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Names #belarus

dorothy rivers <dotvic@...>
 

Here's another NAME story.

For the longest time I searched for my grandfather, Sam BERGSTEIN. I
knew the ship and dates for his sailing to America but could never find his
name on the passenger list.

Then one day I mentioned it to my mother, who can't see any sense in all
this family searching. But, she did come up with this remark.

"You know, I remember my father's shaving mug had the name Oscar on it"
EUREKA! There he was on the passenger list along with my grandmother's
youngest brother. And about a dollar fifty between them.

Dorothy Auerbach Rivers New Mexico USA


Belarus SIG #Belarus Names #belarus

dorothy rivers <dotvic@...>
 

Here's another NAME story.

For the longest time I searched for my grandfather, Sam BERGSTEIN. I
knew the ship and dates for his sailing to America but could never find his
name on the passenger list.

Then one day I mentioned it to my mother, who can't see any sense in all
this family searching. But, she did come up with this remark.

"You know, I remember my father's shaving mug had the name Oscar on it"
EUREKA! There he was on the passenger list along with my grandmother's
youngest brother. And about a dollar fifty between them.

Dorothy Auerbach Rivers New Mexico USA


Names: Guta #belarus

Leonid Zeliger <lzeliger@...>
 

Modern Hebrew name, which is rather common in Israel , is TOVA (fem.
"good"in Hebrew). It looks like formal translation of Yiddish/German
GUTE into Hebrew.

But it also could be a Hebraized variant of Yiddish name Toibe/Taube
(="dove", Sp."paloma")

Leonid Zeliger
Jerusalem
lzeliger@hotmail.com


Belarus SIG #Belarus Names: Guta #belarus

Leonid Zeliger <lzeliger@...>
 

Modern Hebrew name, which is rather common in Israel , is TOVA (fem.
"good"in Hebrew). It looks like formal translation of Yiddish/German
GUTE into Hebrew.

But it also could be a Hebraized variant of Yiddish name Toibe/Taube
(="dove", Sp."paloma")

Leonid Zeliger
Jerusalem
lzeliger@hotmail.com


Re: How many marriages? #hungary

teddyg1@...
 

H-Sigs,

May I give the case I found out in my own very close family. My elder
brother z"l was given at his birth as family name Hibschman, my mother's
family name, and not Goldstein my father's family name becasue my parents
were than only married under the Chupa and not officially in civil mariage.
So the baby that lived only 4 months, was burried in the jewish cemetery aas
Hershele Hibschman and not Hershele Goldstein.
I have found out in other barances this phenomena also. I thought that I
have to look for Goldstein Leviim only and finally I found out, that we have
also Cohanim and Israel for that same very reason that family names where
given to children that the parents where not officially married by a civil
authority. The mathers where considered single mothers eventhough
religiously they where married ladies.
Happy hanukah,

Touvia (Teddy) Goldstein
Israel
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/1756
Looking for:
Names:Goldstein, Hibschman, Wohl, Berliner, Shcoenfeld, Eisenberg, Riter
Towns in Slovakia: Orlich, Bodruzal, Stropko, Ortotowa, Ladomirova,
Michalowsce, Preshov, Svidnik

----- Original Message -----
From: George Farkas <george@drtax.ca>
To: Hungarian SIG <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 12:04 AM
Subject: Re: How many marriages?


Hi,

I received this information >from my great-uncle, but I have not verified
it. There were two cases in my family where the children took the mother's
name and this was given as the reason. There were other situations, where,
in second marriages, the children did take the father's name.

George Farkas


At 12/1/00 10:15 AM +0100, Graner Georges wrote:
Hello,
I am surprised that there is a discussion about the number of marriages
allowed for jews in the Austro-Hungarian empire. It might have been true
in Galicia but not in Hungary.
In my family, there are many cases of brothers who got married legally
without problem.
mod.- I think we have already established the historical fact that there
were no restrictions on legal secular or religious marriages in Hungary
proper. There are a myriad of reasons why a person would begin useing the
mother's name and not the father's name. It was not an uncommon experience
throughout Eastern Europe. Unless there is some new substantial material
on this subject let's close this thread.LS


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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: How many marriages? #hungary

teddyg1@...
 

H-Sigs,

May I give the case I found out in my own very close family. My elder
brother z"l was given at his birth as family name Hibschman, my mother's
family name, and not Goldstein my father's family name becasue my parents
were than only married under the Chupa and not officially in civil mariage.
So the baby that lived only 4 months, was burried in the jewish cemetery aas
Hershele Hibschman and not Hershele Goldstein.
I have found out in other barances this phenomena also. I thought that I
have to look for Goldstein Leviim only and finally I found out, that we have
also Cohanim and Israel for that same very reason that family names where
given to children that the parents where not officially married by a civil
authority. The mathers where considered single mothers eventhough
religiously they where married ladies.
Happy hanukah,

Touvia (Teddy) Goldstein
Israel
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/1756
Looking for:
Names:Goldstein, Hibschman, Wohl, Berliner, Shcoenfeld, Eisenberg, Riter
Towns in Slovakia: Orlich, Bodruzal, Stropko, Ortotowa, Ladomirova,
Michalowsce, Preshov, Svidnik

----- Original Message -----
From: George Farkas <george@drtax.ca>
To: Hungarian SIG <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 12:04 AM
Subject: Re: How many marriages?


Hi,

I received this information >from my great-uncle, but I have not verified
it. There were two cases in my family where the children took the mother's
name and this was given as the reason. There were other situations, where,
in second marriages, the children did take the father's name.

George Farkas


At 12/1/00 10:15 AM +0100, Graner Georges wrote:
Hello,
I am surprised that there is a discussion about the number of marriages
allowed for jews in the Austro-Hungarian empire. It might have been true
in Galicia but not in Hungary.
In my family, there are many cases of brothers who got married legally
without problem.
mod.- I think we have already established the historical fact that there
were no restrictions on legal secular or religious marriages in Hungary
proper. There are a myriad of reasons why a person would begin useing the
mother's name and not the father's name. It was not an uncommon experience
throughout Eastern Europe. Unless there is some new substantial material
on this subject let's close this thread.LS


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Re: where is every one? #dna

Wendell D Barker <wendell73@...>
 

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Shalom Bennett,
And Happy Hanukkah to you and yours. I have a question about MTDNA and
its effects on the male. What are the actual transmutation capabilities
of recessive and/or recombinant genes in the third generation son from
the mother.
Wendell
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DNA Research #DNA Re: where is every one? #dna

Wendell D Barker <wendell73@...>
 

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Shalom Bennett,
And Happy Hanukkah to you and yours. I have a question about MTDNA and
its effects on the male. What are the actual transmutation capabilities
of recessive and/or recombinant genes in the third generation son from
the mother.
Wendell
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cemetery records- additional info. #general

Njturtle55@...
 

I need a cemetery look up for the following three people. Burials could
have taken place in Maryland, Delaware, Penna., New Jersey or New York, I think.

Please note the additional info. for each person::::

Sara BUCHHOLTZ, born about 1843 in Austria? Came to the USA on May
9.1890 aboard the SS Russia, landing in NYC. Original destination was
supposed to be Baltimore according to the ship's passenger list.
Traveled with children Olga, Fanny and Anna. Husband may have been
Berisch Buchholtz, who traveled with them.

The children and Berisch have all been located. They are buried in
Montefiore Cemetery, outside of Phila. She is not there, as far as I can
tell. I have not been able to find any other records on her.

David BERNSTEIN, born about 1843 in Austria? Came to the USA on May 9,
1890 aboard the SS Russia, landing in NYC. He was 11 months old.
Original destination was again Baltimore. He traveled with his mother
Bluma Bernstein and brother Herish (Harry) age 9. Bluma is buried in
Montefiore under the married name Pickholtz while Herish is buried in
Roosevelt Cemetery, again outside of Phila.

The 1900 and 1920 Census show no David. I again have not been able to
find any other records.

Abraham MANDELKERN, born Nov. 3, 1896 in Phila., Pa. I have his birth
cert. and he is listed in the 1900 Census. His parents were Max
Mandelkern and Olga PICKHOLTZ.
He had two brothers, Clarence and Maurice. The parents and two sons are
buried in Montefiore. The cemetery has no records for a David.

As you can tell >from this info., all three people are related to the
Pickholtz family.

Thanks for your help.

Steve Pickholtz
njturtle55@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen cemetery records- additional info. #general

Njturtle55@...
 

I need a cemetery look up for the following three people. Burials could
have taken place in Maryland, Delaware, Penna., New Jersey or New York, I think.

Please note the additional info. for each person::::

Sara BUCHHOLTZ, born about 1843 in Austria? Came to the USA on May
9.1890 aboard the SS Russia, landing in NYC. Original destination was
supposed to be Baltimore according to the ship's passenger list.
Traveled with children Olga, Fanny and Anna. Husband may have been
Berisch Buchholtz, who traveled with them.

The children and Berisch have all been located. They are buried in
Montefiore Cemetery, outside of Phila. She is not there, as far as I can
tell. I have not been able to find any other records on her.

David BERNSTEIN, born about 1843 in Austria? Came to the USA on May 9,
1890 aboard the SS Russia, landing in NYC. He was 11 months old.
Original destination was again Baltimore. He traveled with his mother
Bluma Bernstein and brother Herish (Harry) age 9. Bluma is buried in
Montefiore under the married name Pickholtz while Herish is buried in
Roosevelt Cemetery, again outside of Phila.

The 1900 and 1920 Census show no David. I again have not been able to
find any other records.

Abraham MANDELKERN, born Nov. 3, 1896 in Phila., Pa. I have his birth
cert. and he is listed in the 1900 Census. His parents were Max
Mandelkern and Olga PICKHOLTZ.
He had two brothers, Clarence and Maurice. The parents and two sons are
buried in Montefiore. The cemetery has no records for a David.

As you can tell >from this info., all three people are related to the
Pickholtz family.

Thanks for your help.

Steve Pickholtz
njturtle55@aol.com


Re: Guta - WAS: Names #belarus

Elsebeth Paikin
 

At 07:42 27-12-00 -0500, Marlene Bishow wrote:
...snip...
With respect to female names. Can anyone translate the name "Guta"?
-------------
"Gute" in German is "Good" I presume that it has the same meaning in
Yiddish.

You often find the name Gute -- sometimes together with "Rasche"
(meaning "Healthy" -- among Ashkenazim.

Probably the "real" name would often start with "G"
(as your example: Golda)

Best regards

--
Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark,
e-mail: elsebeth@paikin.dk
--


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Guta - WAS: Names #belarus

Elsebeth Paikin
 

At 07:42 27-12-00 -0500, Marlene Bishow wrote:
...snip...
With respect to female names. Can anyone translate the name "Guta"?
-------------
"Gute" in German is "Good" I presume that it has the same meaning in
Yiddish.

You often find the name Gute -- sometimes together with "Rasche"
(meaning "Healthy" -- among Ashkenazim.

Probably the "real" name would often start with "G"
(as your example: Golda)

Best regards

--
Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark,
e-mail: elsebeth@paikin.dk
--


Names #belarus

Marlene Bishow <mlbishow@...>
 

I have found the discussion on names to be very informative - especially the
Yiddish-Hebrew references. But the most important advice is that name seemed
to be very fluent and flexible. My gfather (b. 1894) came to the US and used
the name Jacob for school and citizenship, but George J. for employment. I
recently had his birth certificate translated and found that his Russian
name was Evno. What is the usual Hebrew name used for the Russian - Evno?

My ggfather was known to me as Velvel (Yiddish). He went by William in the
US, but on the birth certificate his name is indicated as Vul'f and his
tombstone gives his Hebrew name as Zev. Also interesting is the significance
of the ornamentation on the stone - a water pitcher, which I am told
signifies that he was a Levite......another new fact for me.

With respect to female names. Can anyone translate the name "Guta"? She was
known in the US as Gussie, but I have another gmother who was known as
Gussie, but her papers say that her name (Galician) was Golda.

Thanks for the input.

Marlene Bishow
MLBISHOW@MINDSPRING.COM
Searching for HANTMAN,HARTMAN,HANDMAN >from Smilovich, Sverhen', Belarus
KATZ,DEUTSCHER >from Zhuravno (Galicia), Ukraine
DEUTSCHER,NUSSBAUM,KATZ >from Rozniatow (Galicia),
Ukraine


Belarus SIG #Belarus Names #belarus

Marlene Bishow <mlbishow@...>
 

I have found the discussion on names to be very informative - especially the
Yiddish-Hebrew references. But the most important advice is that name seemed
to be very fluent and flexible. My gfather (b. 1894) came to the US and used
the name Jacob for school and citizenship, but George J. for employment. I
recently had his birth certificate translated and found that his Russian
name was Evno. What is the usual Hebrew name used for the Russian - Evno?

My ggfather was known to me as Velvel (Yiddish). He went by William in the
US, but on the birth certificate his name is indicated as Vul'f and his
tombstone gives his Hebrew name as Zev. Also interesting is the significance
of the ornamentation on the stone - a water pitcher, which I am told
signifies that he was a Levite......another new fact for me.

With respect to female names. Can anyone translate the name "Guta"? She was
known in the US as Gussie, but I have another gmother who was known as
Gussie, but her papers say that her name (Galician) was Golda.

Thanks for the input.

Marlene Bishow
MLBISHOW@MINDSPRING.COM
Searching for HANTMAN,HARTMAN,HANDMAN >from Smilovich, Sverhen', Belarus
KATZ,DEUTSCHER >from Zhuravno (Galicia), Ukraine
DEUTSCHER,NUSSBAUM,KATZ >from Rozniatow (Galicia),
Ukraine


where is every one? #dna

Bcg <bcg@...>
 

I haven't heard anything >from you guys in a long time either. All those
questions, then we start to send out results (some very exciting, and all
quiet on the Jewish front :(


Happy Hanukkah to all.


Bennett Greenspan FTDNA Houston


DNA Research #DNA where is every one? #dna

Bcg <bcg@...>
 

I haven't heard anything >from you guys in a long time either. All those
questions, then we start to send out results (some very exciting, and all
quiet on the Jewish front :(


Happy Hanukkah to all.


Bennett Greenspan FTDNA Houston


Re: DNA database access fails #dna

Bcg <bcg@...>
 

Hi Alan

Found the link error. It works now. Thanks for the mail.



Best Regards

Bennett Greenspan
President
http://www.FamilyTreeDNA.com
info@familytreedna.com
The World's only website dedicated to Genealogy by Genetics


DNA Research #DNA Re: DNA database access fails #dna

Bcg <bcg@...>
 

Hi Alan

Found the link error. It works now. Thanks for the mail.



Best Regards

Bennett Greenspan
President
http://www.FamilyTreeDNA.com
info@familytreedna.com
The World's only website dedicated to Genealogy by Genetics


Satoraljaujhely #hungary

jek <jek.hbacka@...>
 

After WWI (around 1920) when the new state of Czeckoslovakia was created,
the border got drawn right across Satoraljaujhely.
Thus a smaller part of the town became a Slovakian town under the name of
Slov. Nove Mesto. This Slovakian town got reattached to Hungary for a few
years under WWII (1939-1945).
The greater part of Satoraljaujhely never belonged to Czeckoslovakia or to
Slovakia.

Jeno Kohn (born and raised in Satoraljujhely)
<jek.hbacka@swipnet.se>

------- original message ---------

From: ESES@aol.com
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 08:22:05 EST
X-Message-Number: 1

I am not sue if I read this on this form that part of the city of
Satoraljaujhely was at the same time in Hungary and Slovakia. What period of
time did this occur?
Errol Schneegurt LI NY

mod. Another important person born in Satoraljaujehely was Estee Lauder.LS


Hungary SIG #Hungary Satoraljaujhely #hungary

jek <jek.hbacka@...>
 

After WWI (around 1920) when the new state of Czeckoslovakia was created,
the border got drawn right across Satoraljaujhely.
Thus a smaller part of the town became a Slovakian town under the name of
Slov. Nove Mesto. This Slovakian town got reattached to Hungary for a few
years under WWII (1939-1945).
The greater part of Satoraljaujhely never belonged to Czeckoslovakia or to
Slovakia.

Jeno Kohn (born and raised in Satoraljujhely)
<jek.hbacka@swipnet.se>

------- original message ---------

From: ESES@aol.com
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 08:22:05 EST
X-Message-Number: 1

I am not sue if I read this on this form that part of the city of
Satoraljaujhely was at the same time in Hungary and Slovakia. What period of
time did this occur?
Errol Schneegurt LI NY

mod. Another important person born in Satoraljaujehely was Estee Lauder.LS