Re: Getting family response
#general
bill farran <farran@...>
For my parent's 60th university we decided to produce a family history
book. A questionnaire was sent out. Those people who responded were included in the book which was given out at the party. Family members who did not respond now wanted to be included and receive a book. Now they all responded and new pages were sent to those who had originally responded and new books were made for the late comers. Bill Farran
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Part One re"1900 jobs and salaries in New York"
#general
NFatouros@...
Edward Rosenbaum's 11-25-00 inquiry concerned jobs and salaries in New
York City in 1901, and the typical prices then paid for for various goods. A year ago I was curious about these subjects because my father had always emphasized how poor his family had been when he was growing up on New York's Lower East Side (1900-1920). Although my father said that his father Nathan FELDMAN was a tailor, Nathan's ship manifest listed him as an upholsterer, but his naturalization petition said he was a presser. Other than learning about the great weights of antique pressing irons and how they were heated, and about the terrible conditions in which clothes were made, I didn't have much more information about Nathan's family and how they lived, so I tried to find out the cost of living back then. Instead finding and leafing through "The Journal of Economic History" and "The Journal of Urban History" or scrolling through NYTimes microfilmed articles, I lazily went scrounging on the Internet. The first URL I clicked on, which I failed to note, showed that the average annual earnings in 1900 was $418 (equivalent in 1998 to $7,993), and that one pound of bacon cost 14 cents (equivalent in 1998 to $2.68). Being a woman of Jewish heritage, I went on to find: http://www.nhmccd.edu/contracts/lrc/kc/decade00.html which said that the wage of the average worker was $12.98 for 59 hours per week. At: http://www.nv.cc.va.us/home/nvsageh/Hist122/Part1/WorkingMen.htm I learned that a sweatshop girl in Brownsville (Brooklyn) earned $4.50 per week, starting at $2.00. She eventually earned $5.00. She paid $2.00 for a room and apparently had a hot plate to heat up coffee and a bun. At dinner she ate a bowl of soup and slice of bread with her landlady. (At another website whose URL I also failed to note, said that a cup of coffee cost one cent.) At: http://www.therblig.com/riis/chap11.html I found that, according to Jacob Riis, "The Sweaters of Jewtown" young seamstresses earned >from $2.00 to $5.00 a week. Bread cost 15 cents, a quart of milk, 4 cents, a pound of meat 12 cents, butter was 8 cents per quarter pound, and coal was 10 cents a pail. (According to a number of books and the testimony of my late sister's long deceased friend, people gleaned bits of coal fallen >from delivery carts, and many children enoyed stealing fruit and potatoes >from pushcarts.) Riis also wrote that one restaurant's dinner of soup, meat steww, bread, pie,pickles and a schooner of beer cost 13 cents. A rival restaurant charged 15 cents, but the meal included two schooners of beer and a cigar or cigarette. At: http://www.senioract.com/wwwboard/messages/4895.html a Catherine DeMoss posted a response to someone's question and, not citing her source, listed prices for various food items for the period between 1890 and 1915 as well as prices for miscellaneous household and other items which she may have found in an old Sears Roebuck catologue or some similar source. She also noted that in Detroit a trolley car ride cost a nickel. According to Dorothy Parker's site, http://www.bway.net/~kfifty/dhaunts.htm [Mod Note: URL was not accessible] a NYC subway ride had cost a nickel. (The price for NYC trolley, bus and subway rides stayed a nickel even when I was a small child (pre 1940) and could ride for free on my mother's lap. Years later the price of trolley and buse rides went up to 10 and 15 cents, but my mother was glad to pay double or more because she hated the subway and, although my father used the subway to get to his office, she forbade me to use it when at last she permitted me to travel about New York unaccompanied.) At: http://www.chipublib.org/004chicago/1900/fam.html prices for food are listed according to the 18th Annual Report of the U.S. Commissioner of Labor: "Cost per pound : Rib Roast $.13, Chuck Steak $.08, Sirloin $.14, Corned Beef $.06, Butter $.22, Cheese $.17, Coffee $.14, Flour $.02, Lard $.10, Mutton $.08, Pork Chops, $.10, Rice $.06, Sugar $.06 Other prices: Dry Beans quart $.09, Bread 1 pound loaf $.05, Eggs dozen $.18, Milk quart $.06, Molasses gallon $.60, Irish Potatoes Bushel $.39." The same site says that tenement apartments of two or three small dark roms rented for $4.00-7.00 per week. The average rent in slum areas was from $8.00-10.00 per month with heat and bath not included (or, I should add, not even provided in many cases). Also, I know that the heating arrangment could be a coal stove or kerosene heater- both of which good for heating up pressing irons! Water closets were shared and were either in a hallway or under the stairs. Or there were poorly drained outhouses in the yard. For more about tenements see Chapter 5 of Moses Richin's "The Promised City: New York's Jews: 1870-1914." A bath in a bathing establishment cost 25 cents but there were also free public baths which charged for soap and towel and limited the minutes spent. For more about these topics see the section "Water, Water, All You Want:Keeping Clean" in Neil M. Cowan and Ruth Schwartz Cowan, "Our Parents' Lives." I must also remark that people also washed themselves with heated or unheated water in basins. The water was drawn >from a tap in the apartment or carried in a pail upstairs >from a pump in the yard. Often, children were bathed in the kitchen sink. About lodging hotels, the Chicago site said that single men with steady employment paid 14-50 cents a night at a better class place where there was a bathroom down the hall and separate rooms for each renter. Cheaper rooms which cost 20 cents had partitions and poor sanitary conditions (which may mean that there were no indoor toilets). The very cheapest hotels offered crowded floor space for 2 cents, but for 5 cents a dirty mattress could be rented. For free, one could also sleep on the floors of the police stations, space for which was in heavy demand. Also at the Chicago site there is a list of occupations and the wages paid for laborers like plasterers, bricklayers, boilermakers, etc., but this list may not be of relevant here because most Jews on the Lower East Side were peddlars and garment workers. (Part Two of this message to follow.) Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN) Bloomington, Indiana NFatouros@aol.com
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Getting family response
#general
bill farran <farran@...>
For my parent's 60th university we decided to produce a family history
book. A questionnaire was sent out. Those people who responded were included in the book which was given out at the party. Family members who did not respond now wanted to be included and receive a book. Now they all responded and new pages were sent to those who had originally responded and new books were made for the late comers. Bill Farran
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Part One re"1900 jobs and salaries in New York"
#general
NFatouros@...
Edward Rosenbaum's 11-25-00 inquiry concerned jobs and salaries in New
York City in 1901, and the typical prices then paid for for various goods. A year ago I was curious about these subjects because my father had always emphasized how poor his family had been when he was growing up on New York's Lower East Side (1900-1920). Although my father said that his father Nathan FELDMAN was a tailor, Nathan's ship manifest listed him as an upholsterer, but his naturalization petition said he was a presser. Other than learning about the great weights of antique pressing irons and how they were heated, and about the terrible conditions in which clothes were made, I didn't have much more information about Nathan's family and how they lived, so I tried to find out the cost of living back then. Instead finding and leafing through "The Journal of Economic History" and "The Journal of Urban History" or scrolling through NYTimes microfilmed articles, I lazily went scrounging on the Internet. The first URL I clicked on, which I failed to note, showed that the average annual earnings in 1900 was $418 (equivalent in 1998 to $7,993), and that one pound of bacon cost 14 cents (equivalent in 1998 to $2.68). Being a woman of Jewish heritage, I went on to find: http://www.nhmccd.edu/contracts/lrc/kc/decade00.html which said that the wage of the average worker was $12.98 for 59 hours per week. At: http://www.nv.cc.va.us/home/nvsageh/Hist122/Part1/WorkingMen.htm I learned that a sweatshop girl in Brownsville (Brooklyn) earned $4.50 per week, starting at $2.00. She eventually earned $5.00. She paid $2.00 for a room and apparently had a hot plate to heat up coffee and a bun. At dinner she ate a bowl of soup and slice of bread with her landlady. (At another website whose URL I also failed to note, said that a cup of coffee cost one cent.) At: http://www.therblig.com/riis/chap11.html I found that, according to Jacob Riis, "The Sweaters of Jewtown" young seamstresses earned >from $2.00 to $5.00 a week. Bread cost 15 cents, a quart of milk, 4 cents, a pound of meat 12 cents, butter was 8 cents per quarter pound, and coal was 10 cents a pail. (According to a number of books and the testimony of my late sister's long deceased friend, people gleaned bits of coal fallen >from delivery carts, and many children enoyed stealing fruit and potatoes >from pushcarts.) Riis also wrote that one restaurant's dinner of soup, meat steww, bread, pie,pickles and a schooner of beer cost 13 cents. A rival restaurant charged 15 cents, but the meal included two schooners of beer and a cigar or cigarette. At: http://www.senioract.com/wwwboard/messages/4895.html a Catherine DeMoss posted a response to someone's question and, not citing her source, listed prices for various food items for the period between 1890 and 1915 as well as prices for miscellaneous household and other items which she may have found in an old Sears Roebuck catologue or some similar source. She also noted that in Detroit a trolley car ride cost a nickel. According to Dorothy Parker's site, http://www.bway.net/~kfifty/dhaunts.htm [Mod Note: URL was not accessible] a NYC subway ride had cost a nickel. (The price for NYC trolley, bus and subway rides stayed a nickel even when I was a small child (pre 1940) and could ride for free on my mother's lap. Years later the price of trolley and buse rides went up to 10 and 15 cents, but my mother was glad to pay double or more because she hated the subway and, although my father used the subway to get to his office, she forbade me to use it when at last she permitted me to travel about New York unaccompanied.) At: http://www.chipublib.org/004chicago/1900/fam.html prices for food are listed according to the 18th Annual Report of the U.S. Commissioner of Labor: "Cost per pound : Rib Roast $.13, Chuck Steak $.08, Sirloin $.14, Corned Beef $.06, Butter $.22, Cheese $.17, Coffee $.14, Flour $.02, Lard $.10, Mutton $.08, Pork Chops, $.10, Rice $.06, Sugar $.06 Other prices: Dry Beans quart $.09, Bread 1 pound loaf $.05, Eggs dozen $.18, Milk quart $.06, Molasses gallon $.60, Irish Potatoes Bushel $.39." The same site says that tenement apartments of two or three small dark roms rented for $4.00-7.00 per week. The average rent in slum areas was from $8.00-10.00 per month with heat and bath not included (or, I should add, not even provided in many cases). Also, I know that the heating arrangment could be a coal stove or kerosene heater- both of which good for heating up pressing irons! Water closets were shared and were either in a hallway or under the stairs. Or there were poorly drained outhouses in the yard. For more about tenements see Chapter 5 of Moses Richin's "The Promised City: New York's Jews: 1870-1914." A bath in a bathing establishment cost 25 cents but there were also free public baths which charged for soap and towel and limited the minutes spent. For more about these topics see the section "Water, Water, All You Want:Keeping Clean" in Neil M. Cowan and Ruth Schwartz Cowan, "Our Parents' Lives." I must also remark that people also washed themselves with heated or unheated water in basins. The water was drawn >from a tap in the apartment or carried in a pail upstairs >from a pump in the yard. Often, children were bathed in the kitchen sink. About lodging hotels, the Chicago site said that single men with steady employment paid 14-50 cents a night at a better class place where there was a bathroom down the hall and separate rooms for each renter. Cheaper rooms which cost 20 cents had partitions and poor sanitary conditions (which may mean that there were no indoor toilets). The very cheapest hotels offered crowded floor space for 2 cents, but for 5 cents a dirty mattress could be rented. For free, one could also sleep on the floors of the police stations, space for which was in heavy demand. Also at the Chicago site there is a list of occupations and the wages paid for laborers like plasterers, bricklayers, boilermakers, etc., but this list may not be of relevant here because most Jews on the Lower East Side were peddlars and garment workers. (Part Two of this message to follow.) Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN) Bloomington, Indiana NFatouros@aol.com
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Sarny Yizkor book
#ukraine
Harriet Brown <hnbrown@...>
Hello fellow Ukraine researchers,
Martha Last asks about a translation of the Sarny Yizkor book. There is in fact on the web right now a partial translation of a Yizkor book called "Jewish partisans and Fighters of Volyn in Their Memory," which may be of interest. You can check for this and other translations at http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/translations.html. By going to http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/database.html, you can check for specifics on the Sarny Yizkor book. Right now there are no contacts listed for the book; maybe Martha, and others on this list, would like to put themselves forth as contacts who want copies of the book. And then, the best way to see that a translation project is begun and put online is to volunteer to head it up yourself! Directions for doing this, and the necessary forms, may be found at http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/translations.html. --Harriet Brown Yizkor Book Project moderator & volunteer
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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Sarny Yizkor book
#ukraine
Harriet Brown <hnbrown@...>
Hello fellow Ukraine researchers,
Martha Last asks about a translation of the Sarny Yizkor book. There is in fact on the web right now a partial translation of a Yizkor book called "Jewish partisans and Fighters of Volyn in Their Memory," which may be of interest. You can check for this and other translations at http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/translations.html. By going to http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/database.html, you can check for specifics on the Sarny Yizkor book. Right now there are no contacts listed for the book; maybe Martha, and others on this list, would like to put themselves forth as contacts who want copies of the book. And then, the best way to see that a translation project is begun and put online is to volunteer to head it up yourself! Directions for doing this, and the necessary forms, may be found at http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/translations.html. --Harriet Brown Yizkor Book Project moderator & volunteer
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Re: ukraine digest: November 27, 2000
#ukraine
SingingTM@...
Melissa,
In searching for Kolchin Kostantin Wolinsky you might consider alternative spellings. For instance, StaroKonstantinov (meaning Old Konstantin) is located in what is now called Volhynia (also referred to as Wolin). Good luck. Jeff Miller Maryland SingingTM@aol.com Researching: [*Edited to 6 lines] BLANKFORD, WHITEMAN, Panevezys, Anywhere, Lithuania; South Africa FRAIDER, Kamenets-Podolskiy, Kuz'min, StaroKonstantinov UKRAINE; Iasi, LAN, Panevezys, Seta, Lithuania; South Africa; LANE, New Jersey, MLYNARZ, Ostroleka, Poland TRACHTENBROIT, Studenitsa, Ukraine UDELL, YUDEL, Lithuania; South Africa; US
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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: ukraine digest: November 27, 2000
#ukraine
SingingTM@...
Melissa,
In searching for Kolchin Kostantin Wolinsky you might consider alternative spellings. For instance, StaroKonstantinov (meaning Old Konstantin) is located in what is now called Volhynia (also referred to as Wolin). Good luck. Jeff Miller Maryland SingingTM@aol.com Researching: [*Edited to 6 lines] BLANKFORD, WHITEMAN, Panevezys, Anywhere, Lithuania; South Africa FRAIDER, Kamenets-Podolskiy, Kuz'min, StaroKonstantinov UKRAINE; Iasi, LAN, Panevezys, Seta, Lithuania; South Africa; LANE, New Jersey, MLYNARZ, Ostroleka, Poland TRACHTENBROIT, Studenitsa, Ukraine UDELL, YUDEL, Lithuania; South Africa; US
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GREAT BOOK on Eastern European Jewish Life
#ukraine
Ginsburg, Paul <GinsburgP@...>
I have read countless books on Eastern European
Jewish life and history and recently came across a fantastic book which should be mandatory reading for anyone whose family comes >from Eastern Europe. The book information is as follows: "Life is With People: The Jewish Little-Town of Eastern Europe" by Mark Zborowski and Elizabeth Herzog. International Universities Press, Inc. New York. 1955. Please e-mail me with any questions. Paul W. Ginsburg Sudilkov Online Landsmanshaft http://www.sudilkov.com Bethesda, MD
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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine GREAT BOOK on Eastern European Jewish Life
#ukraine
Ginsburg, Paul <GinsburgP@...>
I have read countless books on Eastern European
Jewish life and history and recently came across a fantastic book which should be mandatory reading for anyone whose family comes >from Eastern Europe. The book information is as follows: "Life is With People: The Jewish Little-Town of Eastern Europe" by Mark Zborowski and Elizabeth Herzog. International Universities Press, Inc. New York. 1955. Please e-mail me with any questions. Paul W. Ginsburg Sudilkov Online Landsmanshaft http://www.sudilkov.com Bethesda, MD
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Novvy Yarchev yizkor book
#ukraine
Joyce Field <jfield@...>
Translation of the Novvy Yarchev yizkor book is online at the
JewishGen Yizkor Book Project page at http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/Novyy_Yarychev/novyy_yarchev.html. You can do your own lookup for names. Joyce Field JewishGen Yizkor Book Project Manager jfield@jewishgen.org
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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Novvy Yarchev yizkor book
#ukraine
Joyce Field <jfield@...>
Translation of the Novvy Yarchev yizkor book is online at the
JewishGen Yizkor Book Project page at http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/Novyy_Yarychev/novyy_yarchev.html. You can do your own lookup for names. Joyce Field JewishGen Yizkor Book Project Manager jfield@jewishgen.org
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Re: Marriages in the Austro-Hungarian Empire
#hungary
AttilaRona@...
Hi,
This law was in force in Moravia to control the Jewish population. This law forced most of them to get married in another country. Many came to Hungary. Attila Rona
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Marriages in the Austro-Hungarian Empire
#hungary
AttilaRona@...
Hi,
This law was in force in Moravia to control the Jewish population. This law forced most of them to get married in another country. Many came to Hungary. Attila Rona
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Urgent Appeal Re: Artifacts from Bor Slave Labor Units
#hungary
Bob Friedman <inwood@...>
Dear Fellow H-SIG Members,
The Museum of Jewish Heritage in NYC is planning to open an exhibit on the Hungarian Labor Service early next year. Bonnie Gurewitsch, the archivist who is curating the exhibit, specifically needs additional materials on the units who were sent to work in the copper mines at Bor, Yugoslavia (many of whom were later slaughtered during the infamous Cservenka massacre). If you have, or have access to, any artifacts relating to Bor, such as work register-books ("Zsold konyv"), uniforms, photos, etc., please send email to bgurewitsch@mjhnyc.org AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. Thanks! You may also reach Bonnie by phone at (212) 968-1800 ext. 149, or by fax at (212) 968-1368. --Bob Friedman inwood@pipeline.com
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Urgent Appeal Re: Artifacts from Bor Slave Labor Units
#hungary
Bob Friedman <inwood@...>
Dear Fellow H-SIG Members,
The Museum of Jewish Heritage in NYC is planning to open an exhibit on the Hungarian Labor Service early next year. Bonnie Gurewitsch, the archivist who is curating the exhibit, specifically needs additional materials on the units who were sent to work in the copper mines at Bor, Yugoslavia (many of whom were later slaughtered during the infamous Cservenka massacre). If you have, or have access to, any artifacts relating to Bor, such as work register-books ("Zsold konyv"), uniforms, photos, etc., please send email to bgurewitsch@mjhnyc.org AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. Thanks! You may also reach Bonnie by phone at (212) 968-1800 ext. 149, or by fax at (212) 968-1368. --Bob Friedman inwood@pipeline.com
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Getting family response
#general
NTILL10123@...
I've had excellent luck in getting family response.I made it very easy for
them. I worked out a detailed questionnaire, wrote a nice letter and most important enclosed a self addressed stamped emvelope.Your investment of 33 cents will pay off as it obligates the receiver. I also have made it clear that what I'm doing is not only for us, those living today, but for the future generations and to keep the family history alive. I also urge youngesters to ask questions while the older generations are still here. Norman Tillman Albany, NY
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Getting family response
#general
NTILL10123@...
I've had excellent luck in getting family response.I made it very easy for
them. I worked out a detailed questionnaire, wrote a nice letter and most important enclosed a self addressed stamped emvelope.Your investment of 33 cents will pay off as it obligates the receiver. I also have made it clear that what I'm doing is not only for us, those living today, but for the future generations and to keep the family history alive. I also urge youngesters to ask questions while the older generations are still here. Norman Tillman Albany, NY
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United Spichenitzer Relief (organization?)
#ukraine
Mkfpage@...
Some of my family apparently came >from BORSHCHAGOVKA, 8.1 miles west of
Kiev. However, one of my mother's uncles received an award >from the United Spichenitzer Relief. My realtives are under the impression he came >from near-by Spichenitzer, which just isn't making it for me. Does anyone have any information on the term Spichenitzer or the United Spichenitzer Relief. I have photos of the award, so there's no doubt about it. Thanks Mitch Mermel Orlando, Fl mkfpage@aol.com
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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine United Spichenitzer Relief (organization?)
#ukraine
Mkfpage@...
Some of my family apparently came >from BORSHCHAGOVKA, 8.1 miles west of
Kiev. However, one of my mother's uncles received an award >from the United Spichenitzer Relief. My realtives are under the impression he came >from near-by Spichenitzer, which just isn't making it for me. Does anyone have any information on the term Spichenitzer or the United Spichenitzer Relief. I have photos of the award, so there's no doubt about it. Thanks Mitch Mermel Orlando, Fl mkfpage@aol.com
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