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Re: Seeking feedback re: conflicting surnames (GORDON, COHEN, SEBULSKY) and (JAFFE, SINGER, STRAUSE) #names

Michele Lock
 

Here's what I suggest, based on my research to tell apart persons from NYC with the same name, similar year of arrival, similar age, spouse's name - 

1. Get a copy of the image of the marriage and death records. These will have the address of residence for the persons of interest. These can be matched (or not) to addresses from census records, draft cards, naturalization papers, to tell people with the same name apart. 
How to get the images - There is a facebook group called New York City Genealogy. Every day, the admin named Melanie Curtis Egan starts a new post, for those who want the images of birth/death/marriage records in NYC, based on the FamilySearch page for each record. There are persons in that group who know how to get the images from their local Family History Center via wifi from the Center parking lots. The post from the admin lists what info they need from a requestor to do this.

2. For a death record, the image will show the cemetery where the person was buried; this should match what you know from gravestones or obituaries of the deceased.

3. As for your two situations above - 
A. What other evidence to you have from records that Mary Gordon and Jennie Gordon are sisters? Do their ages closely match what you have from census records, etc? 

B. Marriage and death records for Isaac Jaffe - is there evidence that these are the same Isaac Jaffe? Do their ages in the records match up? Do their addresses (obtained from the record images) match up? 

The challenge with NYC vital records is that so many early immigrants had relatively common Jewish surnames, and took/had first names from a limited pool: Ben, Morris, Isadore, Isaac, Abraham, Sam, Jacob, Irving, Charles, Joseph, etc, etc, etc. And for women - Sarah, Rose, Esther, Minnie, Fannie, Tillie, Bessie, Lina, Sylvia, Ada, Ida, Pearl, etc, etc, etc. All immigrating to NYC in the early 1900s, most in their 20s. How many of us have family trees filled with these first names, over and over again?

A case in point - I helped a friend look into his Citron family in NYC. An uncommon Jewish surname - and yet I found two Ben Citrons, both living in the Bronx, both similar ages. One married to a Fannie, another to a Tillie. Figured out who was who based on the image of a death record and ages of first born child. And then I found two couples named Sam and Lena Citron, with both women born the same year! Took a naturalization paper to figure out who was who, plus comparing addresses from census records and draft cards, as well as occupations of the men.

So, to tease things out, get more records on the individuals you are trying to trace, and go from there.
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Michele Lock

Lock/Lak/Lok and Kalon in Zagare/Joniskis, Lithuania
Olitsky in Alytus, Suwalki, Poland/Lithuania
Gutman/Goodman in Czestochowa, Poland
Lavine in Trenton, New Jersey and Lida/Minsk gub., Belarus


Nadworna house mapping project #galicia

Max Heffler
 

From: main@... [mailto:main@...] On Behalf Of Daniella Alyagon via groups.jewishgen.org
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2020 11:06 AM
To: main@...
Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] New Korolowka house mapping project #galicia

 

Is there a link to the Nadworna project?


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Max Heffler
Houston, TX
max@...
HEFFLER(Ukraine)/TIRAS(Poland)/WASSEMAN(Lithuania)/MOORE(Poland)/ZLOT(Lithuania)
GORENSTEIN(Ukraine)/FLEISCHMAN(Latvia)/GOLDEN(Lithuania)


Re: Rothenberg family tree #general

Hank Lobbenberg
 

My Rothenberg families are from Mackensen and Arholzen Germany.
You can find them on my public Lobbenberg  Ancestry tree.
Henry Lobbenberg
Toronto


Re: Fraenkels from Letichev #ukraine

Gary Pokrassa
 

Peter - we have just completed processing metric records from Leytichev from 1841-1852 and I do see one birth and one death record for Frenkel included - please be patient and these records should be online very shortly - they are in the queue.   Further there is one entry from a revision list as follows:

Ukraine Revision Lists

 

Searching for Surname (phonetically like) : FRAENKEL AND
Town (phonetically like) : LEYTICHEV
1 matching record found.
Run on Sat, 07 Nov 2020 09:36:59 -0700

Town
Uyezd
Gubernia
Surname GivenName Father Relationship Sex
Age Last Revision
Age This Revision
Year Left
Reason
Comments Day
Month
Year
Page
Reg.#
Former Reg.#
Publication Type
Archive / Fond
Microfilm
Image
Letichev
Letichev
Podolia
FRINKEL Usher Shimshon Head M
6
-
-
Died
- 2
Apr
1875
31
107
111
Revision list for permanent residents
GAKhmO /226/80/1177
not microfilmed
--
 
Gary Pokrassa
Data Acquisition Director
Ukraine Research Division


Re: Ukrainian State Archives digitization project - Kiev city Jewish births, marriages & deaths #russia #ukraine

Gary Pokrassa
 

Chuck Weinstein put me in touch with Ted a few days ago - I want to thank Ted for his research and finding this information - we have been in contact discussing these - and yes while they duplicate many of the files already posted by Alex K they do fill in several gaps not scanned by Alex - and as Ted points out they are B&W scans of lesser quality than Alex's and also what they have posted are single page images - so the UKR Research Division of JG will definitely process these into our files but we need to figure out a more efficient way to handle these single page files.   Again kudos to Ted for this very valuable information.

It would definitely appear that at least some of the UKR archives are beginning to thaw out in their frosty attitude toward posting online scans of their records.  
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Gary Pokrassa
Data Acquisition Director
Ukraine Research Division


Re: SSDI opinions #general

 

I frequently see the SSDI is off by one year. I have birth records to back up that assertion.
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Jeff Goldner
Researching Goldner, Singer, Neuman, Braun, Schwartz, Gluck, Reichfeld (Hungary/Slovakia); Adler, Roth, Ader (Galicia); Soltz/Shultz/Zuckerman/Zicherman (Vitebsk, maybe Lithuania)


Re: Seeking feedback re: conflicting surnames (GORDON, COHEN, SEBULSKY) and (JAFFE, SINGER, STRAUSE) #names

 

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 11:17 PM, Tracy Fish wrote:
1. According to the NY Index to Death Certificate Mary's death certificate lists her mother's name as Esther GORDON
2. According to NY Marriage Records for Mary GORDON and spouse Issac (Israil) JAFFE in 1893, Mary's mother is listed as Hester COHEN
3. According to NY Marriage Records for Jennie GORDON and spouse Philip FLEISCHER in 1898, Jennie's mother is listed as Hester SEBULSKY.
I have seen this pattern multiple times, my 2GGM is an example where I have sorted this out, other cases not so much. So let me suggest some options: For this first group, on the Death Certificate (1), the person reporting the names did not know Esther/Hester's maiden name and used her married name. On Marriage Record #2, Mary's mother's name is likely her maiden name (COHEN). For Marriage Record #2, Hester either remarried to Mr SEBULSKY after Mr COHEN died, or SEBULSKY was Hester's mother's maiden name. (COHEN could also be a reference to ha Kohain and later used as a surname - which also occurs in my family.)

For group 2, that's a mystery. Very different first names. Perhaps Bloome STRAUSE died and Isaac's father remarried, or more likely, the person reporting did not know the correct information.
 
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Jeff Goldner
Researching Goldner, Singer, Neuman, Braun, Schwartz, Gluck, Reichfeld (Hungary/Slovakia); Adler, Roth, Ader (Galicia); Soltz/Shultz/Zuckerman/Zicherman (Vitebsk, maybe Lithuania)


Re: Rothenberg family tree #general

Joan Pollak <JFPollak@...>
 

My gggrandmother was Leah Rottenberg/Rottenberg born 1838 Rychvald, Hungary. Father Moshe Rottenberg , Rabbi, born 1819 Rychvald. 

I would appreciate a copy of the family tree!
Thank you!
Joan Pollak


Re: Research based on address - Kolomyja, Lviv, Zolkiew #galicia

Steven Turner
 

City landscapes change over time. It can be difficult comparing a Cadastral Map with a modern city map. The best way to do that is to get somebody who is familiar with the town today to look at the Cadastral Map and point out where the house number you have for your record falls out today.

To find all records associated with a house number you can search by house number on the All Galicia Database of Gesher Galicia.

Hope this helps.

Steve


The Lithuanian Jewish Community of Telsiai #lithuania

Carol Hoffman
 

LitvakSIG online journal is proud to announce the wonderful article, The Lithuanian Community of Telsiai, by Phil S. Shapiro. This article
is an in depth study, both human and academic, of Telsiai and it's Jewish community that once was.

To quote the author, "Telšiai Jewish community was typical of similar communities in provincial Lithuania but it also fostered the Telshe
Yeshiva, which developed a model of progressive Jewish education which is followed by Jewish communities worldwide today." He concludes with,
"The year 1941 will similarly be remembered forever as the year that Jewish life in Lithuania ceased to exist. That civilization lives on, however, in the beliefs, practices, and memory of the hundreds of thousands of descendants of Litvaks who now live around the world."

Carol Hoffman
Tel Aviv


Name adoption #germany

info@...
 

Dear group,
during the last months I was able to update my website with a few more name adoption lists.
Beside of others you now can find Worms with more than 500 entires under
www.a-h-b.de/en/projects/genealogy/name-adoption-lists/worms
More list can be found under
nal.a-h-b.de
Thanks to all who sent lists to be added.
Best
Wolfgang Fritzsche, prof. genealogist, Germany, Main-Wiesbaden area


Re: Searching for marriage of my grandparents, Max and Anna Slonimsky, c. 1905 #records

Tracy Fish
 

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 01:59 PM, <jbonline1111@...> wrote:
Passin
Not sure if you've already done this, but I've seen that surname also spelt Pessin/Pesin/Peskin. Maybe an alternative spelling might help?

Goodluck! PS: I use to live in Conway also!
 
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Tracy Fish
Nevada/Brooklyn, New York
tsfishphotography@...
IG: @tsfish

Researching many surnames including: Belarus: DORINSON/DOROSINSKY, LEIBOWITZ/LEVOVICH, LEVIN; Hungary: FRIEDMAN, HERTZ, KLEIN, WEIS; Poland: CHELMINSKI, FRAJSTMAN/TRAJSTMAN, KIERZENBLAT, LAKOMSKA, LANGMAN, LESZCZYNSKI, LEWKOWICZ, MARKOWSKI/MARKS, POTOLOWSKA, SKOVRONSKY/SKOWRONSKI, WYGODA/WEGODA; Russia: GORDON, JAFFE, KAPLAN, PAKORNOV, SEBULSKY; Kronstadt/Saint Petersburg, Russia: COHEN, FELDMAN, FISH/FISCH, GRUNER, TSCHESNO, SLAVIN


Seeking feedback re: conflicting surnames (GORDON, COHEN, SEBULSKY) and (JAFFE, SINGER, STRAUSE) #names

Tracy Fish
 

Hi all,

I am returning back to researching one of my family branches. I had hit a wall a couple of years ago because there were significantly different maiden names for two of my 3XGG.

I will start with the first conflicting name group: GORDON/COHEN/SEBULSKY
My 3XGG Esther (or Hester) to my knowledge did not immigrate to the U.S. Her husband Aaron GORDON (1835-1920) and their 3 daughters Mary/Miriam (1873-1940) who was my 2XGG, Jennie (1878-1950) and Esther (1889-1969) did at various times. There are 3 men that I am currently speculating are brothers but I have not confirmed. 

The issue I have run into is that there are different maiden names/names listed for Esther on different records:
1. According to the NY Index to Death Certificate Mary's death certificate lists her mother's name as Esther GORDON
2. According to NY Marriage Records for Mary GORDON and spouse Issac (Israil) JAFFE in 1893, Mary's mother is listed as Hester COHEN
3. According to NY Marriage Records for Jennie GORDON and spouse Philip FLEISCHER in 1898, Jennie's mother is listed as Hester SEBULSKY.

COHEN and SEBULSKY are obviously very different surnames. 


The second conflicting name group JAFFE, SINGER, STRAUSE:
My other 3xGG also has conflicting names on records: Bloome STRAUSE and Rivka SINGER. The same Mary GORDON mentioned above married Issac (Israil) JAFFE in 1893.
1. According to NY Marriage Records for Mary GORDON and spouse Issac (Israil) JAFFE in 1893, Issac's mother's name is listed as Bloome STRAUSE.
2. According to NY municipal death record for Issac (Israil) JAFFE in 1907, Issac's mother's name is listed as Rivka SINGER.

Again, this is another scenario with two very different names.

Any suggestions how to determine which would have been the correct names? In both instances, they are just vastly different. I'm really not sure how to best proceed and would appreciate any advice. I understand depending on who was reporting the information things could have been mixed-up. All of these records for these family branches only list Russia as location, so I also do not know specifically where they originate.

Thank you in advance,

--
Tracy Fish
Nevada/Brooklyn, New York
tsfishphotography@...
IG: @tsfish

Researching many surnames including: Belarus: DORINSON/DOROSINSKY, LEIBOWITZ/LEVOVICH, LEVIN; Hungary: FRIEDMAN, HERTZ, KLEIN, WEIS; Poland: CHELMINSKI, FRAJSTMAN/TRAJSTMAN, KIERZENBLAT, LAKOMSKA, LANGMAN, LESZCZYNSKI, LEWKOWICZ, MARKOWSKI/MARKS, POTOLOWSKA, SKOVRONSKY/SKOWRONSKI, WYGODA/WEGODA; Russia: GORDON, JAFFE, KAPLAN, PAKORNOV, SEBULSKY; Kronstadt/Saint Petersburg, Russia: COHEN, FELDMAN, FISH/FISCH, GRUNER, TSCHESNO, SLAVIN


Re: Need translation for "Gothic" German #translation #poland #warsaw

Jx. Gx.
 

Hello Rachel,

The term "Gothic German" really refers to an ancient language that was spoken centuries ago, as opposed to Gothic letters such as a print type. Given the date of your letters, I'm thinking you really mean Sütterlin German. From about the time of World War I until 1941 when it was banned by the Nazis, Sütterlin was taught in almost all the German schools.  Could at least one of your letters have been written in that form of German? Maybe. Most young Germans today would probably have a difficult time reading Sütterlin, if at all. Keep in mind also there are numerous German dialects even in the contemporary language. For instance, in the north some people speak a Platt Deutsch (German). In parts of the south the Swabian dialect can be heard.  Its anyone's guess what dialect or proper German the author of these letter spoke and whether he was using a dialect in at least one of these letters familiar to German-speaking people in Poland.

Jeffrey Gee
Arizona    


Re: SSDI opinions #general

dbpdallas@...
 

Trudy,

The SSDI should be considered a reliable secondary source for death information. See Q[uestion]9: What information is available from Social Security records to help in genealogical research? at: https://www.ssa.gov/history/hfaq.html

Some in this string have indicated that census records were used to determine the birth year for people applying for Social Security numbers. The release of census records follows the 72-Year Rule: "According to the '72-Year Rule,' the National Archives releases census records to the general public 72 years after Census Day. As a result, the 1930 census records were released April 1, 2002, and the 1940 records were released April 2, 2012." (FWIW)

David Passman
Dallas, TX


Re: Soviet Army Databases #russia #records

mvayser@...
 

Hi Carl,
there are several documents for Isaak, that I was able to find, based on his birth year/city, as well as father's name.  However, the job and the wife's names differ - factory worker and wife's name was Sofiya.  
I found several Yad Vashem documents for him, including the one you are quoting "He was a manager and married to Ana."  The manager part is not accurate.  It says "мастер на заводе", which literally translates to "master at a factory", as in craftsman or foreman.  One of the documents below lists him as polisher/grinder - so maybe his job title was master polisher or similar.  The form was filled out by his niece Anna Kaplan of LA, who might the same person who passed away in 2007.
Other Yad Vashem documents refer to 2 evacuation locations.  Let me know if you need to get this info, it should contain family member details

All links/translations are from 3 sites owned by Russian Defense Ministry

People's Memory site:
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/heroes/memorial-chelovek_donesenie4925116/
Kaplan Isaak son of Osher
Born 1900
Where: city of Minsk, Voroshilov neighborhood, street Kus? [note: Voroshilov neighborhood (rayon) (1938-1961), after 1961 - Soviet rayon]
called up from Moscow [lived there at that time?] in Dec 1943
rank: private
specialty: artillery crewman
member of party: Communist party
killed on Mar 24 1945
Wife: Sofiya daughter of David, residing in city of Mozir, Frunze str. #3
buried: village Vladen, Germany
 
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/heroes/memorial-chelovek_vpp18444262/
much of the same about basic demographics +
ethnicity: Jewish
social status: blue collar
occupation: grinder [as in parts grinder at a factory]
family: wife + children in city Ulyanovsk, Goncharova st #10, apt 7
criminal record: none
education: 4 grades
 
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/heroes/memorial-chelovek_zahoronenie86217941/
This document states that his remains were reinterned from Włodzienin povyat Głubczyce, in Poland to city of Kędzierzyn-Koźle, alley of Jan Paweł II [search for Kędzierzyn Koźle Cemetery of Soviet Soldiers online to find the cemetary]
Grave 389
 
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/heroes/memorial-chelovek_dopolnitelnoe_donesenie6081081/
Death notification
to Kaplan Sofiya d.o. David, city of Mozyr, 3 Frunze st.
that her husband Kaplan Isaac s.o Osher was killed in battle on Mar 24 1945 was burried in Lower Silesia, Breslau province, vil. Bladen 2km north of the road (Germany)
signature of the regiment commander
 
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/heroes/memorial-chelovek_donesenie62902464/
brief details of when and where burried.  Death notice number 114 was sent on the same day he was killed (Mar 24)
 
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/heroes/podvig-nagrada_kartoteka1371033489/
Order of the Patriotic war II degree
 
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/heroes/podvig-chelovek_nagrazhdenie45125546/
Order of the Patriotic war II degree (posthumously)
awarded for events that took place on Mar 12 and 20, 1945
 
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/heroes/podvig-nagrada_kartoteka1371033489/
Order of the Patriotic war II degree
dated May 1 1945
 
 
Heroism of People site (brief info, same as the last link above)
http://podvignaroda.ru/?#id=1371033488
 
 
Memorial site (more of the same as above)
https://obd-memorial.ru/html/info.htm?id=4925116
https://obd-memorial.ru/html/info.htm?id=62902464
https://obd-memorial.ru/html/info.htm?id=86217941
 
Mike Vayser


Nov. 10: CJH Genealogy Coffee Break #announcements #events #usa

Moriah Amit
 

Next Tuesday (11/10) at 3:30 pm ET, tune into the Center for Jewish History's Facebook page for the next episode of Genealogy Coffee Break. Trying to piece together your family's immigration story? We'll discuss why you should track down your immigrant ancestors' U.S. naturalization records and how to do so. To join the live webinar, click "Follow" on the top of the Center's Facebook page and a notification will pop up on your screen when the webinar goes live. Note: If the notification doesn't appear, you can also find the webinar on our Facebook videos page once it goes live. Catch up on the entire series here
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Moriah Amit
Senior Genealogy Librarian, Center for Jewish History
New York, NY
mamit@...


Fraenkels from Letichev #ukraine

psilver3@...
 

My great grandmother, n. Rachella Fraenkel, was from Letichev, now Ukraine.
She married my ggf  Schmuel Dovid Silberman(n) and gave birth to my gf in Podwoloskaya, now Pidvolochisk.

I am searching for Fraenkel relatives from Letichev.

Peter Silverman


Re: Keller family in Radomysl and Tarnow #poland #galicia

jorge
 

My father's family was from Radomysl Wielki. My father's sister, Cwettel (Celia) Padawer (Radomysl Wielki 1904-Paris 1985) married Herman (Hersch) Keller (Radomysl Wielki 1904-Auschwitz 1942), son of Reuven Keller (1885-1942) and Rosa Schacher (1883-1943), who also had at least another daughter Cwetla Keller (1918-1942) and a son Naftali Keller. 
Jorge Padawer


Re: Ukrainian State Archives digitization project - Kiev city Jewish births, marriages & deaths #russia #ukraine

Daniella Alyagon
 

Could you please explain the method of using this site?

Are scans uploaded to other archive portal in Ukraine as well?

 

Thank you,

 

Daniella Alyagon

11 Rav Ashi St, Tel Aviv 6939545, Israel

alyagon.genealogy@...

 

Researching: ALYAGON (Israel), SHOCHETMAN (Kishinev / Letychev / Derazhnya), AGINSKY (Kishinev / Minsk), FAJNZYLBER (Siennica, Poland / Warsaw, Poland), JELEN (Minsk Mazowiecki, Poland), KIEJZMAN (Garwolin, Poland),  SLIWKA (Garwolin, Poland), MANDELBAUM (Janowiec, Poland / Zwolen, Poland / Kozienice, Poland), CUKIER (Janowiec, Poland), RECHTANT (Kozienice, Poland), FALENBOGEN (Lublin, Poland), ROTENSTREICH (Galicia), SELINGER (Galicia), BITTER (Galicia / Bukowina), HISLER (Galicia / Bukowina ), EIFERMAN (Galicia / Bukowina), FROSTIG (Zolkiew, Galicia / Lviv, Galicia), GRANZBAUER (Zolkiew, Galicia), HERMAN (Zolkiew, Galicia), MESSER (Lviv, Galicia / Vienna, Austria), PROJEKT (Lviv, Galicia), STIERER (Lviv, Galicia), ALTMAN (Lviv, Galicia), FRIEDELS (Lviv, Galicia)

 

From: main@... <main@...> On Behalf Of Ted Gostin
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2020 7:15 PM
To: main@...
Subject: [JewishGen.org] Ukrainian State Archives digitization project - Kiev city Jewish births, marriages & deaths #ukraine #russia

 

While reviewing the new Beta-testing website of the Ukrainian State Archives (English language version at https://archives.gov.ua/en/), I discovered that the archives has been digitizing records for at least the past year, and posting scans of records to the various websites of the regional archives branches.  I hadn't heard anything about this before, and so spent some time reviewing the digitized materials at various regional branch websites.

I found that most of the items of Jewish records that the archives has digitized so far duplicate things that Alex Krakovsky has digitized.  (Alex's website can be found at the following Tiny URL link:  https://tinyurl.com/Alex-Krakovsky-site)  The Ukraine SIG is hard at work translating the records that Alex has posted to the internet.  Alex's digitized records include most, but not all, of the Jewish births, marriages and deaths for Kiev city.  I found that the Central State Archives of Ukraine in Kiev has digitized most of the remaining Jewish birth, marriage records that Alex had not yet digitized through 1901, and that these can be found at their website.  The list of what they have digitized in Kiev city Jewish vitals is at https://cdiak.archives.gov.ua/full_files/1164_0001.php.  Alex's list of Kiev Jewish vital records is at https://uk.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%90%D1%80%D1%85%D1%96%D0%B2%D0%B8/%D0%A6%D0%94%D0%86%D0%90%D0%9A/1164/1#%D0%9A%D0%B8%D1%97%D0%B2.

Comparing what has been digitized on each site, it appears that the Ukraine archives has the following digitized records that Alex has not digitized yet:

Kiev Jewish births - 1875      https://cdiak.archives.gov.ua/spysok_fondiv/1164/0001/0034/
Kiev Jewish births - 1879     https://cdiak.archives.gov.ua/spysok_fondiv/1164/0001/0044/
Kiev Jewish births - 1884     https://cdiak.archives.gov.ua/spysok_fondiv/1164/0001/0057/
Kiev Jewish births - 1885     https://cdiak.archives.gov.ua/spysok_fondiv/1164/0001/0059/
Kiev Jewish births - 1886     https://cdiak.archives.gov.ua/spysok_fondiv/1164/0001/0061/

Kiev Jewish marriages - 1877-1878     https://cdiak.archives.gov.ua/spysok_fondiv/1164/0001/0041/

Kiev Jewish deaths - 1875-1876     https://cdiak.archives.gov.ua/spysok_fondiv/1164/0001/0037/
Kiev Jewish deaths - 1877-1878     https://cdiak.archives.gov.ua/spysok_fondiv/1164/0001/0042/
Kiev Jewish deaths - 1882     https://cdiak.archives.gov.ua/spysok_fondiv/1164/0001/0054/
Kiev Jewish deaths - 1887     https://cdiak.archives.gov.ua/spysok_fondiv/1164/0001/0067/
Kiev Jewish deaths - 1891     https://cdiak.archives.gov.ua/spysok_fondiv/1164/0001/0077/
Kiev Jewish deaths - 1892     https://cdiak.archives.gov.ua/spysok_fondiv/1164/0001/0079/
Kiev Jewish deaths - 1893     https://cdiak.archives.gov.ua/spysok_fondiv/1164/0001/0082/
Kiev Jewish deaths - 1895     https://cdiak.archives.gov.ua/spysok_fondiv/1164/0001/0086/

A couple of notes should be made about these files.  First, the Ukraine State Archives website uses different "delo" or "sprava" numbers (item numbers) to identify each file.  The fond (1164) and opis (1) numbers are the same.  When comparing books that both Alex and the archives digitized, however, it is clear that they are the exact same books, and not different copies of the books.  The logical conclusion is that archives must have renumbered the items in fond 1164, opis 1 between the time that Alex did his scans and the time the archives did its own scans.  Therefore, the books on the archives website have different "sprava" numbers than the books in Alex's list.

Second, there are differences in the way the books were scanned on the website.  Alex did most of his scans in color, while the archives scans are in black & white.  Also, Alex photographed both facing pages of the books together in one image (the Russian and Hebrew pages of the same records), while the archives scanned the Russian and Hebrew pages separately, so there are two images for each set of facing pages.  

Finally, the archives scans are accessed on a page by page basis, unlike Alex's files, which can be downloaded as a complete PDF file for the entire year.  

Those differences noted, it is obviously of great value to Jewish genealogists to have these additional records online and accessible to everyone.  I found a number of my own relatives in the additional years noted above.  The images can be freely downloaded if you find records of interest.  The Ukraine SIG has been notified of these additional online records, and will probably try to find a way to download and image these records as well as Alex Krakovsky's scans.  

I will try to post some additional files I found on the various websites of the Ukrainian State Archives branches that are things that Alex Krakovsky did not scan.  As noted, most of the Jewish files the archives has digitized are things that Alex also digitized, but there some other additions, as well.

Ted Gostin
Sherman Oaks, CA
tedgostin@...

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