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OUDTSHOORN - JERUSALEM OF AFRICA #southafrica

Jules Feldman
 

" OUDTSHOORN - JERUSALEM OF AFRICA"
by Leibl Feldman

Originally published in Yiddish (Johannesburg 1940) this book appeared in an
English translation in 1989.
It captures the atmosphere of Oudtshoorn in it's Jewish heyday and is a must
for anyone interested in this shtetl.
I can not resist quoting Leibl Feldman take a dig at the Yidden of Oudtshoorn
when he complains (page 63) that the only person who could speak decent Yiddish
to the visiting Yiddish writer Peretz Hirshbein was the Afrikaans Mayor Jannie
De Jager.
For Leibl, my father's cousin , Yiddish was very important; his Zulu driver,
George, spoke a fluent Yiddish and was critical of this "yunge shaigetz" who
did not .
Leibl was born in Skopeshik (Skapiskis) in 1896 and arrived in Johannesburg in
1910
Jules Feldman
Kibbutz Yizreel


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica OUDTSHOORN - JERUSALEM OF AFRICA #southafrica

Jules Feldman
 

" OUDTSHOORN - JERUSALEM OF AFRICA"
by Leibl Feldman

Originally published in Yiddish (Johannesburg 1940) this book appeared in an
English translation in 1989.
It captures the atmosphere of Oudtshoorn in it's Jewish heyday and is a must
for anyone interested in this shtetl.
I can not resist quoting Leibl Feldman take a dig at the Yidden of Oudtshoorn
when he complains (page 63) that the only person who could speak decent Yiddish
to the visiting Yiddish writer Peretz Hirshbein was the Afrikaans Mayor Jannie
De Jager.
For Leibl, my father's cousin , Yiddish was very important; his Zulu driver,
George, spoke a fluent Yiddish and was critical of this "yunge shaigetz" who
did not .
Leibl was born in Skopeshik (Skapiskis) in 1896 and arrived in Johannesburg in
1910
Jules Feldman
Kibbutz Yizreel


Some Hamburg Emigration List Information #galicia

Carole Feinberg <feincgs@...>
 

Dear Friends,

There have been new submissions to the Hamburg Emigration List
database. As of 22 November, 2000, the 1891 direct and indirect lists
were completed, according to the web site. Also, 1894 is partly
accessible now. Here is the web site address:

http://hamburg.de/LinkToYourRoots/english/start.htm

I found the following emigrants >from towns in our scope of interest.
Please let me know if you have any information on these emigrants:

Bertha SCHECK, 17. Place of residence: Boryslaw. Date of departure:
16 March 1890. To New York.

Chaim RINGEL, 24. Borislaw. Departed 29 June 1890. To NY.

Channe RINGEL, 24. Baryslaw. Departed 8 March 1891. To NY.

Mendel RINGEL, 38. Boryslaw. Departed 10 August 1891. To NY.

Isaac HAMMERMANN, 15. Drohobycz. Departed 7 February 1890. To
Philadelphia.

Josef HAMMERMANN, 15, Sambor. Departed 20 June 1890. To NY.

Peppi SCHNEIDER, 23, Sambor. Departed 30 October 1890. To NY.

David KOCH, 18, Drohobycz. Departed 24 May 1890. To NY.

I also found Hude KOCH, 35, Boryslaw. Departed 29 May, 1891. To NY.
She traveled with children Blime, Gittel and Zipre.

If it has been a while since you visited this web site you ought to do
it now while it is still free. I found that our ancestors listed their
residence as Galicia or Austria (in German), and there was no Poland
then.

Best wishes.

Carole


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Some Hamburg Emigration List Information #galicia

Carole Feinberg <feincgs@...>
 

Dear Friends,

There have been new submissions to the Hamburg Emigration List
database. As of 22 November, 2000, the 1891 direct and indirect lists
were completed, according to the web site. Also, 1894 is partly
accessible now. Here is the web site address:

http://hamburg.de/LinkToYourRoots/english/start.htm

I found the following emigrants >from towns in our scope of interest.
Please let me know if you have any information on these emigrants:

Bertha SCHECK, 17. Place of residence: Boryslaw. Date of departure:
16 March 1890. To New York.

Chaim RINGEL, 24. Borislaw. Departed 29 June 1890. To NY.

Channe RINGEL, 24. Baryslaw. Departed 8 March 1891. To NY.

Mendel RINGEL, 38. Boryslaw. Departed 10 August 1891. To NY.

Isaac HAMMERMANN, 15. Drohobycz. Departed 7 February 1890. To
Philadelphia.

Josef HAMMERMANN, 15, Sambor. Departed 20 June 1890. To NY.

Peppi SCHNEIDER, 23, Sambor. Departed 30 October 1890. To NY.

David KOCH, 18, Drohobycz. Departed 24 May 1890. To NY.

I also found Hude KOCH, 35, Boryslaw. Departed 29 May, 1891. To NY.
She traveled with children Blime, Gittel and Zipre.

If it has been a while since you visited this web site you ought to do
it now while it is still free. I found that our ancestors listed their
residence as Galicia or Austria (in German), and there was no Poland
then.

Best wishes.

Carole


Schick surname > Conversion ? #general

Christof Schick <schick@...>
 

Dear JewishGen researchers,

After all those very interesting answers concerning the Schick surname I
would like to ask you the following:

What about a possible conversion >from a Jewish
Schick to the Catholic religion or vice versa?

A reason could be persecution etc. My Schick family is catholic and we are
citizens >from Marbach, St. Gall, in the eastern part of Switzerland, close
to the river Rhine and to Austria. My Schicks can be found in the old
registers >from 1734 on. The "first proofed" is my 3gr-grandfather which got
married 1795 in the village of Kriessern. In his marriage record it's
written "Doneschingensis" which means the my family has its origin (like
many other Swiss !!!) in Germany. I guess that my ancestors emigrated from
the Donaueschingen region to Switzerland around 1700 and finally settled in
the Rhine valley around 1730.

I dont have any indication about that my ancestors might have been Jewish! I
would like to discuss all the possibilities >from my surname. For me the
idea, that maybe one of my ancestors, because of religious persecution,
converted to the catholic religion, is not "that impossible." What do you
think about my idea?

Thank you for your opinions!

Christof Schick-Fernandez
Engelhardstrasse 69
3280 Murten
Switzerland
Email c.schick@schick.ch


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Schick surname > Conversion ? #general

Christof Schick <schick@...>
 

Dear JewishGen researchers,

After all those very interesting answers concerning the Schick surname I
would like to ask you the following:

What about a possible conversion >from a Jewish
Schick to the Catholic religion or vice versa?

A reason could be persecution etc. My Schick family is catholic and we are
citizens >from Marbach, St. Gall, in the eastern part of Switzerland, close
to the river Rhine and to Austria. My Schicks can be found in the old
registers >from 1734 on. The "first proofed" is my 3gr-grandfather which got
married 1795 in the village of Kriessern. In his marriage record it's
written "Doneschingensis" which means the my family has its origin (like
many other Swiss !!!) in Germany. I guess that my ancestors emigrated from
the Donaueschingen region to Switzerland around 1700 and finally settled in
the Rhine valley around 1730.

I dont have any indication about that my ancestors might have been Jewish! I
would like to discuss all the possibilities >from my surname. For me the
idea, that maybe one of my ancestors, because of religious persecution,
converted to the catholic religion, is not "that impossible." What do you
think about my idea?

Thank you for your opinions!

Christof Schick-Fernandez
Engelhardstrasse 69
3280 Murten
Switzerland
Email c.schick@schick.ch


MUSHEL / DIMBURT / ROSE GROSSMAN / ESTER GROSSMAN #general

bevphil <bevphil@...>
 

Looking for descendants of ;
Minnie & Morris MUSHEL, (>from New York area)
Rose GROSSMAN, "
Ester GROSSMAN,
Elizabeth ALPERT, "
Golda DIMBURT, (>from Tel Aviv or Haifa, Israel)
Josef DIMBURT "

Relatives of my mother's (Mae Brown DeFalco) sister.

Felix DeFalco
Atlanta, GA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen MUSHEL / DIMBURT / ROSE GROSSMAN / ESTER GROSSMAN #general

bevphil <bevphil@...>
 

Looking for descendants of ;
Minnie & Morris MUSHEL, (>from New York area)
Rose GROSSMAN, "
Ester GROSSMAN,
Elizabeth ALPERT, "
Golda DIMBURT, (>from Tel Aviv or Haifa, Israel)
Josef DIMBURT "

Relatives of my mother's (Mae Brown DeFalco) sister.

Felix DeFalco
Atlanta, GA


Family reaction #general

debjkay <debjkay@...>
 

<< I've been so excited about all my discoveries, as well as thrilled to
hear of other family's searches--thrilled to the point where I feel such
a deep Jewish identity!--that it's beginning to hurt me not to be able to
share these discoveries with the remaining living members of my family.
An irony or just another familiar story? Maybe I'm just upset about
what "family" is. Or isn't. >>

I have been reading various replys to the above message during the weekend,
and thought about my own mixed, mostly lukewarm reactions >from family
(including my kids, one of whom gave me a poster "Genealogy--where you
confuse the dead and irritate the living), but also I have "met", in person,
by telephone and mail, some people, mostly elderly, who are quite delighted,
including an older relative (85+) who only found out his grandmother's name
from me.
Then, one of the "moments" we all wait for occurred--after several months of
exchanging email with people in Australia, many "I think I know someone who
knew someone..." I just got an email >from a branch of my family "lost" for
70 years, >from an ecstatic woman whose mother, my great-grandmother's
sister, had died when she was young--I had found her, and _she_ had found her
family, not just me, but individuals I could direct her to who are her_first_
cousins, still alive. They are in Canada and Israel, and needless to say,
never would have found each other otherwise.

So, the answer, I think, in my never to be humble opinion is this--we have
our own personal successes, and then, every once in a while, something
amazing.

Hang in there.

Debra Kay
debjkay@msn.com
Simi Valley, Ca


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Family reaction #general

debjkay <debjkay@...>
 

<< I've been so excited about all my discoveries, as well as thrilled to
hear of other family's searches--thrilled to the point where I feel such
a deep Jewish identity!--that it's beginning to hurt me not to be able to
share these discoveries with the remaining living members of my family.
An irony or just another familiar story? Maybe I'm just upset about
what "family" is. Or isn't. >>

I have been reading various replys to the above message during the weekend,
and thought about my own mixed, mostly lukewarm reactions >from family
(including my kids, one of whom gave me a poster "Genealogy--where you
confuse the dead and irritate the living), but also I have "met", in person,
by telephone and mail, some people, mostly elderly, who are quite delighted,
including an older relative (85+) who only found out his grandmother's name
from me.
Then, one of the "moments" we all wait for occurred--after several months of
exchanging email with people in Australia, many "I think I know someone who
knew someone..." I just got an email >from a branch of my family "lost" for
70 years, >from an ecstatic woman whose mother, my great-grandmother's
sister, had died when she was young--I had found her, and _she_ had found her
family, not just me, but individuals I could direct her to who are her_first_
cousins, still alive. They are in Canada and Israel, and needless to say,
never would have found each other otherwise.

So, the answer, I think, in my never to be humble opinion is this--we have
our own personal successes, and then, every once in a while, something
amazing.

Hang in there.

Debra Kay
debjkay@msn.com
Simi Valley, Ca


1900 jobs and salaries in New York #general

Edward Rosenbaum <erosenbaum@...>
 

Does anyone have a list of jobs and salaries that our immigrant ancestors
may have had in New York City around 1900? To go along with this, does
anyone have a list of typical prices for various goods?

Thanks you very much.

Edward Rosenbaum
Bergenfield, NJ
Webmaster, Belarus SIG ( http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus )
President, JGS of Bergen County, New Jersey
email: erosenbaum@mail.com

Moderator Note: Second URL deleted as it was not accessible when checked.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen 1900 jobs and salaries in New York #general

Edward Rosenbaum <erosenbaum@...>
 

Does anyone have a list of jobs and salaries that our immigrant ancestors
may have had in New York City around 1900? To go along with this, does
anyone have a list of typical prices for various goods?

Thanks you very much.

Edward Rosenbaum
Bergenfield, NJ
Webmaster, Belarus SIG ( http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus )
President, JGS of Bergen County, New Jersey
email: erosenbaum@mail.com

Moderator Note: Second URL deleted as it was not accessible when checked.


Re: Reaching Out #ukraine

FREYAB@...
 

Dear Mark Saul,

Many of us found ourselves in this exact same spot. Contacting relatives who
do not know they are relatives can be disconcerting especially on the
receiving end.
I always included a genealogy chart showing that persons family in relation
to my own. You might also include the statement you made in your query -
"I have lists of names, and even addresses, of distant
relatives in America whom I would like to contact. My
grandparents knew their grandparents, my parents
corresponded with their parents, but time has passed
and I don't know them or their adult children. "

Also include your telephone number and most importantly - a self addressed
stamped envelope (or international postal coupon).
This is what worked for me and I rarely had a problem with anyone questioning
my intentions.

Sincerely,
Freya Blitstein Maslov
Morton Grove, IL


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Reaching Out #ukraine

FREYAB@...
 

Dear Mark Saul,

Many of us found ourselves in this exact same spot. Contacting relatives who
do not know they are relatives can be disconcerting especially on the
receiving end.
I always included a genealogy chart showing that persons family in relation
to my own. You might also include the statement you made in your query -
"I have lists of names, and even addresses, of distant
relatives in America whom I would like to contact. My
grandparents knew their grandparents, my parents
corresponded with their parents, but time has passed
and I don't know them or their adult children. "

Also include your telephone number and most importantly - a self addressed
stamped envelope (or international postal coupon).
This is what worked for me and I rarely had a problem with anyone questioning
my intentions.

Sincerely,
Freya Blitstein Maslov
Morton Grove, IL


Re: Fraternal Significant Tie Tack or Lapel Pin? #general

Susan&David
 

Hello Shmuel: KSBA probably stands for Kishinev Sick & Benvolent Association

David Rosen
Boston, MA

Shmuel Fisher wrote:

Dear Genners,

This morning thinking about this lapel pin the year 1903 struck home.
The family story was that my father came >from Kishinev(the K). 1903 was
the year of the progrom.
Therefore, was there any organization in the USA that commemorated the
progrom that had the initials, KSBA?
Shmuel Fisher
mailto:Shmuel@deltanet.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Fraternal Significant Tie Tack or Lapel Pin? #general

Susan&David
 

Hello Shmuel: KSBA probably stands for Kishinev Sick & Benvolent Association

David Rosen
Boston, MA

Shmuel Fisher wrote:

Dear Genners,

This morning thinking about this lapel pin the year 1903 struck home.
The family story was that my father came >from Kishinev(the K). 1903 was
the year of the progrom.
Therefore, was there any organization in the USA that commemorated the
progrom that had the initials, KSBA?
Shmuel Fisher
mailto:Shmuel@deltanet.com


Portuguese Translation Help Needed = ViewMate file VM106 #general

BQLdc@...
 

I would greatly appreciate help with translation of ViewMate file VM 106.
This document, in Portuguese, is approximately 300 years old (Hebrew year
5459.) It bears the signature of my ancestor, Aron Querido. Thanks for
your help.

Bradford Querido Levine
BQLdc@aol.com

Moderator Note: The URL for the ViewMate page is:
http://www.JewishGen.org/Viewmate/toview.html


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Portuguese Translation Help Needed = ViewMate file VM106 #general

BQLdc@...
 

I would greatly appreciate help with translation of ViewMate file VM 106.
This document, in Portuguese, is approximately 300 years old (Hebrew year
5459.) It bears the signature of my ancestor, Aron Querido. Thanks for
your help.

Bradford Querido Levine
BQLdc@aol.com

Moderator Note: The URL for the ViewMate page is:
http://www.JewishGen.org/Viewmate/toview.html


Disinterest of Family Members #general

Carol Rombro Rider
 

<< I've been so excited about all my discoveries, as well as thrilled to
hear of other family's searchs--thrilled to the point where I feel such
a deep Jewish identity!--that it's beginning to hurt me not to be able to
share these discoveries with the remaining living members of my family.
An irony or just another familiar story? Maybe I'm just upset about
what "family" is. Or isn't. >>

I think all of this on this group empathize with you; we have all been
in your situation. It is sometimes difficult to be the only one in your
family jumping up and down with joy when you have made a discovery. Many
years ago I attended a lecture given by Arthur Kurzwiel, who told a story
when he first began his research. He was sitting in an archive when
someone jumped up shouting, thrilled that they had just discovered a
connection with their family and Abraham Lincoln. At the time, he didn't
understand what they were so excited about.

All of us on this group enjoy hearing how others have made wonderful
connections. This is the heart and soul of genealogy and why we do it.
Remember that you can always share it with us, your "other" family!

Carol Rombro Rider
Baltimore, Maryland
CRomRider@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Disinterest of Family Members #general

Carol Rombro Rider
 

<< I've been so excited about all my discoveries, as well as thrilled to
hear of other family's searchs--thrilled to the point where I feel such
a deep Jewish identity!--that it's beginning to hurt me not to be able to
share these discoveries with the remaining living members of my family.
An irony or just another familiar story? Maybe I'm just upset about
what "family" is. Or isn't. >>

I think all of this on this group empathize with you; we have all been
in your situation. It is sometimes difficult to be the only one in your
family jumping up and down with joy when you have made a discovery. Many
years ago I attended a lecture given by Arthur Kurzwiel, who told a story
when he first began his research. He was sitting in an archive when
someone jumped up shouting, thrilled that they had just discovered a
connection with their family and Abraham Lincoln. At the time, he didn't
understand what they were so excited about.

All of us on this group enjoy hearing how others have made wonderful
connections. This is the heart and soul of genealogy and why we do it.
Remember that you can always share it with us, your "other" family!

Carol Rombro Rider
Baltimore, Maryland
CRomRider@aol.com