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Death Cert - Morris HENKIN #general

Hilary Henkin <hilary@...>
 

I've received a death certificate for the following person.
If he's your family, let me know, and I'll send you a copy.

Morris HENKIN, born April 1878 in Minsk
Parents Israel Henkin and Eva ?, both born in Minsk
Wife: Freda Henkin
Died May 18, 1946 in Los Angeles, California
Informant: Abraham Henkin

Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia


Re: Ethics - genealogy research #general

robert.gleek <robert.gleek@...>
 

All,
I would argue that to make sure a sweeping statement is a complete
over-generalisation.
Daniel Gleek

Not all Jews who came to Britain before 1880 were Sephardim or were from
western Europe (Germany and Holland especially). There were some E
European Jews in Britain in the 18th century and quite a number came in
the 19th century, before the mass numbers >from about 1880. Bill Williams
in his history of the Manchester community shows this quite clearly.

She is right to say that because of the very large numbers who went to
America after 1880 the position in the USA is different >from Britain.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Death Cert - Morris HENKIN #general

Hilary Henkin <hilary@...>
 

I've received a death certificate for the following person.
If he's your family, let me know, and I'll send you a copy.

Morris HENKIN, born April 1878 in Minsk
Parents Israel Henkin and Eva ?, both born in Minsk
Wife: Freda Henkin
Died May 18, 1946 in Los Angeles, California
Informant: Abraham Henkin

Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Ethics - genealogy research #general

robert.gleek <robert.gleek@...>
 

All,
I would argue that to make sure a sweeping statement is a complete
over-generalisation.
Daniel Gleek

Not all Jews who came to Britain before 1880 were Sephardim or were from
western Europe (Germany and Holland especially). There were some E
European Jews in Britain in the 18th century and quite a number came in
the 19th century, before the mass numbers >from about 1880. Bill Williams
in his history of the Manchester community shows this quite clearly.

She is right to say that because of the very large numbers who went to
America after 1880 the position in the USA is different >from Britain.


Re: Norfolk Birth Information #lithuania

R. Barry Spinak, M.D. <rspinak@...>
 

Robert Fleischman wrote:
Can anyone tell me where to write in Virginia for birth records?
Go to http://www.vdh.state.va.us/misc/faq.htm for pertinent information.
A good place to start looking for state and local information sources for
anywhere in the U.S. is at http://lcweb.loc.gov/global/state/stategov.html.
This is a Library of Congress service. Scroll down the page to find a linkfor a specific state.

Lachaim,
Barry Spinak
Salisbury, MD, USA
Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater Washington
http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/s/p/i/Richard-B-Spinak/

Searching ... in Kovno Guberniya shtetls of Kraziai, Luoke, Plunge,
Tryskiai, Uzventis: FAYVUSH, FINKELSTEIN, GELIK, GELIL, GELIN, GERSH,
GIBER, HEILIG, HEILLIG, IOZEF, KALMAN, KAPLAN, KIL, MARKUS, NOKHUM,
RABINOWITZ, RAVID, RUBIN, SHAPIR, SHER, YAKUB, ZAMULIAN, ZIV
... >from Pogrebishche in Kiev Guberniya: KOTOVSKY
... >from Austria-Hungary: GREEN, GRUEN, KLEINMAN, ROSENBERG
... >from Bohemia: LEDERER, STEINER
...>from Warsawa: GOLDBERG, GOLDBRANDT, KATCHER, ROSENSWEIG, SPINAK
... and any Jewish families that ever lived in Pocomoke City, MD.


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania RE: Norfolk Birth Information #lithuania

R. Barry Spinak, M.D. <rspinak@...>
 

Robert Fleischman wrote:
Can anyone tell me where to write in Virginia for birth records?
Go to http://www.vdh.state.va.us/misc/faq.htm for pertinent information.
A good place to start looking for state and local information sources for
anywhere in the U.S. is at http://lcweb.loc.gov/global/state/stategov.html.
This is a Library of Congress service. Scroll down the page to find a linkfor a specific state.

Lachaim,
Barry Spinak
Salisbury, MD, USA
Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater Washington
http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/s/p/i/Richard-B-Spinak/

Searching ... in Kovno Guberniya shtetls of Kraziai, Luoke, Plunge,
Tryskiai, Uzventis: FAYVUSH, FINKELSTEIN, GELIK, GELIL, GELIN, GERSH,
GIBER, HEILIG, HEILLIG, IOZEF, KALMAN, KAPLAN, KIL, MARKUS, NOKHUM,
RABINOWITZ, RAVID, RUBIN, SHAPIR, SHER, YAKUB, ZAMULIAN, ZIV
... >from Pogrebishche in Kiev Guberniya: KOTOVSKY
... >from Austria-Hungary: GREEN, GRUEN, KLEINMAN, ROSENBERG
... >from Bohemia: LEDERER, STEINER
...>from Warsawa: GOLDBERG, GOLDBRANDT, KATCHER, ROSENSWEIG, SPINAK
... and any Jewish families that ever lived in Pocomoke City, MD.


Gravestone inscriptions #lithuania

Stanley Gilinsky <Gilinsky@...>
 

On a gravestone I am researching it said 'Deeply mourned by her sorrowing
parents, brother and sisters'. At the time the stone was erected the
deceased had one brother aged 13, and 2 under 13, and 2 sisters under 12,
and one sister over 12. Was it the custom of Litvaks not to regard pre
barmitzvah boys as mourners, and for this to be the reason for the using the singular. If so, why was sisters in the plural.

My second question concerns Hebrew names. On the stone of my great
grandfather it says Yehuda Avigdor Ben Avraham. His name was Leibish,
becoming Lewis when he came to England. There seems to be no connection
between Leibish and the Hebrew name. Is this usual.

Stanley Gilinsky researching GILINSKY in all spelling variations - Garbun,
Paluse, Ignalina. COMER, KOMAR, KINSLER - Moscow, Warsaw.

Stanley Gilinsky


Gilinsky@bigfoot.com http://www.bigfoot.com/~Gilinsky


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Re: Norfolk Birth Information #lithuania

JFIBEL@...
 

Dear Robert,

Birth records for that year should be available at:

Division of Vital Records and Health Statistics
State Department of Health
James Madison Building
P. O. Box 1000
Richmond, VA 2320b

Joe Fibel
New Rochelle, NY


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Gravestone inscriptions #lithuania

Stanley Gilinsky <Gilinsky@...>
 

On a gravestone I am researching it said 'Deeply mourned by her sorrowing
parents, brother and sisters'. At the time the stone was erected the
deceased had one brother aged 13, and 2 under 13, and 2 sisters under 12,
and one sister over 12. Was it the custom of Litvaks not to regard pre
barmitzvah boys as mourners, and for this to be the reason for the using the singular. If so, why was sisters in the plural.

My second question concerns Hebrew names. On the stone of my great
grandfather it says Yehuda Avigdor Ben Avraham. His name was Leibish,
becoming Lewis when he came to England. There seems to be no connection
between Leibish and the Hebrew name. Is this usual.

Stanley Gilinsky researching GILINSKY in all spelling variations - Garbun,
Paluse, Ignalina. COMER, KOMAR, KINSLER - Moscow, Warsaw.

Stanley Gilinsky


Gilinsky@bigfoot.com http://www.bigfoot.com/~Gilinsky


MODERATOR'S NOTE: You can find many previous discussions of name combinations that may provide some answers to your second question on the JewishGen Discussion Group Archives, under databases on the JewishGen homepage <http://www.jewishgen.org>


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: Norfolk Birth Information #lithuania

JFIBEL@...
 

Dear Robert,

Birth records for that year should be available at:

Division of Vital Records and Health Statistics
State Department of Health
James Madison Building
P. O. Box 1000
Richmond, VA 2320b

Joe Fibel
New Rochelle, NY


Re: Expulsion of Jews from Riga #lithuania

Msinger23@...
 

If he has not done so already, Mr. Weiss should explore the Latviasig and
Courland discussion groups and sites (and, particularly, their related
searchable databases). There is much there about the vagaries of living in
Courland without lawful permit. I found my KLEINMAN(N) forebears on various
"without permit" lists compiled throughout the 19th century, and my
gg-grandfather, Abraham Kleinman, on an "of conscription age" list ca. 1885. I'm sure these combined statuses encouraged his prompt emigration to England and, finally, the U.S.

Matt Singer
Philadelphia


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: Expulsion of Jews from Riga #lithuania

Msinger23@...
 

If he has not done so already, Mr. Weiss should explore the Latviasig and
Courland discussion groups and sites (and, particularly, their related
searchable databases). There is much there about the vagaries of living in
Courland without lawful permit. I found my KLEINMAN(N) forebears on various
"without permit" lists compiled throughout the 19th century, and my
gg-grandfather, Abraham Kleinman, on an "of conscription age" list ca. 1885. I'm sure these combined statuses encouraged his prompt emigration to England and, finally, the U.S.

Matt Singer
Philadelphia


Jews Expelled from Riga #lithuania

Carol Baker <carolcbaker@...>
 

In response to Steven Weiss' account of his grandmother's memoir, this
is the explanation >from the Kaunas Archives that accompanied that list:

"Heads of Households of these Kaunas gubernia Jewish families were
legally adopted by Riga Jewish families (I do not know what the
procedure was - in court, or a rabbi registered it?)and, as adopted
sons, were registered as belonging to Riga Jewish community with all
their families.

"When it was found out (because of the complaints some other Riga Jews
wrote - there always is somebody writing complaints), police
investigated the matter and the case even reached the Senate
of Russia (at that time this was the Highest court), which finally
decided that adopted sons did not have the right to become
members of Riga Jewish community automatically. Adoption had to be
cancelled and they had to return to their previous places of residence
in Kaunas gub."

This list has been sent to contributors to any of the uyezd research
groups in Kaunas gubernia. Eventually (about 6 months) it will be
included in the All Lithuania Database. If you would like a sneak
preview, all you have to do is send $100 to any of the research groups
listed below. I have also listed the coordinators for each. Please
contact them with any questions.

Kaunas - Davida Handler DNHIowa@aol.com
Panevezys - Michael Witkin michael@witkin.org
Raseiniai - David Hoffman DBH12345@aol.com
Siauliai - Carol Baker carolcbaker@mediaone.net
Telsiai - Deena Berton dberton@mediaone.net
Ukmerge - Richard Winer rawiner@mediaone.net
Zarasai - Saul Adelman ADELMANS@adelvx.citadel.edu

Carol Coplin Baker
Research Groups Coordinator
carolcbaker@mediaone.net
WEGER, LIPSCHITZ - Vegeriai and Siauliai, Lithuania & Johannesburg
GREENBLATT - Vegeriai, Lithuania
TVERIA/TUORREA- Gargzdai and Raseiniai, Lithuania


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Jews Expelled from Riga #lithuania

Carol Baker <carolcbaker@...>
 

In response to Steven Weiss' account of his grandmother's memoir, this
is the explanation >from the Kaunas Archives that accompanied that list:

"Heads of Households of these Kaunas gubernia Jewish families were
legally adopted by Riga Jewish families (I do not know what the
procedure was - in court, or a rabbi registered it?)and, as adopted
sons, were registered as belonging to Riga Jewish community with all
their families.

"When it was found out (because of the complaints some other Riga Jews
wrote - there always is somebody writing complaints), police
investigated the matter and the case even reached the Senate
of Russia (at that time this was the Highest court), which finally
decided that adopted sons did not have the right to become
members of Riga Jewish community automatically. Adoption had to be
cancelled and they had to return to their previous places of residence
in Kaunas gub."

This list has been sent to contributors to any of the uyezd research
groups in Kaunas gubernia. Eventually (about 6 months) it will be
included in the All Lithuania Database. If you would like a sneak
preview, all you have to do is send $100 to any of the research groups
listed below. I have also listed the coordinators for each. Please
contact them with any questions.

Kaunas - Davida Handler DNHIowa@aol.com
Panevezys - Michael Witkin michael@witkin.org
Raseiniai - David Hoffman DBH12345@aol.com
Siauliai - Carol Baker carolcbaker@mediaone.net
Telsiai - Deena Berton dberton@mediaone.net
Ukmerge - Richard Winer rawiner@mediaone.net
Zarasai - Saul Adelman ADELMANS@adelvx.citadel.edu

Carol Coplin Baker
Research Groups Coordinator
carolcbaker@mediaone.net
WEGER, LIPSCHITZ - Vegeriai and Siauliai, Lithuania & Johannesburg
GREENBLATT - Vegeriai, Lithuania
TVERIA/TUORREA- Gargzdai and Raseiniai, Lithuania


FRAIND from Sieradz, 1823 #general

Robert Heyman <robeh@...>
 

I have just discovered that my gggg-grandmother had a surname, FRAIND.
This was found in a marriage certificate >from Sieradz, in 1823. There are
no Jewish records for Sieradz for 1826 and after. >from what I can tell from
the early records, there were very few Jews, and they made up less than
10% of the population in the early 1820s, so I am hoping maybe they were
registered elsewhere. Nearby towns with records include Zdunska Wola
and Warta, and the nearest really big cities were Kalisz and Lodz, both
a little over 30 miles away. Is anyone familiar with the name, or seen the
town Sieradz in their own research? My gggg-grandmother's name was
Sara, and her parents were Manel and Liwsia. I have found evidence of
younger sisters Ruchl and Rose, and haven't found evidence of brothers
yet.

Robert Heyman
robeh@iprimus.com.au
Canberra, Australia
http://home.iprimus.com.au/robeh


Adoption and their Children #general

David Frey <dfrey@...>
 

For the most part in doing genealogy, adopted children are added to the
family tree with a notation that they were adopted but since the blood
line does not continue, their descendants are not added to the tree.

As an adopted child I am entitled to do any of things that a natural
child can do, by law. In NYS for example, I inherit automatically if
there are no other claimants. I could go on but that is not the point.

Once I have been adopted, my children and mine by natural right as do
there children and theirs, etc.

It may be important to note an adoption, especially as in my case
where the original family was found and my half brothers and I are
close and I e-mail my nieces & nephews regularly.

Never the less my two natural sons fit on the tree with out any
special marking because they are my blood line despite their Mother's
occasional comments to the contrary.

The purpose of any family is to trace out as far as possible the
connections that bind us together as a "family"

I too find it counterproductive to follow the suggestion above, but
more than that I find it insulting as it implies that my two natural
sons do not belong in our family tree because of something that
happened before they were born and for which they bare no
responsibility.

Geneology's primary purpose is to bring people together, usually
resulting in great happiness. It is not in my view a way of
eliminating people >from families, causing at best some little pain
and at worst enough pain and anger to break apart a family.

We all suffer enough pain with out adding more that is both
unnecessary and judgmental.

David Frey
dfrey@bigpond.net.au


--
David Frey
Researching Beshincovichi, (Gildinsohn,, Steinhart)
K'lemnick,(Rabbi Avram Israel Gildinsohn, Gilden)
Dryhobitch (Frey), and
Ireland & Canada & USA (William Walsh) (Yes I know!)
Warsaw (Kaufman, Braf)


Anyone from Pensacola Florida on this list? #general

David Lewin <davidlewin@...>
 

Is there a reader on the list who lives close to Pensacola Florida ?

I need an Obituary look up if you can help.

Please contact me privately

Thank you

David Lewin
London


Searching for ROTHFIELD #general

Pam Rothfield <twin2@...>
 

Am seaching for Rothfields. Specifically Jacob ROTHFIELD b. c1890 - d.1949
married Rose Levinson who was born Edinburgh.
I believe Jacobs parents may have been Russian and Austrian, and quite
probably the name may have been 'Rotfeld' - however this is just a guess.

Jacob moved to Israel and family history has it that he started a
kindergarten there. He died in Israel and he is supposedly buried in Mt.
Carmel.
Anyone else searching for this family?
Pam Rothfield
Melbourne


Re: Gray's Drug Store, NYC #general

cpspier <cpspier@...>
 

Gray's Drug Store had a large ticket brokering agency during the 1930's and
40's -- instead of walaking >from theater to theater to see what was
available today, one just went to Gray's -- on the East side of Broadway,
about 43rd Street. If the show was doing well, one paid full price; if it
had lots of empty seats there were bargains. The agency was, if I remember,
in the basement.

Paula Spier
Brewster, MA

My favorite uncle, Sam ZEIDMAN, worked for many years (1920 something to
1930 something) at Gray's Drug store in Manhattan. The couple of older
relatives I've asked say that Gray's Drug's was well known at the time,
but haven't been able to give me any details.

Has anyone heard of this drug store and what was it known for?


Vantine (Perfume) Company #general

Moonquilt@...
 

Looking for any info on the Vantine Company in New York City,
probably 1930 or later. Owned by Jack Poses and Herman Perry -
both nee PESETZKY.

Robin Lawrence Poses

searching ***PESETZKY, MOLOSHOK, DINKEN, SADOWSKY***