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Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 16:49:03 EST
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Dear Becky,

Further to my previous note, you also did not say where these
family members were located. Each city and state has potential
records of that time but they surely are all different. Were they New
Yorkers? There are many NY records. I have a book that talks
about the early Jews of Easton, Pa. and another about the early
Jews of Westchester County in NY and there are many other books
that detail the early Jews of other places. You will have to do some
research to determine whether your relatives are mentioned or not.
I can tell you about some of these books if you will tell me about
your locations.

There are also early business records, wills, tax bills, etc. for you to
look at. Local historical societies have many of these and some of
them are even on C.D.'s for sale.

I wonder how you got the information you have without going to any
of these places which would probably also give you information about
the religion your relatives. Have you been to any of their cemeteries
or looked for their graves? Jewish tombstones are sometimes unique.

I also would guess that the HUC in NYC has records of early U.S.
Jews as does its Cincinnati counterpart, the American Jewish Archives,
which is on the campus of the HUC in Cincinnati (3101 Clifton Ave,
Cincinnati, Ohio 45220) This organization has as its aim to keep the
records of early Jewish life in the U.S. You should certainly be asking
them if there are records of your ancestors. However, be sure to give
them all the information that you have.

Joe Fibel
New Rochelle, NY

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Dear Becky,

Further to my previous note, you also did not say where these
family members were located. Each city and state has potential
records of that time but they surely are all different. Were they New
Yorkers? There are many NY records. I have a book that talks
about the early Jews of Easton, Pa. and another about the early
Jews of Westchester County in NY and there are many other books
that detail the early Jews of other places. You will have to do some
research to determine whether your relatives are mentioned or not.
I can tell you about some of these books if you will tell me about
your locations.

There are also early business records, wills, tax bills, etc. for you to
look at. Local historical societies have many of these and some of
them are even on C.D.'s for sale.

I wonder how you got the information you have without going to any
of these places which would probably also give you information about
the religion your relatives. Have you been to any of their cemeteries
or looked for their graves? Jewish tombstones are sometimes unique.

I also would guess that the HUC in NYC has records of early U.S.
Jews as does its Cincinnati counterpart, the American Jewish Archives,
which is on the campus of the HUC in Cincinnati (3101 Clifton Ave,
Cincinnati, Ohio 45220) This organization has as its aim to keep the
records of early Jewish life in the U.S. You should certainly be asking
them if there are records of your ancestors. However, be sure to give
them all the information that you have.

Joe Fibel
New Rochelle, NY

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e-mail address #general

helen saltman <hsalt@...>
 

For anyone who may have tried to e-mail me the last week, my server failed.
This is my new e-mail address:
hsalt@earthlink.net

Helen Saltman
Kensington, Calif.

Searching: SALTZBERG; SILBERSKY; SCHMEGELSKY/SHMIGELSKY; BORER; GEMMER;


MODERATOR NOTE: Please change your address in the JGFF as well as the
address at which you receive subscriptions to the Discussion Group and any
SIG lists. Instructions can be found on the JewishGen website at the JGFF,
Discussion Group, and SIG pages.


Searching: Romuald DAMBROWSKI (Roman DOMBROWSKI) #general

Willie Glaser <velvel@...>
 

Looking for relatives or persons who know of Romuald DAMBROWSKI (Roman
DOMBROWSKI), born 1914 in Poland, deported to Siberia, during WWll joined
the Polish army under British command. After the war he lived in Israel, he
died there in 1985. Any help is most welcome.

Willie Glaser, St. Laurent Quebec, Canada.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen e-mail address #general

helen saltman <hsalt@...>
 

For anyone who may have tried to e-mail me the last week, my server failed.
This is my new e-mail address:
hsalt@earthlink.net

Helen Saltman
Kensington, Calif.

Searching: SALTZBERG; SILBERSKY; SCHMEGELSKY/SHMIGELSKY; BORER; GEMMER;


MODERATOR NOTE: Please change your address in the JGFF as well as the
address at which you receive subscriptions to the Discussion Group and any
SIG lists. Instructions can be found on the JewishGen website at the JGFF,
Discussion Group, and SIG pages.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: Romuald DAMBROWSKI (Roman DOMBROWSKI) #general

Willie Glaser <velvel@...>
 

Looking for relatives or persons who know of Romuald DAMBROWSKI (Roman
DOMBROWSKI), born 1914 in Poland, deported to Siberia, during WWll joined
the Polish army under British command. After the war he lived in Israel, he
died there in 1985. Any help is most welcome.

Willie Glaser, St. Laurent Quebec, Canada.


Looking for Ethel LIEBERMAN #general

Phyllis Blumenfeld <plblum@...>
 

Ethel LIEBERMAN who graduated >from PS 100 in Bklyn in 1938 and then
went on to Girls Commercial H.S.
My friend Nita ZEIDMAN would like to find her.
Please answer privately as Nita does not have a computer.

Phyllis Blumenfeld plblum@amanda.dorsai.org
researching: POPS,FICHTELBERG/Lemberg & Dobromil, Galicia
BERMAN & ELANDER/Nowy Sacz/Gribov..TRAURIG/Wisnicz/Zwiec/Israel
BERNSTEIN/Lomza/Przasnysz/NYC
BLUMENFELD & SUSSMAN/Iasi/Podul Ilieu..SCHNALL/Russia? Tuckahoe NYC


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for Ethel LIEBERMAN #general

Phyllis Blumenfeld <plblum@...>
 

Ethel LIEBERMAN who graduated >from PS 100 in Bklyn in 1938 and then
went on to Girls Commercial H.S.
My friend Nita ZEIDMAN would like to find her.
Please answer privately as Nita does not have a computer.

Phyllis Blumenfeld plblum@amanda.dorsai.org
researching: POPS,FICHTELBERG/Lemberg & Dobromil, Galicia
BERMAN & ELANDER/Nowy Sacz/Gribov..TRAURIG/Wisnicz/Zwiec/Israel
BERNSTEIN/Lomza/Przasnysz/NYC
BLUMENFELD & SUSSMAN/Iasi/Podul Ilieu..SCHNALL/Russia? Tuckahoe NYC


1919 Ohio Death Certificate Questions! #general

buffmufin
 

I just received in the mail a death certificate for a stillborn baby
born in Toledo, Ohio in 1919. In the space indicated for "Place of Burial,
cremation or removal" it is typed "Eagle Point" The undertaker is listed as
the father of the infant (who, in fact, was not an undertaker).

I cannot find any listings for an Eagle Point Cemetery, or any place
called Eagle Point in Ohio. If this is/was not a cemetery, does this mean
the deceased infant's remains were given to his father? And what is, or
what was, Eagle's Point?

Thanks in advance for any help!



Carol Kunkis Cohn
Newport Beach, CA

Searching:
KOSSOI/KOSSOY/KOSOFF - Vetka, Chechersk, Zagor'ye, Belarus;
SKOLNIKOF (and alternate) - Vetka, Belarus
KUNKIS - Glubokoye, Belarus
SCHRIER, PACHTER - Yarmolinits, Kam-Podolsk, Ukraine


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen 1919 Ohio Death Certificate Questions! #general

buffmufin
 

I just received in the mail a death certificate for a stillborn baby
born in Toledo, Ohio in 1919. In the space indicated for "Place of Burial,
cremation or removal" it is typed "Eagle Point" The undertaker is listed as
the father of the infant (who, in fact, was not an undertaker).

I cannot find any listings for an Eagle Point Cemetery, or any place
called Eagle Point in Ohio. If this is/was not a cemetery, does this mean
the deceased infant's remains were given to his father? And what is, or
what was, Eagle's Point?

Thanks in advance for any help!



Carol Kunkis Cohn
Newport Beach, CA

Searching:
KOSSOI/KOSSOY/KOSOFF - Vetka, Chechersk, Zagor'ye, Belarus;
SKOLNIKOF (and alternate) - Vetka, Belarus
KUNKIS - Glubokoye, Belarus
SCHRIER, PACHTER - Yarmolinits, Kam-Podolsk, Ukraine


Name changes and Posting #ukraine

mjssds@...
 

A. We have a moderator who can make the call if the post is wasteful or
not. I believe we should welcome new searchers and help them along as has
been the case on this site As I expand my search to my wife's family I
have found the other sites really cooperative, Romanaia for example,
where I am starting fresh.
I for one have made contact a cousin's brother in law and he has been a
truly great resource in teaming with me in my search.

B. This is not a flame but my grandfather's name and my father and GMs
names were spelled differently on their respective ship's manifests of
which I have copies. So at a minimum we know the shipping companies were
not models of consistency and certainly did not have standard approaches.
In the USA people registering our ancestors as you have said did not have
the "authority" to change names and according to what I was told were
often immigrants themselves. If you think there weren't misspellings and
mistakes, bad copying etc., purposeful or not,and if you think that the
average immigrant was going to challenge authority that could send them
back, it is simply not the case. So, bottom line, you're right no
authority to do so, but somehow it happened nevertheless, I'll blame
fatigue and human error. Sort of like what happens when you count votes
manaually:-).

Stephen Sperman


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Name changes and Posting #ukraine

mjssds@...
 

A. We have a moderator who can make the call if the post is wasteful or
not. I believe we should welcome new searchers and help them along as has
been the case on this site As I expand my search to my wife's family I
have found the other sites really cooperative, Romanaia for example,
where I am starting fresh.
I for one have made contact a cousin's brother in law and he has been a
truly great resource in teaming with me in my search.

B. This is not a flame but my grandfather's name and my father and GMs
names were spelled differently on their respective ship's manifests of
which I have copies. So at a minimum we know the shipping companies were
not models of consistency and certainly did not have standard approaches.
In the USA people registering our ancestors as you have said did not have
the "authority" to change names and according to what I was told were
often immigrants themselves. If you think there weren't misspellings and
mistakes, bad copying etc., purposeful or not,and if you think that the
average immigrant was going to challenge authority that could send them
back, it is simply not the case. So, bottom line, you're right no
authority to do so, but somehow it happened nevertheless, I'll blame
fatigue and human error. Sort of like what happens when you count votes
manaually:-).

Stephen Sperman


Re: Questions posted here #ukraine

JGLois@...
 

Cheryl Kantor wrote:> "How about taking advantage of everything,
including throwing out the names on the net just to see what happens?"


Cheryl, (and others who are new to Jewish genealogy)

Of course you are correct. But, you will notice that I prefaced my
message by saying "If you are serious about finding your family
history." . . . As we both know, this pursuit is more intense than
a casual "fishing" expedition. The postings to which I made comment
are the ones that are tantamount to the request for "my file" . . . . .
which reminds me.

You might get a kick out of "A Jewish Genealogic Fable" posted to
Jewishgen by one of it's great contributors, Dan Leeson, way back
in it's formative years.

http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/dlfable.txt

Enjoy!
Lois Sernoff <JGLois@aol.com>


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Questions posted here #ukraine

JGLois@...
 

Cheryl Kantor wrote:> "How about taking advantage of everything,
including throwing out the names on the net just to see what happens?"


Cheryl, (and others who are new to Jewish genealogy)

Of course you are correct. But, you will notice that I prefaced my
message by saying "If you are serious about finding your family
history." . . . As we both know, this pursuit is more intense than
a casual "fishing" expedition. The postings to which I made comment
are the ones that are tantamount to the request for "my file" . . . . .
which reminds me.

You might get a kick out of "A Jewish Genealogic Fable" posted to
Jewishgen by one of it's great contributors, Dan Leeson, way back
in it's formative years.

http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/dlfable.txt

Enjoy!
Lois Sernoff <JGLois@aol.com>


Re: Questions posted here #ukraine

JLowenkron@...
 

Dear Deborah,
Please dont get discouraged or feel very hurt by one persons'
response.........we all have to ask very basic questions in the beginning and
I feel that those of us who are more experienced should be more kindly in
our responses to those who are just starting out......sharing information is
the very crux of a discussion group and hurting feelings the very
antithesis........Jane Lowenkron Foss


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Questions posted here #ukraine

JLowenkron@...
 

Dear Deborah,
Please dont get discouraged or feel very hurt by one persons'
response.........we all have to ask very basic questions in the beginning and
I feel that those of us who are more experienced should be more kindly in
our responses to those who are just starting out......sharing information is
the very crux of a discussion group and hurting feelings the very
antithesis........Jane Lowenkron Foss


STOURM #general

samuel kerjbaum <samk080@...>
 

I'm doing some geanological research. The father of my great grand father
came >from Galicia to France in 1880, his name was Jacob STOURM that's the
french spelling . Do someone know what the original one was?
thank you for your help


Surnames and places #general

IRSWED <irswed@...>
 

KOSTETSKY, KOSTEL, KOSS, JOSEPH, WOVCHUCK, YUDKOVSKY,KOFSKY,
EISENBERG,SAVITT,SERVETNICK,SARVETNICK,SARAVETNICK,
PLITNICK,PERELMAN,KISS,BROUDY,KLAVIR,ROMASIH,ROMAISK,EDWARD,SCHALAND,ROSEN.

Places: Kremenec,Shepatevka,Belarus,Sverdlovsk,Shmisk(?).

TIA, Irene Swedroe, IRSWED@aol.com

MODERATOR NOTE: Please list your names in the JGFF at
< http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/ >.


Re: The given name Leyb #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

Alexander Sharon wrote:

Leyb is Yiddish for Hebrew Arye (others: Leon, Lion, Lew, Lev). I do not
aware of the direct connection to Yehuda, but this used to be a common
combination in the double name: LeybYuda.

The connection between Leyb and Yehuda is the Lion of Judah-the symbol of
the tribe- so Judah-Yehuda and Lion-Leyb go together.

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY


Re: Success with an Indifferent Relative #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

I have often called unknown relatives and had a lot of success. I
always make sure to point out that my grandmother was ...and that is
your brother's wife's whatever-if I know. I also say how I got their
name and phone number-either >from someone they are related to or through
a phonebook. By the time I have given them the information and offered
more, I have never had any problem with people thinking I am stealing
their identity-I make sure that I give them a lot and promise more.

I have sent out many copies of pictures and descendency charts to show
that I know what I am talking about.

I talked to one man near Boston who was a fourth cousin. That branch
had changed the family name, and I mentioned that there were other
family members in a nearby town who had also changed the family name to
something else. The patriarch of that family had an odd first name,
when I mentioned it the first man said he was playing golf with the
second man's son the next day! I said to tell him that they are
cousins!

I have often gotten further people to call >from the first contact, so I
mention that so-and-so said that I should call. People often know of a
relative that knows much more than they themselves do.

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY