A humble question, is it necessary to send half a dozen email inside a
period of few hours (5 mails >from Sa. 01:34 to Sa. 02:26) , with very
short messages. May be the message is one or two lines the in each mail
repeated information about SIG / H-SIG is about 8 lines. We are
complaining because of slow transmitions on the data-highway and at the
same time we are slowing it down with unnecessary repetitions. If you
want to answer different mails in one mail only, you can indicate it in
the subject line with x-different infos. I would like your comment.
Best regards
Gabor Hirsch


mod.-I agree with Gabor. I am also requesting that each respondant to a
posting take a few seconds and edit the orginial message prior to sending
back a response. Don't forget to eliminate the "signature" lines at the
bottom of each message since they will be repeated in the response. People
don't generally see the duplication of the unedited responses since I try to eliminate these extraneous items. However, it is a time consuming task to do so many. LS

A humble question, is it necessary to send half a dozen email inside a
period of few hours (5 mails >from Sa. 01:34 to Sa. 02:26) , with very
short messages. May be the message is one or two lines the in each mail
repeated information about SIG / H-SIG is about 8 lines. We are
complaining because of slow transmitions on the data-highway and at the
same time we are slowing it down with unnecessary repetitions. If you
want to answer different mails in one mail only, you can indicate it in
the subject line with x-different infos. I would like your comment.
Best regards
Gabor Hirsch


mod.-I agree with Gabor. I am also requesting that each respondant to a
posting take a few seconds and edit the orginial message prior to sending
back a response. Don't forget to eliminate the "signature" lines at the
bottom of each message since they will be repeated in the response. People
don't generally see the duplication of the unedited responses since I try to eliminate these extraneous items. However, it is a time consuming task to do so many. LS

Hi,
A cousin of mine, R' Dovid Teitelbaum (1870 - 1944), lived in the town of
ETSCHED, near Munkacz. This is a transliteration. Can anybody recognize the
town? How is it really spelled?
-Moishe Miller
moishe@langsam.com
www.langsam.com

Hi,
A cousin of mine, R' Dovid Teitelbaum (1870 - 1944), lived in the town of
ETSCHED, near Munkacz. This is a transliteration. Can anybody recognize the
town? How is it really spelled?
-Moishe Miller
moishe@langsam.com
www.langsam.com

Debbi:

Why don't you give the list the telephone number and web site for this
bookstore? I've lost it.

Pat

At 02:40 PM 11/18/2000 -0800, korman3 wrote:

If your quest for a used copy is not successful, I got a new one from
Pannonia Bookstore (all books Hungarian) in Toronto, Canada. It was not
very expensive and I ordered it over the phone.

Debbi

mod.- an alternative to obtaining information about the bookstore is to do a search on the word Pannonia.LS

I have uploaded a photograph of my grandmother, Lena Ehrenreich Mandel, to the
ViewMate site. The photo was taken around 1895 in New York or Scranton, PA.
My grandmother is wearing a very unusual dress. It is decorated with images of
playing cards, an image of a hand holding five playing cards, and it has coins
sewn onto it. My grandmother's hair is waist-length and has been pulled over
her right shoulder. It's a very strange photograph. I would enjoy hearing

from anyone who might know the origin of such a dress and the circumstances in

which it may have been worn.

The ViewMate identifier is VM082.

ViewMate website: http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate

Thank you.

David Mandel
Cedar Grove, New Mexico

The name of the village is Sa'rko"zu'jlak, now called Livada.

Attila Rona

Debbi:

Why don't you give the list the telephone number and web site for this
bookstore? I've lost it.

Pat

At 02:40 PM 11/18/2000 -0800, korman3 wrote:

If your quest for a used copy is not successful, I got a new one from
Pannonia Bookstore (all books Hungarian) in Toronto, Canada. It was not
very expensive and I ordered it over the phone.

Debbi

mod.- an alternative to obtaining information about the bookstore is to do a search on the word Pannonia.LS

I have uploaded a photograph of my grandmother, Lena Ehrenreich Mandel, to the
ViewMate site. The photo was taken around 1895 in New York or Scranton, PA.
My grandmother is wearing a very unusual dress. It is decorated with images of
playing cards, an image of a hand holding five playing cards, and it has coins
sewn onto it. My grandmother's hair is waist-length and has been pulled over
her right shoulder. It's a very strange photograph. I would enjoy hearing

from anyone who might know the origin of such a dress and the circumstances in

which it may have been worn.

The ViewMate identifier is VM082.

ViewMate website: http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate

Thank you.

David Mandel
Cedar Grove, New Mexico

The name of the village is Sa'rko"zu'jlak, now called Livada.

Attila Rona

from several messages like the one below, I understand that ,

for some towns, the JRI-Pl -PSA contributors are eligible
to the entire Excel file of indexes for their town .
Why is this policy not followed with all towns ?
As Hadassah Lipsius explained in her message about Cesztochowa,
being able to search through the whole file, using various key words,
is much more efficient that just searching by name .
( Hadassah explained that she had the opportunity of searching
through the whole Cesztochowa file
as she was doing the quality control for it)

Subject: Piatek Vital Records - Great News
It is estimated that the costs of adding the Piatek records to the JRI-Poland

database will be $709.

Researchers contributing a minimum of $50 will be eligible to receive a copy of

the Excel

spreadsheets that include the entire index of Piatek birth, marriage, and death

records.

Nicole BERLINE, Paris
searching ROTENSZTEJN ROCHMAN RAKOWER Warsaw
OGUS TREIVAS Paberze Kaunas BERLIN Dereczin (Belarus)
LEIBOVICH St Petersburg

In a message dated 11/18/2000 10:48:28 PM EST, nberline@club-internet.fr
writes:

On nov 12, I received the vital records (which I had ordered in May)

from PSA, using the JRI-Pl indexes for Warszawa. I am very happy

about this, although I can't yet tell wether any of them belongs to my
family.

But apparently one of the index is false:
The cover letter writes that
"the record 294 in the book of deaths of non christians [...], year 1892
is not the death record of Chaim ROCHMAN " .
( I checked again in JRI-Pl data base, the index is there all right).

Probably there was a misprint in the indexing. Has this happened before ?
Can anything be done about it ?
( PSA did not mention returning the 10$ for that false index ...)

Nicole BERLINE, Paris

Nicole:

The indexing of Warsaw City Jewish vital records (not filmed
by the Mormons) is being handled by dedicated personel of
the Ronald Lauder Foundation Genealogy project at the Jewish
Historical Institute in Warsaw and the resulting indices are
posted to the JRI-Poland database.

Unfortunately, many of the registers among the first group to be
indexed were poorly labelled and it took some detective work
to properly identify them. Nonetheless, it seems an error has
found its way into the indices. We will bring this matter to the
attention of our friends in Warsaw and will let you know what
we find.

Now that the fumigation and preservation work that was being
carried out on many of the registers (at the Warsaw archives)
during the past year has been completed, indexing of additional
volumes has just gotten underway. We hope to have news about
the next group of indices to be available to JRI-Poland in the
not too distant future. No need to ask...we won't delay getting
them posted to our database!

Stanley Diamond
Project Coordinator, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland

Hi!

It's taken almost a year, but I do believe we have the confirmed surname of our
RING family prior to immigration to the United States. The RING's of America most
likely were the RINGGOLD's of Austria.

Thursday, I was contacted by a link to the family who said, "the original surname
was RINGGOLD." Through numerous searches today I have located a John RINGGOLD who
lived at 13 Kirkpatrick St., Pittsburgh, Allegheny County, PA. This document
shows him living at this address in 1890 - 1891. Although this may be a
coincidence, letters >from my grandmother to my grandfather in my possession show
grandpa living at 128 Kirkpatrick St., Pittsburgh, Allegheny County, PA >from c.
1912-1917. Relatives say at one time, a member or members of the RING/RINGGOLD
family owned an entire block in Pittsburgh.

To me it this is all worth investigating with thoroughness.
How might I locate land & deed records for the property at 13 and 128 Kirkpatrick
St. for the years 1890 - 1891 and 1912 to learn who the owners were. If anyone
knows the correct address
to write for this information, or if anyone might have access to
these records, please contact me privately. Your help might just break-through a
25 year old brick wall.

Also, if anyone has access to Pittsburgh city directories for the above years I
would be most appreciative of a lookup.
Thank you for your time and any assistance.
Nancy Ring-Kendrick
Daytona Beach, FL
mailto:kendrickkreation@mindspring.com

from several messages like the one below, I understand that ,

for some towns, the JRI-Pl -PSA contributors are eligible
to the entire Excel file of indexes for their town .
Why is this policy not followed with all towns ?
As Hadassah Lipsius explained in her message about Cesztochowa,
being able to search through the whole file, using various key words,
is much more efficient that just searching by name .
( Hadassah explained that she had the opportunity of searching
through the whole Cesztochowa file
as she was doing the quality control for it)

Subject: Piatek Vital Records - Great News
It is estimated that the costs of adding the Piatek records to the JRI-Poland

database will be $709.

Researchers contributing a minimum of $50 will be eligible to receive a copy of

the Excel

spreadsheets that include the entire index of Piatek birth, marriage, and death

records.

Nicole BERLINE, Paris
searching ROTENSZTEJN ROCHMAN RAKOWER Warsaw
OGUS TREIVAS Paberze Kaunas BERLIN Dereczin (Belarus)
LEIBOVICH St Petersburg

In a message dated 11/18/2000 10:48:28 PM EST, nberline@club-internet.fr
writes:

On nov 12, I received the vital records (which I had ordered in May)

from PSA, using the JRI-Pl indexes for Warszawa. I am very happy

about this, although I can't yet tell wether any of them belongs to my
family.

But apparently one of the index is false:
The cover letter writes that
"the record 294 in the book of deaths of non christians [...], year 1892
is not the death record of Chaim ROCHMAN " .
( I checked again in JRI-Pl data base, the index is there all right).

Probably there was a misprint in the indexing. Has this happened before ?
Can anything be done about it ?
( PSA did not mention returning the 10$ for that false index ...)

Nicole BERLINE, Paris

Nicole:

The indexing of Warsaw City Jewish vital records (not filmed
by the Mormons) is being handled by dedicated personel of
the Ronald Lauder Foundation Genealogy project at the Jewish
Historical Institute in Warsaw and the resulting indices are
posted to the JRI-Poland database.

Unfortunately, many of the registers among the first group to be
indexed were poorly labelled and it took some detective work
to properly identify them. Nonetheless, it seems an error has
found its way into the indices. We will bring this matter to the
attention of our friends in Warsaw and will let you know what
we find.

Now that the fumigation and preservation work that was being
carried out on many of the registers (at the Warsaw archives)
during the past year has been completed, indexing of additional
volumes has just gotten underway. We hope to have news about
the next group of indices to be available to JRI-Poland in the
not too distant future. No need to ask...we won't delay getting
them posted to our database!

Stanley Diamond
Project Coordinator, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland

Hi!

It's taken almost a year, but I do believe we have the confirmed surname of our
RING family prior to immigration to the United States. The RING's of America most
likely were the RINGGOLD's of Austria.

Thursday, I was contacted by a link to the family who said, "the original surname
was RINGGOLD." Through numerous searches today I have located a John RINGGOLD who
lived at 13 Kirkpatrick St., Pittsburgh, Allegheny County, PA. This document
shows him living at this address in 1890 - 1891. Although this may be a
coincidence, letters >from my grandmother to my grandfather in my possession show
grandpa living at 128 Kirkpatrick St., Pittsburgh, Allegheny County, PA >from c.
1912-1917. Relatives say at one time, a member or members of the RING/RINGGOLD
family owned an entire block in Pittsburgh.

To me it this is all worth investigating with thoroughness.
How might I locate land & deed records for the property at 13 and 128 Kirkpatrick
St. for the years 1890 - 1891 and 1912 to learn who the owners were. If anyone
knows the correct address
to write for this information, or if anyone might have access to
these records, please contact me privately. Your help might just break-through a
25 year old brick wall.

Also, if anyone has access to Pittsburgh city directories for the above years I
would be most appreciative of a lookup.
Thank you for your time and any assistance.
Nancy Ring-Kendrick
Daytona Beach, FL
mailto:kendrickkreation@mindspring.com

In the result of the use of specially elaborated author method of
identification 1051 Jews and 1104 Evangelical Baptist Christians whose
items >from gold and other precious metals have been confiscated by Nazi
were identified. Also have been identified items that were confiscated

from each person and items quantity.These lists have never been published

earlier. These lists have never been known earlier.

How to begin. First of all let me thank Hadassah Lipsius of JRI-Poland for
all her help in the past year trying to track down my family >from Warsaw.
Second of all, let me tell all of you not to give up. The littlest clue
will lead you to treasure. A little over a year ago I started to put
together a book for my family on our history. I knew quite a bit about
my mgm's family and where they came >from in the Ukraine. My mgf's family
was a mystery to me. I knew he had been born in Warsaw around 1890 but
that was about it. I knew he had brothers and sisters but for some reason
we had no contact with them for over 50 yrs. Our original name was
Gerkowicz but it had been changed to Gerrick. Through the phone book and
then Jewishgen I had located family in the Chicago area where I am >from
and in Texas and California. That in itself was a blessing but there was
more to come.

My Chicago cousin told me about one of my grandfather's brothers that
hadn't immigrated to U.S. when the rest of the family did. He had stayed
in Warsaw. None of my grandfather's daughters had ever heard of this
brother but my cousin was sure he existed. I tried to track him down
through JRI-Poland with Hadassah's help but to no avail. I did find a
listing for him in the Warsaw cemetery but there the lead ended. One day
surfing the net I came across the Holocaust Memorial site in Washington,
D.C. As a last chance I sent them an e-mail asking if they had anyone
registered there by the name of Gerkowicz >from Warsaw. They e-mailed me
back that they had one man registered. They couldn't tell me any more but
sent me a form to fill out that they would then send to him. If he wanted
to contact me, he would. This was a few months ago. Well...this man
called a few weeks ago and he is my cousin. His father was my
grandfather's brother. He is 86 yrs old and a wonderful man. I sent him
a letter with pictures of our family. This morning his daughter called
me. They are so excited that we contacted them.
Hopefully we will get together in the coming months.

The point is...don't give up. Follow every clue and idea that you have.

I wish you all a very Happy Thanksgiving. This will be the best one that I
have ever had.


Meryl Goldberg
meryl-chicago@att.net

Researching: GERKOWICZ/GERRICK Warsaw WEISMAN/EHRLICHMAN Proskurov/Zinkov
ABRAMOWITZ/DWORKIN/HARRIS Kiev/Chicago

"Jim Bennett" <bennett@coral.co.il> wrote in message

Here's a speculation, based on my experience: The Hebrew name Yocheved
in 19th century Germany was usually converted into Hedwig as a good
"German" name. Similarly, in Poland, Yocheved became Jadwiga -- who was
once a Queen of Poland. Now we know that Esther in Persia was "Queen
Esther" --Ester HaMalka in Hebrew. So maybe our little Jewish girl was
given a double name: Yocheved Esther. It makes sense.

Jim Bennett
Haifa

There is probably a bit of confusion in your speculation, Jim.

Polish Queen Jadwiga (1374-1399, ruled >from 1384 till 1399), was the
daughter of Louis I, King of Hungary and Poland (Polish: Ludwik Wegierski)

from the Andegawen dynasty. She was canonized very recently (1997) by the

"Polish" Pope Jan Paul II. Queen Jadwiga married in 1385 Lithuanian Grand
Prince Jagiello (Iogaillas) which lead to the estblishment of the
Jagiellonian dynasty and The Commonwealth of The Two Nations.

Queen Jadwiga's grandfather, King Casimir III, The Great (Polish: Kazimierz
Wielki) (1333-1370), the last king of Polish Piast dynasty, invited Jews to
Poland after destructions of over 300 German Jewish communities, and with
the Statut of Wislica (1384) he provided Jews protection >from pogroms and
ritual murders at the hands of the Christians.

King Casimir had been romantically involved with young and beautiful Jewish
maiden. Her name was Esther (Esterka). Invitation of Ashkenazim Jews and
extended to them monarch protection can be directly related to Esther
activities. Thus, we have to be thankfull to two royal Esthers, but not to
the St. Jadwiga, not related to Yocheved.

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, AB

MODERATOR NOTE: Please keep further responses related to genealogy.

Re: Siemiatycze in Robert Strumwasser's post 4, NOV 2000.

. . . I recently received >from NARA a copy of a cousin's letter to
the US State Dept. enquiring about the welfare of her relatives in
Poland, dated Oct. 16, 1939. To give some vague sense as to how
terrifying it must have been for everyone involved, the State Dept.
noted on the original letter that while Siedlce and Biala Podlaska were
under German control, Siemiatycze, less than 30 miles away, was
controlled by the Soviets.

Please note: The Germans initially occupied Siemiatycze on 10 September
1939. This was ten days after the invasion of Poland. Rosh Hashana, that
year, fell on 14 September. They stayed for twelve days, until they ceded
control to the Soviets on Succoth 15 Tishri/Thursday, 28 September. In
June, 1940 Germany violated the alliance treaty with USSR. They bombarded
Siemiatycze and retook the entire area. By 1942, Siemiatycze Jews along
with others >from the district were in the deportation ghetto established
near the cemetery ("intambrik" hinter dem brik/across the bridge) on the
east bank of the Kamianka River that runs through the town. It took only
two days with trains running 24 hours daily to transport virtually all of
the ghetto Jews to Treblinka. There were two camps there - an
extermination center and a smaller labor camp with fewer than a thousand
guarded by Germans and Ukrainians. No one escaped >from the death camp. A
few Jews escaped >from the labor camp (among them Sol Kuperhand who, with
his wife Miriam, has written of their wartime experience). A dozen or
more are known to have jumped off the inbound trains. Most of these
escapees survived in the forests with others who had avoided being sent to
the ghetto. Over the years, I've met some of the fewer than four dozen who
survived the war. They endured with the aid of righteous gentiles and
their own wits. They had to fight off hostile Poles as well as the Polish
Home (underground) Army who were not friends to the Jews in that area.

Miriam STRONGWATER [dob 1886] enquired about the following people:
2) her sister, Chaia GEIBER, her husband Josel, and their children:
Siemiatycze, Pow. Bielsk Ratusz 56, Poland

Of those killed by the Germans at Treblinka, the Semyatitsher Yizkorbuch
lists only Feygeh Gayber.

David Cohen
davidpcohen@att.net