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Re: "The mass grave in Simferopol" #ukraine

NFatouros@...
 

In his message of 11-10-00 Herut Schlomoff asked for information about
what happened during WWII to Simferopol's "14,000 Jews," among whom
numbered his great grandmother and her daughters.

A book which discusses the shoah at Simferopol is Raul Hilberg's "The
Destruction of European Jews" Holmes & Meier Publishers, 1985. (I don't
have this book at hand so I can't tell the ISBN number without prowling
for it on the internet.)

If Mr.Schlomoff can read French, he might want to go to:

http://www.phdn.org/negation/rassinier/hilbergsimferopol.html

where there is a critical discussion of the revionist Rassinier who, of
course, disputes Hilberg's figures and account of the slaughter of
Simferopol's Jews.

For the murders in Simferopol on December 13,14, and 15,1941, Martin
Gilbert gives the number as 14,300, on page in his book " The Holocaust"
Henry Holt and Company, Inc., 1985, ISBN 0-8050-0348-7. His footnote for
von Manstein's directive for the "actions" refers to the Nuremberg
Military Tribunal documents.

Another website Mr. Schlomoff may want to visit is:

http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/trials/simferopol.html

where he can read the views and report of the Military Tribunal II, in
Nuremburg, concerning the actions of the Einsatzgruppen at Simferopol.

At:

http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/text/x30/xm3026.html

Mr. Schlomoff can read a brief account offered by the Wiesenthal Center
about the destruction of Simferopol's Jews which offered by the
Wiesenthal Center.

While still online, I found an address for today's Simferopol's Jewish
Community to which Mr. Schlomoff may want to write:

Chief Rabbi , Yitschok Lipshitz
24 Mironovo St.
Simferopol 333001, Ukraine
Email: simferopol@fjc.ru

Finally, even though there are no Family History Centers in Israel, Mr.
Schlomoff should know that, according to Jewishgenner Steven Weiss's
Ukraine group message of 9-20-00, there exist 34 microfilms of Jewish
Vital Records for Simferopol. Details about these microfilms can be found
at:

http://www.familysearch.org/Search/searchcatalog.asp

and Mr. Weiss advises to use this description to learn details about the
films:
"Topic: Ukraine, Krym, Simferopol (Simferopol) - Jewish records
Titles: Vital records, 1853-1917 Jewish Congregation of Simferopol
(Tavrida province)"


Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY, Odessa, Berdichev; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SHUTZ, SCHUTZ,
Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;SAS, Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: "The mass grave in Simferopol" #ukraine

NFatouros@...
 

In his message of 11-10-00 Herut Schlomoff asked for information about
what happened during WWII to Simferopol's "14,000 Jews," among whom
numbered his great grandmother and her daughters.

A book which discusses the shoah at Simferopol is Raul Hilberg's "The
Destruction of European Jews" Holmes & Meier Publishers, 1985. (I don't
have this book at hand so I can't tell the ISBN number without prowling
for it on the internet.)

If Mr.Schlomoff can read French, he might want to go to:

http://www.phdn.org/negation/rassinier/hilbergsimferopol.html

where there is a critical discussion of the revionist Rassinier who, of
course, disputes Hilberg's figures and account of the slaughter of
Simferopol's Jews.

For the murders in Simferopol on December 13,14, and 15,1941, Martin
Gilbert gives the number as 14,300, on page in his book " The Holocaust"
Henry Holt and Company, Inc., 1985, ISBN 0-8050-0348-7. His footnote for
von Manstein's directive for the "actions" refers to the Nuremberg
Military Tribunal documents.

Another website Mr. Schlomoff may want to visit is:

http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/trials/simferopol.html

where he can read the views and report of the Military Tribunal II, in
Nuremburg, concerning the actions of the Einsatzgruppen at Simferopol.

At:

http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/text/x30/xm3026.html

Mr. Schlomoff can read a brief account offered by the Wiesenthal Center
about the destruction of Simferopol's Jews which offered by the
Wiesenthal Center.

While still online, I found an address for today's Simferopol's Jewish
Community to which Mr. Schlomoff may want to write:

Chief Rabbi , Yitschok Lipshitz
24 Mironovo St.
Simferopol 333001, Ukraine
Email: simferopol@fjc.ru

Finally, even though there are no Family History Centers in Israel, Mr.
Schlomoff should know that, according to Jewishgenner Steven Weiss's
Ukraine group message of 9-20-00, there exist 34 microfilms of Jewish
Vital Records for Simferopol. Details about these microfilms can be found
at:

http://www.familysearch.org/Search/searchcatalog.asp

and Mr. Weiss advises to use this description to learn details about the
films:
"Topic: Ukraine, Krym, Simferopol (Simferopol) - Jewish records
Titles: Vital records, 1853-1917 Jewish Congregation of Simferopol
(Tavrida province)"


Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY, Odessa, Berdichev; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SHUTZ, SCHUTZ,
Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;SAS, Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol.


Abraham ABRAHAMS (Liverpool/London) & Descendants #general

Terry Newman <tnewman@...>
 

Dear Jewish Genners

I'm seeking information on the family of Abraham ABRAHAMS, who was born in
Middlesex, England c 1824 and who died in Hackney, London on 18th August,
1893. He married a sister of my great grandfather: Sarah Levy, at the
Great Synagogue, London, in 1847.

The details I have concerning their children:
Kate, Henry ( married in London on 22nd August 1888, Annie WOOLF, daughter
of Henry Woolf, cigar dealer ), Annie, Lewis, Simmie (married at the Cape
Town Synagogue on 19th September, 1877 to Albert P RAPHAEL, 5th son of
Phillip Raphael, of Duke's Place, Aldgate, London), Rosetta, Michael and
Nathan.

I would appreciate hearing >from anyone who has information about this
family.

With best wishes to all.

Terry Newman
Sydney, Australia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Abraham ABRAHAMS (Liverpool/London) & Descendants #general

Terry Newman <tnewman@...>
 

Dear Jewish Genners

I'm seeking information on the family of Abraham ABRAHAMS, who was born in
Middlesex, England c 1824 and who died in Hackney, London on 18th August,
1893. He married a sister of my great grandfather: Sarah Levy, at the
Great Synagogue, London, in 1847.

The details I have concerning their children:
Kate, Henry ( married in London on 22nd August 1888, Annie WOOLF, daughter
of Henry Woolf, cigar dealer ), Annie, Lewis, Simmie (married at the Cape
Town Synagogue on 19th September, 1877 to Albert P RAPHAEL, 5th son of
Phillip Raphael, of Duke's Place, Aldgate, London), Rosetta, Michael and
Nathan.

I would appreciate hearing >from anyone who has information about this
family.

With best wishes to all.

Terry Newman
Sydney, Australia


Hard-to-Read Town Name #ukraine

flash@...
 

I have had trouble identifying the town written down as my g-g-grandmother's
last residence on her 1898 passenger manifest. It looks something
like "Chaszazarati."

The town is most likely in Volhynia or near Odessa. The last
few letters of the word are particularly hard for me to read.
I've used the ShtetlSeeker and "Where Once We Walked," but I
am still not sure what town this is.

I've scanned the word as written on the manifest and placed it
on the JewishGen ViewMate, where it has been labelled as file
VM038. The URL is:
http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/toview14.html#vm038

(I have been having a *great* deal of trouble posting this message,
causing a delay of several days since I uploaded the scan on
November 7. ViewMate removes scans after seven days, so there
are only a few days left before mine is removed).

I'd really appreciate any help that anyone can provide!

Thanks.

Paul Gordon
Washington, DC
flash@zzapp.org


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Hard-to-Read Town Name #ukraine

flash@...
 

I have had trouble identifying the town written down as my g-g-grandmother's
last residence on her 1898 passenger manifest. It looks something
like "Chaszazarati."

The town is most likely in Volhynia or near Odessa. The last
few letters of the word are particularly hard for me to read.
I've used the ShtetlSeeker and "Where Once We Walked," but I
am still not sure what town this is.

I've scanned the word as written on the manifest and placed it
on the JewishGen ViewMate, where it has been labelled as file
VM038. The URL is:
http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/toview14.html#vm038

(I have been having a *great* deal of trouble posting this message,
causing a delay of several days since I uploaded the scan on
November 7. ViewMate removes scans after seven days, so there
are only a few days left before mine is removed).

I'd really appreciate any help that anyone can provide!

Thanks.

Paul Gordon
Washington, DC
flash@zzapp.org


Read this before you install AOL 6.0 #ukraine

FREYAB@...
 

From: "Chuck Weinstein" <cweinstein@jewishgen.org>

Apparently, the newest version of AOL's software has an E-mail program
that sends messages only in multi-part MIME format. This format is
incompatible with the software this listserve uses, and messages sent to
any of JewishGen's news groups or SIGs will be unreadable to those who
try to read them. Messages received in this format will be rejected by
JewishGen moderators. PLEASE, if you are considering upgrading to the
latest version of AOL software, hold off until we can figure a work
around. I can assure you we are looking at it carefully. Thanks.

Chuck Weinstein
JewishGen ShtetLinks Project Manager
cweinstein@jewishgen.org
And >from Carol Skydell:

Thanks to the persistence of JoAnne Vanett, we have an answer >from AOL
regarding version 6. There is NO option to select plain text in ver 6

JewishGen is seeking the advice of a programmer on whether it is possible
for us to have a special script written to strip out the mime in any
message coming in with it.

The moderation team for the discussion group is also going to experiment
with cleaning up messages in mime and stripping out the mime commands in
the header.

Will keep you posted via this list

Carol


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Read this before you install AOL 6.0 #ukraine

FREYAB@...
 

From: "Chuck Weinstein" <cweinstein@jewishgen.org>

Apparently, the newest version of AOL's software has an E-mail program
that sends messages only in multi-part MIME format. This format is
incompatible with the software this listserve uses, and messages sent to
any of JewishGen's news groups or SIGs will be unreadable to those who
try to read them. Messages received in this format will be rejected by
JewishGen moderators. PLEASE, if you are considering upgrading to the
latest version of AOL software, hold off until we can figure a work
around. I can assure you we are looking at it carefully. Thanks.

Chuck Weinstein
JewishGen ShtetLinks Project Manager
cweinstein@jewishgen.org
And >from Carol Skydell:

Thanks to the persistence of JoAnne Vanett, we have an answer >from AOL
regarding version 6. There is NO option to select plain text in ver 6

JewishGen is seeking the advice of a programmer on whether it is possible
for us to have a special script written to strip out the mime in any
message coming in with it.

The moderation team for the discussion group is also going to experiment
with cleaning up messages in mime and stripping out the mime commands in
the header.

Will keep you posted via this list

Carol


Unfamiliar Yiddish first names; Thanks! #general

Steven Jacobs <noahben99@...>
 

Thank you to everyone who helped me translate the
Hebrew writing on the tombstones of my relatives.
Your help and quick responses were great!

Steven Jacobs


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Unfamiliar Yiddish first names; Thanks! #general

Steven Jacobs <noahben99@...>
 

Thank you to everyone who helped me translate the
Hebrew writing on the tombstones of my relatives.
Your help and quick responses were great!

Steven Jacobs


Research in Poland and Ukraine #general

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
 

I have now hired four different researchers in Poland and
Ukraine. I have had mixed results--most very good, and one
very bad. But I have learned one thing: In my particular
cases, the most reputable researchers stated a fee (often as
a per-hour rate; plus expenses) and collected all or most of
the fee after the research was complete--rather than stating a
single large fee and collecting it up front, before any research
has begun. Please note that there are many researchers around
the world. My remarks refer only to my specific experiences.
I am not attempting to make generalizations, state an unbending
rule, or recommend proper behavior for researchers to follow.

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@mail.wittenberg.edu>
Springfield, Ohio USA
Poland: TALMAN, ENGLANDER, JURKIEWICZ, KIFER
Ukraine: OBERMAN, LISS Turkey: KAZEZ, ALHADEF, FRESKO, HABIB
http://userpages.wittenberg.edu/dkazez/fam/ent/fam.html


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Research in Poland and Ukraine #general

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
 

I have now hired four different researchers in Poland and
Ukraine. I have had mixed results--most very good, and one
very bad. But I have learned one thing: In my particular
cases, the most reputable researchers stated a fee (often as
a per-hour rate; plus expenses) and collected all or most of
the fee after the research was complete--rather than stating a
single large fee and collecting it up front, before any research
has begun. Please note that there are many researchers around
the world. My remarks refer only to my specific experiences.
I am not attempting to make generalizations, state an unbending
rule, or recommend proper behavior for researchers to follow.

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@mail.wittenberg.edu>
Springfield, Ohio USA
Poland: TALMAN, ENGLANDER, JURKIEWICZ, KIFER
Ukraine: OBERMAN, LISS Turkey: KAZEZ, ALHADEF, FRESKO, HABIB
http://userpages.wittenberg.edu/dkazez/fam/ent/fam.html


Peoples Photo Gallery #general

israel lenzner <izl@...>
 

I would be interested in whatever iinfo anyone can give me;
Peoples Photo Gallery
45 Canal Street
NYC
please reply
to izl@bellsouth.net TIA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Peoples Photo Gallery #general

israel lenzner <izl@...>
 

I would be interested in whatever iinfo anyone can give me;
Peoples Photo Gallery
45 Canal Street
NYC
please reply
to izl@bellsouth.net TIA


Liverpool #general

RUP29@...
 

So sorry I forgot to put the web site in my message.
www.LJGS.org
Valerie Gold
RUP29@aol.com
U.K.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Liverpool #general

RUP29@...
 

So sorry I forgot to put the web site in my message.
www.LJGS.org
Valerie Gold
RUP29@aol.com
U.K.


Still Looking for BROOKMANS #general

Peepah@...
 

Some time ago I queried if anyone new of a Brookman family consisting of a
Mother and three daughters who moved >from Denver to California sometime in
the 1940s. They probably settled in Los Angeles or perhaps in San Francisco.
I have had no response, and am trying again. Hopefully, Bennett J. Sukonick
(peepah@aol.com)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Still Looking for BROOKMANS #general

Peepah@...
 

Some time ago I queried if anyone new of a Brookman family consisting of a
Mother and three daughters who moved >from Denver to California sometime in
the 1940s. They probably settled in Los Angeles or perhaps in San Francisco.
I have had no response, and am trying again. Hopefully, Bennett J. Sukonick
(peepah@aol.com)


Lieberman #general

David Rothman <drothman1@...>
 

Is anybody else working on the Lieberman
family?

Dave,
David Rothman
Hawthorne, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Lieberman #general

David Rothman <drothman1@...>
 

Is anybody else working on the Lieberman
family?

Dave,
David Rothman
Hawthorne, CA