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Re: digitization #yizkorbooks

sidney and olga zabludoff <sozablud@...>
 

Joyce:
"Original" yizkor books are protected by copyright law just as are
translations. If your announcements are to be interpreted as delivered, this
would be an infringement on copyright law. I still cannot believe that
institutions like the New York Public Library and the NYBC would simply
ignore the law. Have you gotten any word to the effect that they plan to
obtain permission >from the copyright holders before digitizing ANY titles?

Olga Zabludoff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joyce Field" <jfield@indy.net>
Subject: digitization

One additional comment. In its announcement of the digitization of
yizkor books, the NYBC stated only that it would digitize the
original yizkor books.
<snip>


Yizkor Books #YizkorBooks Re: digitization #yizkorbooks

sidney and olga zabludoff <sozablud@...>
 

Joyce:
"Original" yizkor books are protected by copyright law just as are
translations. If your announcements are to be interpreted as delivered, this
would be an infringement on copyright law. I still cannot believe that
institutions like the New York Public Library and the NYBC would simply
ignore the law. Have you gotten any word to the effect that they plan to
obtain permission >from the copyright holders before digitizing ANY titles?

Olga Zabludoff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joyce Field" <jfield@indy.net>
Subject: digitization

One additional comment. In its announcement of the digitization of
yizkor books, the NYBC stated only that it would digitize the
original yizkor books.
<snip>


Re: Travel from Rotterdam to Canada #ukraine

Lillian Faffer
 

Re: Message 2: Ships >from Rotterdam to Canada and travel by rail to US

The US has arrival records for passengers who arrived by train from
Canada. These indexed records are known as The St. Albin records and
provide information similar to the information on a ship's manifest. The
records frequently include the name of the ship, date of ship's arrival
and port of Canadian arrival.
After many years, the Canadian government located and microfilmed the
ships arrival records. Copies of these microfilms are available at
Canadian libraries, and also on inter library loan.
There is a Canadian government website which has more information about
these records.

Lillian Faffer

lfaffer@juno.com

Message-Number: 2

Is there any list showing ships (or certain lines) sailing from
Rotterdam to Canadian ports in, say, 1905? Was Montreal the ONLY port
for those ships departing Europe for Canada? A recent resource
indicates my ancestors traveled >from the Ukraine (Zhitomir region) to
Rotterdam to Canada and to the US "by train >from Montreal."
TIA for any assistance.

Howard M. Kaplan
Colorado USA


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Travel from Rotterdam to Canada #ukraine

Lillian Faffer
 

Re: Message 2: Ships >from Rotterdam to Canada and travel by rail to US

The US has arrival records for passengers who arrived by train from
Canada. These indexed records are known as The St. Albin records and
provide information similar to the information on a ship's manifest. The
records frequently include the name of the ship, date of ship's arrival
and port of Canadian arrival.
After many years, the Canadian government located and microfilmed the
ships arrival records. Copies of these microfilms are available at
Canadian libraries, and also on inter library loan.
There is a Canadian government website which has more information about
these records.

Lillian Faffer

lfaffer@juno.com

Message-Number: 2

Is there any list showing ships (or certain lines) sailing from
Rotterdam to Canadian ports in, say, 1905? Was Montreal the ONLY port
for those ships departing Europe for Canada? A recent resource
indicates my ancestors traveled >from the Ukraine (Zhitomir region) to
Rotterdam to Canada and to the US "by train >from Montreal."
TIA for any assistance.

Howard M. Kaplan
Colorado USA


civil registration vs sinagogue registration(Warszava) #poland

éÒÉÎÁ á <genealog@...>
 

Dear listers!
I'm quite new to this list but for a few time I was performing a search regarding my Warsawa-borned ncestors off-line. The web allowed me to enjoyed >from a dozen of new entrances founded in wounderful on-line REIPP database.
But I didn't find out here any answer to my improtant question say theoretical question.
My ggparents were born in Warsawa in 1869(my ggmother),1872, 1875 - ggmother's brother and sister. Gma Khana Tatelbom was got civil registration in 1877. I've supposed together with her smaler brother and sister.
So, does anybody has any idea is there somewhere(in Warsawa or elsewhere) sinagogue registers for the said years or there is nothing like original sinagogue registers and only civil registration for a few years and for a few districts of warsawa(as it follows >from REIPP data) are hold?
Does anybody has any idea REIPP put in the web notices about all existing civil regiters or not? I recognize that not all years mentioned in the web are indexed. Perhaps, something for some years are hold in Warsawa or it is hopeless and due to WWII we have such holes like between 1860 and 1880(ab. 20 years)?
And againe I'm worry has anybody even seen NON-civil registration for Warsawa jews?
TIA,
Irene Anisov

genealog@mail.ru


JRI Poland #Poland civil registration vs sinagogue registration(Warszava) #poland

éÒÉÎÁ á <genealog@...>
 

Dear listers!
I'm quite new to this list but for a few time I was performing a search regarding my Warsawa-borned ncestors off-line. The web allowed me to enjoyed >from a dozen of new entrances founded in wounderful on-line REIPP database.
But I didn't find out here any answer to my improtant question say theoretical question.
My ggparents were born in Warsawa in 1869(my ggmother),1872, 1875 - ggmother's brother and sister. Gma Khana Tatelbom was got civil registration in 1877. I've supposed together with her smaler brother and sister.
So, does anybody has any idea is there somewhere(in Warsawa or elsewhere) sinagogue registers for the said years or there is nothing like original sinagogue registers and only civil registration for a few years and for a few districts of warsawa(as it follows >from REIPP data) are hold?
Does anybody has any idea REIPP put in the web notices about all existing civil regiters or not? I recognize that not all years mentioned in the web are indexed. Perhaps, something for some years are hold in Warsawa or it is hopeless and due to WWII we have such holes like between 1860 and 1880(ab. 20 years)?
And againe I'm worry has anybody even seen NON-civil registration for Warsawa jews?
TIA,
Irene Anisov

genealog@mail.ru


Re: Ekaterinoslav Research Group #ukraine

Elsebeth Paikin
 

At 18:15 11-12-00 +0200, Udi Cain wrote:
I'm looking for the traces of my family members, who got married at the
end of the 1870s' or early 1880s', and who went to live in
Ekaterinoslav.
Sima (nee CHAIKIN) married her first cousin, who was a lawyer in
Ekaterinoslav.
I just wanted to inform you all that there is a special


* Ekaterinoslav Area Research Group *

with it's own discussion group.

The Ekaterinoslav Area Research Group is dedicated to serving
as an information-gathering vehicle and clearinghouse for Jewish
genealogical as well as historical information relating to the
Jewish community in and around the city formerly known as
Ekaterinoslav and now called Dnipropetrovsk in the Ukraine.
Because many Jews relocated to Ekaterinoslav or the surrounding
agricultural colonies >from Belarus (and many of these in turn
subsequently emigrated), many of our members and potential members
will be particularly interested in Belarus-Ekaterinoslav
connections. Therefore the Belarus SIG Online Newsletter

http://www.jewishgen.org/Belarus/newsletter/bnl_index.htm

publishes articles of interest for Ekaterinoslav researchers.

The Ekaterinoslav group was started in 1999 after the New York
Conference, but have joined the Ukraine SIG when it was
established.

There will presumably sometime soon be a link >from the Ukraine
SIG website to the Ekaterinoslav Group.

Until then you can subscribe to it as to all the other JewishGen
lists by -- as usual -- going to:

http://www.jewishgen.org/listserv/sigs.htm

and follow the instructions.

Best regards
Moderator of the Belarus, Denmark
and Ekaterinoslav Discussion Groups
Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark
e-mail: elsebeth@paikin.dk


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Ekaterinoslav Research Group #ukraine

Elsebeth Paikin
 

At 18:15 11-12-00 +0200, Udi Cain wrote:
I'm looking for the traces of my family members, who got married at the
end of the 1870s' or early 1880s', and who went to live in
Ekaterinoslav.
Sima (nee CHAIKIN) married her first cousin, who was a lawyer in
Ekaterinoslav.
I just wanted to inform you all that there is a special


* Ekaterinoslav Area Research Group *

with it's own discussion group.

The Ekaterinoslav Area Research Group is dedicated to serving
as an information-gathering vehicle and clearinghouse for Jewish
genealogical as well as historical information relating to the
Jewish community in and around the city formerly known as
Ekaterinoslav and now called Dnipropetrovsk in the Ukraine.
Because many Jews relocated to Ekaterinoslav or the surrounding
agricultural colonies >from Belarus (and many of these in turn
subsequently emigrated), many of our members and potential members
will be particularly interested in Belarus-Ekaterinoslav
connections. Therefore the Belarus SIG Online Newsletter

http://www.jewishgen.org/Belarus/newsletter/bnl_index.htm

publishes articles of interest for Ekaterinoslav researchers.

The Ekaterinoslav group was started in 1999 after the New York
Conference, but have joined the Ukraine SIG when it was
established.

There will presumably sometime soon be a link >from the Ukraine
SIG website to the Ekaterinoslav Group.

Until then you can subscribe to it as to all the other JewishGen
lists by -- as usual -- going to:

http://www.jewishgen.org/listserv/sigs.htm

and follow the instructions.

Best regards
Moderator of the Belarus, Denmark
and Ekaterinoslav Discussion Groups
Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark
e-mail: elsebeth@paikin.dk


Re: Jewish agricultural colonists from Kamenets Podolskiy #ukraine

Raanan S Isseroff <raanan1@...>
 

BS"D
I also have a cousin who left Eretz Yisrael for Baron Hirshes colonies in
Argentina. I would be interested to see what you come up with.
He went to "Moises-ville". His name was Moishe BRAVERMAN / SONNYSON.

Raanan S. Isseroff
brooklyn, USA


On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 16:45:32 -0500 <ebf2001@home.com> writes:

12/11/00

I was intrigued to learn about the first group of Jewish colonists
to arrive in Argentina. My great uncle emigrated to Argentina from
Kamenets Podolskiy, but I don't know if he went under the aegis of the
agricultural colonies. Is anyone aware of the existence of lists that
would indicate who settled in Jewish agricultural colonies in Argentina?

TIA
Evan Fishman
ebf2001@home.com


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Jewish agricultural colonists from Kamenets Podolskiy #ukraine

Raanan S Isseroff <raanan1@...>
 

BS"D
I also have a cousin who left Eretz Yisrael for Baron Hirshes colonies in
Argentina. I would be interested to see what you come up with.
He went to "Moises-ville". His name was Moishe BRAVERMAN / SONNYSON.

Raanan S. Isseroff
brooklyn, USA


On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 16:45:32 -0500 <ebf2001@home.com> writes:

12/11/00

I was intrigued to learn about the first group of Jewish colonists
to arrive in Argentina. My great uncle emigrated to Argentina from
Kamenets Podolskiy, but I don't know if he went under the aegis of the
agricultural colonies. Is anyone aware of the existence of lists that
would indicate who settled in Jewish agricultural colonies in Argentina?

TIA
Evan Fishman
ebf2001@home.com


A JewishGen success story #general

Joyce Weaver <joyweave@...>
 

I want to share a success story related to using the Family Tree of the
Jewish People at the JewishGen site.

When I was growing up, my mother was in contact with cousins of hers in
Colorado. I had only a vague memory of their names, but found some
names on the backs of photos in her album that rang a bell. Among them
were several pictures of children identified as Homer Goodman and
Lorraine Nathenson. The names Ceil and Rose showed up as adults in this
same group, but without surnames.

I searched the Family Tree and a Lorraine Nathanson popped up with her
husband's family name and a Colorado location. I contacted the
submitter, who said he got the information >from a member of the
husband's family and knew nothing more about Lorraine.

Fortunately, the name was unusual, so I went to switchboard.com and
found them listed. I wrote to Lorraine and sure enough-- she's my third
cousin and was able to fill in the fact that my VILNER/ WILNER
grandmother and hers were cousins. Ceil was her mother and Rose is
Homer's.

Several years ago, I found a first cousin on my father's side through
the JGFF.

Keep up the good work, folks! (And yes, I made a donation yesterday.
It's worth every penny!)

Joy Weaver
mail to: joyweave@erols.com

Poland (Zaklikow and Krasnick, Lublin): Blumberg, Fogiel, Rozenel.
Belarus (Brest and Vysokoye, Grodno): Feinberg, Vilner, Greenberg.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen A JewishGen success story #general

Joyce Weaver <joyweave@...>
 

I want to share a success story related to using the Family Tree of the
Jewish People at the JewishGen site.

When I was growing up, my mother was in contact with cousins of hers in
Colorado. I had only a vague memory of their names, but found some
names on the backs of photos in her album that rang a bell. Among them
were several pictures of children identified as Homer Goodman and
Lorraine Nathenson. The names Ceil and Rose showed up as adults in this
same group, but without surnames.

I searched the Family Tree and a Lorraine Nathanson popped up with her
husband's family name and a Colorado location. I contacted the
submitter, who said he got the information >from a member of the
husband's family and knew nothing more about Lorraine.

Fortunately, the name was unusual, so I went to switchboard.com and
found them listed. I wrote to Lorraine and sure enough-- she's my third
cousin and was able to fill in the fact that my VILNER/ WILNER
grandmother and hers were cousins. Ceil was her mother and Rose is
Homer's.

Several years ago, I found a first cousin on my father's side through
the JGFF.

Keep up the good work, folks! (And yes, I made a donation yesterday.
It's worth every penny!)

Joy Weaver
mail to: joyweave@erols.com

Poland (Zaklikow and Krasnick, Lublin): Blumberg, Fogiel, Rozenel.
Belarus (Brest and Vysokoye, Grodno): Feinberg, Vilner, Greenberg.


Re: Name changes and Posting #ukraine

Raanan S Isseroff <raanan1@...>
 

BS"D

This reminds me of the story of Rabbi Quinn.
His family name was cohen, but somehow the officials arrived at the
spelling "Quinn"....

Raanan S. Isseroff


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Name changes and Posting #ukraine

Raanan S Isseroff <raanan1@...>
 

BS"D

This reminds me of the story of Rabbi Quinn.
His family name was cohen, but somehow the officials arrived at the
spelling "Quinn"....

Raanan S. Isseroff


digitization #yizkorbooks

Joyce Field <jfield@...>
 

One additional comment. In its announcement of the digitization of
yizkor books, the NYBC stated only that it would digitize the
original yizkor books. There was no mention of translations of
yizkor books being digitized. I think that translators are being
unnecessarily concerned about an area that was never mentioned.

Joyce Field
jfield@jewishgen.org


Yizkor Books #YizkorBooks digitization #yizkorbooks

Joyce Field <jfield@...>
 

One additional comment. In its announcement of the digitization of
yizkor books, the NYBC stated only that it would digitize the
original yizkor books. There was no mention of translations of
yizkor books being digitized. I think that translators are being
unnecessarily concerned about an area that was never mentioned.

Joyce Field
jfield@jewishgen.org


Warszawa civagogue registers vs civil registrations #warsaw #poland

éÒÉÎÁ á <genealog@...>
 

Dear listers!

I'm quite new to this list but for a few time I was performing a search
regarding my Warsawa-borned ncestors off-line. The web allowed me to
enjoyed >from a dozen of new entrances founded in wounderful on-line REIPP
database.

But I didn't find out here any answer to my improtant question say
theoretical question.

My ggparents were born in Warsawa in 1869 (my ggmother), 1872, 1875 -
ggmother's brother and sister. Gma Khana Tatelbom was got civil
registration in 1877. I've supposed together with her smaler brother and
sister.

So, does anybody has any idea is there somewhere (in Warsawa or elsewhere)
sinagogue registers for the said years or there is nothing like original
sinagogue registers and only civil registration for a few years and for a
few districts of warsawa (as it follows >from REIPP data) are hold?

Does anybody has any idea REIPP put in the web notices about all existing
civil regiters or not? I recognize that not all years mentioned in the web
are indexed. Perhaps, something for some years are hold in Warsawa or it
is hopeless and due to WWII we have such holes like between 1860 and
1880 (ab. 20 years)?

And againe I'm worry has anybody even seen NON-civil registration for Warsawa jews?

TIA,
Irene Anisov

genealog@mail.ru


Warszawa Research Group #Warsaw #Poland Warszawa civagogue registers vs civil registrations #poland #warsaw

éÒÉÎÁ á <genealog@...>
 

Dear listers!

I'm quite new to this list but for a few time I was performing a search
regarding my Warsawa-borned ncestors off-line. The web allowed me to
enjoyed >from a dozen of new entrances founded in wounderful on-line REIPP
database.

But I didn't find out here any answer to my improtant question say
theoretical question.

My ggparents were born in Warsawa in 1869 (my ggmother), 1872, 1875 -
ggmother's brother and sister. Gma Khana Tatelbom was got civil
registration in 1877. I've supposed together with her smaler brother and
sister.

So, does anybody has any idea is there somewhere (in Warsawa or elsewhere)
sinagogue registers for the said years or there is nothing like original
sinagogue registers and only civil registration for a few years and for a
few districts of warsawa (as it follows >from REIPP data) are hold?

Does anybody has any idea REIPP put in the web notices about all existing
civil regiters or not? I recognize that not all years mentioned in the web
are indexed. Perhaps, something for some years are hold in Warsawa or it
is hopeless and due to WWII we have such holes like between 1860 and
1880 (ab. 20 years)?

And againe I'm worry has anybody even seen NON-civil registration for Warsawa jews?

TIA,
Irene Anisov

genealog@mail.ru


Re: Dutch Jewry #general

Arjeh van der Sluis <vandersluiscdn@...>
 

I agree with Lancy.

This is a very good site. It has a lot information and an excellent data
base for Dutch Jews >from the Province of Drente.

I am searching for the following:

van der Sluis, Koopman, Cohen (oldenzaal), Drucker, van Witsen, Meiboom,
Frank, Conen, van Dam, Khan (Ruinen), Godfried.

Regards,

Arjeh van der Sluis CD BSc.
Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
mailto:vandersluiscdn@ica.net


Last Sunday at the JGS of the Galilee we had a presentation about
a Data Base site for Dutch Jewry on the net. Suggest you try:
http://shum.huji.ac.il/~dutchjew/genealog/djgdb.html >>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Dutch Jewry #general

Arjeh van der Sluis <vandersluiscdn@...>
 

I agree with Lancy.

This is a very good site. It has a lot information and an excellent data
base for Dutch Jews >from the Province of Drente.

I am searching for the following:

van der Sluis, Koopman, Cohen (oldenzaal), Drucker, van Witsen, Meiboom,
Frank, Conen, van Dam, Khan (Ruinen), Godfried.

Regards,

Arjeh van der Sluis CD BSc.
Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
mailto:vandersluiscdn@ica.net


Last Sunday at the JGS of the Galilee we had a presentation about
a Data Base site for Dutch Jewry on the net. Suggest you try:
http://shum.huji.ac.il/~dutchjew/genealog/djgdb.html >>