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Re: warszawa digest: November 10, 2000 #warsaw #poland

Barbara Master <ourgenes@...>
 

Hello Hadassah,

I would like to volunteer to transcribe the LDS films >from Dorot onto Excel.
I have done some before and I have special interest in Warsaw because my
2Ggrandmotherhad a boarding house for rabbi's there. My grandparents also
met and possibly married in Warsaw.

I look forward to hearing >from you.

Barbara Master

MODERATOR's NOTE: long quotes deleted.


Warszawa Research Group #Warsaw #Poland Re: warszawa digest: November 10, 2000 #warsaw #poland

Barbara Master <ourgenes@...>
 

Hello Hadassah,

I would like to volunteer to transcribe the LDS films >from Dorot onto Excel.
I have done some before and I have special interest in Warsaw because my
2Ggrandmotherhad a boarding house for rabbi's there. My grandparents also
met and possibly married in Warsaw.

I look forward to hearing >from you.

Barbara Master

MODERATOR's NOTE: long quotes deleted.


Re: Sailing from Rotterdam --passenger manifest list #ukraine

SRivkin742@...
 

If you know the ship and year - the passenger manifest should
be on microfilm at the National Archives - worth checking anyway -
if you checked through the mormons perhaps they had a microfilm
error - I have heard of such occaisional errors


-Steve


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Sailing from Rotterdam --passenger manifest list #ukraine

SRivkin742@...
 

If you know the ship and year - the passenger manifest should
be on microfilm at the National Archives - worth checking anyway -
if you checked through the mormons perhaps they had a microfilm
error - I have heard of such occaisional errors


-Steve


Re: Submission standards #yizkorbooks

Carol Edan <caroled@...>
 

Shalom,

As a volunteer HTMLer I would like to add some of my observations. Recently
I received 4 chapters to be added to a book that were in HTML format.
Contrary to thought that this format may help us in our work, it is the
exactly the opposite. Many programs for changing word documents to HTML use
many tags/commands that are superfluous and not in standards of pages on the
site. The time making/deleting/changing all these commands is quite time
consuming. I found that I had to copy /paste the material on a new document
and transfer it to a new html blank page.

I have found that the bests formats are- plain text documents-, and Word
documents.

Thanks

Carol Monosson Edan

Researching
MONOSSON/POLEY- Moscow/ Mogilev/Gomel
ARONSON/PRICE-Augustow/Kalvarija
RABINOVITZ-Novogrodok
MUSHNITSKY-Russia
MARCU/LEIBOVITZ-Iasi,Roumania


Yizkor Books #YizkorBooks RE: Submission standards #yizkorbooks

Carol Edan <caroled@...>
 

Shalom,

As a volunteer HTMLer I would like to add some of my observations. Recently
I received 4 chapters to be added to a book that were in HTML format.
Contrary to thought that this format may help us in our work, it is the
exactly the opposite. Many programs for changing word documents to HTML use
many tags/commands that are superfluous and not in standards of pages on the
site. The time making/deleting/changing all these commands is quite time
consuming. I found that I had to copy /paste the material on a new document
and transfer it to a new html blank page.

I have found that the bests formats are- plain text documents-, and Word
documents.

Thanks

Carol Monosson Edan

Researching
MONOSSON/POLEY- Moscow/ Mogilev/Gomel
ARONSON/PRICE-Augustow/Kalvarija
RABINOVITZ-Novogrodok
MUSHNITSKY-Russia
MARCU/LEIBOVITZ-Iasi,Roumania


Re: Sailing from Rotterdam #ukraine

Hilary Henkin <hilary@...>
 

Shalom, Hal!
You might check the Holland America Passenger Manifest Indexes and lists. They're
on microfiche, and available through the Mormon Library. They were written at the
time of leaving Holland, and include the names, passage paid, and a bit more
information. Not as informative as the arrival passenger lists, but better than
nothing. They're written in Dutch, but that's easier to visually translate than
Cyrllic <g>.

At least it would confirm the ship and date....

Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia
(one of your fellow GENKIN researchers <g>)


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Sailing from Rotterdam #ukraine

Hilary Henkin <hilary@...>
 

Shalom, Hal!
You might check the Holland America Passenger Manifest Indexes and lists. They're
on microfiche, and available through the Mormon Library. They were written at the
time of leaving Holland, and include the names, passage paid, and a bit more
information. Not as informative as the arrival passenger lists, but better than
nothing. They're written in Dutch, but that's easier to visually translate than
Cyrllic <g>.

At least it would confirm the ship and date....

Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia
(one of your fellow GENKIN researchers <g>)


Re: Where is Grodnek ??? #ukraine

RONC1VSNY@...
 

Yoav,

I would think that Grodnek would be Grodny in Belarus. If not,
there is a Gorodnok now Horodnok about 23 kilometers west of Lviv.
Also a Girnyk north of Lviv and just south of Sokol.

Ron Cutler

Searching: KOTLYAR, DINITZ, SCHWARTZ, ROTHMAN, GALITSKY, GOLDBERG,
KRASNOFF, ZOLORATOV. Kamenets-Podolsk, Khotin, Kirovohrad.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Where is Grodnek ??? #ukraine

RONC1VSNY@...
 

Yoav,

I would think that Grodnek would be Grodny in Belarus. If not,
there is a Gorodnok now Horodnok about 23 kilometers west of Lviv.
Also a Girnyk north of Lviv and just south of Sokol.

Ron Cutler

Searching: KOTLYAR, DINITZ, SCHWARTZ, ROTHMAN, GALITSKY, GOLDBERG,
KRASNOFF, ZOLORATOV. Kamenets-Podolsk, Khotin, Kirovohrad.


Re: funeral and cemetery records #ukraine

Barbara Harris <maybug@...>
 

The message below suggests a general question that may be of use to many of
us. I tried to wrestle some information about what background info Har
Nebo (Phila) had on a couple family graves. (Who made arrangements, gave
them info, etc.) Har Nebo didn't say they didn't have the info, but that
I couldn't have it. As these were my ancestors.... Any suggestions?
Don't the descendents have some sort of right to that information. I can
see that it might sometimes be very useful to know who paid for or arranged
for a burial.

Another local cemetery was very helpful giving me info of that sort about
the husband of an aunt of mine and his parents who were buried there. I
learned new things: a second new first name for my aunt, and that her
husband and his parents were born in England, everyone's address at the
time of death, etc.

Barbara Harris


The person paying for the funeral expenses may have done so because
he was the financial officer (in charge of burial expenses) of the
Landsmanshaftn to which the decedent was a member, not because he was
a relative. He may have very well been related but that might have
been merely a coincidence.
Lois Sernoff <JGLois@aol.com>


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: funeral and cemetery records #ukraine

Barbara Harris <maybug@...>
 

The message below suggests a general question that may be of use to many of
us. I tried to wrestle some information about what background info Har
Nebo (Phila) had on a couple family graves. (Who made arrangements, gave
them info, etc.) Har Nebo didn't say they didn't have the info, but that
I couldn't have it. As these were my ancestors.... Any suggestions?
Don't the descendents have some sort of right to that information. I can
see that it might sometimes be very useful to know who paid for or arranged
for a burial.

Another local cemetery was very helpful giving me info of that sort about
the husband of an aunt of mine and his parents who were buried there. I
learned new things: a second new first name for my aunt, and that her
husband and his parents were born in England, everyone's address at the
time of death, etc.

Barbara Harris


The person paying for the funeral expenses may have done so because
he was the financial officer (in charge of burial expenses) of the
Landsmanshaftn to which the decedent was a member, not because he was
a relative. He may have very well been related but that might have
been merely a coincidence.
Lois Sernoff <JGLois@aol.com>


Missing Pieces of the Puzzle #ukraine

Landwave <landwave@...>
 

Dear Fellow Ukraine Researchers,

One of the reasons all of us are fascinated by genealogy is because in
finding out about our ancestors' lives, we are learning more about our
own identities. This point was driven home to me during a recent trip I
made to Europe.

I've just returned >from a visit with my son & daughter-in-law who are
both teaching in Turkey. On the route home, we made a long-anticipated
stop to meet my mother's first cousin & her family, all descended from
my great-grandfather, Pesach GOTLIBOVICH. This was an especially awaited
meeting, as the branches of our family had not seen each other in over
95 years! For 50 of those years, the North American branch had been
convinced that no-one left behind in the Ukraine had survived the 2nd
world war. (I learned through subsequent correspondence that our
relatives had successfully evaded the Nazis by escaping eastward to the
Ural mountains.)

My initial efforts in genealogy about 25 years ago were motivated by
the desire to learn about this family (that of my grandfather's
siblings) who had once sent him postcards >from Cherkassy, Kiev. Although
I discovered many other relatives during my searches, it was not until
1995 that I accidently stumbled across information that led me to the
address that would bring us all together. Our very first exchange of
letters confirmed that my cousin Polina was every bit as excited as I
was to reconnect our isolated branches. In fact she had been trying to
find us as well, but had mistakenly searched in the USA as she only
remembered that my grandfather & his sister had emigrated to "America"-
a generic term for the "New World". It never occurred to her to check in
Canada!

Last year, my son & his wife exchanged visits with our newly
discovered cousins & were the first to meet them after all these years.
(My mother's cousin Polina, her daughter Irina, & granddaughter Nina,
have been living in Germany for about 6 years since the collapse of the
Russian economy.) This month, my husband & I were finally able to make
the trip, & our reunion was a loving & joyful one. Polina is the image
of my mother, & they insist that I look just like her late sister!
Moreover, when my husband developed a cold during our stay, Polina & I
compared cough remedies. She is the only person who knew exactly what I
meant when I said my mother used to make a "goggle-moggle", & to prove
our common ancestry, she proceeded to put one together to ease my
husbamd's throat. (Until then, I always believed that the term was
fabricated by my aunts in Canada! Instead, it turns out to be a "family
recipe" - probably one many of you might even recognize: hot milk,
sugar, egg, & butter - simple & practical, but with a name that further
substantiated our common roots!)

For those detractors of genealogy who cynically say that, as
genealogists, we are "dwelling in the past", & that they "prefer to live
in the present", all I can say is that genealogy is truly about the
living present ... While it is natural for family ties to dissipate &
die out as we age, genealogy gives us a second chance to expand &
appreciate our extended relationships.

I'm now in close touch with many others >from my GOTLIBOVICH roots, &
I'm grateful for all of the rewards my research & labours have brought
me. They're all about living people & the present!!

Good luck to all of you, & I wish you similar successes.
Florence Elman
<haflo@cadvision.com>
Canada

ELMAN researching: MACHERET - Zolotonosha, Ukraine; PRESSMAN - Dolginov,
Vilenskaya (Vileyka); SURIS/SURES - Odessa, Ukraine; WEISSBEIN/VAJSBEJN
Odessa, Ukraine; NERENBERG - Sokoletz, Podolsk, Ukraine;
ZILBERBERG/SILBERBERG - Nova Ushitsa, Podolia, [Kamenets-Podolsk];
GOTLIBOVICH/GOTLIBOWITZ/GOTLIEB - Cherkassy, Korsun, Kharkov, &
H/Gorodishche, Ukraine; KATSOVITCH - Minsk & Vileyka


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Missing Pieces of the Puzzle #ukraine

Landwave <landwave@...>
 

Dear Fellow Ukraine Researchers,

One of the reasons all of us are fascinated by genealogy is because in
finding out about our ancestors' lives, we are learning more about our
own identities. This point was driven home to me during a recent trip I
made to Europe.

I've just returned >from a visit with my son & daughter-in-law who are
both teaching in Turkey. On the route home, we made a long-anticipated
stop to meet my mother's first cousin & her family, all descended from
my great-grandfather, Pesach GOTLIBOVICH. This was an especially awaited
meeting, as the branches of our family had not seen each other in over
95 years! For 50 of those years, the North American branch had been
convinced that no-one left behind in the Ukraine had survived the 2nd
world war. (I learned through subsequent correspondence that our
relatives had successfully evaded the Nazis by escaping eastward to the
Ural mountains.)

My initial efforts in genealogy about 25 years ago were motivated by
the desire to learn about this family (that of my grandfather's
siblings) who had once sent him postcards >from Cherkassy, Kiev. Although
I discovered many other relatives during my searches, it was not until
1995 that I accidently stumbled across information that led me to the
address that would bring us all together. Our very first exchange of
letters confirmed that my cousin Polina was every bit as excited as I
was to reconnect our isolated branches. In fact she had been trying to
find us as well, but had mistakenly searched in the USA as she only
remembered that my grandfather & his sister had emigrated to "America"-
a generic term for the "New World". It never occurred to her to check in
Canada!

Last year, my son & his wife exchanged visits with our newly
discovered cousins & were the first to meet them after all these years.
(My mother's cousin Polina, her daughter Irina, & granddaughter Nina,
have been living in Germany for about 6 years since the collapse of the
Russian economy.) This month, my husband & I were finally able to make
the trip, & our reunion was a loving & joyful one. Polina is the image
of my mother, & they insist that I look just like her late sister!
Moreover, when my husband developed a cold during our stay, Polina & I
compared cough remedies. She is the only person who knew exactly what I
meant when I said my mother used to make a "goggle-moggle", & to prove
our common ancestry, she proceeded to put one together to ease my
husbamd's throat. (Until then, I always believed that the term was
fabricated by my aunts in Canada! Instead, it turns out to be a "family
recipe" - probably one many of you might even recognize: hot milk,
sugar, egg, & butter - simple & practical, but with a name that further
substantiated our common roots!)

For those detractors of genealogy who cynically say that, as
genealogists, we are "dwelling in the past", & that they "prefer to live
in the present", all I can say is that genealogy is truly about the
living present ... While it is natural for family ties to dissipate &
die out as we age, genealogy gives us a second chance to expand &
appreciate our extended relationships.

I'm now in close touch with many others >from my GOTLIBOVICH roots, &
I'm grateful for all of the rewards my research & labours have brought
me. They're all about living people & the present!!

Good luck to all of you, & I wish you similar successes.
Florence Elman
<haflo@cadvision.com>
Canada

ELMAN researching: MACHERET - Zolotonosha, Ukraine; PRESSMAN - Dolginov,
Vilenskaya (Vileyka); SURIS/SURES - Odessa, Ukraine; WEISSBEIN/VAJSBEJN
Odessa, Ukraine; NERENBERG - Sokoletz, Podolsk, Ukraine;
ZILBERBERG/SILBERBERG - Nova Ushitsa, Podolia, [Kamenets-Podolsk];
GOTLIBOVICH/GOTLIBOWITZ/GOTLIEB - Cherkassy, Korsun, Kharkov, &
H/Gorodishche, Ukraine; KATSOVITCH - Minsk & Vileyka


Re: Sailing from Rotterdam #ukraine

Hal S. Maggied, Ph.D. <drmaggoo@...>
 

Israel MARKOWITZ owned a paint store or painting company in Ekaterinoslav,
He came to New York on the ship Potsdam, embarking >from Rotterdam;
unfortunately the passenger manifest is missing.
Allan Mazur
Shalom Allan: You mention the SS Potsdam sailing >from Rotterdam. Were
you able to access the steamship manifests through means other than
the Mormon FHC?

My mom sailed >from Rotterdam on the SS Rotterdam in 1906, but I'm
unable to locate the manifests. She emigrated >from Poryck, Volhynia
Guberniya. Khai Tov, Hal S. Maggied

Hal MAGGIED, PhD; AICP; Ohio State Alumnus <drmaggoo@ix.netcom.com>


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Sailing from Rotterdam #ukraine

Hal S. Maggied, Ph.D. <drmaggoo@...>
 

Israel MARKOWITZ owned a paint store or painting company in Ekaterinoslav,
He came to New York on the ship Potsdam, embarking >from Rotterdam;
unfortunately the passenger manifest is missing.
Allan Mazur
Shalom Allan: You mention the SS Potsdam sailing >from Rotterdam. Were
you able to access the steamship manifests through means other than
the Mormon FHC?

My mom sailed >from Rotterdam on the SS Rotterdam in 1906, but I'm
unable to locate the manifests. She emigrated >from Poryck, Volhynia
Guberniya. Khai Tov, Hal S. Maggied

Hal MAGGIED, PhD; AICP; Ohio State Alumnus <drmaggoo@ix.netcom.com>


Re: Russian Pass #ukraine

SBernst579@...
 

Alicia

I really don't have an answer as to how to obtain such a document. T be
honest, I think it would be impossible to find such a document in the
U.S.S.R. I was very lucy that my British cousin had her great-grandfather's
document. In fact, she nor anyone else in her family ever had the document
translated, and they had it for almost 100 years.
I had it translated here in L.A. In fact Gershko/Harris, the person who
immigrated had 12 children (3 in the Ukraine and the others in G.B.), but the
document stayed with his oldest child and was handed down generation to
generation.
In those days past, who knows how a person ended up in England when they
purportedly were aiming for the U.S.

I want to thank you though for taking an interest.

Stewart Bernstein
Thousand Oaks, CA


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Russian Pass #ukraine

SBernst579@...
 

Alicia

I really don't have an answer as to how to obtain such a document. T be
honest, I think it would be impossible to find such a document in the
U.S.S.R. I was very lucy that my British cousin had her great-grandfather's
document. In fact, she nor anyone else in her family ever had the document
translated, and they had it for almost 100 years.
I had it translated here in L.A. In fact Gershko/Harris, the person who
immigrated had 12 children (3 in the Ukraine and the others in G.B.), but the
document stayed with his oldest child and was handed down generation to
generation.
In those days past, who knows how a person ended up in England when they
purportedly were aiming for the U.S.

I want to thank you though for taking an interest.

Stewart Bernstein
Thousand Oaks, CA


Re: Where is Grodnek ??? #ukraine

Zelde Malevitz <lionzel@...>
 

From: Yoav Epelman
Where is Grodnek ???

Dear Yoav,
The only similar-sounding town I know is Grodno , Belarus between Vilnius,
Lithuania and Bialystok, Poland. Paul Malevitz


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Where is Grodnek ??? #ukraine

Zelde Malevitz <lionzel@...>
 

From: Yoav Epelman
Where is Grodnek ???

Dear Yoav,
The only similar-sounding town I know is Grodno , Belarus between Vilnius,
Lithuania and Bialystok, Poland. Paul Malevitz