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Volunteer thank you! #general

Diane Frankel <dlfrankel@...>
 

This is a thank you >from the JewishGen LostnFound Support Desk to all of the
wonderful JewishGennners who volunteered to make phone calls in foreign
countries. We have kept all of your names and may call upon one or more of
you in the future. We appreciate your JewishGenerosity.

JewishGen LostnFound Desk
dlfrankel@mindspring.com


National Archives Lists of Korea and Vietnam Casuality lists #general

Adelle Gloger
 

Dear JewishGen Community,

After 'getting lost in cyberspace', I came accross a website for NARA
Center for Electronic Records. Accessible is a State-by-State listing of
casualities of the Korean and Vietnam Wars. The names of the men/women are
listed along with rank, branch of military, residence, date of birth, date
of death, cause of death. This looks like it might have some meaningful
information for those researching relatives who were killed/captured during
these conflicts. There is also available lists of US Military Personnel
from Canada, UK, Guam and other areas.
The direct link is:
<A HREF="http://www.nara.gov/nara/electronic/">Center for Electronic Records</A>

The URL is: http://www.nara.gov/nara/electronic/

I hope this site will be useful.

Adelle Weintraub Gloger
Shaker Hts., Ohio
agloger@aol.com


Re: Genealogical search engine #general

BetteJoy <bettejoy@...>
 

Tom, Thank you for a wonderful research site.

Betty Provizer Starkman
Michigan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Volunteer thank you! #general

Diane Frankel <dlfrankel@...>
 

This is a thank you >from the JewishGen LostnFound Support Desk to all of the
wonderful JewishGennners who volunteered to make phone calls in foreign
countries. We have kept all of your names and may call upon one or more of
you in the future. We appreciate your JewishGenerosity.

JewishGen LostnFound Desk
dlfrankel@mindspring.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen National Archives Lists of Korea and Vietnam Casuality lists #general

Adelle Gloger
 

Dear JewishGen Community,

After 'getting lost in cyberspace', I came accross a website for NARA
Center for Electronic Records. Accessible is a State-by-State listing of
casualities of the Korean and Vietnam Wars. The names of the men/women are
listed along with rank, branch of military, residence, date of birth, date
of death, cause of death. This looks like it might have some meaningful
information for those researching relatives who were killed/captured during
these conflicts. There is also available lists of US Military Personnel
from Canada, UK, Guam and other areas.
The direct link is:
<A HREF="http://www.nara.gov/nara/electronic/">Center for Electronic Records</A>

The URL is: http://www.nara.gov/nara/electronic/

I hope this site will be useful.

Adelle Weintraub Gloger
Shaker Hts., Ohio
agloger@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Genealogical search engine #general

BetteJoy <bettejoy@...>
 

Tom, Thank you for a wonderful research site.

Betty Provizer Starkman
Michigan


Jewish Bakers and Passover Cake Bakers - London - 1800 to 1901 #general

Laurence Harris <laurence_harris@...>
 

Thank you to all those who responded to my posting on Passover
Cake Bakers. New names and addresses are included in the list
below. I have now widened my research to include all Jewish
Bakers and Passover Cake Bakers in London >from 1800 to 1901.

The names and addresses below are an extract of some of the
entries in this new database (which is growing rapidly!). The
address may represent either the bakery or a residential address
of the baker (often the same). Whilst most entries are for
bakers, a few are for related family, business partners or other
connections. The date usually indicates a date when the bakery
was operational (but occasionally represents another event eg
marriage, death). Where several dates are know, this extract
only indicates the first date.

In most instances, I have more information in the database about
these names and addresses, which I would be pleased to share.


Surname First Names Date Address
------- ----------- ---- -------
AARONS Benjamin 1849 36 Duke St 
ABRAHAM Samuel 1805 30 Islington Rd 
ABRAHAMS J 1828 9 Gun Sq
ABRAHAMS John 1861 4 Meeting House Square, Hounsditch
ABRAHAMS John c1862 31 Middlesex Street
ABRAHAMS John 29 Middlesex Street

...

WOLFE COHEN Esther (East End)
WOOLF Joel 1866 4 New St, Houndsditch 
WOOLF Michael 1855 Love Court, Middlesex Street
WOOLF Michael 1854 3 St James Place, Aldgate
Copyright Laurence Harris 2000

Please let me know of any names or addresses that you consider
should be added to the database.

If anyone is researching, or knows or some else researching,
this topic, please could they contact me so we avoid any
unnecessary duplication of research effort.

I would also appreciate suggestions for sources of information
covering Jewish bakers of this period. The sources I have used
so far include:
- UK Census information
- Kelly's (and similar) London trade directories
- Jewish Chronicle
- Searches on JewishGen Discussion Group Archives
- Sun Insurance Records
- Information submitted directly to me by mail or e-mail.

Laurence Harris
Pinner, Middlesex, England

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time-consuming process, we have removed the middle portion of the table.
Please contact Laurence Harris privately for further information.

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to make tabular material of this sort available as an InfoFile or database,
rather than submitting it for posting in the Discussion Group. To obtain
help in this process, please write the the JewishGen Support Desk at
<support@jewishgen.org>.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jewish Bakers and Passover Cake Bakers - London - 1800 to 1901 #general

Laurence Harris <laurence_harris@...>
 

Thank you to all those who responded to my posting on Passover
Cake Bakers. New names and addresses are included in the list
below. I have now widened my research to include all Jewish
Bakers and Passover Cake Bakers in London >from 1800 to 1901.

The names and addresses below are an extract of some of the
entries in this new database (which is growing rapidly!). The
address may represent either the bakery or a residential address
of the baker (often the same). Whilst most entries are for
bakers, a few are for related family, business partners or other
connections. The date usually indicates a date when the bakery
was operational (but occasionally represents another event eg
marriage, death). Where several dates are know, this extract
only indicates the first date.

In most instances, I have more information in the database about
these names and addresses, which I would be pleased to share.


Surname First Names Date Address
------- ----------- ---- -------
AARONS Benjamin 1849 36 Duke St 
ABRAHAM Samuel 1805 30 Islington Rd 
ABRAHAMS J 1828 9 Gun Sq
ABRAHAMS John 1861 4 Meeting House Square, Hounsditch
ABRAHAMS John c1862 31 Middlesex Street
ABRAHAMS John 29 Middlesex Street

...

WOLFE COHEN Esther (East End)
WOOLF Joel 1866 4 New St, Houndsditch 
WOOLF Michael 1855 Love Court, Middlesex Street
WOOLF Michael 1854 3 St James Place, Aldgate
Copyright Laurence Harris 2000

Please let me know of any names or addresses that you consider
should be added to the database.

If anyone is researching, or knows or some else researching,
this topic, please could they contact me so we avoid any
unnecessary duplication of research effort.

I would also appreciate suggestions for sources of information
covering Jewish bakers of this period. The sources I have used
so far include:
- UK Census information
- Kelly's (and similar) London trade directories
- Jewish Chronicle
- Searches on JewishGen Discussion Group Archives
- Sun Insurance Records
- Information submitted directly to me by mail or e-mail.

Laurence Harris
Pinner, Middlesex, England

MODERATOR NOTE: Tables such as the one above do not retain their formatting
in this list, as tabs are interpreted differently in different e-mail and
newsgroup programs and on different computers. We have therefore replaced
tabs with spaces, and the table will appear normal when displayed in a
monospaced font such as Courier. Because this reformatting is a laborious,
time-consuming process, we have removed the middle portion of the table.
Please contact Laurence Harris privately for further information.

Genners are asked (see section 2.4 of the JewishGen Discussion Group Rules)
to make tabular material of this sort available as an InfoFile or database,
rather than submitting it for posting in the Discussion Group. To obtain
help in this process, please write the the JewishGen Support Desk at
<support@jewishgen.org>.


Rotterdam ships #ukraine

Howard M. Kaplan <howardmk@...>
 

Is there any list showing ships (or certain lines) sailing from
Rotterdam to Canadian ports in, say, 1905? Was Montreal the ONLY port
for those ships departing Europe for Canada? A recent resource
indicates my ancestors traveled >from the Ukraine (Zhitomir region) to
Rotterdam to Canada and to the US "by train >from Montreal." TIA for
any assistance.

Howard M. Kaplan
Colorado USA


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Rotterdam ships #ukraine

Howard M. Kaplan <howardmk@...>
 

Is there any list showing ships (or certain lines) sailing from
Rotterdam to Canadian ports in, say, 1905? Was Montreal the ONLY port
for those ships departing Europe for Canada? A recent resource
indicates my ancestors traveled >from the Ukraine (Zhitomir region) to
Rotterdam to Canada and to the US "by train >from Montreal." TIA for
any assistance.

Howard M. Kaplan
Colorado USA


Re: Name changes and Posting #ukraine

Mario Jeifetz <mjeifetz@...>
 

Lois Sernoff wrote
You should also consider the fact that the spelling of the name on
the manifest was only as "good" as it was pronounced by the immigrant.
Most of the pursors, on the shipping lines that carried the vast majority
of the immigrants, were pretty adept at spelling the names phonetically.
Of course, the immigrant would not challenge that spelling because
they had no clue to what was being written. Most of the immigrants of
E. European Jewish origin would not have even recognized the alphabet
being used.
In 1889 arrived the first group of Jewish colonist to Argentina. They were
originated >from Kamenetz-Podolsk, called then the "podoliers", abt. 830
people in 130 families that settled and created Moises Ville.
One of the old women in the shipping list was Ite Shwigermutter. Can't you
imagine what happened? She went to the officer desk, and with her thumb
showing the precedent man, she wanted to tell she was her Shviger (ij bin de
shvigermutter), so her surname, as the officer writhed what he listened,
become Shwigermutter. W and V were interchangeable in Spanish, the first one
was used for East European immigrants almost always.

Mario Jeifetz
Moises Ville
Argentina

MODERATOR's note: This thread has ended.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Name changes and Posting #ukraine

Mario Jeifetz <mjeifetz@...>
 

Lois Sernoff wrote
You should also consider the fact that the spelling of the name on
the manifest was only as "good" as it was pronounced by the immigrant.
Most of the pursors, on the shipping lines that carried the vast majority
of the immigrants, were pretty adept at spelling the names phonetically.
Of course, the immigrant would not challenge that spelling because
they had no clue to what was being written. Most of the immigrants of
E. European Jewish origin would not have even recognized the alphabet
being used.
In 1889 arrived the first group of Jewish colonist to Argentina. They were
originated >from Kamenetz-Podolsk, called then the "podoliers", abt. 830
people in 130 families that settled and created Moises Ville.
One of the old women in the shipping list was Ite Shwigermutter. Can't you
imagine what happened? She went to the officer desk, and with her thumb
showing the precedent man, she wanted to tell she was her Shviger (ij bin de
shvigermutter), so her surname, as the officer writhed what he listened,
become Shwigermutter. W and V were interchangeable in Spanish, the first one
was used for East European immigrants almost always.

Mario Jeifetz
Moises Ville
Argentina

MODERATOR's note: This thread has ended.


Belarus records discussion #belarus

Miriam Margolyes <75342.3217@...>
 

Ellen Sadove Renck wrote:
I would like to add these comments to those of Gladys. Dave,
Elsebeth, and Edward deserve our gratitude for the incredible
amount of work that they do on our behalf without fanfare and
for its outstanding result.
-------------
This deserves repeating as I would hate anyone to
think that I wasn't aware of the work & time &
expertise expended by these terrific people. As I put in my
original letter, no-one has done more for this group than
Dave Fox. Indeed, my letter came becauseof his letter to ask for
comments & ideas-what I am interested in is discussion &
communication on Belarus records, which this Forum expressly
encourages.

I don't think it's wrong or mean-spirited to suggest other
approaches or ideas: it's what I consider is our duty as
members of this Group. And nothing in my original email
should give anyone cause for alarm or despondency - I
want us all to continue to pursue the methods being used
now but also to ponder that it's possible to have another
means of opening up records-a means demonstrably working
in the JRI-Poland example.

I would add to my original email that a most important
part of my idea would be a "phased" financial payment to
Belarus. That way, one sees if the scheme is working &
that monies collected are finding their way to the right
place.

I know & love Frank Swartz, who took the trouble to write an
excellent & clear expression of his reaction to my proposal.

His knowledge of Belarus comes >from living there, being
married to a wonderful Belarusian (who helped me in
so many way when I was there) & to whom huge deference
should be paid for his understanding of the situation there.
It is typical of his honesty that he explains at the start how
such a change would affect him & his charitable work, which
I am proud to say I have supported.

Miriam MARGOLYES
Santa Monica
born in the UK

e-mail: 75342.3217@compuserve.com

Searching:
MARGOLYES (Indura)
PACEWICZ (Grodno)
SCHILDKRAUT (Tarnow)


Belarus SIG #Belarus Belarus records discussion #belarus

Miriam Margolyes <75342.3217@...>
 

Ellen Sadove Renck wrote:
I would like to add these comments to those of Gladys. Dave,
Elsebeth, and Edward deserve our gratitude for the incredible
amount of work that they do on our behalf without fanfare and
for its outstanding result.
-------------
This deserves repeating as I would hate anyone to
think that I wasn't aware of the work & time &
expertise expended by these terrific people. As I put in my
original letter, no-one has done more for this group than
Dave Fox. Indeed, my letter came becauseof his letter to ask for
comments & ideas-what I am interested in is discussion &
communication on Belarus records, which this Forum expressly
encourages.

I don't think it's wrong or mean-spirited to suggest other
approaches or ideas: it's what I consider is our duty as
members of this Group. And nothing in my original email
should give anyone cause for alarm or despondency - I
want us all to continue to pursue the methods being used
now but also to ponder that it's possible to have another
means of opening up records-a means demonstrably working
in the JRI-Poland example.

I would add to my original email that a most important
part of my idea would be a "phased" financial payment to
Belarus. That way, one sees if the scheme is working &
that monies collected are finding their way to the right
place.

I know & love Frank Swartz, who took the trouble to write an
excellent & clear expression of his reaction to my proposal.

His knowledge of Belarus comes >from living there, being
married to a wonderful Belarusian (who helped me in
so many way when I was there) & to whom huge deference
should be paid for his understanding of the situation there.
It is typical of his honesty that he explains at the start how
such a change would affect him & his charitable work, which
I am proud to say I have supported.

Miriam MARGOLYES
Santa Monica
born in the UK

e-mail: 75342.3217@compuserve.com

Searching:
MARGOLYES (Indura)
PACEWICZ (Grodno)
SCHILDKRAUT (Tarnow)


JGS of Long Island Meeting #general

Jackie Wasserstein
 

You are invited to attend the next meeting of the JGS of Long Island.

Our guest speaker is Oral/Personal historian, Julie McCullough. She will
offer practical tips for conducting successful interviews.

Date: Dec 17, 2000
Time: 2:OOPM
Place: Mid-Island Y JCC 45 Manetto Hill Road Plainview, New York

All are welcome. Admission is free. Refreshments will be served.

For more information or directions please contact Rhoda, rmiller871@aol.com
or Jackie, jwasserst@aol.com

Jackie Wasserstein
President


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS of Long Island Meeting #general

Jackie Wasserstein
 

You are invited to attend the next meeting of the JGS of Long Island.

Our guest speaker is Oral/Personal historian, Julie McCullough. She will
offer practical tips for conducting successful interviews.

Date: Dec 17, 2000
Time: 2:OOPM
Place: Mid-Island Y JCC 45 Manetto Hill Road Plainview, New York

All are welcome. Admission is free. Refreshments will be served.

For more information or directions please contact Rhoda, rmiller871@aol.com
or Jackie, jwasserst@aol.com

Jackie Wasserstein
President


Question: records not in Lodz U.S.C. #lodz #poland

Seflaum@...
 

Dear Fellow Researchers,

There are some mysteries I would like to solve about my family so I'm
wondering if anyone can shed some light:

1) Why were some Jewish birth, marriage and death records in Lodz not
reported to the Lodz U.S.C. in the 1910s, 1920s and 1930s? I know that my
family were marrying and having children in Lodz during this time period, yet
none of their records show up.

2) Why would a married Jewish couple, already having an 8-year-old child, be
required to remarry in a civil ceremony in the Lodz ghetto in 1941? (Their
marriage in Lodz around 1933 does not show up in the Lodz U.S.C.)

3) Why would someone go to a court in Lodz in 1946 to have someone declared
legally deceased? This woman, her husband and children all died in the
Holocaust, according to the Pages of Testimony >from Yad Vashem. They were all
from Piotrkow-Trybunalski.
If anyone has any answers, I would appreciate hearing >from you.
Regards,
Shirley Rotbein Flaum
Houston, Texas


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland Question: records not in Lodz U.S.C. #lodz #poland

Seflaum@...
 

Dear Fellow Researchers,

There are some mysteries I would like to solve about my family so I'm
wondering if anyone can shed some light:

1) Why were some Jewish birth, marriage and death records in Lodz not
reported to the Lodz U.S.C. in the 1910s, 1920s and 1930s? I know that my
family were marrying and having children in Lodz during this time period, yet
none of their records show up.

2) Why would a married Jewish couple, already having an 8-year-old child, be
required to remarry in a civil ceremony in the Lodz ghetto in 1941? (Their
marriage in Lodz around 1933 does not show up in the Lodz U.S.C.)

3) Why would someone go to a court in Lodz in 1946 to have someone declared
legally deceased? This woman, her husband and children all died in the
Holocaust, according to the Pages of Testimony >from Yad Vashem. They were all
from Piotrkow-Trybunalski.
If anyone has any answers, I would appreciate hearing >from you.
Regards,
Shirley Rotbein Flaum
Houston, Texas


Duma Lists/Status of the Pinsk City Portion #belarus

ADAVIS <ADAVIS@...>
 

Siggers:

First of all, a hearty Yasher Koach to the entire team that worked on the
Duma List project. It was a large undertaking and the work will undoubtedly
assist many in their research.

There has been some internal discussion regarding the reasons for largely
incomplete Pinsk City Duma list, and undoubtedly there will be a good number
of questions to the SIG and to Dave Fox on the missing portions as well.
For the record, and to avoid DG clutter on the subject, this was a result
of low quaility source material.

Obviously, this is a large piece of the puzzle to those of us researching
Pinsk proper and it is important enough to investigate further. We are
working to acquire better copies of the Pinsk city portion for translation.
We are actively pursuing 2 scenarios which will allow us to gain access to
the lists in short order.

We need your help to that end, and there are a few means of doing so:

1. If you have a relationship with the New York Public Library, either
personally or professionally, please email Dave Fox or myself.
2. If you can get to the NYPL and assist with the printing of microfilmed
material, please email Dave Fox or myself.
3. If you would like to contribute financially to the completion of the
project, please email Dave Fox or myself.
4. As always, if you read Russian (this is block print) please tell us as
we may require your assistance in translation.

We are going to make sure that we access this list one way or another and
include it in the All Belarus Database. Let us know if you are able to
assist us in any way.


Adam Davis
Chicago
Dobzewitz, Seltzer, Rubacha, Klitnick, Kolinchick - Pinsk Uzyed


Belarus SIG #Belarus Duma Lists/Status of the Pinsk City Portion #belarus

ADAVIS <ADAVIS@...>
 

Siggers:

First of all, a hearty Yasher Koach to the entire team that worked on the
Duma List project. It was a large undertaking and the work will undoubtedly
assist many in their research.

There has been some internal discussion regarding the reasons for largely
incomplete Pinsk City Duma list, and undoubtedly there will be a good number
of questions to the SIG and to Dave Fox on the missing portions as well.
For the record, and to avoid DG clutter on the subject, this was a result
of low quaility source material.

Obviously, this is a large piece of the puzzle to those of us researching
Pinsk proper and it is important enough to investigate further. We are
working to acquire better copies of the Pinsk city portion for translation.
We are actively pursuing 2 scenarios which will allow us to gain access to
the lists in short order.

We need your help to that end, and there are a few means of doing so:

1. If you have a relationship with the New York Public Library, either
personally or professionally, please email Dave Fox or myself.
2. If you can get to the NYPL and assist with the printing of microfilmed
material, please email Dave Fox or myself.
3. If you would like to contribute financially to the completion of the
project, please email Dave Fox or myself.
4. As always, if you read Russian (this is block print) please tell us as
we may require your assistance in translation.

We are going to make sure that we access this list one way or another and
include it in the All Belarus Database. Let us know if you are able to
assist us in any way.


Adam Davis
Chicago
Dobzewitz, Seltzer, Rubacha, Klitnick, Kolinchick - Pinsk Uzyed