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Re: pre 1825 genealogy records for Ciechanow
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#poland
A Jendrzejewski <ajend@...>
In response to Amy's post:
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In Mary Chorzempa's book, Polish Roots, she mentions that Napoleon had instituted civil records in the Russian Partition in 1807 and that it was the Catholic parish priest of the region that kept the records [to 1826] . Records that old are most likely to be kept in the regional archives, in Ciechanow's case, in Plock, the addresses of which I got from Jonathan Shea's and William Hoffman's book, In Their Words, Vol. I: Archiwum Diecezjalne w Plocku ul. Abpa. A. J. Nowpsielskiego 2 09-400 Plock, Polska (Poland) or in the State Archives in Warsaw, which is where most non-Catholic records are by now kept: Naczelna Dyrekcja Archiwow Panistwowych ul. Dluga 6 skrytka pocztowa Nr 1005 00-950 Warsawa, Polska (Poland) Their web site address is: http://ciuw.warman.net.pl/alf/archiwa/ There is also a list of information on individual archives in English at this page: http://ciuw.warman.net.pl/alf/archiwa/mapa/index.eng .html The Shea/Hoffman book says that early in the 19th century many Jews still had no surname. Often the records would show patronymic names that eventually became surnames under pressure >from authorities for purposes of taxation, military service, etc. Regarding Jewish records specifically, the book mentions at the following places to write: The Jewish Historical Institute : Zydowski Instytut Historyczny ul. Tlomackie 3/5 00-090 Warsawa Polska (Poland) The following additional material was mentioned in Chorzempka's book: The Yidisher Visnshaftlekher Institut (Yiddish Scientific Institute): YIVO Institute for Jewish Research 1948 Fifth Avenue New York, New York 10028 (This is one of the world's greatest archive of East European Jewry.) Leo Baeck Institute 129 East 73rd Street New York, New York 10021 (Concentrates on German speaking Jews, including parts of Poland occupied by Germany and Austria.) And finally, Jewish National University Library Hebrew University Givat Ram Campus Jerusalem, Israel (This source has some birth and death registers, and some registers for a few dozen communities in the old Polish areas of Lithuania; some Russian records go back to at least the 18th century.) Andy Jendrzejewski
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From: "Amy L Sheldon" <asheldon@tc.umn.edu> To: "Ciechanow Research Group" <ciechanow@lyris.jewishgen.org> Cc: "Cheryl Lester" <chlester@falcon.cc.ukans.edu> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 7:51 PM Subject: pre 1825 genealogy records for Ciechanow This list is supported by JewishGen. Please showresources for developing our work on Ciechanow, has anyone researched pre1826 records? It looks tricky >from what Stan says about that:records. I believe that in the period before 1826 Jewishrecords were mixed in with these. "group, send your message to: <ciechanow@lyris.jewishgen.org>(ciechanow@lyris.jewishgen.org) is hosted by JewishGen: The Home of Jewish Genealogyhttp://www.jewishgen.org [ajend@vincennes.net] To unsubscribe send email to$subst('Email.Unsub')
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#Ciechanow #Poland Re: pre 1825 genealogy records for Ciechanow
#ciechanow
#poland
A Jendrzejewski <ajend@...>
In response to Amy's post:
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In Mary Chorzempa's book, Polish Roots, she mentions that Napoleon had instituted civil records in the Russian Partition in 1807 and that it was the Catholic parish priest of the region that kept the records [to 1826] . Records that old are most likely to be kept in the regional archives, in Ciechanow's case, in Plock, the addresses of which I got from Jonathan Shea's and William Hoffman's book, In Their Words, Vol. I: Archiwum Diecezjalne w Plocku ul. Abpa. A. J. Nowpsielskiego 2 09-400 Plock, Polska (Poland) or in the State Archives in Warsaw, which is where most non-Catholic records are by now kept: Naczelna Dyrekcja Archiwow Panistwowych ul. Dluga 6 skrytka pocztowa Nr 1005 00-950 Warsawa, Polska (Poland) Their web site address is: http://ciuw.warman.net.pl/alf/archiwa/ There is also a list of information on individual archives in English at this page: http://ciuw.warman.net.pl/alf/archiwa/mapa/index.eng .html The Shea/Hoffman book says that early in the 19th century many Jews still had no surname. Often the records would show patronymic names that eventually became surnames under pressure >from authorities for purposes of taxation, military service, etc. Regarding Jewish records specifically, the book mentions at the following places to write: The Jewish Historical Institute : Zydowski Instytut Historyczny ul. Tlomackie 3/5 00-090 Warsawa Polska (Poland) The following additional material was mentioned in Chorzempka's book: The Yidisher Visnshaftlekher Institut (Yiddish Scientific Institute): YIVO Institute for Jewish Research 1948 Fifth Avenue New York, New York 10028 (This is one of the world's greatest archive of East European Jewry.) Leo Baeck Institute 129 East 73rd Street New York, New York 10021 (Concentrates on German speaking Jews, including parts of Poland occupied by Germany and Austria.) And finally, Jewish National University Library Hebrew University Givat Ram Campus Jerusalem, Israel (This source has some birth and death registers, and some registers for a few dozen communities in the old Polish areas of Lithuania; some Russian records go back to at least the 18th century.) Andy Jendrzejewski
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From: "Amy L Sheldon" <asheldon@tc.umn.edu> To: "Ciechanow Research Group" <ciechanow@lyris.jewishgen.org> Cc: "Cheryl Lester" <chlester@falcon.cc.ukans.edu> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 7:51 PM Subject: pre 1825 genealogy records for Ciechanow This list is supported by JewishGen. Please showresources for developing our work on Ciechanow, has anyone researched pre1826 records? It looks tricky >from what Stan says about that:records. I believe that in the period before 1826 Jewishrecords were mixed in with these. "group, send your message to: <ciechanow@lyris.jewishgen.org>(ciechanow@lyris.jewishgen.org) is hosted by JewishGen: The Home of Jewish Genealogyhttp://www.jewishgen.org [ajend@vincennes.net] To unsubscribe send email to$subst('Email.Unsub')
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Re: Father's mid name/son's first?
#general
Judith Romney Wegner
This particular naming pattern was almost universal among Dutch Ashkenazim.>Harold Rabbie Dear Harold, Thank you for that useful information, which helped me a lot by invcidentally explains why my gg gm Juliet (born in Holland around 1800) was named as Juliet Hymans on the birth certificates of her three youngest children (born in London after 1837 and listed in the English registers) but as Juliet Collins in Australian marriage and death certificates relating to several of her children who emigrated Down Under in the mid-19th century. Your comments were particularly helpful in clarifying that Hymans (i.e. Chaim) would have been her patronymic (i.e. based on her father's given name rather than her father's surname). This tells me that if I want to track down her father, instead of looking for a Dutch Jew named Somebody Hymans, I should be looking for a Dutch Jew named Chaim or Hyman "Collins" -- though probably with some other spelling of Chaim and some other spelling of Collins, but at least it's a start. Thank you again. Judith Romney Wegner
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Re: observation while walking in a Jewish cemetery
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Jane Vogel-Kohai & Ofer Kohai <vogelko@...>
I was always under the impression that the significance of the rocks, is
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that we should also remember the collective tragedy of the destruction of the Temple, but I don't know if there is anything to this. My brother-in-law the rabbi said the significance of rocks, is the concept of ">from dust you have come, to dust you shall return". I have heard of people being buried with a handful of earth >from the Holy Land, in lieu of being buried in Israel, which Jews throughout the ages have longed for - to be buried in Israel. Jane Vogel-Kohai Jerusalem Israel
At 20:22 02/11/00 +0100, George Hall wrote:
My name is George Hall. My office is located directly across >from a rather
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Re: Female name: Gisha
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Norman H. Carp-Gordon <zerakodesh@...>
The Yiddish form, Gesha, (Russian: Gesya) was found in my sub-clan, the
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GORDONs of Dunilovichi, Vileika Uyezd, Vilna Guberniya (18th-19th century). On Fri, 03 Nov 2000 15:28:19 +0200 "Prof. G. L. Esterson" <jerry@vms.huji.ac.il> writes:
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Father's mid name/son's first?
#general
Judith Romney Wegner
This particular naming pattern was almost universal among Dutch Ashkenazim.>Harold Rabbie Dear Harold, Thank you for that useful information, which helped me a lot by invcidentally explains why my gg gm Juliet (born in Holland around 1800) was named as Juliet Hymans on the birth certificates of her three youngest children (born in London after 1837 and listed in the English registers) but as Juliet Collins in Australian marriage and death certificates relating to several of her children who emigrated Down Under in the mid-19th century. Your comments were particularly helpful in clarifying that Hymans (i.e. Chaim) would have been her patronymic (i.e. based on her father's given name rather than her father's surname). This tells me that if I want to track down her father, instead of looking for a Dutch Jew named Somebody Hymans, I should be looking for a Dutch Jew named Chaim or Hyman "Collins" -- though probably with some other spelling of Chaim and some other spelling of Collins, but at least it's a start. Thank you again. Judith Romney Wegner
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: observation while walking in a Jewish cemetery
#general
Jane Vogel-Kohai & Ofer Kohai <vogelko@...>
I was always under the impression that the significance of the rocks, is
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
that we should also remember the collective tragedy of the destruction of the Temple, but I don't know if there is anything to this. My brother-in-law the rabbi said the significance of rocks, is the concept of ">from dust you have come, to dust you shall return". I have heard of people being buried with a handful of earth >from the Holy Land, in lieu of being buried in Israel, which Jews throughout the ages have longed for - to be buried in Israel. Jane Vogel-Kohai Jerusalem Israel
At 20:22 02/11/00 +0100, George Hall wrote:
My name is George Hall. My office is located directly across >from a rather
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Female name: Gisha
#general
Norman H. Carp-Gordon <zerakodesh@...>
The Yiddish form, Gesha, (Russian: Gesya) was found in my sub-clan, the
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GORDONs of Dunilovichi, Vileika Uyezd, Vilna Guberniya (18th-19th century). On Fri, 03 Nov 2000 15:28:19 +0200 "Prof. G. L. Esterson" <jerry@vms.huji.ac.il> writes:
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Slovakian Towns - Help!
#hungary
Marian Brown
Does anyone know what these two town in Zemplin County, 1828 & 1836,
could be? Ma'd (apostrophe is the accent mark) -- possibly Ma'al Karoly falva Thank you, Marian Brown Cincinnati, Ohio
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Slovakian Towns - Help!
#hungary
Marian Brown
Does anyone know what these two town in Zemplin County, 1828 & 1836,
could be? Ma'd (apostrophe is the accent mark) -- possibly Ma'al Karoly falva Thank you, Marian Brown Cincinnati, Ohio
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Why
#hungary
Szombat <szombat@...>
Could enybody tell me why my e-mails to H-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org
do not make through? Peter Winter mod. - they are coming through now!LS Check this out: Jewish cemeteries in Hungary http://www.geocities.com/winter_peter_4
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Why
#hungary
Szombat <szombat@...>
Could enybody tell me why my e-mails to H-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org
do not make through? Peter Winter mod. - they are coming through now!LS Check this out: Jewish cemeteries in Hungary http://www.geocities.com/winter_peter_4
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Cece (Tzetze)
#hungary
Szombat <szombat@...>
Hear h-siggers,
I wish to notify you, that the first set of the Cece's Jewish cemetery is uploaded now, and ready for examining. The rest will appear as I will have the possibility to make a trip again. (Perhaps in the second half of Nov.) Some of the names: Braun Grunwadl Fisher Lipmann Miller/Mu:ller Reich Segal Stauber Best wishes, Shabat Shalom Peter Winter Check this out: Jewish cemeteries in Hungary http://www.geocities.com/winter_peter_4
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Dombrad
#hungary
Szombat <szombat@...>
Dear H-siggers!
I'm back now >from a longer photo-trip. I wish to ask all of you, interested in Dombrad to contact me privately for sending you the translation of certain matzevots. Family names: Berger Burger Danziger Fettmann Fo:ldes Fried Friedmann Goldmann Grosmann Halévi Herskovits Kornfeld Kron Nebel Reiz Rosenbaum Salamon Schlanger Schwartz Simkovits Szegal Weiss Zukermann Thank you, Winter Peter Check this out: Jewish cemeteries in Hungary http://www.geocities.com/winter_peter_4
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Cece
#hungary
Szombat <szombat@...>
Dear h-siggers,
I wish to notify you, that the first set of the Cece's Jewish cemetery is uploaded now, and ready for examining. The rest will appear as I will have the possibility to make a trip again. (Perhaps in the second half of Nov.) Some of the names: Braun Grunwadl Fisher Lipmann Miller/Mu:ller Reich Segal Stauber http://www.geocities.com/winter_peter_4/cemeteries.html Best wishes, Shabat Shalom Peter Winter Check this out: Jewish cemeteries in Hungary http://www.geocities.com/winter_peter_4 Check this out: Jewish cemeteries in Hungary http://www.geocities.com/winter_peter_4
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Cece (Tzetze)
#hungary
Szombat <szombat@...>
Hear h-siggers,
I wish to notify you, that the first set of the Cece's Jewish cemetery is uploaded now, and ready for examining. The rest will appear as I will have the possibility to make a trip again. (Perhaps in the second half of Nov.) Some of the names: Braun Grunwadl Fisher Lipmann Miller/Mu:ller Reich Segal Stauber Best wishes, Shabat Shalom Peter Winter Check this out: Jewish cemeteries in Hungary http://www.geocities.com/winter_peter_4
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Dombrad
#hungary
Szombat <szombat@...>
Dear H-siggers!
I'm back now >from a longer photo-trip. I wish to ask all of you, interested in Dombrad to contact me privately for sending you the translation of certain matzevots. Family names: Berger Burger Danziger Fettmann Fo:ldes Fried Friedmann Goldmann Grosmann Halévi Herskovits Kornfeld Kron Nebel Reiz Rosenbaum Salamon Schlanger Schwartz Simkovits Szegal Weiss Zukermann Thank you, Winter Peter Check this out: Jewish cemeteries in Hungary http://www.geocities.com/winter_peter_4
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Cece
#hungary
Szombat <szombat@...>
Dear h-siggers,
I wish to notify you, that the first set of the Cece's Jewish cemetery is uploaded now, and ready for examining. The rest will appear as I will have the possibility to make a trip again. (Perhaps in the second half of Nov.) Some of the names: Braun Grunwadl Fisher Lipmann Miller/Mu:ller Reich Segal Stauber http://www.geocities.com/winter_peter_4/cemeteries.html Best wishes, Shabat Shalom Peter Winter Check this out: Jewish cemeteries in Hungary http://www.geocities.com/winter_peter_4 Check this out: Jewish cemeteries in Hungary http://www.geocities.com/winter_peter_4
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Zakany
#hungary
Szombat <szombat@...>
Dear H-siggers,
I kindly ask all of you, who are interested in Zakany's Jewish cemetery, or those of you, who knows somebody with no Internet (e-mail) connection, but had any relation to this South Hungarian willage, to contact me for the cemetery restoration. The restoration involves deeply the local government. There are 27 matzevots. I didn't made photos yet, so I can't tell you names, but I will try to do it in a month tenure. Thank you. Winter Peter Check this out: Jewish cemeteries in Hungary http://www.geocities.com/winter_peter_4
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Zakany
#hungary
Szombat <szombat@...>
Dear H-siggers,
I kindly ask all of you, who are interested in Zakany's Jewish cemetery, or those of you, who knows somebody with no Internet (e-mail) connection, but had any relation to this South Hungarian willage, to contact me for the cemetery restoration. The restoration involves deeply the local government. There are 27 matzevots. I didn't made photos yet, so I can't tell you names, but I will try to do it in a month tenure. Thank you. Winter Peter Check this out: Jewish cemeteries in Hungary http://www.geocities.com/winter_peter_4
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