Dear Richard,
Although I am not a SPECTOR, I do have a Stavische connection that might be
of interest. There was a family of SPECTORS in Stavische that is indirectly
related to my KORSUNSKY or KARSUNSKY family. I do know that one scion of
the family went to London around the same time as my grandfather, Sholom
KORSUNSKY. His name was Lazar SPSECTOR. He and his father were Rabbis. In
fact, my GGfather,Velvel KORSUNSKY, ordained Lazars father, who went on to
officiate at the Chuppa of Velvel's daughter! Just in case she did not see
your posting, I am forwarding it on to Ida Schwartz, who is actively
researching the SPECTORS of Stavische. Other families linked to my
KORSUNSKY's are BERNSTEIN, MAZUR, LIDJINSKY, LOYEV.
Please let me know if Ida could help you.

Sheila Toffell

Original Message
From: richard fink <richardelliotfink@hotmail.com>
Subject: [ukraine] Looking for SPECTOR/BAIN

Dear Richard,
Although I am not a SPECTOR, I do have a Stavische connection that might be
of interest. There was a family of SPECTORS in Stavische that is indirectly
related to my KORSUNSKY or KARSUNSKY family. I do know that one scion of
the family went to London around the same time as my grandfather, Sholom
KORSUNSKY. His name was Lazar SPSECTOR. He and his father were Rabbis. In
fact, my GGfather,Velvel KORSUNSKY, ordained Lazars father, who went on to
officiate at the Chuppa of Velvel's daughter! Just in case she did not see
your posting, I am forwarding it on to Ida Schwartz, who is actively
researching the SPECTORS of Stavische. Other families linked to my
KORSUNSKY's are BERNSTEIN, MAZUR, LIDJINSKY, LOYEV.
Please let me know if Ida could help you.

Sheila Toffell

Original Message
From: richard fink <richardelliotfink@hotmail.com>
Subject: [ukraine] Looking for SPECTOR/BAIN

As Yelisavetograd has been of much interest recently, I thought I would see
if anyone has connections to the family BREZHNEV, or BREZHENEV, who came

from thereabouts. First names include Channa, Chrayne, YItzhak, Leah (my

MGM), Sima, Yanni (diminutive, I think). Yanni was known to have returned
to the area after a brief stint in London, where most of the family went
in 1906. Possibly he went to Berdichev, but I'm not sure.

Sheila Toffell

Searching for, in the Ukraine:
KARSUNSKY / KORSUNSKY Stavische and Tarasche
BREZHENEV / BREZHNEV Yelisavetograd (Kirovograd)
In Poland:
LAKUMSKI Skulsk
RAFELSKI / RAVELSKI General Lodz area
TOFFEL Opole Lubielski, Josefow nad Wista

As Yelisavetograd has been of much interest recently, I thought I would see
if anyone has connections to the family BREZHNEV, or BREZHENEV, who came

from thereabouts. First names include Channa, Chrayne, YItzhak, Leah (my

MGM), Sima, Yanni (diminutive, I think). Yanni was known to have returned
to the area after a brief stint in London, where most of the family went
in 1906. Possibly he went to Berdichev, but I'm not sure.

Sheila Toffell

Searching for, in the Ukraine:
KARSUNSKY / KORSUNSKY Stavische and Tarasche
BREZHENEV / BREZHNEV Yelisavetograd (Kirovograd)
In Poland:
LAKUMSKI Skulsk
RAFELSKI / RAVELSKI General Lodz area
TOFFEL Opole Lubielski, Josefow nad Wista

Re this question: The create-tree option at MyFamily.com allows for the
site administrator -- in this case Ms. Goldsmith presumably -- to give
"permissions" to the family members wanting to add information.

In other words, the tree option at MyFamily.com has "input" screens
available to those with permission.

In lecturing on this capability, I was questioned as to:

what if somebody wants to steal your tree?
or put up wrong information?

Well, notification to the site administrator of new input enables the
administrator to download anything objectionable and replace it with the
previous version >from the site administrator's hard drive.

Nobody can steal anything because everybody with access has express
permission that can always be withdrawn.

It's an exciting tool -- once one has specified "user preferences" and
turned off all annoying options, such as "Weekly travel newsletter?" etc.
[http://www.myfamily.com]

Family Tree Maker software is even easier to use but lacks the advantages of
being built into the family web page. Anyone adding data could E-mail it to
the family member in charge. It could be merged with the main file and
uploaded to the family site on FamilyTreeMaker.

In an effort to become more competitive with MyFamily.com, FamilyTreeMaker
has added enormous power to its user web pages. Many trees are allowed per
user, as well as multiple reports, photos, and a section for favorite links.

Ms. Goldsmith -- and anyone else -- is welcome to take a look:

http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/r/o/g/Susan-M-Rogers-NY/index.html

Susan M. Rogers
Researching:
UBERSTINE, Ostroshitskiy Gorodok, goberniya Minskaya, Belarus, 1901 to US
SIMON, Brest Litovsk, Grodno goberniya (now Belarus), 1886 to US
POLACZEK, Lida, Lida, Vilna goberniya, now Belarus, 1905 to US
DEUTSCH, Tryskiai [Trishik], Shavli Uyezd, Kovno guberniya, now Lithuania,
1906 to US
http://www.cousinsplus.com
CousinsPlus Family History Web Page Design Center
New York, NY

Re this question: The create-tree option at MyFamily.com allows for the
site administrator -- in this case Ms. Goldsmith presumably -- to give
"permissions" to the family members wanting to add information.

In other words, the tree option at MyFamily.com has "input" screens
available to those with permission.

In lecturing on this capability, I was questioned as to:

what if somebody wants to steal your tree?
or put up wrong information?

Well, notification to the site administrator of new input enables the
administrator to download anything objectionable and replace it with the
previous version >from the site administrator's hard drive.

Nobody can steal anything because everybody with access has express
permission that can always be withdrawn.

It's an exciting tool -- once one has specified "user preferences" and
turned off all annoying options, such as "Weekly travel newsletter?" etc.
[http://www.myfamily.com]

Family Tree Maker software is even easier to use but lacks the advantages of
being built into the family web page. Anyone adding data could E-mail it to
the family member in charge. It could be merged with the main file and
uploaded to the family site on FamilyTreeMaker.

In an effort to become more competitive with MyFamily.com, FamilyTreeMaker
has added enormous power to its user web pages. Many trees are allowed per
user, as well as multiple reports, photos, and a section for favorite links.

Ms. Goldsmith -- and anyone else -- is welcome to take a look:

http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/r/o/g/Susan-M-Rogers-NY/index.html

Susan M. Rogers
Researching:
UBERSTINE, Ostroshitskiy Gorodok, goberniya Minskaya, Belarus, 1901 to US
SIMON, Brest Litovsk, Grodno goberniya (now Belarus), 1886 to US
POLACZEK, Lida, Lida, Vilna goberniya, now Belarus, 1905 to US
DEUTSCH, Tryskiai [Trishik], Shavli Uyezd, Kovno guberniya, now Lithuania,
1906 to US
http://www.cousinsplus.com
CousinsPlus Family History Web Page Design Center
New York, NY

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Oregon (JGSO) invites you to JGSO's
November meeting.

Date: Wednesday, November 15, 2000
Time: 7:30 pm to 9:00 pm
Place: Mittleman Jewish Community Center (MJCC)
6651 SW Capitol Highway
Portland, Oregon

The meeting featuring a presentation on:

Family Heritage Photo Albums
presented by Julie Brophy

Julie is a Creative Memories Consultant and a member of JGSO. She will talk
about and demonstrate:

* Safely preserving family photos and documents
* Meaningfully presenting photos and memorabilia
* Tips for organizing and arranging your album
* Album choices, mounting options, and decorating options
* Actual Heritage albums and suggested materials for starting one

This is a free event. Light refreshments will be available.

For more information or questions, call Abby Menashe, JGSO, 245-5196, or
email rondoctor@qwest.net.

For more information about JGSO and its activities, visit the JGSO web site
at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~orjgs

To be placed on JGS of Oregon's e-mail distribution list, send an e-mail
message to rondoctor@qwest.net. Once you are on the list, you will receive
periodic messages concerning Jewish Genealogy. Your name and e-mail
address will not be distributed outside of JGS of Oregon.

The JGSO is a part of the Mittleman Jewish Community Center and is
affiliated with the International Association of Jewish Genealogical
Societies (IAJGS).

Ron Doctor
President, JGS Oregon
Portland, Oregon USA

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Oregon (JGSO) invites you to JGSO's
November meeting.

Date: Wednesday, November 15, 2000
Time: 7:30 pm to 9:00 pm
Place: Mittleman Jewish Community Center (MJCC)
6651 SW Capitol Highway
Portland, Oregon

The meeting featuring a presentation on:

Family Heritage Photo Albums
presented by Julie Brophy

Julie is a Creative Memories Consultant and a member of JGSO. She will talk
about and demonstrate:

* Safely preserving family photos and documents
* Meaningfully presenting photos and memorabilia
* Tips for organizing and arranging your album
* Album choices, mounting options, and decorating options
* Actual Heritage albums and suggested materials for starting one

This is a free event. Light refreshments will be available.

For more information or questions, call Abby Menashe, JGSO, 245-5196, or
email rondoctor@qwest.net.

For more information about JGSO and its activities, visit the JGSO web site
at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~orjgs

To be placed on JGS of Oregon's e-mail distribution list, send an e-mail
message to rondoctor@qwest.net. Once you are on the list, you will receive
periodic messages concerning Jewish Genealogy. Your name and e-mail
address will not be distributed outside of JGS of Oregon.

The JGSO is a part of the Mittleman Jewish Community Center and is
affiliated with the International Association of Jewish Genealogical
Societies (IAJGS).

Ron Doctor
President, JGS Oregon
Portland, Oregon USA

Dear Moderator,
It would be of interest to many Jewishgenners, I think, to know of
software that cousins working in different locations on a family tree could
share. You had asked that responses be private. Would you reconsider?
Perhaps there are reasons for your response that I am not aware of, being a
relatively new Jewishgenner.
Thank you.
Sincerely,
Susan M. Goldsmith
Piedmont, CA
jcwsmg@sprintmail.com
GOLDSMITH, GOLDSCHMIT,GOLDSHMIT, Seta, Kaunas, Jonava, Kedainiai, Ukmerge,
Vandziogala, Lithuania, Israel; GITTES, Adutiskis(nr Svencionys), Lithuania,
NY,NY; HOROWICZ, HOROWITZ, LEISERSON, DROSNAN, Dolginovo(nr Minsk), Belarus;
TOBIAS, KAMINSKY, SLOTNICK, Novyy Sverzhen(nr Stoibtsy), Belarus; WAXMAN,
Sandomierz, Poland, NY, NY; KOENIGSBERG, Galicia, Koenigsberg,Ger.,
Sandomierz, Poland, NY, NY; HAFFNER, DAVIS, Botosani, Romania, Pittsburgh,
Pa.;

Note >from moderator: SIG members who are looking for information about
genealogy software programs should read Warren Blatt's FAQ
http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/faq.html#Computers.
Messages about the pros and cons of different genealogy
software programs should be discussed in private email exchanges.

Dear Moderator,
It would be of interest to many Jewishgenners, I think, to know of
software that cousins working in different locations on a family tree could
share. You had asked that responses be private. Would you reconsider?
Perhaps there are reasons for your response that I am not aware of, being a
relatively new Jewishgenner.
Thank you.
Sincerely,
Susan M. Goldsmith
Piedmont, CA
jcwsmg@sprintmail.com
GOLDSMITH, GOLDSCHMIT,GOLDSHMIT, Seta, Kaunas, Jonava, Kedainiai, Ukmerge,
Vandziogala, Lithuania, Israel; GITTES, Adutiskis(nr Svencionys), Lithuania,
NY,NY; HOROWICZ, HOROWITZ, LEISERSON, DROSNAN, Dolginovo(nr Minsk), Belarus;
TOBIAS, KAMINSKY, SLOTNICK, Novyy Sverzhen(nr Stoibtsy), Belarus; WAXMAN,
Sandomierz, Poland, NY, NY; KOENIGSBERG, Galicia, Koenigsberg,Ger.,
Sandomierz, Poland, NY, NY; HAFFNER, DAVIS, Botosani, Romania, Pittsburgh,
Pa.;

Note >from moderator: SIG members who are looking for information about
genealogy software programs should read Warren Blatt's FAQ
http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/faq.html#Computers.
Messages about the pros and cons of different genealogy
software programs should be discussed in private email exchanges.

There is a Dr. Rich who teaches Education at Bar-Ilan University living in
Petach Tikva. I am not really friendly with him but he is an ex-American
and perhaps has some relationship to you. You could write to him at the
School of Education at Bar-Ilan University, 52900 Ramat Gan, Israel.

Gilda Kurtzman
gildak@zahav.net.il
Petach Tikva, Israel

Original Message
From: Toby Brief <tbrief@hotmail.com>
Subject: [ukraine] Haverhill, Ma: RICH, MICHELSON, FORMAN, HOLTZ, GREENSTEIN

There is a Dr. Rich who teaches Education at Bar-Ilan University living in
Petach Tikva. I am not really friendly with him but he is an ex-American
and perhaps has some relationship to you. You could write to him at the
School of Education at Bar-Ilan University, 52900 Ramat Gan, Israel.

Gilda Kurtzman
gildak@zahav.net.il
Petach Tikva, Israel

Original Message
From: Toby Brief <tbrief@hotmail.com>
Subject: [ukraine] Haverhill, Ma: RICH, MICHELSON, FORMAN, HOLTZ, GREENSTEIN

Can you tell me anything more about "Shileyskii meshchanin"? I've been
searching for SCHILLER/SHILLER >from Berdychev area and was directed to
towns with the names of Shili, Shily, or possibly Shileskii or variants.
Where is your Shileyskii? What status is "meshchanin"? I'm clutching at
straws at this point, hoping that some bits of data will begin to connect.

Thanks
Paula Schiller Gowans
Sydney, Australia

Re: Shileyskoy Msoshchanskog

Hi Mitzi,
In the old Russian documents the name of a person was usually followed by
what status he/she had and in what place that status was given. One of the
statuses was "meshchanin" and such a person >from Kiev would be designated
as "Kievskii meshchanin". In your case it may be Shileyskii meshchanin.

Mark

Can you tell me anything more about "Shileyskii meshchanin"? I've been
searching for SCHILLER/SHILLER >from Berdychev area and was directed to
towns with the names of Shili, Shily, or possibly Shileskii or variants.
Where is your Shileyskii? What status is "meshchanin"? I'm clutching at
straws at this point, hoping that some bits of data will begin to connect.

Thanks
Paula Schiller Gowans
Sydney, Australia

Re: Shileyskoy Msoshchanskog

Hi Mitzi,
In the old Russian documents the name of a person was usually followed by
what status he/she had and in what place that status was given. One of the
statuses was "meshchanin" and such a person >from Kiev would be designated
as "Kievskii meshchanin". In your case it may be Shileyskii meshchanin.

Mark

In a message dated 11/8/00 10:14:51 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Caitlyn O'Connell of Studio City, CA writes:

My family is >from Elizavetgrad, or Yelisevetgrad as you called it. The
maiden name is BRODSKY and they too emigrated to Canada, though I am
unsure where. If this sounds familiar to you, I can provide more
information.

Hello Caitlin:
Sorry, the name Brodsky doesn't ring a bell regarding my mother's
family. The only other name on that side of the family other than
SASLOVSKY would be my maternal grandmother's maiden name - TORGOVITSKY.
Does that register at all?

Harvey Levin
Huntington Beach, CA

In a message dated 11/8/00 10:14:51 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Caitlyn O'Connell of Studio City, CA writes:

My family is >from Elizavetgrad, or Yelisevetgrad as you called it. The
maiden name is BRODSKY and they too emigrated to Canada, though I am
unsure where. If this sounds familiar to you, I can provide more
information.

Hello Caitlin:
Sorry, the name Brodsky doesn't ring a bell regarding my mother's
family. The only other name on that side of the family other than
SASLOVSKY would be my maternal grandmother's maiden name - TORGOVITSKY.
Does that register at all?

Harvey Levin
Huntington Beach, CA

Dear genners,
My great-grand mother: Batya ROSENBLUM and her daughter: Katya/Chasya
(probably with her own family) were killed by the Nazis in 1942 with 14,000
Simferopol's Jews.
Obviously it is very important for me to know as much what happened there.
Thank you for any information about those dark days.

Herut Shlomoff, Israel
heruts@netvision.net.il

Searching:
KAPAROVSKY, ORSHANSKY, BAKST >from Rechitsa/Belarus, Yaketerinoslav/Ukraine
ROSENBLUM, ROCHBERG >from Simferopol/Ukraine, Skvira/Ukraine
GERSHENGORN >from Kherson/Ukraine

Dear genners,
My great-grand mother: Batya ROSENBLUM and her daughter: Katya/Chasya
(probably with her own family) were killed by the Nazis in 1942 with 14,000
Simferopol's Jews.
Obviously it is very important for me to know as much what happened there.
Thank you for any information about those dark days.

Herut Shlomoff, Israel
heruts@netvision.net.il

Searching:
KAPAROVSKY, ORSHANSKY, BAKST >from Rechitsa/Belarus, Yaketerinoslav/Ukraine
ROSENBLUM, ROCHBERG >from Simferopol/Ukraine, Skvira/Ukraine
GERSHENGORN >from Kherson/Ukraine

Today is the anniversary of KRYSTALLNACHT [10 November 1938].
Over 2000 synagogues in Germany were destroyed in the second WW.
However a digital reconstruction of many of these synagogues can be
experienced, [some in virtual 3-D projection], by visiting the
following web site


http://www.cad.architektur.tu-darmstadt.de/synagogen/inter/menu.html


Herb Epstein

heastern@netline.com.au

Melbourne, Australia

Today is the anniversary of KRYSTALLNACHT [10 November 1938].
Over 2000 synagogues in Germany were destroyed in the second WW.
However a digital reconstruction of many of these synagogues can be
experienced, [some in virtual 3-D projection], by visiting the
following web site


http://www.cad.architektur.tu-darmstadt.de/synagogen/inter/menu.html


Herb Epstein

heastern@netline.com.au

Melbourne, Australia