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Re: ukraine digest: November 12, 2000 #ukraine

SBernst579@...
 

In a message dated 11/12/00 10:14:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Steve Rivkin writes:

<< Subject: Re: Meshchanin

I have heard stories about these classifications too -
I would like to know more about it. >>


For interested parities, I have in my possession such a Russian pass
issued to my grandfather's brother,Gershko Baranshteyn, in Polonnoye,
Ukraine. The pass is dated 1902, the original and translation can be
viewed at the Polonnoye SIG site
http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetLinks/polonnoye/Bernstein.html.
This pass was given to me by a descendant of my grandfather's brother
in England. This document was loaded with information. Even though it
was issued to my grandfather's brother, it gave the name of my great-
grandfather, great-grandmother, where they lived and their birth years.
It was a wonderful find. You will also see the grave stone for my
great-grandfather at that site.

Since Gershko immigrated to England shortly after 1902, it has been
sugjested to me that the pass was probably issued to allow Gershko to travel to a town with the proper civil office to apply for emigration.
As the family lore goes, "Gershko got off the ship in England, thinking
he was in New York, and never left".

Stewart Bernstein
Thousand Oaks, CA


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: ukraine digest: November 12, 2000 #ukraine

SBernst579@...
 

In a message dated 11/12/00 10:14:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Steve Rivkin writes:

<< Subject: Re: Meshchanin

I have heard stories about these classifications too -
I would like to know more about it. >>


For interested parities, I have in my possession such a Russian pass
issued to my grandfather's brother,Gershko Baranshteyn, in Polonnoye,
Ukraine. The pass is dated 1902, the original and translation can be
viewed at the Polonnoye SIG site
http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetLinks/polonnoye/Bernstein.html.
This pass was given to me by a descendant of my grandfather's brother
in England. This document was loaded with information. Even though it
was issued to my grandfather's brother, it gave the name of my great-
grandfather, great-grandmother, where they lived and their birth years.
It was a wonderful find. You will also see the grave stone for my
great-grandfather at that site.

Since Gershko immigrated to England shortly after 1902, it has been
sugjested to me that the pass was probably issued to allow Gershko to travel to a town with the proper civil office to apply for emigration.
As the family lore goes, "Gershko got off the ship in England, thinking
he was in New York, and never left".

Stewart Bernstein
Thousand Oaks, CA


Meshchanin #ukraine

Mark Saul <MSaul@...>
 

Message text written by "Ukraine SIG"
This is correct. The word is usually translated as 'petty bourgeois',
or perhaps 'local merchant'. It often has a connotation of someone
with some money but little culture.


Does anyone know the origin of this sort of classification of Russian
society? <

Mark Saul
New York, NY

Researching: SOLOMOVITCH, Teleshevsky (Gomel)
KAMENIR, RUBENSTEIN (Novograd Volinsk)
LISENCO, KOTANOV (Brailov, Rachni, Mogilev Podolsk)


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Meshchanin #ukraine

Mark Saul <MSaul@...>
 

Message text written by "Ukraine SIG"
This is correct. The word is usually translated as 'petty bourgeois',
or perhaps 'local merchant'. It often has a connotation of someone
with some money but little culture.


Does anyone know the origin of this sort of classification of Russian
society? <

Mark Saul
New York, NY

Researching: SOLOMOVITCH, Teleshevsky (Gomel)
KAMENIR, RUBENSTEIN (Novograd Volinsk)
LISENCO, KOTANOV (Brailov, Rachni, Mogilev Podolsk)


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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Attention AOL 6.0 Users #ukraine

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Re: TURBOV #ukraine

szmanuel@...
 

When I lived in West Phila., I recall the former concertmaster of the
Phila. Orchestra as being Anshel BRUSILOW and brother Nate BRUSILOW a
clarinetist. Eventually both moved to Texas for university positions.

Shirley Manuel


Searching: MANILOWITZ and Pinchas & Glicki GLAZER -- Kiev or Vasilkov,
Ukraine
GALANTE & KAPLAN--Grodno
FISHER--Dabrowa
SHVARTS and SOPEL--Suchovola, Poland
ROSENBLUM/bloom/blitt-- Nowy Dvor
Sura-Rivke SHVARTS--England

Moderator note: Please remember all surnames should be written in capitals


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: TURBOV #ukraine

szmanuel@...
 

When I lived in West Phila., I recall the former concertmaster of the
Phila. Orchestra as being Anshel BRUSILOW and brother Nate BRUSILOW a
clarinetist. Eventually both moved to Texas for university positions.

Shirley Manuel


Searching: MANILOWITZ and Pinchas & Glicki GLAZER -- Kiev or Vasilkov,
Ukraine
GALANTE & KAPLAN--Grodno
FISHER--Dabrowa
SHVARTS and SOPEL--Suchovola, Poland
ROSENBLUM/bloom/blitt-- Nowy Dvor
Sura-Rivke SHVARTS--England

Moderator note: Please remember all surnames should be written in capitals


Jewish Heritage #usa

halakoomot <halakoomot@...>
 

HI, I am trying to find some Jewish heritage that is
said to be in my ancestors. I have been searching for
some time, and although I have found some geneoligy
branches that I did not know even existed, I have yet
to find any Jewish heritage.

I was hoping someone out there might be able to assist
me.

The surnames that have come up so far are: JORDAN,
KEITH, GOULD, GOOLD, GOLD, SORENSON, GROVER, CARLISLE,
MASON, PROPES, WILLIAMS.

If there are any Jewish lines in these surnames, I
would love to know what they are.

I have been really searching the GOULD line, and have
gone as far back as Nathaniel GOULD, the father of
Lewis GOULD bor abt 1806. Lewis GOULD married Jane
KEITH in 1833 in Dearbourn County, IND. Jane Keith is
the daughter of Nicholas KEITH born ABT 1782 and
Neiile MASON.

Lewis GOULD and Jane KEITH had several children, one
being Rachel Carlisle GOULD born Aug. 9, 1836 in Riply
County, IND. Rachel is my GG Grandmother.

Rachel Carlisle GOULD married Isaac William JORDAN
(born 1822), the son of Joshua JORDAN and Mary "Polly"
WILLIAMS.

Any information on these lines whatsever would be
greatly appriciated. Somewhere is Jewish heritage,
and right now it is like trying to find a needle in a
haystack! LOL

Thanks in advance for assisting me in this great
search. Feel free to email me directly at
halakoomot@yahoo.com

Yours truly, Bob

->Moderator's Note: Bob, (and everyone), JewishGen requires all postings to include the poster's first and last name and city or region and country of residence. In future, postings without this information will be rejected. Thanks for your help in this.


Early American SIG #USA Jewish Heritage #usa

halakoomot <halakoomot@...>
 

HI, I am trying to find some Jewish heritage that is
said to be in my ancestors. I have been searching for
some time, and although I have found some geneoligy
branches that I did not know even existed, I have yet
to find any Jewish heritage.

I was hoping someone out there might be able to assist
me.

The surnames that have come up so far are: JORDAN,
KEITH, GOULD, GOOLD, GOLD, SORENSON, GROVER, CARLISLE,
MASON, PROPES, WILLIAMS.

If there are any Jewish lines in these surnames, I
would love to know what they are.

I have been really searching the GOULD line, and have
gone as far back as Nathaniel GOULD, the father of
Lewis GOULD bor abt 1806. Lewis GOULD married Jane
KEITH in 1833 in Dearbourn County, IND. Jane Keith is
the daughter of Nicholas KEITH born ABT 1782 and
Neiile MASON.

Lewis GOULD and Jane KEITH had several children, one
being Rachel Carlisle GOULD born Aug. 9, 1836 in Riply
County, IND. Rachel is my GG Grandmother.

Rachel Carlisle GOULD married Isaac William JORDAN
(born 1822), the son of Joshua JORDAN and Mary "Polly"
WILLIAMS.

Any information on these lines whatsever would be
greatly appriciated. Somewhere is Jewish heritage,
and right now it is like trying to find a needle in a
haystack! LOL

Thanks in advance for assisting me in this great
search. Feel free to email me directly at
halakoomot@yahoo.com

Yours truly, Bob

->Moderator's Note: Bob, (and everyone), JewishGen requires all postings to include the poster's first and last name and city or region and country of residence. In future, postings without this information will be rejected. Thanks for your help in this.


South and Eastern Ohio #usa

Jim Horvitz
 

I am looking for information about Paulina MEYER born Cincinnati Ohio
November 15 1847. She was daughter of Jacob MEYER abd Rebecca. She Married
George BORNHEIM born 1838 in Germany,
Jim Horvitz Rancho Mirage CA.

Researching CAHEN, BERG, LEVISTEIN, STERN, BORNHEIM, MAYER and MAYER all in
the Cincinnati-Columbus- Zanesville area.in the mid to late 1800s


Early American SIG #USA South and Eastern Ohio #usa

Jim Horvitz
 

I am looking for information about Paulina MEYER born Cincinnati Ohio
November 15 1847. She was daughter of Jacob MEYER abd Rebecca. She Married
George BORNHEIM born 1838 in Germany,
Jim Horvitz Rancho Mirage CA.

Researching CAHEN, BERG, LEVISTEIN, STERN, BORNHEIM, MAYER and MAYER all in
the Cincinnati-Columbus- Zanesville area.in the mid to late 1800s


Re: 1843 Bereg County map? #hungary

Leslie Gyi <leslie@...>
 

I haven't tried using these maps, but I did find a website offering
historical maps of Hungarian Counties below. Unfortunately they seem to be
out of Szabolcs-Szatmar-Berg. They also don't indicate the year the map is
from. Maybe someout there is familiar with this map series and can tell if
they are of sufficient detail for the correct period.

http://www.dholmes.com/rm-book.html

Hungarian County Maps ($12.00)

This is a new series of Hungarian county maps at a scale of 1:200,000. Not
as detailed as the maps above, but they are still supurb references and, of
course, they show every village. In several ways, they are far better than
the old Cartographia maps above because they have many of the village
coats-of-arms in beautiful color, they contain a short county history in
several languages (including English), and they even give population totals
of every village and city within the county. If you already have one of the
county maps like the above >from Cartographia, you won't be disappointed in
adding one of this new series to your collection. (Price includes shipping)

Bacs-Kiskun (2 in stock)
Baranya - OUT
Bekes (2 in stock)
Borsod-Abauj-Zemplen - OUT (has Szabolcs-Szatmar-Bereg on reverse - $18)
Csongrad - (3 in stock)
Fejer (1 in stock)
Gyor-Moson-Sopron - (2 in stock)
Hajdu-Bihar (2 in stock)
Heves (2 in stock)
Jasz-Nagykun-Szolnok (3 in stock)
Komarom-Esztergom (1 in stock)
Nograd - OUT
Pest (3 in stock)
Somogy (2 in stock)
Szabolcs-Szatmar-Bereg - OUT (has Borsod-Abauj-Zemplen on reverse - $18)
Tolna (1 in stock)
Vas - OUT
Veszprem - OUT
Zala (2 in stock)

-----Original Message-----
From: John Rothchild [mailto:jroth@cpcug.org]
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 3:39 PM
To: Hungarian SIG
Subject: 1843 Bereg County map?


Can anyone recommend an on-line map of Bereg County as it existed in
approximately 1843? I need a map showing the smallest towns. Thanks for
any assistance.
--Joan Hartman


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Hungarian "newspapers" and obituaries #hungary

DGoldman <dgoldman@...>
 

I think a past previous discussion of the obituary collection at the
Hungarian National Library may be available in the discussion archives.
There is also information in the journal of the JGS of Greater
Washington--MISHPACHA, vol. 18, no. 2 (summer 1998). Some of that
information is:

The collection is on the first floor of the Szechenyi Library, on Castle
Hill in Budapest. The obituaries are not newspaper announcements but
formal, printed announcements of death. The only U.S. document with an
even slightly similar purpose is a birth announcement. The collection
is largely >from the period 1900-1915, but goes >from 1864-1965. There
are some Jewish obituaries in the collection, but I would be surprised
to see any significant component of Holocaust-era materials. The
collection does not refer to all deaths of Hungarian citizens, but only
to those whose family could afford such an announcement
--Diane Goldman
Maryland USA <dgoldman@erols.com>

. . . Also: there seems to be an orbituary collection in Hungary that
might contain obituaries of Jews having died in the holocaust. Does
anyone know where this collection might be located? And has anyone had
experience in using it and thought it useful? . . .--Susanne Belovari


Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: 1843 Bereg County map? #hungary

Leslie Gyi <leslie@...>
 

I haven't tried using these maps, but I did find a website offering
historical maps of Hungarian Counties below. Unfortunately they seem to be
out of Szabolcs-Szatmar-Berg. They also don't indicate the year the map is
from. Maybe someout there is familiar with this map series and can tell if
they are of sufficient detail for the correct period.

http://www.dholmes.com/rm-book.html

Hungarian County Maps ($12.00)

This is a new series of Hungarian county maps at a scale of 1:200,000. Not
as detailed as the maps above, but they are still supurb references and, of
course, they show every village. In several ways, they are far better than
the old Cartographia maps above because they have many of the village
coats-of-arms in beautiful color, they contain a short county history in
several languages (including English), and they even give population totals
of every village and city within the county. If you already have one of the
county maps like the above >from Cartographia, you won't be disappointed in
adding one of this new series to your collection. (Price includes shipping)

Bacs-Kiskun (2 in stock)
Baranya - OUT
Bekes (2 in stock)
Borsod-Abauj-Zemplen - OUT (has Szabolcs-Szatmar-Bereg on reverse - $18)
Csongrad - (3 in stock)
Fejer (1 in stock)
Gyor-Moson-Sopron - (2 in stock)
Hajdu-Bihar (2 in stock)
Heves (2 in stock)
Jasz-Nagykun-Szolnok (3 in stock)
Komarom-Esztergom (1 in stock)
Nograd - OUT
Pest (3 in stock)
Somogy (2 in stock)
Szabolcs-Szatmar-Bereg - OUT (has Borsod-Abauj-Zemplen on reverse - $18)
Tolna (1 in stock)
Vas - OUT
Veszprem - OUT
Zala (2 in stock)

-----Original Message-----
From: John Rothchild [mailto:jroth@cpcug.org]
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 3:39 PM
To: Hungarian SIG
Subject: 1843 Bereg County map?


Can anyone recommend an on-line map of Bereg County as it existed in
approximately 1843? I need a map showing the smallest towns. Thanks for
any assistance.
--Joan Hartman


This SIG (h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org) is hosted by
JewishGen: The Home of Jewish Genealogy
Visit our home page at http://www.jewishgen.org
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Visit our website at http://www.jewishgen.org/hungary/ , and remember the
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Hungarian "newspapers" and obituaries #hungary

DGoldman <dgoldman@...>
 

I think a past previous discussion of the obituary collection at the
Hungarian National Library may be available in the discussion archives.
There is also information in the journal of the JGS of Greater
Washington--MISHPACHA, vol. 18, no. 2 (summer 1998). Some of that
information is:

The collection is on the first floor of the Szechenyi Library, on Castle
Hill in Budapest. The obituaries are not newspaper announcements but
formal, printed announcements of death. The only U.S. document with an
even slightly similar purpose is a birth announcement. The collection
is largely >from the period 1900-1915, but goes >from 1864-1965. There
are some Jewish obituaries in the collection, but I would be surprised
to see any significant component of Holocaust-era materials. The
collection does not refer to all deaths of Hungarian citizens, but only
to those whose family could afford such an announcement
--Diane Goldman
Maryland USA <dgoldman@erols.com>

. . . Also: there seems to be an orbituary collection in Hungary that
might contain obituaries of Jews having died in the holocaust. Does
anyone know where this collection might be located? And has anyone had
experience in using it and thought it useful? . . .--Susanne Belovari


Re: Slovakian Towns - Help!Another day, a similar question #hungary

Herb Meyers <herbiem@...>
 

The Hungarian town(pre WW1) , Dunkofalva, is about 10 miles northeast
of Munkacs. The Ukrainian name is Obava.

Herb Meyers
Boulder, CO
herbiem@mindspring.com


Re: 1843 Bereg County map? #hungary

Peter I. Hidas <peterhidas@...>
 

http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/vmlista.htm

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thidas@sympatico.ca
peterhidas@yahoo.com
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Slovakian Towns - Help!Another day, a similar question #hungary

Herb Meyers <herbiem@...>
 

The Hungarian town(pre WW1) , Dunkofalva, is about 10 miles northeast
of Munkacs. The Ukrainian name is Obava.

Herb Meyers
Boulder, CO
herbiem@mindspring.com


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: 1843 Bereg County map? #hungary

Peter I. Hidas <peterhidas@...>
 

http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/vmlista.htm

=====
Dr. Peter I. Hidas
historian

thidas@sympatico.ca
peterhidas@yahoo.com
To read some of my studies you are more than welcome to visit my home page at
www3.sympatico.ca/thidas

__________________________________________________
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