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Update on "List o zagladzie Zydow w Drohobyczu" #galicia

Carole Feinberg <feincgs@...>
 

Dear Friends,

A dear friend, fellow genealogist and Boryslawer, Alex Sharon, sends us
the following, >from his friend who viewed "List o zagladzie Zydow w
Drohobyczu" in a Toronto library:

"[This] book does not contain any names at all. This is basically a general
statistical summary which in 15 pages lists population figures of Jewish
Drohobycz and dates of the population's annihilation, dates and number of
transports of Jewish people to concentration camps and murdered locally by
the subsequent German Aktzions. As for example the author records that the
Drohobycz population was 38,000 souls prior to WWII with 19,000 Jews. But
there are no individual names listed."

Thanks to Alex and his friend for this information. Thanks also to the
several people who expressed an interest in this book, those who helped
locate the book in the various libraries around the world or offered to
do research for us.

I'm sorry this source didn't provide the genealogical details we are all
seeking.

Best wishes.

Carole Glick Feinberg
Atlanta, GA, USA
<feincgs@mindspring.com>


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Update on "List o zagladzie Zydow w Drohobyczu" #galicia

Carole Feinberg <feincgs@...>
 

Dear Friends,

A dear friend, fellow genealogist and Boryslawer, Alex Sharon, sends us
the following, >from his friend who viewed "List o zagladzie Zydow w
Drohobyczu" in a Toronto library:

"[This] book does not contain any names at all. This is basically a general
statistical summary which in 15 pages lists population figures of Jewish
Drohobycz and dates of the population's annihilation, dates and number of
transports of Jewish people to concentration camps and murdered locally by
the subsequent German Aktzions. As for example the author records that the
Drohobycz population was 38,000 souls prior to WWII with 19,000 Jews. But
there are no individual names listed."

Thanks to Alex and his friend for this information. Thanks also to the
several people who expressed an interest in this book, those who helped
locate the book in the various libraries around the world or offered to
do research for us.

I'm sorry this source didn't provide the genealogical details we are all
seeking.

Best wishes.

Carole Glick Feinberg
Atlanta, GA, USA
<feincgs@mindspring.com>


Everyone an Adolph! KESLER,GERSTLER, REITZES from Lemberg #galicia

David Rose (Private) <DavidR@...>
 

I live in London. My parents were born in Manchester. My father's mother,
Sadie born c1895 came to Liverpool in c1903 >from Lemberg at the age of 8

In 1985 when my Grandmother was already mentally frail I asked her to tell
me about her past.

She told me that her mother's name was Golda REITZES (other family members
seem to think her maiden name was ARBIS) and her Father's name was David
KESLER (It is possible that he changed it >from GERSTLER when he came to
England) David Kesler was born in c1869 in Lemberg and died 3.11.1929 in
Cheetham Manchester. He lived at Faraday Avenue Cheetham.

It is thought that David and Golda are buried in Rice Lane Cemetery in
Liverpool.

According to my Grandma's account the family had a house in Lemberg. They
lived in or near CARLOTTA street where there was a taxi rank.

David KESLER was a ladies couturier. The REITZES family were railway
officials and one member of the family, Adolph Reitzes was "well to do". My
father was named Adolph but changed it to Arthur when he joined the British
air force. My Grandma said that every family had an Adolph!

Golda and David had 7 children
Sadie - had an antique silverware stall in Atrincham Market for many years
Adolph a "clapper" lived in Manchester
Ida - emigrated to the USA
Harry - a Jeweller
Alf - he emigrated to the USA
2 died in infancy

I would be interested to hear >from anyone who could throw light on the
family tree or could confirm that there was a Carlotta Street in Lemberg.

David Rose
London, England
<DavidR@cccl.co.uk>


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Everyone an Adolph! KESLER,GERSTLER, REITZES from Lemberg #galicia

David Rose (Private) <DavidR@...>
 

I live in London. My parents were born in Manchester. My father's mother,
Sadie born c1895 came to Liverpool in c1903 >from Lemberg at the age of 8

In 1985 when my Grandmother was already mentally frail I asked her to tell
me about her past.

She told me that her mother's name was Golda REITZES (other family members
seem to think her maiden name was ARBIS) and her Father's name was David
KESLER (It is possible that he changed it >from GERSTLER when he came to
England) David Kesler was born in c1869 in Lemberg and died 3.11.1929 in
Cheetham Manchester. He lived at Faraday Avenue Cheetham.

It is thought that David and Golda are buried in Rice Lane Cemetery in
Liverpool.

According to my Grandma's account the family had a house in Lemberg. They
lived in or near CARLOTTA street where there was a taxi rank.

David KESLER was a ladies couturier. The REITZES family were railway
officials and one member of the family, Adolph Reitzes was "well to do". My
father was named Adolph but changed it to Arthur when he joined the British
air force. My Grandma said that every family had an Adolph!

Golda and David had 7 children
Sadie - had an antique silverware stall in Atrincham Market for many years
Adolph a "clapper" lived in Manchester
Ida - emigrated to the USA
Harry - a Jeweller
Alf - he emigrated to the USA
2 died in infancy

I would be interested to hear >from anyone who could throw light on the
family tree or could confirm that there was a Carlotta Street in Lemberg.

David Rose
London, England
<DavidR@cccl.co.uk>


Follow Up to Posting on Drohobycz Holocaust Book #galicia

Carole Feinberg <feincgs@...>
 

Dear Friends,

Thanks to Renee Steinig (see below) and Richard Sapon-White for sending
the names of [some of] the libraries that hold the book, "List o
zagladzie Zydow w Drohobyczu"--"List of the Jews (who were) victims of
the Holocaust in Drohobycz".

Since there are so many repositories around the world, I am asking for
one or two volunteers to try to determine if the contents of this book
are helpful to those of us who are researching our Drohobycz
families. The title indicates the book was written in Polish.

We also understand the "List" is found in the Toronto University
library, which means there is the possibility that other repositories
have not listed this book with the OCLC (see below).

It is my hope that at least one person will undertake this project and
enlighten the rest of us as to the potential importance of the "List".
I will be happy to act as facilitator, if one is needed.

All inquiries and input are welcome.

Carole Glick Feinberg
Atlanta, GA, USA


Renee Steinig wrote:

According to OCLC's WorldCat, the book is also at the following
libraries:

CA
--
Hoover Institute
Los Angeles Public Library
Stanford University

CT
--
Central Connecticut State Univ.
Yale Univ.

DC
--
Liby of Congress
US Holocaust Memorial Museum

FL
--
Univ. of Florida

MA
--
Harvard Univ.


NY
--
Cornell Univ.
NY Public Library (microfiche)

OH
--
Hebrew Union College

PA
--
Alliance College
Univ Of Pittsburgh

Canada
------
Univ of Alberta

England
-------
Cambridge Univ
Univ of London
Oxford Univ.

Ireland
-------
Trinity Col, Dublin


Renee

Renee Steinig
RSteinig@suffolk.lib.ny.us


Carole Feinberg <feincgs@mindspring.com> wrote..

Have any Genners used Samuel Rothenberg's 1984 book, "List o zagladzie
Zydow w Drohobyczu", which translates to, "List of the Jews (who were)
victims of the Holocaust in Drohobycz"?

So far, this book has been located in the British Library (in London?)
and in the Toronto University library.


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Follow Up to Posting on Drohobycz Holocaust Book #galicia

Carole Feinberg <feincgs@...>
 

Dear Friends,

Thanks to Renee Steinig (see below) and Richard Sapon-White for sending
the names of [some of] the libraries that hold the book, "List o
zagladzie Zydow w Drohobyczu"--"List of the Jews (who were) victims of
the Holocaust in Drohobycz".

Since there are so many repositories around the world, I am asking for
one or two volunteers to try to determine if the contents of this book
are helpful to those of us who are researching our Drohobycz
families. The title indicates the book was written in Polish.

We also understand the "List" is found in the Toronto University
library, which means there is the possibility that other repositories
have not listed this book with the OCLC (see below).

It is my hope that at least one person will undertake this project and
enlighten the rest of us as to the potential importance of the "List".
I will be happy to act as facilitator, if one is needed.

All inquiries and input are welcome.

Carole Glick Feinberg
Atlanta, GA, USA


Renee Steinig wrote:

According to OCLC's WorldCat, the book is also at the following
libraries:

CA
--
Hoover Institute
Los Angeles Public Library
Stanford University

CT
--
Central Connecticut State Univ.
Yale Univ.

DC
--
Liby of Congress
US Holocaust Memorial Museum

FL
--
Univ. of Florida

MA
--
Harvard Univ.


NY
--
Cornell Univ.
NY Public Library (microfiche)

OH
--
Hebrew Union College

PA
--
Alliance College
Univ Of Pittsburgh

Canada
------
Univ of Alberta

England
-------
Cambridge Univ
Univ of London
Oxford Univ.

Ireland
-------
Trinity Col, Dublin


Renee

Renee Steinig
RSteinig@suffolk.lib.ny.us


Carole Feinberg <feincgs@mindspring.com> wrote..

Have any Genners used Samuel Rothenberg's 1984 book, "List o zagladzie
Zydow w Drohobyczu", which translates to, "List of the Jews (who were)
victims of the Holocaust in Drohobycz"?

So far, this book has been located in the British Library (in London?)
and in the Toronto University library.


CT Cemetery Help #belarus

David Donn <ddonn@...>
 

If anyone can offer any assistance I would be most appreciative.

I am trying to locate a cemetery in CT "Waliska Society" (sp?) If anyone
can offer the correct spelling and/or research at the site please contact
me.

Thanks in advance.


David Donn
Researching:
Donn (>from Ukraine and Lithuania) Buchman (Belarus), Kushner (from
Austria, Siberia, Ukraine)

Yet another reminder >from the moderator: please tell us where you're from.
Thanks


Belarus SIG #Belarus CT Cemetery Help #belarus

David Donn <ddonn@...>
 

If anyone can offer any assistance I would be most appreciative.

I am trying to locate a cemetery in CT "Waliska Society" (sp?) If anyone
can offer the correct spelling and/or research at the site please contact
me.

Thanks in advance.


David Donn
Researching:
Donn (>from Ukraine and Lithuania) Buchman (Belarus), Kushner (from
Austria, Siberia, Ukraine)

Yet another reminder >from the moderator: please tell us where you're from.
Thanks


Re: Russian postage today? #belarus

Andrew N Schwartz <andys@...>
 

Here is yet another site devoted to international postal rate calculations:

http://postinfo.net/links/Postal_Rates_Calculators/

There is also a Russian site http://www.ipom.ru/index_eng.asp , but it is
worthless.

From: Hilary Henkin <hilary@proppersource.com>
I would like to send a letter to a possible relative in Russia. Although
I have
heard about "international postal reply coupons", I'd prefer to enclose a
self-addressed stamped envelope, because that would be simplest for the
recipient.
... Andy in St. Louis, researching ADASKIN


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Russian postage today? #belarus

Andrew N Schwartz <andys@...>
 

Here is yet another site devoted to international postal rate calculations:

http://postinfo.net/links/Postal_Rates_Calculators/

There is also a Russian site http://www.ipom.ru/index_eng.asp , but it is
worthless.

From: Hilary Henkin <hilary@proppersource.com>
I would like to send a letter to a possible relative in Russia. Although
I have
heard about "international postal reply coupons", I'd prefer to enclose a
self-addressed stamped envelope, because that would be simplest for the
recipient.
... Andy in St. Louis, researching ADASKIN


Berdichev Yizkor Book #ukraine

Udi Cain
 

To Berdichev researchers:
Previously unknown to me, and I suspect to many of you, there is a yizkor
book for Berdichev, in the form of a special issue of a serial
publication.
I obtained it today. It is 65 pages, and seems to include some family
histories, but not so far as I can tell a list. It is in Hebrew, which,
to
my shame, I am unable to read. I would like to hear >from anyone who is
willing to play a role in translation. I will be happy to provide copies.
--Steve Rosen, Bethesda, Maryland
Rosen20817@aol.com
Researching ROYZENTUR (Rosenthal) and BABCHUK (Vovchik) in Odessa and
Berdichev


Berdichev Yizkor Book
a special Berdichev issue of
Yalkut Volin: osef zikhronot u-teudot [Anthology of Volynia; collection of
memoirs and documents],
Tel Aviv, 1951
vol. 2, nos 12-13.
In Hebrew
Listed in Bibliography of Memorial Book for Jewish Communities in Soviet
Belorussia and SovietUkraine, in "The Holocaust In The Soviet
Union."(1993)

Dear Steve.

I would like to read that book. I'm looking for any Salasnik / Zalaznik,
from Berdichev, and if there were Trotskys' >from there. If I'll find
anything about your family, I'll translate for you.

Regards. Udi Cain.

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Would you be willing to translate the Yiskor Book for the availability of the JewishGen membership & readers? If so, you can contact Joyce Field at <jfield@indy.net>.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Berdichev Yizkor Book #ukraine

Udi Cain
 

To Berdichev researchers:
Previously unknown to me, and I suspect to many of you, there is a yizkor
book for Berdichev, in the form of a special issue of a serial
publication.
I obtained it today. It is 65 pages, and seems to include some family
histories, but not so far as I can tell a list. It is in Hebrew, which,
to
my shame, I am unable to read. I would like to hear >from anyone who is
willing to play a role in translation. I will be happy to provide copies.
--Steve Rosen, Bethesda, Maryland
Rosen20817@aol.com
Researching ROYZENTUR (Rosenthal) and BABCHUK (Vovchik) in Odessa and
Berdichev


Berdichev Yizkor Book
a special Berdichev issue of
Yalkut Volin: osef zikhronot u-teudot [Anthology of Volynia; collection of
memoirs and documents],
Tel Aviv, 1951
vol. 2, nos 12-13.
In Hebrew
Listed in Bibliography of Memorial Book for Jewish Communities in Soviet
Belorussia and SovietUkraine, in "The Holocaust In The Soviet
Union."(1993)

Dear Steve.

I would like to read that book. I'm looking for any Salasnik / Zalaznik,
from Berdichev, and if there were Trotskys' >from there. If I'll find
anything about your family, I'll translate for you.

Regards. Udi Cain.

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Would you be willing to translate the Yiskor Book for the availability of the JewishGen membership & readers? If so, you can contact Joyce Field at <jfield@indy.net>.


CT Cemetery Help. #ukraine

David Donn <ddonn@...>
 

If anyone can offer any assistance I would be most appreciative.

I am trying to locate a cemetery in CT "Waliska Society" (sp?) If anyone
can offer the correct spelling and/or research at the site please contact
me.

Thanks in advance.


David Donn
Researching:
Donn (>from Ukraine and Lithuania) Buchman (Belarus), Kushner (from
Austria, Siberia, Ukraine)


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine CT Cemetery Help. #ukraine

David Donn <ddonn@...>
 

If anyone can offer any assistance I would be most appreciative.

I am trying to locate a cemetery in CT "Waliska Society" (sp?) If anyone
can offer the correct spelling and/or research at the site please contact
me.

Thanks in advance.


David Donn
Researching:
Donn (>from Ukraine and Lithuania) Buchman (Belarus), Kushner (from
Austria, Siberia, Ukraine)


Yeshiva Students List? #lithuania

Ronald S. Subotnick <boxez@...>
 

My Great Uncle, Samuel (Shumel) Brenner may have been a student at the
historical Slobodka Yeshiva in Lithuania before immigrating to the USA
as a young man around the year 1905. He was a Mitnagdic scholar and had
a great influence on me while I was growing up.

He told me about the dispute between the Hasidic movement and the
followers of the Gaon of Vilna and his most famous student, Rabbi
Chaim of Volozhin, when I was about 10 years old. This left a lasting
impression on me. When Shumel told a story, it was like being
transported back into time and actually being there. He had a
charismatic way of telling a story that connected me to the roots
of my family.

I asked the current Kamenetzky Rabbis if they had any lists of yeshiva students, but they did not reply. They are the current Rabbis of the Yeshiva of South Shore and contribute to the Project Genesis weekly parsha readings. They were also the founders of the Slobodka Yeshiva in Lithuania before it was destroyed by the Holocaust.

Since they did not reply, I was wondering if anybody had any
idea if there were lists of yeshiva students and how I might find them?
I am probably not the only one who might be interested in my question.
There may be useful historical information that may be contained in
these old records if they exist. Do they exist?

Ronald S. Subotnik


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Yeshiva Students List? #lithuania

Ronald S. Subotnick <boxez@...>
 

My Great Uncle, Samuel (Shumel) Brenner may have been a student at the
historical Slobodka Yeshiva in Lithuania before immigrating to the USA
as a young man around the year 1905. He was a Mitnagdic scholar and had
a great influence on me while I was growing up.

He told me about the dispute between the Hasidic movement and the
followers of the Gaon of Vilna and his most famous student, Rabbi
Chaim of Volozhin, when I was about 10 years old. This left a lasting
impression on me. When Shumel told a story, it was like being
transported back into time and actually being there. He had a
charismatic way of telling a story that connected me to the roots
of my family.

I asked the current Kamenetzky Rabbis if they had any lists of yeshiva students, but they did not reply. They are the current Rabbis of the Yeshiva of South Shore and contribute to the Project Genesis weekly parsha readings. They were also the founders of the Slobodka Yeshiva in Lithuania before it was destroyed by the Holocaust.

Since they did not reply, I was wondering if anybody had any
idea if there were lists of yeshiva students and how I might find them?
I am probably not the only one who might be interested in my question.
There may be useful historical information that may be contained in
these old records if they exist. Do they exist?

Ronald S. Subotnik


Re: Passports and Exit Visas #lithuania

Anatoly Chayesh <chayesh@...>
 

Howard Margol wrote November 23, 2000.
"I have been asked about the existence of passports and exit visas that may
be stored in the Kaunas Archive...".

The foreign passport and vihodnoe svidetel'stvo (exit certificate or "exit
visa") are the different documents.

The foreign passport was given out to the one who leaved for abroad temporarily, for example, to be treated, to learn, on trade businesses.
See "Vsja Rossija at 1902" (All Russia). St.Petersburg, 1902, department VII, page 182-183.

Vihodnoe svidetel'stvo (exit certificate) was given out out to those Jews, which leaved >from Russia for ever. See "Evreyskaya entziklopediya" (The Jewish Encyclopedia) in 16 volumes. St. Petersburg, 1908 -1913. Volume 7. Column
507.

Anatolij Chayesh St. Petersburg


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: Passports and Exit Visas #lithuania

Anatoly Chayesh <chayesh@...>
 

Howard Margol wrote November 23, 2000.
"I have been asked about the existence of passports and exit visas that may
be stored in the Kaunas Archive...".

The foreign passport and vihodnoe svidetel'stvo (exit certificate or "exit
visa") are the different documents.

The foreign passport was given out to the one who leaved for abroad temporarily, for example, to be treated, to learn, on trade businesses.
See "Vsja Rossija at 1902" (All Russia). St.Petersburg, 1902, department VII, page 182-183.

Vihodnoe svidetel'stvo (exit certificate) was given out out to those Jews, which leaved >from Russia for ever. See "Evreyskaya entziklopediya" (The Jewish Encyclopedia) in 16 volumes. St. Petersburg, 1908 -1913. Volume 7. Column
507.

Anatolij Chayesh St. Petersburg


Re: reaching out to family #ukraine

SiCanto@...
 

In a message dated 11/24/00 11:11:21 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
MSaul@compuserve.com writes:

<< Will a discreet note, mentioning my purposes and also the
above issues, do the trick? If I get no response, should
I cross the name of my list? >>
I'd suggest making your letter short and to the point. Include a
self-addressed, stamped envelope. Send a copy of a photo that you think they
might be interested in, or share a story(a flattering one) that your parents
told you about the "new" relative's grandparents. . . . . .

If you get no response, don't cross the name off your list. We can never
know what is going on in the life of the person we're writing to. If you
don't hear after a few months, try a phone call. That's what I did. I wrote
to a cousin that I hadn't seen for many, many years. He didn't answer. Over
the period of about a year, I wrote him several more times explaining some
personal things I thought he might be angry about. He still didn't answer.
I finally called. And he was very nice. I was so surprised. He also said
he works 6, sometimes 7 days a week. He also said he's not good at getting
back to people. But he took notes on the family history I gave him over the
phone. So I know he's interested.
Cheryl Kantor


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: reaching out to family #ukraine

SiCanto@...
 

In a message dated 11/24/00 11:11:21 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
MSaul@compuserve.com writes:

<< Will a discreet note, mentioning my purposes and also the
above issues, do the trick? If I get no response, should
I cross the name of my list? >>
I'd suggest making your letter short and to the point. Include a
self-addressed, stamped envelope. Send a copy of a photo that you think they
might be interested in, or share a story(a flattering one) that your parents
told you about the "new" relative's grandparents. . . . . .

If you get no response, don't cross the name off your list. We can never
know what is going on in the life of the person we're writing to. If you
don't hear after a few months, try a phone call. That's what I did. I wrote
to a cousin that I hadn't seen for many, many years. He didn't answer. Over
the period of about a year, I wrote him several more times explaining some
personal things I thought he might be angry about. He still didn't answer.
I finally called. And he was very nice. I was so surprised. He also said
he works 6, sometimes 7 days a week. He also said he's not good at getting
back to people. But he took notes on the family history I gave him over the
phone. So I know he's interested.
Cheryl Kantor