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Looking for Patrick Gordis #belarus

Reeva Kimble <rKimble@...>
 

The e-mail address that I have for Patrick Gordis no longer works.
Patrick used to respond on the Belarus SIG. If you know how I can
reach him by e-mail, please contact me or ask him to write to me.

Thanks,
Reeva Kimble
rkimble@oregon.uoregon.edu
Mir Belarus web site: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~rkimble/Mirweb/Mir1.html


Belarus SIG #Belarus Looking for Patrick Gordis #belarus

Reeva Kimble <rKimble@...>
 

The e-mail address that I have for Patrick Gordis no longer works.
Patrick used to respond on the Belarus SIG. If you know how I can
reach him by e-mail, please contact me or ask him to write to me.

Thanks,
Reeva Kimble
rkimble@oregon.uoregon.edu
Mir Belarus web site: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~rkimble/Mirweb/Mir1.html


Re: Warsaw ghetto #poland

Gary Mokotoff <mokotoff@...>
 

Terry Ostrach poses some questions about the Warsaw ghetto.

I have always found it valuable to read history books when I run into tough
genealogy problems that require a historical context to understand the
problem. This is the case with the Warsaw ghetto questions being posed by
Terry.

The Warsaw ghetto was an section of Warsaw artificially created by the
Germans when they conquered Poland in 1939. In 1940, they forced all Jews
living in Warsaw and its vicinity (its vicinity may have been as much as 50
miles) to live in the confines of this very small section of Warsaw that
became known as the Warsaw ghetto. They built a wall around the area to
assure that the Jews would remain in the area. This ghettoizing occurred
throughout Poland. The strategy was to concentrate Jews into ghettos and
then when the Final Solution was created, to transport them >from the ghettos
to concentration camps or extermination camps. The total number of Jews
living in the Warsaw ghetto was estimated at 450,000. I have seem estimates
that the population density was about 6-7 people per room. Starting in the
summer of 1942, Jews were deported to their deaths at Treblinka, some 35
miles northeast of Warsaw. In the final round of deportations in April 1943,
the remnant of Jews rebelled and held off the Germans for a number of days.
This all is a very cursory explanation of the ghetto days. I recommend that
anyone interested in that era read one of the many history books on the
subject.

As to some specific questions posed by Terry:

1. Is it true that ALL Jews in Warsaw ca 1900 lived in the Ghetto? Based on
the first sentence in my description of the ghetto, it is highly likely that
any Jew living in the vicinity of Warsaw in 1939 was sent to the ghetto.

2. What side of Warsaw was it on? There are maps in history books that show
the exact boundaries of the ghetto.

3. Are there Ghetto records anywhere? Sadly, there are virtually no records
naming individuals >from the Warsaw ghetto era. There were no deportation
lists to Treblinka and few ghetto records were created that identify
individuals.

Gary Mokotoff


Re: Info abt Warsaw Ghetto #poland

Jurek Hirschberg <jurek.hirschberg@...>
 

Dear Terry,
A ghetto is a part of the town in which the Jews are forced to live in
isolation. In the pre-war Warsaw there were areas dominated by the Jewish
part of the population. It can be claimed that many Jews were forced by
their economic conditions to live where they lived. Still, this does not
make a ghetto. No Jews lived in the Warsaw Ghetto in 1900 because there was
no ghetto at the time. The Warsaw Ghetto was a German re-invention. It was
established in 1939 and liquidated on May 16, 1943.

Best regards,
Jurek

-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Ostrach [mailto:to-5star@ctfl.com]
Sent: den 6 december 2000 09:04
To: JRI-Poland
Subject: [jri-pl] Info abt Warsaw Ghetto


Hope one of you folks can help me with this information. I'm trying to
focus my search for my husband's maternal family ancestors who in the US
have used the names Gilfenbain, Galfenbaum, and Elfenbaum, but we believe
that the name in Poland was Elfenbein. In need some information about the
Warsaw Ghetto. Here is the background, first:

My husband's grandfather (Avrum {Elfenbein} Gilfenbain) was >from Warszawa
and was
born in 1890. He had a sister, Hannah, born approximately in 1878 or 1879.
I did a search in the JRI-Poland/Warszawa section for Elfenbain.
The search produced a marriage record in Zakroczym, a town on the
northern outskirts of Warszawa in1877 for Icjek Eflenbein.
Family "memory" indicates that Avrum's father was called "Itzi" so
I am hoping that Icjek Elfenbein is "ours."
The marriage year is "good" since it "works" with Hannah's birth date,
and she was his oldest child.
If I could find a birth record connecting either Hannah or Avrum to
Icjek Eflenbein, then I would have a certainty.
I haven't run across the name "Elfenbain"very often in the lists, so I'm
hoping this is it.

Now, here's my question. My Sister-in-law insists that since Avrum
was >from Warsaw that he MUST have lived in the Warsaw ghetto though
she concedes that Itzi may have come >from an area outside of the city.
I'm not about to have an unfounded discourse with my sister-in-law about
something I know little about.

Is it true that ALL Jews in Warsaw ca 1900 lived in the Ghetto? If so, what
was the location of the Ghetto in Warsaw? Did it have a name? Was it a
shtetl? What side of Warsaw was it on? Are there Ghetto records anywhere?

BTW, I've sent to Poland for the above record listed in the JRI PSA list. I
imagine it will be awhile before I get it back. I'll let you all know when
that happens.

Terry



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Post messages to <jri-pl@lyris.jewishgen.org>

Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, Inc. is an independent non-profit U.S.
tax-exempt organization and is hosted by JewishGen.

JRI-Poland indexing initiatives are funded by your contributions. To support
JRI-Poland and its many individual projects - such as indexing of records
from your ancestral town - please send your checks - marked with the town
name or project for which the money is being donated - to:
Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, c/o Sheila Salo, Treasurer,5607 Greenleaf
Rd., Cheverly, MD20785 or pay by Visa at:
<http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/visa.htm>

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JRI Poland #Poland Re: Warsaw ghetto #poland

Gary Mokotoff <mokotoff@...>
 

Terry Ostrach poses some questions about the Warsaw ghetto.

I have always found it valuable to read history books when I run into tough
genealogy problems that require a historical context to understand the
problem. This is the case with the Warsaw ghetto questions being posed by
Terry.

The Warsaw ghetto was an section of Warsaw artificially created by the
Germans when they conquered Poland in 1939. In 1940, they forced all Jews
living in Warsaw and its vicinity (its vicinity may have been as much as 50
miles) to live in the confines of this very small section of Warsaw that
became known as the Warsaw ghetto. They built a wall around the area to
assure that the Jews would remain in the area. This ghettoizing occurred
throughout Poland. The strategy was to concentrate Jews into ghettos and
then when the Final Solution was created, to transport them >from the ghettos
to concentration camps or extermination camps. The total number of Jews
living in the Warsaw ghetto was estimated at 450,000. I have seem estimates
that the population density was about 6-7 people per room. Starting in the
summer of 1942, Jews were deported to their deaths at Treblinka, some 35
miles northeast of Warsaw. In the final round of deportations in April 1943,
the remnant of Jews rebelled and held off the Germans for a number of days.
This all is a very cursory explanation of the ghetto days. I recommend that
anyone interested in that era read one of the many history books on the
subject.

As to some specific questions posed by Terry:

1. Is it true that ALL Jews in Warsaw ca 1900 lived in the Ghetto? Based on
the first sentence in my description of the ghetto, it is highly likely that
any Jew living in the vicinity of Warsaw in 1939 was sent to the ghetto.

2. What side of Warsaw was it on? There are maps in history books that show
the exact boundaries of the ghetto.

3. Are there Ghetto records anywhere? Sadly, there are virtually no records
naming individuals >from the Warsaw ghetto era. There were no deportation
lists to Treblinka and few ghetto records were created that identify
individuals.

Gary Mokotoff


JRI Poland #Poland RE: Info abt Warsaw Ghetto #poland

Jurek Hirschberg <jurek.hirschberg@...>
 

Dear Terry,
A ghetto is a part of the town in which the Jews are forced to live in
isolation. In the pre-war Warsaw there were areas dominated by the Jewish
part of the population. It can be claimed that many Jews were forced by
their economic conditions to live where they lived. Still, this does not
make a ghetto. No Jews lived in the Warsaw Ghetto in 1900 because there was
no ghetto at the time. The Warsaw Ghetto was a German re-invention. It was
established in 1939 and liquidated on May 16, 1943.

Best regards,
Jurek

-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Ostrach [mailto:to-5star@ctfl.com]
Sent: den 6 december 2000 09:04
To: JRI-Poland
Subject: [jri-pl] Info abt Warsaw Ghetto


Hope one of you folks can help me with this information. I'm trying to
focus my search for my husband's maternal family ancestors who in the US
have used the names Gilfenbain, Galfenbaum, and Elfenbaum, but we believe
that the name in Poland was Elfenbein. In need some information about the
Warsaw Ghetto. Here is the background, first:

My husband's grandfather (Avrum {Elfenbein} Gilfenbain) was >from Warszawa
and was
born in 1890. He had a sister, Hannah, born approximately in 1878 or 1879.
I did a search in the JRI-Poland/Warszawa section for Elfenbain.
The search produced a marriage record in Zakroczym, a town on the
northern outskirts of Warszawa in1877 for Icjek Eflenbein.
Family "memory" indicates that Avrum's father was called "Itzi" so
I am hoping that Icjek Elfenbein is "ours."
The marriage year is "good" since it "works" with Hannah's birth date,
and she was his oldest child.
If I could find a birth record connecting either Hannah or Avrum to
Icjek Eflenbein, then I would have a certainty.
I haven't run across the name "Elfenbain"very often in the lists, so I'm
hoping this is it.

Now, here's my question. My Sister-in-law insists that since Avrum
was >from Warsaw that he MUST have lived in the Warsaw ghetto though
she concedes that Itzi may have come >from an area outside of the city.
I'm not about to have an unfounded discourse with my sister-in-law about
something I know little about.

Is it true that ALL Jews in Warsaw ca 1900 lived in the Ghetto? If so, what
was the location of the Ghetto in Warsaw? Did it have a name? Was it a
shtetl? What side of Warsaw was it on? Are there Ghetto records anywhere?

BTW, I've sent to Poland for the above record listed in the JRI PSA list. I
imagine it will be awhile before I get it back. I'll let you all know when
that happens.

Terry



Visit the JRI-Poland web site at http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/
Post messages to <jri-pl@lyris.jewishgen.org>

Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, Inc. is an independent non-profit U.S.
tax-exempt organization and is hosted by JewishGen.

JRI-Poland indexing initiatives are funded by your contributions. To support
JRI-Poland and its many individual projects - such as indexing of records
from your ancestral town - please send your checks - marked with the town
name or project for which the money is being donated - to:
Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, c/o Sheila Salo, Treasurer,5607 Greenleaf
Rd., Cheverly, MD20785 or pay by Visa at:
<http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/visa.htm>

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Re: lodz digest: December 05, 2000 #lodz #poland

Fbussgang@...
 

In a message dated 12/6/00 1:09:59 AM, lodz@lyris.jewishgen.org writes:

<< Does anyone have any information on when Passports became the normal
documentation for travel across Europe. >>

Internal passports were required in Poland even in the 1800s. People could
not travel freely >from one area to another without permission. Also, they
could not settle in a new area without a release >from the area where they had
lived and permission to settle in the new area.

Fay Bussgang
Lexington, MA


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland Re: lodz digest: December 05, 2000 #lodz #poland

Fbussgang@...
 

In a message dated 12/6/00 1:09:59 AM, lodz@lyris.jewishgen.org writes:

<< Does anyone have any information on when Passports became the normal
documentation for travel across Europe. >>

Internal passports were required in Poland even in the 1800s. People could
not travel freely >from one area to another without permission. Also, they
could not settle in a new area without a release >from the area where they had
lived and permission to settle in the new area.

Fay Bussgang
Lexington, MA


Gelenes #hungary

szombat <szombat@...>
 

Dear H-siggers,
Gelenes is up for rewiewing...

No transcriptions yet.

Best wishes,
Peter Winter


























Jewish cemeteries in Hungary:
http://www.geocities.com/winter_peter_4


Hungary SIG #Hungary Gelenes #hungary

szombat <szombat@...>
 

Dear H-siggers,
Gelenes is up for rewiewing...

No transcriptions yet.

Best wishes,
Peter Winter


























Jewish cemeteries in Hungary:
http://www.geocities.com/winter_peter_4


Grand Opening of The JewishGenMall #lodz #poland

Seflaum@...
 

Fwd >from Susan King

Subject: Grand Opening of The JewishGenMall

Just in time for the holidays! WHEW!!!

After dedicating nearly a year to construct our newest offering,
JewishGen's persistent team of Mall managers is very pleased to announce
the grand opening of The JewishGen Mall on Monday Dec 4th, 2000.

We believe we have created a user friendly place for your holiday shopping.
Our mall managers have found books, software and videos of genealogical
interest to tempt you. In the new year we will constantly be adding new
products, so be certain to keep looking in.

We invite all of you to come on in and see the huge collection of the very
books, videos (under construction) and software some of you have been
asking about. The URL is:

http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgenmall

To avoid any misunderstandings, it will be helpful to know that the concept
behind launching the JewishGenMall is similar to that of any Museum Shop
you have visited. The intent is simply to generate additional revenue to
continue support of JewishGen projects and services that rely on
our operational budget.

The JewishGenMall will not compete with online "discounters" or other
publishers, or be competitive with the pricing of other e-tailers. We are
presenting another avenue for you to acquire products that will not only
benefit your research, but at the same time provide additional financial
resources for JewishGen.

Over the last few months, you have seen messages >from our Vice President of
Business and Corporate Development indicating that our operational budget
sometimes falls short of our projected needs. You'll also recall that the
operational budget supports all the mailing lists, websites and server
needs that carry the many databases. The JewishGenMall will be an enjoyable
way for you to continue to support JewishGen today and well into the
future..

Today you will find no less than 500 products -- >from books to software to
videos -- that cover almost every area of research. And this is just the
beginning!

In honor of the launch, we are offering at special introductory prices on
some special items and Gift Certificates for the holidays. Make sure you
click on the 'Specials' button today... and look for similar specials each
time you log on to The JewishGen Mall in the future.

There are many exciting new developments on the drawing board for The
JewishGenMall in the future.

Our challenge to you today is simply this. If everyone of the 90,000
unique visitors to our website, the 45,000 submitters to the JGFF and the
15,000 subscribers to the mailing lists made at least one small purchase
every six months >from The JewishGenMall, you will be making a significant
contribution to helping JewishGen help you in your research!

Help us make it happen! Go now to http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgenmall/
Please join with us today to celebrate the Grand Opening of The
JewishGenMall and say thanks to the extraordinary volunteer effort of Sandy
and Don Hirschhorn, John Berman and Carol Skydell.

Susan


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland Grand Opening of The JewishGenMall #lodz #poland

Seflaum@...
 

Fwd >from Susan King

Subject: Grand Opening of The JewishGenMall

Just in time for the holidays! WHEW!!!

After dedicating nearly a year to construct our newest offering,
JewishGen's persistent team of Mall managers is very pleased to announce
the grand opening of The JewishGen Mall on Monday Dec 4th, 2000.

We believe we have created a user friendly place for your holiday shopping.
Our mall managers have found books, software and videos of genealogical
interest to tempt you. In the new year we will constantly be adding new
products, so be certain to keep looking in.

We invite all of you to come on in and see the huge collection of the very
books, videos (under construction) and software some of you have been
asking about. The URL is:

http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgenmall

To avoid any misunderstandings, it will be helpful to know that the concept
behind launching the JewishGenMall is similar to that of any Museum Shop
you have visited. The intent is simply to generate additional revenue to
continue support of JewishGen projects and services that rely on
our operational budget.

The JewishGenMall will not compete with online "discounters" or other
publishers, or be competitive with the pricing of other e-tailers. We are
presenting another avenue for you to acquire products that will not only
benefit your research, but at the same time provide additional financial
resources for JewishGen.

Over the last few months, you have seen messages >from our Vice President of
Business and Corporate Development indicating that our operational budget
sometimes falls short of our projected needs. You'll also recall that the
operational budget supports all the mailing lists, websites and server
needs that carry the many databases. The JewishGenMall will be an enjoyable
way for you to continue to support JewishGen today and well into the
future..

Today you will find no less than 500 products -- >from books to software to
videos -- that cover almost every area of research. And this is just the
beginning!

In honor of the launch, we are offering at special introductory prices on
some special items and Gift Certificates for the holidays. Make sure you
click on the 'Specials' button today... and look for similar specials each
time you log on to The JewishGen Mall in the future.

There are many exciting new developments on the drawing board for The
JewishGenMall in the future.

Our challenge to you today is simply this. If everyone of the 90,000
unique visitors to our website, the 45,000 submitters to the JGFF and the
15,000 subscribers to the mailing lists made at least one small purchase
every six months >from The JewishGenMall, you will be making a significant
contribution to helping JewishGen help you in your research!

Help us make it happen! Go now to http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgenmall/
Please join with us today to celebrate the Grand Opening of The
JewishGenMall and say thanks to the extraordinary volunteer effort of Sandy
and Don Hirschhorn, John Berman and Carol Skydell.

Susan


Re: strategy for obtaining Belarus records #belarus

David M. Fox <fox@...>
 

Dear SIG Members,

In July 1999, I spent almost a full day with the director of the
National Historic Archives of Belarus (Minsk). During that visit I
tried to explore a cooperative agreement that would be mutually
beneficial to the Archive and to the members of the Belarus SIG.
Working through an interpreter is not always the most effective way to
handle such an arrangement, but because I didn't have the Russian
language skills, I had no choice. My impression >from this meeting
was that the Archive was very receptive to receiving equipment and money
from us, but they could not provide any assurance of what they could do
for us. Another delicate issue is how to make donations of equipment or
money to the archives. The customs and laws of Belarus are much
different than they are in other countries. I could not just walk into
the archive and give them a computer because the director doesn't have
the authority to accept it. According to what I was told, it must go
through a very complex process, for which I don't claim to know all the
details.

Based on my own personal research efforts as well as feedback >from other
researchers, the best results were obtained >from outside researchers in
Belarus. However, I have also heard of horror stories about private
researchers and research requests directly to the archive. Whether you
use a private researcher or make requests directly to the archive, BE
PREPARED TO WAIT! Contact information about private researchers can be
found on the SIG website under Belarus Resources.

As for indexing archival holdings in Belarus, there are a number of
efforts going on now. However, it is important to clarify what is meant
by indexing as it applies to an index to archival holdings or an index
of the actual names or entries in the record holdings of the archive. I
am presently compiling an inventory of archival holdings >from a number
of secondary sources such as the Nancy Goodstein inventory at LDS, other
LDS inventories, private research reports, numerous articles,
information >from RAGAS, etc. This inventory includes records of
interest to Belarus researchers which are located in several archives:
Minsk, Grodno, Vilna, and a few other places. The database includes:
shtetl, district, gubernia, fond, folio, dylo, record description, LDS
film number if filmed, record year, source of information, and comments.
When completed, this database will be made available on the SIG
website. While the Belarus Archives have some of their inventory list
of holdings available on their website
http://www.president.gov.by/gosarchives/eindex.htm, their listing does
not included many of the holdings I have my list. I urge anyone who has
received private research reports that specify fond, folio, dylo of the
source data to send me a copy so I can be sure to include the
information in the database.

In addition, I learned yesterday that a university professor in Belarus
is also compiling an inventory of Jewish record holdings in the various
archives of Belarus. I am attempting to contact him and so I can
collaborate with him on the effort by exchanging what each of us has
collected so far.

The microfilming of remaining records in the Minsk and Grodno National
Historical Archives of Belarus was discussed with officials of the FHL
in Salt Lake City in July. I have had almost weekly telephone follow up
calls with one of these officials. There is microfilming equipment in
both the Grodno and Minsk archives and filming is being done. I have
been told that the filming of the 1897 Census, family lists,
and revision lists in the Grodno archive are in the works, but I have no
firm dates as to when it will happen. Filming of the remaining family
lists and revision lists as well as other records that were not filmed
initially at the Minsk archive are also planned. Negotiations between
the FHL and the Belarus archives are best left to the people at the FHL.

Having seen first hand the storage conditions of records at the archive
in Minsk, the microfilming of the remaining records there, as well as the
filming of the records in Grodno, should be considered a high priority by
the Belarus SIG. The old records are deteriorating and before they
become unreadable, it is of utmost necessity that they be filmed not
only for the FHL, but also for the use of the archive
personnel themselves.

The other type of indexing alluded to above in the indexing of the
actual entries on records. Unlike JRI-Poland which does a true index
with limited data elements to assist in locating an actual record, the
Belarus SIG plans to extract and translate all or most of the data on
vital records and revision lists. Please see the following URLs for
examples of what I am talking about:
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus/borisov_1874a.htm
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus/og_birth_1905.htm
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus/og_death_1860_1863.htm

In closing, it is sometimes better not to discuss publicly in detail
what is going on behind the scenes. However, I urge all our members not
to try and unilaterally negotiate any "deals" with the archives for fear
it might jeopardize efforts to get the records filmed. Let me assure you
that the SIG leadership is working very closely with the people at the
Family History Library in Salt Lake City and that we have a very good
sharing relationship. We hope to make a public announcement soon about
an exciting cooperative arrangement with the FHL.

Dave

David Fox
fox@erols.com
Belarus SIG Coordinator
Arnold, MD USA

-----------------------
Miriam MARGOLYES wrote:

If we can establish a working relationship with a common goal,
we CAN offer equipment & money for Indexing & although no guarantees
are ever possible, I am utterly convinced that knowledge of what is
available will be more useful - in the long run- than the individual
pursuit of family records.
----------------------


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: strategy for obtaining Belarus records #belarus

David M. Fox <fox@...>
 

Dear SIG Members,

In July 1999, I spent almost a full day with the director of the
National Historic Archives of Belarus (Minsk). During that visit I
tried to explore a cooperative agreement that would be mutually
beneficial to the Archive and to the members of the Belarus SIG.
Working through an interpreter is not always the most effective way to
handle such an arrangement, but because I didn't have the Russian
language skills, I had no choice. My impression >from this meeting
was that the Archive was very receptive to receiving equipment and money
from us, but they could not provide any assurance of what they could do
for us. Another delicate issue is how to make donations of equipment or
money to the archives. The customs and laws of Belarus are much
different than they are in other countries. I could not just walk into
the archive and give them a computer because the director doesn't have
the authority to accept it. According to what I was told, it must go
through a very complex process, for which I don't claim to know all the
details.

Based on my own personal research efforts as well as feedback >from other
researchers, the best results were obtained >from outside researchers in
Belarus. However, I have also heard of horror stories about private
researchers and research requests directly to the archive. Whether you
use a private researcher or make requests directly to the archive, BE
PREPARED TO WAIT! Contact information about private researchers can be
found on the SIG website under Belarus Resources.

As for indexing archival holdings in Belarus, there are a number of
efforts going on now. However, it is important to clarify what is meant
by indexing as it applies to an index to archival holdings or an index
of the actual names or entries in the record holdings of the archive. I
am presently compiling an inventory of archival holdings >from a number
of secondary sources such as the Nancy Goodstein inventory at LDS, other
LDS inventories, private research reports, numerous articles,
information >from RAGAS, etc. This inventory includes records of
interest to Belarus researchers which are located in several archives:
Minsk, Grodno, Vilna, and a few other places. The database includes:
shtetl, district, gubernia, fond, folio, dylo, record description, LDS
film number if filmed, record year, source of information, and comments.
When completed, this database will be made available on the SIG
website. While the Belarus Archives have some of their inventory list
of holdings available on their website
http://www.president.gov.by/gosarchives/eindex.htm, their listing does
not included many of the holdings I have my list. I urge anyone who has
received private research reports that specify fond, folio, dylo of the
source data to send me a copy so I can be sure to include the
information in the database.

In addition, I learned yesterday that a university professor in Belarus
is also compiling an inventory of Jewish record holdings in the various
archives of Belarus. I am attempting to contact him and so I can
collaborate with him on the effort by exchanging what each of us has
collected so far.

The microfilming of remaining records in the Minsk and Grodno National
Historical Archives of Belarus was discussed with officials of the FHL
in Salt Lake City in July. I have had almost weekly telephone follow up
calls with one of these officials. There is microfilming equipment in
both the Grodno and Minsk archives and filming is being done. I have
been told that the filming of the 1897 Census, family lists,
and revision lists in the Grodno archive are in the works, but I have no
firm dates as to when it will happen. Filming of the remaining family
lists and revision lists as well as other records that were not filmed
initially at the Minsk archive are also planned. Negotiations between
the FHL and the Belarus archives are best left to the people at the FHL.

Having seen first hand the storage conditions of records at the archive
in Minsk, the microfilming of the remaining records there, as well as the
filming of the records in Grodno, should be considered a high priority by
the Belarus SIG. The old records are deteriorating and before they
become unreadable, it is of utmost necessity that they be filmed not
only for the FHL, but also for the use of the archive
personnel themselves.

The other type of indexing alluded to above in the indexing of the
actual entries on records. Unlike JRI-Poland which does a true index
with limited data elements to assist in locating an actual record, the
Belarus SIG plans to extract and translate all or most of the data on
vital records and revision lists. Please see the following URLs for
examples of what I am talking about:
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus/borisov_1874a.htm
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus/og_birth_1905.htm
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus/og_death_1860_1863.htm

In closing, it is sometimes better not to discuss publicly in detail
what is going on behind the scenes. However, I urge all our members not
to try and unilaterally negotiate any "deals" with the archives for fear
it might jeopardize efforts to get the records filmed. Let me assure you
that the SIG leadership is working very closely with the people at the
Family History Library in Salt Lake City and that we have a very good
sharing relationship. We hope to make a public announcement soon about
an exciting cooperative arrangement with the FHL.

Dave

David Fox
fox@erols.com
Belarus SIG Coordinator
Arnold, MD USA

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Miriam MARGOLYES wrote:

If we can establish a working relationship with a common goal,
we CAN offer equipment & money for Indexing & although no guarantees
are ever possible, I am utterly convinced that knowledge of what is
available will be more useful - in the long run- than the individual
pursuit of family records.
----------------------


indexing belarus records #belarus

Eileen Price <eileen.price@...>
 

I am very interested in having an index of the Belarus records. I would be
willing to add my donation to the group should this be necessary.

Eileen Price
Denver, CO
eileen.price@worldnet.att.net


Belarus SIG #Belarus indexing belarus records #belarus

Eileen Price <eileen.price@...>
 

I am very interested in having an index of the Belarus records. I would be
willing to add my donation to the group should this be necessary.

Eileen Price
Denver, CO
eileen.price@worldnet.att.net


Miriam MARGOLYES strategy for Belarus records #belarus

SJR1126935@...
 

The following is part of the email I sent privately to Miriam
Margolyes concerning the records in Belarus and how to preserve them:

""
Is there any possibility of the FHL contacting these archieves in
Belarus and arranging to microfilm their archieves ??
Is my understanding correct that when FHL is involved in one of these
filming efforts, that the filmed archieve also receives a copy of the
microfilms therin made, which in this case would help the Belarus
people preserve their records.. ???
""

from my perspective, a retired Jewish Structural Engineer, it seems
that some much much closer cooperation between Family History Library
in Salt Lake City and JewishGen.com and other Jewish geneological
organizations would be far more productive then now seems to prevail.
We would also be able to help the archievists in Belarus and other
places.

Of course, this would require the subordination of everyones ego and
political agendas. And maybe that is just too too much to ask !!


Shalom,

Samuel J. Richelew, PE
sjr1126935@aol.com

researching:
RICHELEWSKI, RICHELEWSKY of Porozovo, Svisloch [Grodno ??] Belarus
MOSES, MOSESCO, MOSESCU of Piatra (Neamt ??) [Neamt ??] Romania


Belarus SIG #Belarus Miriam MARGOLYES strategy for Belarus records #belarus

SJR1126935@...
 

The following is part of the email I sent privately to Miriam
Margolyes concerning the records in Belarus and how to preserve them:

""
Is there any possibility of the FHL contacting these archieves in
Belarus and arranging to microfilm their archieves ??
Is my understanding correct that when FHL is involved in one of these
filming efforts, that the filmed archieve also receives a copy of the
microfilms therin made, which in this case would help the Belarus
people preserve their records.. ???
""

from my perspective, a retired Jewish Structural Engineer, it seems
that some much much closer cooperation between Family History Library
in Salt Lake City and JewishGen.com and other Jewish geneological
organizations would be far more productive then now seems to prevail.
We would also be able to help the archievists in Belarus and other
places.

Of course, this would require the subordination of everyones ego and
political agendas. And maybe that is just too too much to ask !!


Shalom,

Samuel J. Richelew, PE
sjr1126935@aol.com

researching:
RICHELEWSKI, RICHELEWSKY of Porozovo, Svisloch [Grodno ??] Belarus
MOSES, MOSESCO, MOSESCU of Piatra (Neamt ??) [Neamt ??] Romania


Correction to previous message on WAGNERs old USA address #general

Susanna Vendel <susanna.vendel@...>
 

The 2 perssons (called WAGNER) whos old address I found are not leaving
anymore (I immagine).
They were around 47-50 years old in 1947.

Harry Wagner
Woodland ave
Burbank, California

Juli Wagner
Vincent Ave
Cleveland Ohio

I wonder how and where I can check if they had families and children.
Susanna Vendel, Stockholm


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Correction to previous message on WAGNERs old USA address #general

Susanna Vendel <susanna.vendel@...>
 

The 2 perssons (called WAGNER) whos old address I found are not leaving
anymore (I immagine).
They were around 47-50 years old in 1947.

Harry Wagner
Woodland ave
Burbank, California

Juli Wagner
Vincent Ave
Cleveland Ohio

I wonder how and where I can check if they had families and children.
Susanna Vendel, Stockholm