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Re: the Hebrew name for Ida #general

Myra S. Davis <myrabokpg@...>
 

I want to thank all those who wrote to me and helped me figure out what
my aunt's Hebrew name must have been. What was wrong was my pronouncing
the CH like chicklets or children instead of the gutteral Ch like in
Challa. When you do that it makes more sense. Probably my cousin, her
son, misspelled it also.
Again thanks for all the responses.

Myra Davis, Tucson, AZ
myrabokpg@juno.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: the Hebrew name for Ida #general

Myra S. Davis <myrabokpg@...>
 

I want to thank all those who wrote to me and helped me figure out what
my aunt's Hebrew name must have been. What was wrong was my pronouncing
the CH like chicklets or children instead of the gutteral Ch like in
Challa. When you do that it makes more sense. Probably my cousin, her
son, misspelled it also.
Again thanks for all the responses.

Myra Davis, Tucson, AZ
myrabokpg@juno.com


Re: CA Death index vs. Social Security Death Index? #general

Stan Goodman <sheol@...>
 

arieders@bellsouth.net (Alice Rieders) wrote:

Lthorpe883@aol.com wrote:

Today I found a relative in the California Death Index.
I then checked the on-line Social Security Death Index, and he did not
appear.
The CA Death Records Index covers the period 1940-1997.
The SSDI includes few deaths prior to 1965.
Did your relative die between 1940 and 1965?
Besides one's death, there is another thing that has to happen in
order to get one into the Social Security Death Index: Somebody has to
notify the Social Security Administration and to make a claim for
survivors benefits. No claim, no listing. That, anyway, is what it
says on the SSDI website. And if that is true, then it isn't actually
a death index, but a claims index. In other words, one can't expect to
find in the SSDI persons who did not leave beneficiaries behind, or
those e.g. so estranged >from their families that their death was not
known to the potential beneficiaries, or those whose beneficiaries
failed for any reason to file the required claim.

Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, ROKITA: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better):
http://www.hashkedim.com

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: CA Death index vs. Social Security Death Index? #general

Stan Goodman <sheol@...>
 

arieders@bellsouth.net (Alice Rieders) wrote:

Lthorpe883@aol.com wrote:

Today I found a relative in the California Death Index.
I then checked the on-line Social Security Death Index, and he did not
appear.
The CA Death Records Index covers the period 1940-1997.
The SSDI includes few deaths prior to 1965.
Did your relative die between 1940 and 1965?
Besides one's death, there is another thing that has to happen in
order to get one into the Social Security Death Index: Somebody has to
notify the Social Security Administration and to make a claim for
survivors benefits. No claim, no listing. That, anyway, is what it
says on the SSDI website. And if that is true, then it isn't actually
a death index, but a claims index. In other words, one can't expect to
find in the SSDI persons who did not leave beneficiaries behind, or
those e.g. so estranged >from their families that their death was not
known to the potential beneficiaries, or those whose beneficiaries
failed for any reason to file the required claim.

Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, ROKITA: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better):
http://www.hashkedim.com

PLEASE NOTE: Messages to the "From:" or "Reply to:" address of this
posting will NOT reach me, but will be deleted automatically unread.
Replace "sheol" with "stan". Please send plain text only.


Fisel BERCOVICI Headstone Photo - ViewMate #general

Shel Bercovich <sbercovich@...>
 

This (admittedly small photo) is now available on the
< http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ > site as item # VM061. Will
re-scan it if anyone needs any more detail.

Shel

Searching: BERCOVICI, GOLDENBERG, MOSCOVICI - Dorohoi, Iasi &
Stefanesti, Romania
KLEBANOV (various spellings), LIPKIND - Minsk Gubernia; NYC
HECHTER (ECHSER), ZWANG - Tulchin & Botha, Ukraine; Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Fisel BERCOVICI Headstone Photo - ViewMate #general

Shel Bercovich <sbercovich@...>
 

This (admittedly small photo) is now available on the
< http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ > site as item # VM061. Will
re-scan it if anyone needs any more detail.

Shel

Searching: BERCOVICI, GOLDENBERG, MOSCOVICI - Dorohoi, Iasi &
Stefanesti, Romania
KLEBANOV (various spellings), LIPKIND - Minsk Gubernia; NYC
HECHTER (ECHSER), ZWANG - Tulchin & Botha, Ukraine; Israel


Re: Copyright Laws #general

Barbara Harris <maybug@...>
 

I'm sure Stan is right, but I would check with a lawyer about whatever
advice any of us gives you - including me. Your description suggests
someone who's behavior may not be rational.

I have a few suggestions for you to look into. Many of us neglect to
source our info >from the very beginning. Your case may be a caution to do
it. Many family historians spend much time, energy, money on our work, so
we should protect our data by documenting it and give it the authority it
deserves.

First, My belief is that everyone doing family research should, malicious
relatives apart document sources: keep a record of how you found out what
you know in such a way that someone else could find the same information if
they followed your trail -- like marking trees in the forest so others can
find you. It is this documentation that validates and legitimizes your
work and gives you your authority to pronounce the (probable) wheres,
whens, etc. of your family history. If you have the documentation and your
relative doesn't that will support your position. This may become
increasingly key if you turn up information other family members prefer to
forget or deny. (We've seen numerous instances noted on this forum.)

Take a historian's stance: document in detail *how* you learned everything
you learn. The standard is that anyone should be able to go to your
sources to find the same materials (excepting perhaps private papers such
as letters, photographs, diaries that remain in private hands). Generous
cousin gave me much family information. In the event I were to publish my
researches, I would list them as a general resources (and in some cases as
the source)as even my extensions to this work would have been immeasurably
more difficult without it. Where they supplied documents to me I would say
so, and also cite the archival repository. As I accumulate documents I
find some of the data >from these family sources may be inaccurate; in these
cases I would use my own information and merely cite my documentary source.


If it's an interview: who told you, when, where, by phone, in person, and
how reliable is your informant (the relationship of the informant to the
data: was he present at the event, is it someone with failing memory or
someone passing on what others, etc. told him - you get the picture). If
you have the information out of your personal memory of people and events,
document that also and rate yourself on your certainty.

When information comes >from documents (vital statistics, wills, deeds,
naturalization papers, city directories, ships' records, etc) then indicate
the repository where the document is located, the book or microfilm roll#
containing the information, etc. In addition, when possible, get the
documents.

These are all things that you may have been doing all along, if not go back
and fill in the blanks. To publish your material - even if only to
distribute among family members - this documentation should be there
anyway. A good genealogy program it will help keep records straight,
generate reports, and do footnotes and bibliography. Be sure it allows
thorough source data.

Documentary evidence is the strongest defense (both epistemologically as
well as legally). Try to have the document in your possession; note where
you got it. For notes on some microfilm or book, etc., have a record of
the source (i.e., The title of the book, it's author, the publisher and
date; photograph of a gravestone at x cemetery, National Archives, 1900 US
Census for Pennsylvania, microfilm #0000 contains ggf Isaac's
naturalization papers on which he states he came >from shetl x, Poland,
listed his wife's date of birth, etc.). There are books out there (Mills,
Landry, etc.) that will give you an idea of exactly what constitutes proper
documentation for different sorts of source materials.

In addition - and check this out legally, don't rely on my say so - it is
my understanding with all intellectual property including photographs,
paintings, videos, as well as writings, that you can use the copyright mark
with your name and the date (┬ęBarbara Harris, 2000) whenever you make these
public. If true, then you needn't apply to the Copyright Office to protect
yourself while in the process of collecting your materials before
publication. I'm told, perhaps erroneously, that you can mail a copy of
the work at issue to yourself and keep it with its postmark unopened as
evidence.

Intellectual honesty, common decency, and fairness should guide us all in
giving due credit to the work of others; lawyers and copyright laws are
there for the exceptions. Respect for our "readers" and a desire to
authenticate our work should lead us all to document our research. I doubt
your cousin could prevail against you, but document everything you've done
and do in the future -- and check with a lawyer.

Barbara Harris


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Copyright Laws #general

Barbara Harris <maybug@...>
 

I'm sure Stan is right, but I would check with a lawyer about whatever
advice any of us gives you - including me. Your description suggests
someone who's behavior may not be rational.

I have a few suggestions for you to look into. Many of us neglect to
source our info >from the very beginning. Your case may be a caution to do
it. Many family historians spend much time, energy, money on our work, so
we should protect our data by documenting it and give it the authority it
deserves.

First, My belief is that everyone doing family research should, malicious
relatives apart document sources: keep a record of how you found out what
you know in such a way that someone else could find the same information if
they followed your trail -- like marking trees in the forest so others can
find you. It is this documentation that validates and legitimizes your
work and gives you your authority to pronounce the (probable) wheres,
whens, etc. of your family history. If you have the documentation and your
relative doesn't that will support your position. This may become
increasingly key if you turn up information other family members prefer to
forget or deny. (We've seen numerous instances noted on this forum.)

Take a historian's stance: document in detail *how* you learned everything
you learn. The standard is that anyone should be able to go to your
sources to find the same materials (excepting perhaps private papers such
as letters, photographs, diaries that remain in private hands). Generous
cousin gave me much family information. In the event I were to publish my
researches, I would list them as a general resources (and in some cases as
the source)as even my extensions to this work would have been immeasurably
more difficult without it. Where they supplied documents to me I would say
so, and also cite the archival repository. As I accumulate documents I
find some of the data >from these family sources may be inaccurate; in these
cases I would use my own information and merely cite my documentary source.


If it's an interview: who told you, when, where, by phone, in person, and
how reliable is your informant (the relationship of the informant to the
data: was he present at the event, is it someone with failing memory or
someone passing on what others, etc. told him - you get the picture). If
you have the information out of your personal memory of people and events,
document that also and rate yourself on your certainty.

When information comes >from documents (vital statistics, wills, deeds,
naturalization papers, city directories, ships' records, etc) then indicate
the repository where the document is located, the book or microfilm roll#
containing the information, etc. In addition, when possible, get the
documents.

These are all things that you may have been doing all along, if not go back
and fill in the blanks. To publish your material - even if only to
distribute among family members - this documentation should be there
anyway. A good genealogy program it will help keep records straight,
generate reports, and do footnotes and bibliography. Be sure it allows
thorough source data.

Documentary evidence is the strongest defense (both epistemologically as
well as legally). Try to have the document in your possession; note where
you got it. For notes on some microfilm or book, etc., have a record of
the source (i.e., The title of the book, it's author, the publisher and
date; photograph of a gravestone at x cemetery, National Archives, 1900 US
Census for Pennsylvania, microfilm #0000 contains ggf Isaac's
naturalization papers on which he states he came >from shetl x, Poland,
listed his wife's date of birth, etc.). There are books out there (Mills,
Landry, etc.) that will give you an idea of exactly what constitutes proper
documentation for different sorts of source materials.

In addition - and check this out legally, don't rely on my say so - it is
my understanding with all intellectual property including photographs,
paintings, videos, as well as writings, that you can use the copyright mark
with your name and the date (┬ęBarbara Harris, 2000) whenever you make these
public. If true, then you needn't apply to the Copyright Office to protect
yourself while in the process of collecting your materials before
publication. I'm told, perhaps erroneously, that you can mail a copy of
the work at issue to yourself and keep it with its postmark unopened as
evidence.

Intellectual honesty, common decency, and fairness should guide us all in
giving due credit to the work of others; lawyers and copyright laws are
there for the exceptions. Respect for our "readers" and a desire to
authenticate our work should lead us all to document our research. I doubt
your cousin could prevail against you, but document everything you've done
and do in the future -- and check with a lawyer.

Barbara Harris


Re Ca death index and SSN #general

Mike and Elynn Boss <mboss@...>
 

Hi Linda

You might infer that no SSN benefits were paid. My deceased first
husband worked for the Post Office, and he had a pension. He did NOT
contribute to SSN, but he did have an SSN number. Since he never
contributed to SSN, I could not claim any death benefits. I believe
that the railroad was the same way.

Elynn Boss


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re Ca death index and SSN #general

Mike and Elynn Boss <mboss@...>
 

Hi Linda

You might infer that no SSN benefits were paid. My deceased first
husband worked for the Post Office, and he had a pension. He did NOT
contribute to SSN, but he did have an SSN number. Since he never
contributed to SSN, I could not claim any death benefits. I believe
that the railroad was the same way.

Elynn Boss


Re: U.S. Patent Holder #general

Hubert E. Dubb <hdubb@...>
 

If you go the the USPTO (United States Patent and Trademark Office) at:
www.uspto.gov
you will be able to enter their Searchable Database link and call up the
entire patent text on screen. You can also get a copy of the patent for
$3.00 as an attachment to an email and open it with an Adobe Reader (free
download.) The ordered copy will include the drawings.

Hugh Dubb

Sherri Bobish wrote:

Some weeks ago, while doing a web search for my highly unusual maiden name,
I came upon someone who had received a U.S. patent in 1972. However, when
I tried to enter the web site for more info I could not get in.

I looked for it again today, and that web site appears to have disappeared.
Would anyone know if there is any way to get more information on a patent
if one only knows the person's name and the year the patent was taken out?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: U.S. Patent Holder #general

Hubert E. Dubb <hdubb@...>
 

If you go the the USPTO (United States Patent and Trademark Office) at:
www.uspto.gov
you will be able to enter their Searchable Database link and call up the
entire patent text on screen. You can also get a copy of the patent for
$3.00 as an attachment to an email and open it with an Adobe Reader (free
download.) The ordered copy will include the drawings.

Hugh Dubb

Sherri Bobish wrote:

Some weeks ago, while doing a web search for my highly unusual maiden name,
I came upon someone who had received a U.S. patent in 1972. However, when
I tried to enter the web site for more info I could not get in.

I looked for it again today, and that web site appears to have disappeared.
Would anyone know if there is any way to get more information on a patent
if one only knows the person's name and the year the patent was taken out?


Re: Database of active Landsmanschaft organizations in Israel and elsewhere #general

avigdor ben-dov <owltoo@...>
 

Since I live in Israel, I am hoping to contact Israeli genners and
organizations in geneology research and am willing to volunteer some CP time
to help make a db such as Susan recommends. Suggestions are welcome as to
search items to include, but I would prefer to keep it simple with links for
further inquiries, etc.
I am into research in the Bialystok Gubornia of Poland (Lomza, Zabludowa,
Sokoly) and also Zambrow(y).
Avigdor Ben-Dov, Kedumim Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Database of active Landsmanschaft organizations in Israel and elsewhere #general

avigdor ben-dov <owltoo@...>
 

Since I live in Israel, I am hoping to contact Israeli genners and
organizations in geneology research and am willing to volunteer some CP time
to help make a db such as Susan recommends. Suggestions are welcome as to
search items to include, but I would prefer to keep it simple with links for
further inquiries, etc.
I am into research in the Bialystok Gubornia of Poland (Lomza, Zabludowa,
Sokoly) and also Zambrow(y).
Avigdor Ben-Dov, Kedumim Israel


Patent search #general

Lee Hover <lhover@...>
 

Sherri-

Try this URL for the US Patent Office--you should be able to find what
you're looking for.

http://www.uspto.gov/patft/index.html

Lee MESSING Hover


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Patent search #general

Lee Hover <lhover@...>
 

Sherri-

Try this URL for the US Patent Office--you should be able to find what
you're looking for.

http://www.uspto.gov/patft/index.html

Lee MESSING Hover


Info on pogroms #general

tbstone6@...
 

Hi all,
Hope you can help me, here. What would be the best way to find out info
on pogroms? There was a pogrom in Volosnya in 1904, how could I find out
more?
Thanks for all your help.
Tamar Stone


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Info on pogroms #general

tbstone6@...
 

Hi all,
Hope you can help me, here. What would be the best way to find out info
on pogroms? There was a pogrom in Volosnya in 1904, how could I find out
more?
Thanks for all your help.
Tamar Stone


Luach Dates #general

hepstein <hepstein@...>
 

Does anyone have access to a perpetual book of calendar dates?

I am seeking the comparable Jewish date for the first Sunday in September
1941 to determine the yahrzeit date for the entire family of my aunt &
uncle and four cousins who were murdered with all the Jews >from Alytus, Lithuania.

Howard V. Epstein
hepstein@mindspring.com

MODERATOR NOTE: The JOS Calendar Converter can convert a civil (Gregorian
calendar) date into the equivalent date on the Hebrew calendar, and vice
versa. It can also display Yahrzeit dates for consecutive years. It can be
accessed at: http://www.jewishgen.org/jos/josdates.htm


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Luach Dates #general

hepstein <hepstein@...>
 

Does anyone have access to a perpetual book of calendar dates?

I am seeking the comparable Jewish date for the first Sunday in September
1941 to determine the yahrzeit date for the entire family of my aunt &
uncle and four cousins who were murdered with all the Jews >from Alytus, Lithuania.

Howard V. Epstein
hepstein@mindspring.com

MODERATOR NOTE: The JOS Calendar Converter can convert a civil (Gregorian
calendar) date into the equivalent date on the Hebrew calendar, and vice
versa. It can also display Yahrzeit dates for consecutive years. It can be
accessed at: http://www.jewishgen.org/jos/josdates.htm