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Re: 1843 Bereg County map? #hungary

Leslie Gyi <leslie@...>
 

I haven't tried using these maps, but I did find a website offering
historical maps of Hungarian Counties below. Unfortunately they seem to be
out of Szabolcs-Szatmar-Berg. They also don't indicate the year the map is
from. Maybe someout there is familiar with this map series and can tell if
they are of sufficient detail for the correct period.

http://www.dholmes.com/rm-book.html

Hungarian County Maps ($12.00)

This is a new series of Hungarian county maps at a scale of 1:200,000. Not
as detailed as the maps above, but they are still supurb references and, of
course, they show every village. In several ways, they are far better than
the old Cartographia maps above because they have many of the village
coats-of-arms in beautiful color, they contain a short county history in
several languages (including English), and they even give population totals
of every village and city within the county. If you already have one of the
county maps like the above >from Cartographia, you won't be disappointed in
adding one of this new series to your collection. (Price includes shipping)

Bacs-Kiskun (2 in stock)
Baranya - OUT
Bekes (2 in stock)
Borsod-Abauj-Zemplen - OUT (has Szabolcs-Szatmar-Bereg on reverse - $18)
Csongrad - (3 in stock)
Fejer (1 in stock)
Gyor-Moson-Sopron - (2 in stock)
Hajdu-Bihar (2 in stock)
Heves (2 in stock)
Jasz-Nagykun-Szolnok (3 in stock)
Komarom-Esztergom (1 in stock)
Nograd - OUT
Pest (3 in stock)
Somogy (2 in stock)
Szabolcs-Szatmar-Bereg - OUT (has Borsod-Abauj-Zemplen on reverse - $18)
Tolna (1 in stock)
Vas - OUT
Veszprem - OUT
Zala (2 in stock)

-----Original Message-----
From: John Rothchild [mailto:jroth@cpcug.org]
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 3:39 PM
To: Hungarian SIG
Subject: 1843 Bereg County map?


Can anyone recommend an on-line map of Bereg County as it existed in
approximately 1843? I need a map showing the smallest towns. Thanks for
any assistance.
--Joan Hartman


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Hungarian "newspapers" and obituaries #hungary

DGoldman <dgoldman@...>
 

I think a past previous discussion of the obituary collection at the
Hungarian National Library may be available in the discussion archives.
There is also information in the journal of the JGS of Greater
Washington--MISHPACHA, vol. 18, no. 2 (summer 1998). Some of that
information is:

The collection is on the first floor of the Szechenyi Library, on Castle
Hill in Budapest. The obituaries are not newspaper announcements but
formal, printed announcements of death. The only U.S. document with an
even slightly similar purpose is a birth announcement. The collection
is largely >from the period 1900-1915, but goes >from 1864-1965. There
are some Jewish obituaries in the collection, but I would be surprised
to see any significant component of Holocaust-era materials. The
collection does not refer to all deaths of Hungarian citizens, but only
to those whose family could afford such an announcement
--Diane Goldman
Maryland USA <dgoldman@erols.com>

. . . Also: there seems to be an orbituary collection in Hungary that
might contain obituaries of Jews having died in the holocaust. Does
anyone know where this collection might be located? And has anyone had
experience in using it and thought it useful? . . .--Susanne Belovari


Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: 1843 Bereg County map? #hungary

Leslie Gyi <leslie@...>
 

I haven't tried using these maps, but I did find a website offering
historical maps of Hungarian Counties below. Unfortunately they seem to be
out of Szabolcs-Szatmar-Berg. They also don't indicate the year the map is
from. Maybe someout there is familiar with this map series and can tell if
they are of sufficient detail for the correct period.

http://www.dholmes.com/rm-book.html

Hungarian County Maps ($12.00)

This is a new series of Hungarian county maps at a scale of 1:200,000. Not
as detailed as the maps above, but they are still supurb references and, of
course, they show every village. In several ways, they are far better than
the old Cartographia maps above because they have many of the village
coats-of-arms in beautiful color, they contain a short county history in
several languages (including English), and they even give population totals
of every village and city within the county. If you already have one of the
county maps like the above >from Cartographia, you won't be disappointed in
adding one of this new series to your collection. (Price includes shipping)

Bacs-Kiskun (2 in stock)
Baranya - OUT
Bekes (2 in stock)
Borsod-Abauj-Zemplen - OUT (has Szabolcs-Szatmar-Bereg on reverse - $18)
Csongrad - (3 in stock)
Fejer (1 in stock)
Gyor-Moson-Sopron - (2 in stock)
Hajdu-Bihar (2 in stock)
Heves (2 in stock)
Jasz-Nagykun-Szolnok (3 in stock)
Komarom-Esztergom (1 in stock)
Nograd - OUT
Pest (3 in stock)
Somogy (2 in stock)
Szabolcs-Szatmar-Bereg - OUT (has Borsod-Abauj-Zemplen on reverse - $18)
Tolna (1 in stock)
Vas - OUT
Veszprem - OUT
Zala (2 in stock)

-----Original Message-----
From: John Rothchild [mailto:jroth@cpcug.org]
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 3:39 PM
To: Hungarian SIG
Subject: 1843 Bereg County map?


Can anyone recommend an on-line map of Bereg County as it existed in
approximately 1843? I need a map showing the smallest towns. Thanks for
any assistance.
--Joan Hartman


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Hungary SIG #Hungary Hungarian "newspapers" and obituaries #hungary

DGoldman <dgoldman@...>
 

I think a past previous discussion of the obituary collection at the
Hungarian National Library may be available in the discussion archives.
There is also information in the journal of the JGS of Greater
Washington--MISHPACHA, vol. 18, no. 2 (summer 1998). Some of that
information is:

The collection is on the first floor of the Szechenyi Library, on Castle
Hill in Budapest. The obituaries are not newspaper announcements but
formal, printed announcements of death. The only U.S. document with an
even slightly similar purpose is a birth announcement. The collection
is largely >from the period 1900-1915, but goes >from 1864-1965. There
are some Jewish obituaries in the collection, but I would be surprised
to see any significant component of Holocaust-era materials. The
collection does not refer to all deaths of Hungarian citizens, but only
to those whose family could afford such an announcement
--Diane Goldman
Maryland USA <dgoldman@erols.com>

. . . Also: there seems to be an orbituary collection in Hungary that
might contain obituaries of Jews having died in the holocaust. Does
anyone know where this collection might be located? And has anyone had
experience in using it and thought it useful? . . .--Susanne Belovari


Re: Slovakian Towns - Help!Another day, a similar question #hungary

Herb Meyers <herbiem@...>
 

The Hungarian town(pre WW1) , Dunkofalva, is about 10 miles northeast
of Munkacs. The Ukrainian name is Obava.

Herb Meyers
Boulder, CO
herbiem@mindspring.com


Re: 1843 Bereg County map? #hungary

Peter I. Hidas <peterhidas@...>
 

http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/vmlista.htm

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historian

thidas@sympatico.ca
peterhidas@yahoo.com
To read some of my studies you are more than welcome to visit my home page at
www3.sympatico.ca/thidas

__________________________________________________
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Slovakian Towns - Help!Another day, a similar question #hungary

Herb Meyers <herbiem@...>
 

The Hungarian town(pre WW1) , Dunkofalva, is about 10 miles northeast
of Munkacs. The Ukrainian name is Obava.

Herb Meyers
Boulder, CO
herbiem@mindspring.com


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: 1843 Bereg County map? #hungary

Peter I. Hidas <peterhidas@...>
 

http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/vmlista.htm

=====
Dr. Peter I. Hidas
historian

thidas@sympatico.ca
peterhidas@yahoo.com
To read some of my studies you are more than welcome to visit my home page at
www3.sympatico.ca/thidas

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays!
http://calendar.yahoo.com/


Re: VOLPE name #general

nbonomi <nbonomi@...>
 

Volpe and Volpi are not unusual surnames in Italy.
"Volpe" means fox.
I found few Volpe quotated in my books but no one is surely Jewish.

Nardo Bonomi
Firenze - Italy

Researching on:
BRAVERMAN or BROVERMAN >from actual Ukraine
GROBMAN Ukraine
LUFT Kolomya
ABRAHAM >from actual Rumania
GRUNBLATT everywhere

I'm looking for info on the origin of the Jewish name Volpe. Is it Italian
like one of the web sites says or it Russian >from sort of town named
"Wolpa". Is "Wolpa" well documented and how does that become "Volpe"?I'm a
Volpe.


Help needed in Charlotte, North Carolina #general

Genealicej@...
 

If anybody can kindly help me trace a German-born elderly relative in
Charlotte, North Carolina, would they please contact me privately.

Thanks for any help you can give me on this!

Alice Josephs
Loughton
Essex
UK


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: VOLPE name #general

nbonomi <nbonomi@...>
 

Volpe and Volpi are not unusual surnames in Italy.
"Volpe" means fox.
I found few Volpe quotated in my books but no one is surely Jewish.

Nardo Bonomi
Firenze - Italy

Researching on:
BRAVERMAN or BROVERMAN >from actual Ukraine
GROBMAN Ukraine
LUFT Kolomya
ABRAHAM >from actual Rumania
GRUNBLATT everywhere

I'm looking for info on the origin of the Jewish name Volpe. Is it Italian
like one of the web sites says or it Russian >from sort of town named
"Wolpa". Is "Wolpa" well documented and how does that become "Volpe"?I'm a
Volpe.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Help needed in Charlotte, North Carolina #general

Genealicej@...
 

If anybody can kindly help me trace a German-born elderly relative in
Charlotte, North Carolina, would they please contact me privately.

Thanks for any help you can give me on this!

Alice Josephs
Loughton
Essex
UK


Re: Marriage dates #general

Norman H. Carp-Gordon <zerakodesh@...>
 

A traditional rabbi will not officiate at a wedding held between Pesakh
(Passover) and Shavuos (Pentecost), the 50-day period during which the
"omer" is counted daily. Portions of the three spring months of Nisan,
Iyar and Sivan are involved.

On Sun, 12 Nov 2000 19:40:44 -0500 Gerald Smith <gerald9@home.com>
writes:

Does anyone know if there were certain months in the Jewish calendar,
when a rabbi would not marry someone? My father told me he had to get
married in another town by a reform rabbi because of the time of the
year. I have never heard that.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Marriage dates #general

Norman H. Carp-Gordon <zerakodesh@...>
 

A traditional rabbi will not officiate at a wedding held between Pesakh
(Passover) and Shavuos (Pentecost), the 50-day period during which the
"omer" is counted daily. Portions of the three spring months of Nisan,
Iyar and Sivan are involved.

On Sun, 12 Nov 2000 19:40:44 -0500 Gerald Smith <gerald9@home.com>
writes:

Does anyone know if there were certain months in the Jewish calendar,
when a rabbi would not marry someone? My father told me he had to get
married in another town by a reform rabbi because of the time of the
year. I have never heard that.


Halloween mystery solved! #general

Dick Plotz
 

The solution to the mystery of the birth of four children to Naatje
Mogendorff after her death has been cleared up by family members, and the
explanation is quite as colorful as the mystery.

Naatje Mogendorff's oldest brother had a stepdaughter Hanna Vredenburg, who
was in fact a few months older than Naatje. Hanna used the name Naatje
Mogendorff, same as her aunt. I believe, and perhaps a Dutch reader can
verify this, that "Naatje" is an unusual familiar name for Hanna, in just the
same way as "Nusia" in Slavic-speaking countries, discussed here recently.
And of course it would have been natural for Hanna-Naatje to use her
stepfather's surname.

It was Hanna-Naatje, not her step-aunt, who bore all the children shown in
the Groenlo records as the children of "Naatje Mogendorff". Eventually, the
more respectable members of the Mogendorff family went to court to stop the
improper use of their family name by this black sheep, and in 1879 the court
in Zutphen officially changed the surnames of all the children alive then
from Mogendorff to Vredenburg. Hanna-Naatje married later in 1879 and died
in Groenlo in 1893, according to family members, but her death is not
recorded in the Groenlo registers. Another mystery, but this time not one
that violates the laws of biology!

Dick Plotz
Providence RI USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Halloween mystery solved! #general

Dick Plotz
 

The solution to the mystery of the birth of four children to Naatje
Mogendorff after her death has been cleared up by family members, and the
explanation is quite as colorful as the mystery.

Naatje Mogendorff's oldest brother had a stepdaughter Hanna Vredenburg, who
was in fact a few months older than Naatje. Hanna used the name Naatje
Mogendorff, same as her aunt. I believe, and perhaps a Dutch reader can
verify this, that "Naatje" is an unusual familiar name for Hanna, in just the
same way as "Nusia" in Slavic-speaking countries, discussed here recently.
And of course it would have been natural for Hanna-Naatje to use her
stepfather's surname.

It was Hanna-Naatje, not her step-aunt, who bore all the children shown in
the Groenlo records as the children of "Naatje Mogendorff". Eventually, the
more respectable members of the Mogendorff family went to court to stop the
improper use of their family name by this black sheep, and in 1879 the court
in Zutphen officially changed the surnames of all the children alive then
from Mogendorff to Vredenburg. Hanna-Naatje married later in 1879 and died
in Groenlo in 1893, according to family members, but her death is not
recorded in the Groenlo registers. Another mystery, but this time not one
that violates the laws of biology!

Dick Plotz
Providence RI USA


Pinsk Photo Album #belarus

ADAVIS <ADAVIS@...>
 

Posted on the UN's Web site for Belarus, this is a scenic overview of the
City of Pinsk. An aerial shot of the main Synagogue is included in this
rather sanitized collection of images of historic buildings, river views
and streets. Some images are accompanied by English captions, while
others are in Cyrillic only or are blank. Navigate the album using the
arrow on the lower right of your screen.

http://www.un.minsk.by/publications/Pinsk/pinsk0.html

There is little of use here >from a research standpoint, but it is a little
interesting. I am working on getting additional photos of Jewish Pinsk,
which will be posted to the research group site, pending the construction
of a shtetlinks site on JewishGen.


Adam Davis
Chicago

Researching: Dobzewitz (Pinsk)


Belarus SIG #Belarus Pinsk Photo Album #belarus

ADAVIS <ADAVIS@...>
 

Posted on the UN's Web site for Belarus, this is a scenic overview of the
City of Pinsk. An aerial shot of the main Synagogue is included in this
rather sanitized collection of images of historic buildings, river views
and streets. Some images are accompanied by English captions, while
others are in Cyrillic only or are blank. Navigate the album using the
arrow on the lower right of your screen.

http://www.un.minsk.by/publications/Pinsk/pinsk0.html

There is little of use here >from a research standpoint, but it is a little
interesting. I am working on getting additional photos of Jewish Pinsk,
which will be posted to the research group site, pending the construction
of a shtetlinks site on JewishGen.


Adam Davis
Chicago

Researching: Dobzewitz (Pinsk)


Calendar #belarus

Lainslyd@...
 

How can I convert Christmas 1895 in the Julian Calendar to the Hebrew or
Gregorian calendar.

Researching Dudkin, Orsha, Mogelev, Shamova
Berger, Pogust

Elaine Siegel
Monroe Twp. NJ
Lainslyd@cs.com


Belarus SIG #Belarus Calendar #belarus

Lainslyd@...
 

How can I convert Christmas 1895 in the Julian Calendar to the Hebrew or
Gregorian calendar.

Researching Dudkin, Orsha, Mogelev, Shamova
Berger, Pogust

Elaine Siegel
Monroe Twp. NJ
Lainslyd@cs.com