Definitely let me know as you organize the next trip. Nearby Pultusk is =
of more immediate interest to me.

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New York, NY 10014-3660
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Bob,
In answer to your question, I've been to Ciechanow several =
times.
I'll be organizing a genealogy research group to Poland again this summer, =
and
Ciechanow is (at least for me) the key site on the itinerary. Some of the =
Jewsih
historic places still remain - but not many. The town is "Judenrein" =
today -
with one possible unconfirmed exception.
The town officials have always been very receptive and =
cooperative.
I'm in contact with the Jewish-Polish Friendship Society for the Mazowsze =
area
which is centered in Ciechanow.
There is at least one "acceptable" hotel in town.
There are some research opportunities in town which I'll be =
exploring
with some of the locals, and there is the likelihood of setting up some =
permanent
connections between descendants of Ciechanow (like us) and current =
residents.
You can rent a car in Warsaw or (recommended if you aren't =
fluent in
Polish) hire a car and driver/translator. As a group, we hire limousines =
or
mini-buses to accomodate all of the travellers and translators.
If you're interested in joining our trip, contact me personally=
.

MayersNYC@aol.com wrote:

I am following all of this with great interest. About 3 years ago I =

ordered

Ciechanow records through the Mormon Center in New York City. When they =

came,

I hired a Polish grad student >from Columbia University to accompany me =

and

help translate the Polish. We found several of my family records for the
1860's-1880's, but I saw nothing much earlier; so I would love to be =

able to

delve further.

Incidentally, I've been playing with the idea of visiting Ciechanow. Has
anyone been there in recent years. If so, is there anything left of =

interest

for us to see?
Many thanks,
Bob

--
Allan E. Mallenbaum
Plainview, LI, NY
<GenealogistA@nais.com>

_R_E_S_E_A_R_C_H_I_N_G_ <<<<<<<<<<

CZECH REPUBLIC
**Praha (Prague)**
LANDAU (Rabbi Yechezkiel)
LITHUANIA
**Jonava**
KAGAN (COHEN)
POLAND
**Ciechanow**
ROBOTA
TROM(B)KA
GARBARZ
SCHMIDT
BENDET
ABRAMS
GOLDSTEIN
ALT(H)US
DIAMENT
PASS
SILVERMAN
**Warszawa**
MALENBAUM
RUSSIA
**Moscow**
MALENBAUM
UKRAINE
**Chernigov**
NISENBAUM
(G)HECHTMAN
**Lezajsk**
ELIMELECH, Rabbi
**Uman**
LANDAU,
BRAILOVSKY



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Saatchi & Saatchi Kid Connection
375 Hudson Street
New York, NY 10014-3660
T: 212-463-2850
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Bob,
In answer to your question, I've been to Ciechanow several =
times.
I'll be organizing a genealogy research group to Poland again this summer, =
and
Ciechanow is (at least for me) the key site on the itinerary. Some of the =
Jewsih
historic places still remain - but not many. The town is "Judenrein" =
today -
with one possible unconfirmed exception.
The town officials have always been very receptive and =
cooperative.
I'm in contact with the Jewish-Polish Friendship Society for the Mazowsze =
area
which is centered in Ciechanow.
There is at least one "acceptable" hotel in town.
There are some research opportunities in town which I'll be =
exploring
with some of the locals, and there is the likelihood of setting up some =
permanent
connections between descendants of Ciechanow (like us) and current =
residents.
You can rent a car in Warsaw or (recommended if you aren't =
fluent in
Polish) hire a car and driver/translator. As a group, we hire limousines =
or
mini-buses to accomodate all of the travellers and translators.
If you're interested in joining our trip, contact me personally=
.

MayersNYC@aol.com wrote:

I am following all of this with great interest. About 3 years ago I =

ordered

Ciechanow records through the Mormon Center in New York City. When they =

came,

I hired a Polish grad student >from Columbia University to accompany me =

and

help translate the Polish. We found several of my family records for the
1860's-1880's, but I saw nothing much earlier; so I would love to be =

able to

delve further.

Incidentally, I've been playing with the idea of visiting Ciechanow. Has
anyone been there in recent years. If so, is there anything left of =

interest

for us to see?
Many thanks,
Bob

--
Allan E. Mallenbaum
Plainview, LI, NY
<GenealogistA@nais.com>

_R_E_S_E_A_R_C_H_I_N_G_ <<<<<<<<<<

CZECH REPUBLIC
**Praha (Prague)**
LANDAU (Rabbi Yechezkiel)
LITHUANIA
**Jonava**
KAGAN (COHEN)
POLAND
**Ciechanow**
ROBOTA
TROM(B)KA
GARBARZ
SCHMIDT
BENDET
ABRAMS
GOLDSTEIN
ALT(H)US
DIAMENT
PASS
SILVERMAN
**Warszawa**
MALENBAUM
RUSSIA
**Moscow**
MALENBAUM
UKRAINE
**Chernigov**
NISENBAUM
(G)HECHTMAN
**Lezajsk**
ELIMELECH, Rabbi
**Uman**
LANDAU,
BRAILOVSKY



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Dear Genners,
Does anyone know how to look up social security death records prior to
1960. These records are not on the Ancestry death index. I have the birth
date of the individual but do not have any other information.

Thank You,
Jay Miller

Researching: MILLER, MULLER, Polish Galicia to NY; KAMINSKYKARLINSKY,
Kiev to NY/NJ;MISNIKOFF, Odessa.

MODERATOR NOTE: The Social Security InfoFile may be of help. It can
be found at http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/us-ssa.txt

I have a few pages of text form a PlayBill in Lithuanian to translate.
Any help would be apprecaited.
Thanks, Neil Rosenstein

Howdy!

I have uploaded a very brief handwriting sample onto ViewMate (VM003).
It has given me much trouble, even with the resources so many have kindly
posted in the past, and I am hoping extra eyes may be of help. It is
written on the back of a photo of a young woman named Clara (who was a
friend of the family). The first word does appear to be her name, though
I could be mistaken. The rest of it, except for the numerals, is a
complete mystery to me.

Any thoughts? Please send them to me at ifidont@juno.com .

Thanks very much to Messrs. Kouchel & Herz for this service.

Barbara Niederhoff
Centennial CO

I would like information on the LEWIS family of Belmar, New Jersey. All
I know about them is that there were at least a brother and two sisters,
Ella Shevi and Esther Malki (who were possibly half-sisters) by that
surname, that the sisters stayed in Des Moines, Iowa while the brother
(whose first name I don't know) and his family settled in Belmar, New
Jersey.

Ella Shevi/Elizabeth (Mrs. Abe KRAMER) was born on July 16, 1863 and died
July 12, 1946. Esther Malki/Esther Miriam was born March 29, 1861 and
died January 29, 1939. Both Lithuanian-born sisters died in Des Moines.

Apparently the Belmar branch of the family wre bootleggers during
Prohibition.

Stacy Harris

You are right!! In most of the country, it is typical for a city to be
within the county. I go to school in Binghamton. It is just one city
within Broome Cty, and there are so many other towns and cities within
Broome.
But, New York City is the opposite!!. It is made up of 5 boroughs (Staten
Island, Brooklyn, Manhattan, Queens, Bronx) -- but each are their own
county.
Staten Island - Richmond Cty
Brooklyn - Kings Cty
Manhattan - New York Cty
Queens - Queens Cty
Bronx - Bronx Cty

People think its confusing b/c they're not used to parts of a city being
separate counties. It doesn't make much of a difference. If you have to
go to court, you don't have to travel far, b/c it stays within the county!
--Howie Zakai
Staten Island & Binghamton, NY

Dear Genners,
Does anyone know how to look up social security death records prior to
1960. These records are not on the Ancestry death index. I have the birth
date of the individual but do not have any other information.

Thank You,
Jay Miller

Researching: MILLER, MULLER, Polish Galicia to NY; KAMINSKYKARLINSKY,
Kiev to NY/NJ;MISNIKOFF, Odessa.

MODERATOR NOTE: The Social Security InfoFile may be of help. It can
be found at http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/us-ssa.txt

I have a few pages of text form a PlayBill in Lithuanian to translate.
Any help would be apprecaited.
Thanks, Neil Rosenstein

Howdy!

I have uploaded a very brief handwriting sample onto ViewMate (VM003).
It has given me much trouble, even with the resources so many have kindly
posted in the past, and I am hoping extra eyes may be of help. It is
written on the back of a photo of a young woman named Clara (who was a
friend of the family). The first word does appear to be her name, though
I could be mistaken. The rest of it, except for the numerals, is a
complete mystery to me.

Any thoughts? Please send them to me at ifidont@juno.com .

Thanks very much to Messrs. Kouchel & Herz for this service.

Barbara Niederhoff
Centennial CO

I would like information on the LEWIS family of Belmar, New Jersey. All
I know about them is that there were at least a brother and two sisters,
Ella Shevi and Esther Malki (who were possibly half-sisters) by that
surname, that the sisters stayed in Des Moines, Iowa while the brother
(whose first name I don't know) and his family settled in Belmar, New
Jersey.

Ella Shevi/Elizabeth (Mrs. Abe KRAMER) was born on July 16, 1863 and died
July 12, 1946. Esther Malki/Esther Miriam was born March 29, 1861 and
died January 29, 1939. Both Lithuanian-born sisters died in Des Moines.

Apparently the Belmar branch of the family wre bootleggers during
Prohibition.

Stacy Harris

You are right!! In most of the country, it is typical for a city to be
within the county. I go to school in Binghamton. It is just one city
within Broome Cty, and there are so many other towns and cities within
Broome.
But, New York City is the opposite!!. It is made up of 5 boroughs (Staten
Island, Brooklyn, Manhattan, Queens, Bronx) -- but each are their own
county.
Staten Island - Richmond Cty
Brooklyn - Kings Cty
Manhattan - New York Cty
Queens - Queens Cty
Bronx - Bronx Cty

People think its confusing b/c they're not used to parts of a city being
separate counties. It doesn't make much of a difference. If you have to
go to court, you don't have to travel far, b/c it stays within the county!
--Howie Zakai
Staten Island & Binghamton, NY

good morning 'Genners,

I am trying to purchase a copy of an out of print book, "History of Brooklyn
Jewry", by Samuel P. Abelow, published in 1937.

Unfortunately, my library has recently insituted a policy of refusing to do
inter-library loans, something which I've used often over the years.

I've checked the usual sources, Barnes & Noble, Amazon, ABE Books, and several
others, to no avail.

My first choice would be to purchase the book. However, a second option is
if anyone has the book would it be possible to allow me to borrow it for
several weeks, I would of course pay for shipping in both directions (U.S. only
please).

Thanks for any ideas you may have,

Sherri Bobish
Searching: RATOWSKY, Ariogala, Lith.
WALTZMAN, Ustrzyki Dolne (Istryker), Galicia
LEFFENFELD, Daliowa, Galicia
BOJDA, Tarnobrzeg, Galicia

I have several ancestors buried in NY city cemeteries. I do not live in
that area, and would like to have someone photograph their tombstones so
that I can learn the Hebrew names of their fathers. The NY cemeteries of
interest to me are Mt. Lebanon, Beth David, Montefiore, Mt. Carmel, and
Wellwood. I also have a great-grandparents in Los Angeles in the Mt. Carmel
Cemetery. Any advice on finding a photographer for this purpose?

MODERATOR NOTE: Recommendations for specific photographers should
be sent privately. General advice may be posted publicly.

Whoops! A correction is in order!

Udi Cain just pointed out to me that although I correctly identified and
calculated 5761 in that picture postcard, for some weird I mistakenly wrote
"nun" for "samekh." (Had I actually read it as a "nun" I would
obvioiusly have misstated the year as 5751.)

Anyhow it was indeed 5761 as stated, but the actual Hebrew letters were
taf shin *samekh* aleph, and not taf shin *nun* aleph as misstated!
Serves me right for typing too fast! Thanks, Udi!

Judith Romney Wegner

good morning 'Genners,

I am trying to purchase a copy of an out of print book, "History of Brooklyn
Jewry", by Samuel P. Abelow, published in 1937.

Unfortunately, my library has recently insituted a policy of refusing to do
inter-library loans, something which I've used often over the years.

I've checked the usual sources, Barnes & Noble, Amazon, ABE Books, and several
others, to no avail.

My first choice would be to purchase the book. However, a second option is
if anyone has the book would it be possible to allow me to borrow it for
several weeks, I would of course pay for shipping in both directions (U.S. only
please).

Thanks for any ideas you may have,

Sherri Bobish
Searching: RATOWSKY, Ariogala, Lith.
WALTZMAN, Ustrzyki Dolne (Istryker), Galicia
LEFFENFELD, Daliowa, Galicia
BOJDA, Tarnobrzeg, Galicia

I have several ancestors buried in NY city cemeteries. I do not live in
that area, and would like to have someone photograph their tombstones so
that I can learn the Hebrew names of their fathers. The NY cemeteries of
interest to me are Mt. Lebanon, Beth David, Montefiore, Mt. Carmel, and
Wellwood. I also have a great-grandparents in Los Angeles in the Mt. Carmel
Cemetery. Any advice on finding a photographer for this purpose?

MODERATOR NOTE: Recommendations for specific photographers should
be sent privately. General advice may be posted publicly.

Whoops! A correction is in order!

Udi Cain just pointed out to me that although I correctly identified and
calculated 5761 in that picture postcard, for some weird I mistakenly wrote
"nun" for "samekh." (Had I actually read it as a "nun" I would
obvioiusly have misstated the year as 5751.)

Anyhow it was indeed 5761 as stated, but the actual Hebrew letters were
taf shin *samekh* aleph, and not taf shin *nun* aleph as misstated!
Serves me right for typing too fast! Thanks, Udi!

Judith Romney Wegner

Bob,
In answer to your question, I've been to Ciechanow several times.
I'll be organizing a genealogy research group to Poland again this summer, and
Ciechanow is (at least for me) the key site on the itinerary. Some of the Jewsih
historic places still remain - but not many. The town is "Judenrein" today -
with one possible unconfirmed exception.
The town officials have always been very receptive and cooperative.
I'm in contact with the Jewish-Polish Friendship Society for the Mazowsze area
which is centered in Ciechanow.
There is at least one "acceptable" hotel in town.
There are some research opportunities in town which I'll be exploring
with some of the locals, and there is the likelihood of setting up some permanent
connections between descendants of Ciechanow (like us) and current residents.
You can rent a car in Warsaw or (recommended if you aren't fluent in
Polish) hire a car and driver/translator. As a group, we hire limousines or
mini-buses to accomodate all of the travellers and translators.
If you're interested in joining our trip, contact me personally.

MayersNYC@aol.com wrote:

I am following all of this with great interest. About 3 years ago I ordered
Ciechanow records through the Mormon Center in New York City. When they came,
I hired a Polish grad student >from Columbia University to accompany me and
help translate the Polish. We found several of my family records for the
1860's-1880's, but I saw nothing much earlier; so I would love to be able to
delve further.

Incidentally, I've been playing with the idea of visiting Ciechanow. Has
anyone been there in recent years. If so, is there anything left of interest
for us to see?
Many thanks,
Bob

--
Allan E. Mallenbaum
Plainview, LI, NY
<GenealogistA@nais.com>

_R_E_S_E_A_R_C_H_I_N_G_ <<<<<<<<<<

CZECH REPUBLIC
**Praha (Prague)**
LANDAU (Rabbi Yechezkiel)
LITHUANIA
**Jonava**
KAGAN (COHEN)
POLAND
**Ciechanow**
ROBOTA
TROM(B)KA
GARBARZ
SCHMIDT
BENDET
ABRAMS
GOLDSTEIN
ALT(H)US
DIAMENT
PASS
SILVERMAN
**Warszawa**
MALENBAUM
RUSSIA
**Moscow**
MALENBAUM
UKRAINE
**Chernigov**
NISENBAUM
(G)HECHTMAN
**Lezajsk**
ELIMELECH, Rabbi
**Uman**
LANDAU,
BRAILOVSKY

Bob,
In answer to your question, I've been to Ciechanow several times.
I'll be organizing a genealogy research group to Poland again this summer, and
Ciechanow is (at least for me) the key site on the itinerary. Some of the Jewsih
historic places still remain - but not many. The town is "Judenrein" today -
with one possible unconfirmed exception.
The town officials have always been very receptive and cooperative.
I'm in contact with the Jewish-Polish Friendship Society for the Mazowsze area
which is centered in Ciechanow.
There is at least one "acceptable" hotel in town.
There are some research opportunities in town which I'll be exploring
with some of the locals, and there is the likelihood of setting up some permanent
connections between descendants of Ciechanow (like us) and current residents.
You can rent a car in Warsaw or (recommended if you aren't fluent in
Polish) hire a car and driver/translator. As a group, we hire limousines or
mini-buses to accomodate all of the travellers and translators.
If you're interested in joining our trip, contact me personally.

MayersNYC@aol.com wrote:

I am following all of this with great interest. About 3 years ago I ordered
Ciechanow records through the Mormon Center in New York City. When they came,
I hired a Polish grad student >from Columbia University to accompany me and
help translate the Polish. We found several of my family records for the
1860's-1880's, but I saw nothing much earlier; so I would love to be able to
delve further.

Incidentally, I've been playing with the idea of visiting Ciechanow. Has
anyone been there in recent years. If so, is there anything left of interest
for us to see?
Many thanks,
Bob

--
Allan E. Mallenbaum
Plainview, LI, NY
<GenealogistA@nais.com>

_R_E_S_E_A_R_C_H_I_N_G_ <<<<<<<<<<

CZECH REPUBLIC
**Praha (Prague)**
LANDAU (Rabbi Yechezkiel)
LITHUANIA
**Jonava**
KAGAN (COHEN)
POLAND
**Ciechanow**
ROBOTA
TROM(B)KA
GARBARZ
SCHMIDT
BENDET
ABRAMS
GOLDSTEIN
ALT(H)US
DIAMENT
PASS
SILVERMAN
**Warszawa**
MALENBAUM
RUSSIA
**Moscow**
MALENBAUM
UKRAINE
**Chernigov**
NISENBAUM
(G)HECHTMAN
**Lezajsk**
ELIMELECH, Rabbi
**Uman**
LANDAU,
BRAILOVSKY