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Missing Pieces of the Puzzle #ukraine

Landwave <landwave@...>
 

Dear Fellow Ukraine Researchers,

One of the reasons all of us are fascinated by genealogy is because in
finding out about our ancestors' lives, we are learning more about our
own identities. This point was driven home to me during a recent trip I
made to Europe.

I've just returned >from a visit with my son & daughter-in-law who are
both teaching in Turkey. On the route home, we made a long-anticipated
stop to meet my mother's first cousin & her family, all descended from
my great-grandfather, Pesach GOTLIBOVICH. This was an especially awaited
meeting, as the branches of our family had not seen each other in over
95 years! For 50 of those years, the North American branch had been
convinced that no-one left behind in the Ukraine had survived the 2nd
world war. (I learned through subsequent correspondence that our
relatives had successfully evaded the Nazis by escaping eastward to the
Ural mountains.)

My initial efforts in genealogy about 25 years ago were motivated by
the desire to learn about this family (that of my grandfather's
siblings) who had once sent him postcards >from Cherkassy, Kiev. Although
I discovered many other relatives during my searches, it was not until
1995 that I accidently stumbled across information that led me to the
address that would bring us all together. Our very first exchange of
letters confirmed that my cousin Polina was every bit as excited as I
was to reconnect our isolated branches. In fact she had been trying to
find us as well, but had mistakenly searched in the USA as she only
remembered that my grandfather & his sister had emigrated to "America"-
a generic term for the "New World". It never occurred to her to check in
Canada!

Last year, my son & his wife exchanged visits with our newly
discovered cousins & were the first to meet them after all these years.
(My mother's cousin Polina, her daughter Irina, & granddaughter Nina,
have been living in Germany for about 6 years since the collapse of the
Russian economy.) This month, my husband & I were finally able to make
the trip, & our reunion was a loving & joyful one. Polina is the image
of my mother, & they insist that I look just like her late sister!
Moreover, when my husband developed a cold during our stay, Polina & I
compared cough remedies. She is the only person who knew exactly what I
meant when I said my mother used to make a "goggle-moggle", & to prove
our common ancestry, she proceeded to put one together to ease my
husbamd's throat. (Until then, I always believed that the term was
fabricated by my aunts in Canada! Instead, it turns out to be a "family
recipe" - probably one many of you might even recognize: hot milk,
sugar, egg, & butter - simple & practical, but with a name that further
substantiated our common roots!)

For those detractors of genealogy who cynically say that, as
genealogists, we are "dwelling in the past", & that they "prefer to live
in the present", all I can say is that genealogy is truly about the
living present ... While it is natural for family ties to dissipate &
die out as we age, genealogy gives us a second chance to expand &
appreciate our extended relationships.

I'm now in close touch with many others >from my GOTLIBOVICH roots, &
I'm grateful for all of the rewards my research & labours have brought
me. They're all about living people & the present!!

Good luck to all of you, & I wish you similar successes.
Florence Elman
<haflo@cadvision.com>
Canada

ELMAN researching: MACHERET - Zolotonosha, Ukraine; PRESSMAN - Dolginov,
Vilenskaya (Vileyka); SURIS/SURES - Odessa, Ukraine; WEISSBEIN/VAJSBEJN
Odessa, Ukraine; NERENBERG - Sokoletz, Podolsk, Ukraine;
ZILBERBERG/SILBERBERG - Nova Ushitsa, Podolia, [Kamenets-Podolsk];
GOTLIBOVICH/GOTLIBOWITZ/GOTLIEB - Cherkassy, Korsun, Kharkov, &
H/Gorodishche, Ukraine; KATSOVITCH - Minsk & Vileyka


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Missing Pieces of the Puzzle #ukraine

Landwave <landwave@...>
 

Dear Fellow Ukraine Researchers,

One of the reasons all of us are fascinated by genealogy is because in
finding out about our ancestors' lives, we are learning more about our
own identities. This point was driven home to me during a recent trip I
made to Europe.

I've just returned >from a visit with my son & daughter-in-law who are
both teaching in Turkey. On the route home, we made a long-anticipated
stop to meet my mother's first cousin & her family, all descended from
my great-grandfather, Pesach GOTLIBOVICH. This was an especially awaited
meeting, as the branches of our family had not seen each other in over
95 years! For 50 of those years, the North American branch had been
convinced that no-one left behind in the Ukraine had survived the 2nd
world war. (I learned through subsequent correspondence that our
relatives had successfully evaded the Nazis by escaping eastward to the
Ural mountains.)

My initial efforts in genealogy about 25 years ago were motivated by
the desire to learn about this family (that of my grandfather's
siblings) who had once sent him postcards >from Cherkassy, Kiev. Although
I discovered many other relatives during my searches, it was not until
1995 that I accidently stumbled across information that led me to the
address that would bring us all together. Our very first exchange of
letters confirmed that my cousin Polina was every bit as excited as I
was to reconnect our isolated branches. In fact she had been trying to
find us as well, but had mistakenly searched in the USA as she only
remembered that my grandfather & his sister had emigrated to "America"-
a generic term for the "New World". It never occurred to her to check in
Canada!

Last year, my son & his wife exchanged visits with our newly
discovered cousins & were the first to meet them after all these years.
(My mother's cousin Polina, her daughter Irina, & granddaughter Nina,
have been living in Germany for about 6 years since the collapse of the
Russian economy.) This month, my husband & I were finally able to make
the trip, & our reunion was a loving & joyful one. Polina is the image
of my mother, & they insist that I look just like her late sister!
Moreover, when my husband developed a cold during our stay, Polina & I
compared cough remedies. She is the only person who knew exactly what I
meant when I said my mother used to make a "goggle-moggle", & to prove
our common ancestry, she proceeded to put one together to ease my
husbamd's throat. (Until then, I always believed that the term was
fabricated by my aunts in Canada! Instead, it turns out to be a "family
recipe" - probably one many of you might even recognize: hot milk,
sugar, egg, & butter - simple & practical, but with a name that further
substantiated our common roots!)

For those detractors of genealogy who cynically say that, as
genealogists, we are "dwelling in the past", & that they "prefer to live
in the present", all I can say is that genealogy is truly about the
living present ... While it is natural for family ties to dissipate &
die out as we age, genealogy gives us a second chance to expand &
appreciate our extended relationships.

I'm now in close touch with many others >from my GOTLIBOVICH roots, &
I'm grateful for all of the rewards my research & labours have brought
me. They're all about living people & the present!!

Good luck to all of you, & I wish you similar successes.
Florence Elman
<haflo@cadvision.com>
Canada

ELMAN researching: MACHERET - Zolotonosha, Ukraine; PRESSMAN - Dolginov,
Vilenskaya (Vileyka); SURIS/SURES - Odessa, Ukraine; WEISSBEIN/VAJSBEJN
Odessa, Ukraine; NERENBERG - Sokoletz, Podolsk, Ukraine;
ZILBERBERG/SILBERBERG - Nova Ushitsa, Podolia, [Kamenets-Podolsk];
GOTLIBOVICH/GOTLIBOWITZ/GOTLIEB - Cherkassy, Korsun, Kharkov, &
H/Gorodishche, Ukraine; KATSOVITCH - Minsk & Vileyka


Re: Sailing from Rotterdam #ukraine

Hal S. Maggied, Ph.D. <drmaggoo@...>
 

Israel MARKOWITZ owned a paint store or painting company in Ekaterinoslav,
He came to New York on the ship Potsdam, embarking >from Rotterdam;
unfortunately the passenger manifest is missing.
Allan Mazur
Shalom Allan: You mention the SS Potsdam sailing >from Rotterdam. Were
you able to access the steamship manifests through means other than
the Mormon FHC?

My mom sailed >from Rotterdam on the SS Rotterdam in 1906, but I'm
unable to locate the manifests. She emigrated >from Poryck, Volhynia
Guberniya. Khai Tov, Hal S. Maggied

Hal MAGGIED, PhD; AICP; Ohio State Alumnus <drmaggoo@ix.netcom.com>


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Sailing from Rotterdam #ukraine

Hal S. Maggied, Ph.D. <drmaggoo@...>
 

Israel MARKOWITZ owned a paint store or painting company in Ekaterinoslav,
He came to New York on the ship Potsdam, embarking >from Rotterdam;
unfortunately the passenger manifest is missing.
Allan Mazur
Shalom Allan: You mention the SS Potsdam sailing >from Rotterdam. Were
you able to access the steamship manifests through means other than
the Mormon FHC?

My mom sailed >from Rotterdam on the SS Rotterdam in 1906, but I'm
unable to locate the manifests. She emigrated >from Poryck, Volhynia
Guberniya. Khai Tov, Hal S. Maggied

Hal MAGGIED, PhD; AICP; Ohio State Alumnus <drmaggoo@ix.netcom.com>


Re: Russian Pass #ukraine

SBernst579@...
 

Alicia

I really don't have an answer as to how to obtain such a document. T be
honest, I think it would be impossible to find such a document in the
U.S.S.R. I was very lucy that my British cousin had her great-grandfather's
document. In fact, she nor anyone else in her family ever had the document
translated, and they had it for almost 100 years.
I had it translated here in L.A. In fact Gershko/Harris, the person who
immigrated had 12 children (3 in the Ukraine and the others in G.B.), but the
document stayed with his oldest child and was handed down generation to
generation.
In those days past, who knows how a person ended up in England when they
purportedly were aiming for the U.S.

I want to thank you though for taking an interest.

Stewart Bernstein
Thousand Oaks, CA


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Russian Pass #ukraine

SBernst579@...
 

Alicia

I really don't have an answer as to how to obtain such a document. T be
honest, I think it would be impossible to find such a document in the
U.S.S.R. I was very lucy that my British cousin had her great-grandfather's
document. In fact, she nor anyone else in her family ever had the document
translated, and they had it for almost 100 years.
I had it translated here in L.A. In fact Gershko/Harris, the person who
immigrated had 12 children (3 in the Ukraine and the others in G.B.), but the
document stayed with his oldest child and was handed down generation to
generation.
In those days past, who knows how a person ended up in England when they
purportedly were aiming for the U.S.

I want to thank you though for taking an interest.

Stewart Bernstein
Thousand Oaks, CA


Re: Where is Grodnek ??? #ukraine

Zelde Malevitz <lionzel@...>
 

From: Yoav Epelman
Where is Grodnek ???

Dear Yoav,
The only similar-sounding town I know is Grodno , Belarus between Vilnius,
Lithuania and Bialystok, Poland. Paul Malevitz


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Where is Grodnek ??? #ukraine

Zelde Malevitz <lionzel@...>
 

From: Yoav Epelman
Where is Grodnek ???

Dear Yoav,
The only similar-sounding town I know is Grodno , Belarus between Vilnius,
Lithuania and Bialystok, Poland. Paul Malevitz


Voronovitsa, Podalia Gubernia #ukraine

Gale Bouchillon <galeb@...>
 

I am a new member to the Ukraine SIG. I am researching two branches of
my family >from Voronovitsa - ROSENFELD and SHUTER-SHUTTER-CHUTA-CUTTER.

My paternal grandfather, Max Rosenfeld may have been born in either
Voronovitsa or Mogaloff, Ukraine. His mother, Dina (maiden name unknown)
was born in Mogaloff in 1867 and his father Zelik's place of birth is
unknown.

My paternal grandmother, Rosa Shuter, was born in Voronovitsa, Ukraine.
It is thought that the family may have gone by the name CHUTA. All of
the family migrated through Romania, some staying in England (mostly
changing their surname to CUTTER) and others coming to the US. Those who
came here took the surnames SHUTER, SHUTTER, and CUTTER.

Thus far, I have not seen any mention of Voronovitsa on your messages,
but I thought I'd send this message just in case someone is familiar
with the surnames or the area.

Thank you.

Gale Bouchillon

Researching: ROSENFELD >from Voronovitsa, Ukraine
SHUTER-SHUTTER-CHUTA-CUTTER >from Voronovitsa, Ukraine
KRASKIN >from Moscow
ZARETSKY-SARETSKY-SARETT >from Molodechno, Belarus

--
If I am not for myself, who will be for me? But if I am only for myself,
why do I even exist? And if not now, when? Hillel


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Voronovitsa, Podalia Gubernia #ukraine

Gale Bouchillon <galeb@...>
 

I am a new member to the Ukraine SIG. I am researching two branches of
my family >from Voronovitsa - ROSENFELD and SHUTER-SHUTTER-CHUTA-CUTTER.

My paternal grandfather, Max Rosenfeld may have been born in either
Voronovitsa or Mogaloff, Ukraine. His mother, Dina (maiden name unknown)
was born in Mogaloff in 1867 and his father Zelik's place of birth is
unknown.

My paternal grandmother, Rosa Shuter, was born in Voronovitsa, Ukraine.
It is thought that the family may have gone by the name CHUTA. All of
the family migrated through Romania, some staying in England (mostly
changing their surname to CUTTER) and others coming to the US. Those who
came here took the surnames SHUTER, SHUTTER, and CUTTER.

Thus far, I have not seen any mention of Voronovitsa on your messages,
but I thought I'd send this message just in case someone is familiar
with the surnames or the area.

Thank you.

Gale Bouchillon

Researching: ROSENFELD >from Voronovitsa, Ukraine
SHUTER-SHUTTER-CHUTA-CUTTER >from Voronovitsa, Ukraine
KRASKIN >from Moscow
ZARETSKY-SARETSKY-SARETT >from Molodechno, Belarus

--
If I am not for myself, who will be for me? But if I am only for myself,
why do I even exist? And if not now, when? Hillel


Photograph Folder Designs: Geographic Location? -- ViewMate #general

Howard Relles <rellesh@...>
 

I have an unidentified old photograph mounted inside a folder with two
decorative designs, one on the cover and one on the inside just below
the picture. If you have old pictures in folders with similar designs
and know approximately where they may have been taken, I would
appreciate hearing >from you. Mine (VM072) can be viewed at the new
JewishGen Viewmate site:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview27.html#vm072

Also, I wonder if it might be useful to have an Internet accessable
graphic compilation of such designs to see if they might help others
pinpoint geographic locations. Please let me know your thoughts.

Howard Relles
Schenectady, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Photograph Folder Designs: Geographic Location? -- ViewMate #general

Howard Relles <rellesh@...>
 

I have an unidentified old photograph mounted inside a folder with two
decorative designs, one on the cover and one on the inside just below
the picture. If you have old pictures in folders with similar designs
and know approximately where they may have been taken, I would
appreciate hearing >from you. Mine (VM072) can be viewed at the new
JewishGen Viewmate site:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview27.html#vm072

Also, I wonder if it might be useful to have an Internet accessable
graphic compilation of such designs to see if they might help others
pinpoint geographic locations. Please let me know your thoughts.

Howard Relles
Schenectady, NY


Looking for Sadie GLASER #general

moshe@...
 

Looking for Sadie Glaser nee Rosen or one of her daughters I belive had
three daughters they live in belle harbor NY . I belive they are cousins.
Thank you for your help.

moshe schaeffer


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for Sadie GLASER #general

moshe@...
 

Looking for Sadie Glaser nee Rosen or one of her daughters I belive had
three daughters they live in belle harbor NY . I belive they are cousins.
Thank you for your help.

moshe schaeffer


Surname GERASSI #general

M. Kearns <siguiria@...>
 

Can anyone tell me the origin and dispersion of the surname GERASSI?
thanks,
Menna Kearns Toledano


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Surname GERASSI #general

M. Kearns <siguiria@...>
 

Can anyone tell me the origin and dispersion of the surname GERASSI?
thanks,
Menna Kearns Toledano


áòðééï: Sena near #hungary

Tsvi Sinai <t_sinai1@...>
 

How many inns could be in a villoage of cca. 1500 inhabitans, namely about
300 households?
You wrote that " most of the ( 159 ) jews were inkeepers".

Tsvi Sinai
Givatayim, Israel



Szinna or Senya, was a Hungarian-Slovak-Russian
village in the early 19th century. It was located in
near Kassa in Abauj County. The population in the late
1820s consisted of 762 Russian Orthodox, 240 Greek
Orthodox, 240 Roman Catholics, 27 Lutherans, 397
Calvinists and 159 Jews. Most of the Jews were
innkeepers. They had their own synagogue.

I am glad to be of service,

Best wishes and good hunting,

Peter I. Hidas


Hungary SIG #Hungary áòðééï: Sena near #hungary

Tsvi Sinai <t_sinai1@...>
 

How many inns could be in a villoage of cca. 1500 inhabitans, namely about
300 households?
You wrote that " most of the ( 159 ) jews were inkeepers".

Tsvi Sinai
Givatayim, Israel



Szinna or Senya, was a Hungarian-Slovak-Russian
village in the early 19th century. It was located in
near Kassa in Abauj County. The population in the late
1820s consisted of 762 Russian Orthodox, 240 Greek
Orthodox, 240 Roman Catholics, 27 Lutherans, 397
Calvinists and 159 Jews. Most of the Jews were
innkeepers. They had their own synagogue.

I am glad to be of service,

Best wishes and good hunting,

Peter I. Hidas


SITE OF INTEREST #hungary

Mehadrin@...
 

A recent emigr=E9 >from Slovakia, Martin Hegedus, maintains a web site for a=20
magazine of Jews living in Slovakia and the Czech republic. It is in both=20
English and Slovak. There is a section devoted to genealogy and a message=20
board there for family researchers, which could be of interest.
The address is:
http://www.chaverim.sk/english/genealogy/board.html

Rabbi Avrohom Marmorstein NYC
mehadrin@aol.com


Hungary SIG #Hungary SITE OF INTEREST #hungary

Mehadrin@...
 

A recent emigr=E9 >from Slovakia, Martin Hegedus, maintains a web site for a=20
magazine of Jews living in Slovakia and the Czech republic. It is in both=20
English and Slovak. There is a section devoted to genealogy and a message=20
board there for family researchers, which could be of interest.
The address is:
http://www.chaverim.sk/english/genealogy/board.html

Rabbi Avrohom Marmorstein NYC
mehadrin@aol.com