" which indicates the loctio of Jewish records in regional archives. VK


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Nove Mesto, Slovakia near Trnava, Slov. #hungary

Norman/Jean Fuhrer <nfuhrer@...>
 

We recently purchased an AutoAtlas of Slovakia, in order to better locate my
father's birthplace, Natafalva, Hungary (now Nacina Ves). This shtetl is
approximately six miles >from Michalovce (formerly Nagy Mahaly, Hungary).

In researching the maps, we found a city or town adjacent to Trnava,
Slovakia named Nove Mesto.

We have in the past been searching for the Nove Mesto, Czechoslovakia where
my first cousin Olga (Henu) FUHRER was born in 1915 (at that time we believe
it was still in Hungary). Having sent to the Archives in Bratislavia for
her birth record, and coming up empty, because they could not determine
which Nove Mesto we referred to, we now believe that this Nove Mesto may be
the place, mostly because of it's proximity to Nacina Ves.

Can anyone tell us where we can write to possibly obtain Olga's birth
record, and also my father's birth record? He was born in Natafalva in 1894.

We would appreciate any pearls of wisdom.

Best wishes,
Norman Fuhrer nfuhrer@iu.net
Titusville, Florida

Moderator: There are places called Nove Mesto in both the Czech and Slovak Republics. The place near Trnava is Nove Mesto n. Vahom. It's about 14 km north of Piestany. check the 1877 Hungarian Gazetteer on FHL Microfiche # 6000840 to find out where the Jewish residents >from Natafalva worshipped and then check the FHL catalog to see if any Jewish records >from that community have been filmed. Religious records created before 1895 should be in the regional archives for the area where the place was located. You might try the archives in Nitre. The address is: Statny oblastny archiv v Nitre, 951 12 Ivanka pri Nitre, Novozamocka ul. c. 273, Slovak Republic. You could also check Jordan Auslander's microfiche "Index to Jewish Vital Statistics Records of Slovakia" which indicates the loctio of Jewish records in regional archives. VK


Re: Tax Census 1828 LDS film #hungary

Leslie Gyi <leslie.gyi@...>
 

Was religion identified for everyone, or just Jews? I just looked at one
townhall's records where there was just one register, with a column for
religion, and everyones religion is recorded (Catholic, Calvinist, etc).
This was the only town I saw that had everyone in one register with a column
for religious identificiation. All other town's visited, the registers were
by religion, but everyone's religion was identified. I believe this is the
case due to records keeping being initially religious for BMD, and then
migrating to a civil responsibility, for civil purposes (taxation and
military recruitment which was previously the responsibility of the landed
aristocracy until it became a governmental responsibility).

Leslie Gyi nee FEIG
Researching FEIGs in Carpathia
POLLAKs in Carpathia
GOLDENBERGs in Carpathia & Poland
HAJNIKs in Carpathia & Poland

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Venetianer [mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br]
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 4:44 PM
To: Hungarian SIG
Cc: Gary Luke
Subject: *Re: Tax Census 1828 LDS film


Hello friends,

Something worth mentioning that those who have searched the 1828
census well know. This census has two major advantages for the Jewish
researcher. Many town sheets (but not all) identify the Jewish tax
payers with words such as Jud, Jude, Judeus or similar. Clearly this
was an anti-semitic touch the censors added to their surveying, but
now this is of tremendous help for the researcher. The second
interesting feature is that, very likely, this is the first survey in
which Hungarian Jews carried a surname. It was through this census
that I learned that one of my ancestors was named Isaac VINACZY.

I would also recommend to decode the 14th column "Observationes".
Sometimes it contains very useful information about the person in
question. Of course you will need to have somebody translate the
Latin writing.

As for the headings of each column, here is the English translation
of each one (courtesy of Family Tree):

1. taxpayer's name - head of the household

2. family members between 18 and 60 (children, relatives, employees)

3. details of the column 2 contents (what kind of people were
listed). The columns are headed by the phrase "among these" (ex his
sunt) and >from left to right these are the entries: honoratior,
citizen, serf cotter, homeless cotter, sibling, boy, girl, servant,
server, tradesman, salesman, merchant

4. house after which rent is paid and the rental amount

5. inner court (sq. meter and price)

6. cultivation of corn
a. serf or citizen rights to the land
b. taxpayer's profit per unit
c. percentage of profit in units
d. usual price of the harvest

7. fields
a. serf or citizen rights to the profit
b. fields belonging to the lands

8. vineyards
a. size in Pozsony measurement
b. profit per unit

9. apple and plum orchards
a. number of scythes
b. profit on one scythe's worth of land

10. larger animals
a. yoke oxen
b. calves or cows
c. barren cows
d. steers and heifers over 3 years old
e. steers and heifers over 2 years old
f. studs and draught horses over 3 years old
g. studs and draught horses over 2 years old

11. It's not clear but seems to list sheep and goats.

12. Forests

13. Pub rental rights

14. Notes >from the censor

Each page has a header which indicates the jurisdiction (usually the
name of the county, varhely in Hungarian - Nomen Jurisdictionis in
Latin) and the district (Nomen Loci Conscripti)

From: Gary Luke <feraltek@zeta.org.au>

Has anyone had a look at the LDS films of the Census of the Taxable
Population of Hungary 1828, LDS films #622941 to #623771? What sort of
information does it have?
--
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. -.-.-
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil

Moderator: I've been through a lot of 1828 Land Census records and haven't seen any indication of religious affiliation except for Jews. Jud, Zsido, Zsid, Sido, Zido, and Zsi are among the terms used. VK


Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: Tax Census 1828 LDS film #hungary

Leslie Gyi <leslie.gyi@...>
 

Was religion identified for everyone, or just Jews? I just looked at one
townhall's records where there was just one register, with a column for
religion, and everyones religion is recorded (Catholic, Calvinist, etc).
This was the only town I saw that had everyone in one register with a column
for religious identificiation. All other town's visited, the registers were
by religion, but everyone's religion was identified. I believe this is the
case due to records keeping being initially religious for BMD, and then
migrating to a civil responsibility, for civil purposes (taxation and
military recruitment which was previously the responsibility of the landed
aristocracy until it became a governmental responsibility).

Leslie Gyi nee FEIG
Researching FEIGs in Carpathia
POLLAKs in Carpathia
GOLDENBERGs in Carpathia & Poland
HAJNIKs in Carpathia & Poland

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Venetianer [mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br]
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 4:44 PM
To: Hungarian SIG
Cc: Gary Luke
Subject: *Re: Tax Census 1828 LDS film


Hello friends,

Something worth mentioning that those who have searched the 1828
census well know. This census has two major advantages for the Jewish
researcher. Many town sheets (but not all) identify the Jewish tax
payers with words such as Jud, Jude, Judeus or similar. Clearly this
was an anti-semitic touch the censors added to their surveying, but
now this is of tremendous help for the researcher. The second
interesting feature is that, very likely, this is the first survey in
which Hungarian Jews carried a surname. It was through this census
that I learned that one of my ancestors was named Isaac VINACZY.

I would also recommend to decode the 14th column "Observationes".
Sometimes it contains very useful information about the person in
question. Of course you will need to have somebody translate the
Latin writing.

As for the headings of each column, here is the English translation
of each one (courtesy of Family Tree):

1. taxpayer's name - head of the household

2. family members between 18 and 60 (children, relatives, employees)

3. details of the column 2 contents (what kind of people were
listed). The columns are headed by the phrase "among these" (ex his
sunt) and >from left to right these are the entries: honoratior,
citizen, serf cotter, homeless cotter, sibling, boy, girl, servant,
server, tradesman, salesman, merchant

4. house after which rent is paid and the rental amount

5. inner court (sq. meter and price)

6. cultivation of corn
a. serf or citizen rights to the land
b. taxpayer's profit per unit
c. percentage of profit in units
d. usual price of the harvest

7. fields
a. serf or citizen rights to the profit
b. fields belonging to the lands

8. vineyards
a. size in Pozsony measurement
b. profit per unit

9. apple and plum orchards
a. number of scythes
b. profit on one scythe's worth of land

10. larger animals
a. yoke oxen
b. calves or cows
c. barren cows
d. steers and heifers over 3 years old
e. steers and heifers over 2 years old
f. studs and draught horses over 3 years old
g. studs and draught horses over 2 years old

11. It's not clear but seems to list sheep and goats.

12. Forests

13. Pub rental rights

14. Notes >from the censor

Each page has a header which indicates the jurisdiction (usually the
name of the county, varhely in Hungarian - Nomen Jurisdictionis in
Latin) and the district (Nomen Loci Conscripti)

From: Gary Luke <feraltek@zeta.org.au>

Has anyone had a look at the LDS films of the Census of the Taxable
Population of Hungary 1828, LDS films #622941 to #623771? What sort of
information does it have?
--
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. -.-.-
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil

Moderator: I've been through a lot of 1828 Land Census records and haven't seen any indication of religious affiliation except for Jews. Jud, Zsido, Zsid, Sido, Zido, and Zsi are among the terms used. VK


Sussa--a Yiddish name? #hungary

Momteller@...
 

<< Vivian Kahn e-mailed me about some Schweids in a Yiskor book and she
mentioned a relative with the name of "Sussa Malka". The name "Sussa" is my
Yiddish name but there is a discrepancy. Can anyone out there clear it up?

My father always told me it was Sussa but my great-uncle wrote a one-page
family tree, (hand written,) that my great -grandmother, my namesake, was
named: Sosza (which would be pronounced: "Shosa".) Which is it? Where
does this name come from? Did my great-uncle just spell it wrong?

Susan Stone
Evanston, IL

From: Momteller@aol.com
Full-name: Momteller
Message-ID: <f4.4c3bb96.274c0723@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:13:07 EST
Subject: Re: SCHWEDE/Sarkosujlak
To: Lmagyar@en.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 123


Hi Louis, It is me again.....Vivian Kahn e-mailed me about some Schweids in a
Yiskor book and she mentioned a relative with the above name. The name
"Sussa" is my Yiddish name but there is a discrepancy I thought maybe you
could help or I will put it on the main list...

My father always told me it was Sussa but my great-uncle wrote it in a
one-page family tree, hand written, that my great -grandmother, whom I am
named after, was named:

Sosza (which would be pronounced: "Shosa".) Which is it? Where does this
name come from?

thank you,
Susan

Szia! Lou is in Israel until the end of the year so Marc Polster and I will be moderating the list. Please bear with us! We'll do the best we can but Lou's a hard act to follow. In response to Susan's question, my guess is that Sosza (pronounced Shosa) is a Hungarian version of the name Susan. It's spelled Zsuzsa ( which I think is pronounced Shoosha) in Hungarian. Can anyone confirm this? Vivian Kahn


Hungary SIG #Hungary Sussa--a Yiddish name? #hungary

Momteller@...
 

<< Vivian Kahn e-mailed me about some Schweids in a Yiskor book and she
mentioned a relative with the name of "Sussa Malka". The name "Sussa" is my
Yiddish name but there is a discrepancy. Can anyone out there clear it up?

My father always told me it was Sussa but my great-uncle wrote a one-page
family tree, (hand written,) that my great -grandmother, my namesake, was
named: Sosza (which would be pronounced: "Shosa".) Which is it? Where
does this name come from? Did my great-uncle just spell it wrong?

Susan Stone
Evanston, IL

From: Momteller@aol.com
Full-name: Momteller
Message-ID: <f4.4c3bb96.274c0723@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:13:07 EST
Subject: Re: SCHWEDE/Sarkosujlak
To: Lmagyar@en.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 123


Hi Louis, It is me again.....Vivian Kahn e-mailed me about some Schweids in a
Yiskor book and she mentioned a relative with the above name. The name
"Sussa" is my Yiddish name but there is a discrepancy I thought maybe you
could help or I will put it on the main list...

My father always told me it was Sussa but my great-uncle wrote it in a
one-page family tree, hand written, that my great -grandmother, whom I am
named after, was named:

Sosza (which would be pronounced: "Shosa".) Which is it? Where does this
name come from?

thank you,
Susan

Szia! Lou is in Israel until the end of the year so Marc Polster and I will be moderating the list. Please bear with us! We'll do the best we can but Lou's a hard act to follow. In response to Susan's question, my guess is that Sosza (pronounced Shosa) is a Hungarian version of the name Susan. It's spelled Zsuzsa ( which I think is pronounced Shoosha) in Hungarian. Can anyone confirm this? Vivian Kahn


Digest Mode #hungary

Ulenspigel@...
 

Dear List;

Could some nice lister please tell me how to switch to the digest mode?

Thank you,
Bob Wilson
Rochester NY


Hungary SIG #Hungary Digest Mode #hungary

Ulenspigel@...
 

Dear List;

Could some nice lister please tell me how to switch to the digest mode?

Thank you,
Bob Wilson
Rochester NY