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Przemysl #galicia

Dr. Norbert Haase/Stiftung Sächs. Gedenkstätten <haase@...>
 

On the morning of July 26, 1942 at the bridge over the river San in =
Przemysl a detachment of SS and police wanted to round up Jews >from the =
ghetto for deportation to the Belzec extermination camp. Two German army =
officers, the town commander Major Liedtke and his deputy, First =
Lieutenant Battel protected jews >from being taken to their death by =
threatening to order their men to open fire unless the SS man retreated. =
Only one day before the bridge encounter Battel had used army trucks to =
take Jewish workers and their families - 80 to 100 people - out of the =
ghetto and house them under direct military supervision. Both, Battel =
and Liedtke have been honoured in 1982 and 1993 by Yad Vashem, Israel as =
"Righteous among the Nations".

Within a research project about military personal who helped Jews to =
survive the holocaust we are interested in eyewittness reports, local =
sources or any other information that might give evidence to the =
Przemysl incident.

Please contact:

Dr. Norbert Haase
chief historian
Saxony Memorial Foundation
haase@stsg.de
Dresden
Germany


Attention Gesher Galicia Members - Urgent #galicia

Shelley K. Pollero <rkpollero@...>
 

Dear Gesher Galicia members,

Gesher Galicia is in urgent need of an editor-in-chief for The
Galitzianer. As you know, our able former newsletter editor resigned
after the Spring issue. The member who generously offered to step in to
help publish the Summer issue has been unable to do this as quickly as
had been anticipated. Most of the summer issue is ready to go to press,
but there are a few concerns which are in the process of being
addressed.

I have made repeated efforts to recruit a new editor-in-chief/managing
editor. Unfortunately, out of our dues-paying membership of
approximately 800 Galicia researchers, no one has stepped up to
volunteer for this position.

from the quality of many of the messages posted to the discussion group
and the articles submitted by our members to previous issues of The
Galitzianer, it is obvious to me that we have many talented members who
have the ability and skills to assume the role of editor-in-chief.

We have some members who have already volunteered to serve as copy
editors to assist the editor-in-chief, and are awaiting participation,
but we need someone to oversee and be responsible for getting each issue
of the newsletter published and distributed to our membership in a
timely manner.

The operation of a successful genealogical operation requires a group of
volunteers willing to accept leadership positions. The members of the
GG Steering Committee are already working behind the scenes in a variety
of ways and for this I am grateful. The new editor-in-chief would join
the Steering Committee as a voting member.

In a survey of our membership, it was apparent that the membership
preferred a hard-copy printed newsletter rather than an online
newsletter that some had suggested. The bottom line is that there will
not be any further issues of The Galitzianer unless someone steps
forward to assume the role.

Please include your phone number in yur private e-mail response to me so
that we might discuss the duties and responsibilities of the position.

Thank you for your consideration. I look forward to hearing >from you.

Sincerely,

Shelley Kellerman Pollero., Coordinator
Gesher Galicia
Severna Park, Maryland
rkpollero@starpower.net


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Przemysl #galicia

Dr. Norbert Haase/Stiftung Sächs. Gedenkstätten <haase@...>
 

On the morning of July 26, 1942 at the bridge over the river San in =
Przemysl a detachment of SS and police wanted to round up Jews >from the =
ghetto for deportation to the Belzec extermination camp. Two German army =
officers, the town commander Major Liedtke and his deputy, First =
Lieutenant Battel protected jews >from being taken to their death by =
threatening to order their men to open fire unless the SS man retreated. =
Only one day before the bridge encounter Battel had used army trucks to =
take Jewish workers and their families - 80 to 100 people - out of the =
ghetto and house them under direct military supervision. Both, Battel =
and Liedtke have been honoured in 1982 and 1993 by Yad Vashem, Israel as =
"Righteous among the Nations".

Within a research project about military personal who helped Jews to =
survive the holocaust we are interested in eyewittness reports, local =
sources or any other information that might give evidence to the =
Przemysl incident.

Please contact:

Dr. Norbert Haase
chief historian
Saxony Memorial Foundation
haase@stsg.de
Dresden
Germany


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Attention Gesher Galicia Members - Urgent #galicia

Shelley K. Pollero <rkpollero@...>
 

Dear Gesher Galicia members,

Gesher Galicia is in urgent need of an editor-in-chief for The
Galitzianer. As you know, our able former newsletter editor resigned
after the Spring issue. The member who generously offered to step in to
help publish the Summer issue has been unable to do this as quickly as
had been anticipated. Most of the summer issue is ready to go to press,
but there are a few concerns which are in the process of being
addressed.

I have made repeated efforts to recruit a new editor-in-chief/managing
editor. Unfortunately, out of our dues-paying membership of
approximately 800 Galicia researchers, no one has stepped up to
volunteer for this position.

from the quality of many of the messages posted to the discussion group
and the articles submitted by our members to previous issues of The
Galitzianer, it is obvious to me that we have many talented members who
have the ability and skills to assume the role of editor-in-chief.

We have some members who have already volunteered to serve as copy
editors to assist the editor-in-chief, and are awaiting participation,
but we need someone to oversee and be responsible for getting each issue
of the newsletter published and distributed to our membership in a
timely manner.

The operation of a successful genealogical operation requires a group of
volunteers willing to accept leadership positions. The members of the
GG Steering Committee are already working behind the scenes in a variety
of ways and for this I am grateful. The new editor-in-chief would join
the Steering Committee as a voting member.

In a survey of our membership, it was apparent that the membership
preferred a hard-copy printed newsletter rather than an online
newsletter that some had suggested. The bottom line is that there will
not be any further issues of The Galitzianer unless someone steps
forward to assume the role.

Please include your phone number in yur private e-mail response to me so
that we might discuss the duties and responsibilities of the position.

Thank you for your consideration. I look forward to hearing >from you.

Sincerely,

Shelley Kellerman Pollero., Coordinator
Gesher Galicia
Severna Park, Maryland
rkpollero@starpower.net


Searching: SCHWARZER from the Jewish Ghetto in Krakow. #general

Igor Berg Mogielnicki <iggepop@...>
 

Im looking for any info about following people:

Regina Schwarzer
Helena Schwarzer
Mania (or Maria) Schwarzer
Izak Schwarzer
Adela Schwarzer
Helena Schwarzer

They all lived in Krakow until they got separated during the Holocaust.

If you do know anyhing, please contact me!


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: SCHWARZER from the Jewish Ghetto in Krakow. #general

Igor Berg Mogielnicki <iggepop@...>
 

Im looking for any info about following people:

Regina Schwarzer
Helena Schwarzer
Mania (or Maria) Schwarzer
Izak Schwarzer
Adela Schwarzer
Helena Schwarzer

They all lived in Krakow until they got separated during the Holocaust.

If you do know anyhing, please contact me!


Re: Need contact info in Israel... #general

ctf-vif@...
 

I also have relatives who are supposed to have made Aliyah to Israel and
have "gotten lost."

I am seeking Steven DUBIN, son of Morris DUBIN & Fannie. He supposedly has
three children. Morris DUBIN was my grandmother's brother. My grandmother
was Miriam Evelyn DUBIN.

Vicki Ina Friedman
Acworth, GA, USA
ctf-vif@mindspring.com


Tibor PORGES - Author #general

Joyce Eastman <wldwoman@...>
 

After being pointed to the direction of the Porges website, by different
people >from the various digests I post in (including the webmaster,
himself), I find that my cousin, Tibor Porges is the author of a book of
poetry. The title of the book is "Judeas Odysee", which was published in
Santiago, Chile in 1967 (PT 2631 073 38). This book is apparently written
in german.

If anyone has a copy of this book that they would be willing to sell (or
knows of someone who has the book that might be willing to sell it), please
contact me privately at: wldwoman@bestnetpc.com. I have searched the
internet for it with no success.

Incidently, if you are related to anyone with the surname of Porges, the
website is: www.porges.net/porges. You may find out some interesting
information about your relative.


Joyce Eastman
Orange City, FL USA


Another Success Story #general

Harry M. Gloss <harrymjr2@...>
 

I am researching my son-in-law's Nunes Family and I
received a reply >from a person in the UK saying that
she had the Ketubah Book >from Holland and would I like
the marriages in the family. I replied in the
affirmative and she sent me the family marriages over
300 years. There were 550 marriages and they included
not only the bride and groom, but their fathers and
grandfathers. Needless to say it will take years to
find where each marriage fits into the family tree.

Harry Gloss


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Need contact info in Israel... #general

ctf-vif@...
 

I also have relatives who are supposed to have made Aliyah to Israel and
have "gotten lost."

I am seeking Steven DUBIN, son of Morris DUBIN & Fannie. He supposedly has
three children. Morris DUBIN was my grandmother's brother. My grandmother
was Miriam Evelyn DUBIN.

Vicki Ina Friedman
Acworth, GA, USA
ctf-vif@mindspring.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Tibor PORGES - Author #general

Joyce Eastman <wldwoman@...>
 

After being pointed to the direction of the Porges website, by different
people >from the various digests I post in (including the webmaster,
himself), I find that my cousin, Tibor Porges is the author of a book of
poetry. The title of the book is "Judeas Odysee", which was published in
Santiago, Chile in 1967 (PT 2631 073 38). This book is apparently written
in german.

If anyone has a copy of this book that they would be willing to sell (or
knows of someone who has the book that might be willing to sell it), please
contact me privately at: wldwoman@bestnetpc.com. I have searched the
internet for it with no success.

Incidently, if you are related to anyone with the surname of Porges, the
website is: www.porges.net/porges. You may find out some interesting
information about your relative.


Joyce Eastman
Orange City, FL USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Another Success Story #general

Harry M. Gloss <harrymjr2@...>
 

I am researching my son-in-law's Nunes Family and I
received a reply >from a person in the UK saying that
she had the Ketubah Book >from Holland and would I like
the marriages in the family. I replied in the
affirmative and she sent me the family marriages over
300 years. There were 550 marriages and they included
not only the bride and groom, but their fathers and
grandfathers. Needless to say it will take years to
find where each marriage fits into the family tree.

Harry Gloss


Re: Adopted Children - The Family Tree issue of how and whether to place #general

Plutsk <plutsk@...>
 

For the most part in doing genealogy, adopted children are added to the
family tree with a notation that they were adopted but since the blood
line does not continue, their descendants are not added to the tree.
I must say, I think this is an extraordinary and mnost undesirable policy.
Adopted children have become family members in several very significant
ways. If I adopt (I am not an adoptive parent, by the way), then my
adopted child is certainly my child. If we agree that my child is to be
shown on my tree (with the notation that he/she was adopted in the
appropriate place), then what sense does it make that his/her offspring
are not to be shown as my grandchildren? Is there some pall of non-
legitimacy that hangs over my adopted childrens' descendants?

I think this suggestion denies the very spark and essence of adoption --
that the adopted child has become a member of the family -- and find it
illogical, insensitive, and unacceptable to bar the adoptee's offspring
and further descendants >from full acceptance into the family as
demonstrated in genealogical documentation. In my humble opinion, of
course!

Steve Gold
Detroit area


Re: Use of Maiden Names in Galicia #general

Plutsk <plutsk@...>
 

It is my understanding that in Galicia, if the father signed the
birth register, although the child was "illegitimate" according
to Polish Law, the child could take the father's name.
In the Galician birth records I have acquired of my grandmother and
several of her siblings, all the births are identified as "nieslubne"
(illegitimate). The father signed the birth register (in the "Notes"
column, not the "Father" column) in every case.

However, none of these people ever bore my great-grandmother's unmarried
name -- that name was in fact lost to family knowledge until I uncovered
it a year ago. Certainly no one in my parents' generation ever heard it
uttered. Neither does it appear on any passenger immigration manifest.
The only name I have seen used for any of these "nieslubne" births was
that of my great-grandfather. This would all support Phyllis Kramer's
understanding.

Steve Gold
Detroit area


SABATH - possibly in Chicago 1940 - 1950 #general

David Lewin <davidlewin@...>
 

Do you by any chance have information on the families of

Judge Joseph Sabath
and
Rep. Adolph J. Sabath

Possibly in 1940 - 1950 Chicago IL ???

Please respond to me at davidlewin@bigfoot.com

David Lewin
London


Re: Leyb #general

George Farkas <george@...>
 

At 12/9/00 01:15 PM +0000, Judith Hamilton wrote:
The recent postings about the name Leyb, Leon and other lion related names
made me realize what an odd choice of names my father had. He was always
known by his middle name of Michael (or its variations) and our surname
was Low as he had dropped the umlaut when he came to England, but his
original >name was Leo Low (i.e. Loew)!
Not so unusual, I believe.

When governments gave Jews surnames (Jewish names were of the kind x son
of y), they sometimes took the persons first name translated into the
local language and then the family founder's first and last name were the
same. This happened in my family as well when an ancester, whose Hebrew
name was "Ze'ev" was given the name "Farkas"; hence Farkas Farkas. (Ze'ev
is the Hebrew for "wolf" and "Farkas" the Hungarian for "wolf").

George Farkas


Re: Ethics - genealogy research #general

snillop@...
 

Judith Romney Wegner, commenting on the statement:
Most English Jews have also been in England since about 1880.
said:
<snip>
I am inclined to take issue with this assumption (I mean, the word
"most").<snip>

In 1880 the number of Jews in Britain is thought to have been about
60,000 and in the next three decades the number had grown, mainly
through Eastern European immigrants and their offspring to about
300,000. Therefore 'most' is accurate.

Judith went on:
<snip>
It is true for American Jews, of course, and refers primarily to Jews of
Eastern European origin. But I think the proportion of such Jews to
Jews of other origins is very different in England (where I grew up)
from USA (despite the many descendants of Eastern European Jews who came
there after 1880 -- including my father's family).<snip>
Not all Jews who came to Britain before 1880 were Sephardim or were from
western Europe (Germany and Holland especially). There were some E
European Jews in Britain in the 18th century and quite a number came in
the 19th century, before the mass numbers >from about 1880. Bill Williams
in his history of the Manchester community shows this quite clearly.

She is right to say that because of the very large numbers who went to
America after 1880 the position in the USA is different >from Britain.

Harold Pollins
Oxford


Re: Child's Restaurant in NY #general

cpspier <cpspier@...>
 

Childs was a chain--I can remember half a dozen >from my childhood. As a
young adult I used to eaat in the one on Broadwaay near 72nd Street (I think
a whole meal cost something like $.75 in the 40's.) I think there was one
on 42nd Street near Fifth Avenue, too. They were quite respectable places.
(I asume you checked the yellow pages; I have a slight hunch that they may
still be in existence.)

Paula Spier
Brester, MA

From: Myra S. Davis <myrabokpg@juno.com>

Does anyone remember or every heard of the restaurant called Child's in
NYC.? My father-in-law was a cook there.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Adopted Children - The Family Tree issue of how and whether to place #general

Plutsk <plutsk@...>
 

For the most part in doing genealogy, adopted children are added to the
family tree with a notation that they were adopted but since the blood
line does not continue, their descendants are not added to the tree.
I must say, I think this is an extraordinary and mnost undesirable policy.
Adopted children have become family members in several very significant
ways. If I adopt (I am not an adoptive parent, by the way), then my
adopted child is certainly my child. If we agree that my child is to be
shown on my tree (with the notation that he/she was adopted in the
appropriate place), then what sense does it make that his/her offspring
are not to be shown as my grandchildren? Is there some pall of non-
legitimacy that hangs over my adopted childrens' descendants?

I think this suggestion denies the very spark and essence of adoption --
that the adopted child has become a member of the family -- and find it
illogical, insensitive, and unacceptable to bar the adoptee's offspring
and further descendants >from full acceptance into the family as
demonstrated in genealogical documentation. In my humble opinion, of
course!

Steve Gold
Detroit area


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Use of Maiden Names in Galicia #general

Plutsk <plutsk@...>
 

It is my understanding that in Galicia, if the father signed the
birth register, although the child was "illegitimate" according
to Polish Law, the child could take the father's name.
In the Galician birth records I have acquired of my grandmother and
several of her siblings, all the births are identified as "nieslubne"
(illegitimate). The father signed the birth register (in the "Notes"
column, not the "Father" column) in every case.

However, none of these people ever bore my great-grandmother's unmarried
name -- that name was in fact lost to family knowledge until I uncovered
it a year ago. Certainly no one in my parents' generation ever heard it
uttered. Neither does it appear on any passenger immigration manifest.
The only name I have seen used for any of these "nieslubne" births was
that of my great-grandfather. This would all support Phyllis Kramer's
understanding.

Steve Gold
Detroit area