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Re: Why Jewish Genealogy? #general

Ellen Zyroff <ezyroff@...>
 

"Why Jewish genealogy..."

Conditioned by its history, the Jewish people is never sure and never secure
about the future. Yanked >from our surroundings and our extended and even
immediate families by crusaders, pogroms, Nazis, and other fascists, we lost
specific memory. Only collective memory was retained.

We know a bit about the broad strokes of history and we know were part of
it, but we’re not sure when, how, where. We yearn for the specifics. We
yearn to be the fly on the wall to observe the Jewish outer lives of our
forebears and to sense the Jewish inner lives which sustained them and
propelled them forward as Jews.

Some perceptions about three subsets of JewishGenners: I’ve observed that
Jewish genners married to non-Jews seem to be needing a touch stone in the
past to assure themselves they still are who they were. I’ve observed that
Jewish genners who are children of non-Jews often have a fascination about
their connectedness to a distinctly different and distinctly persecuted
people. For some Jewish Genners, genealogical pursuit has become their
religion, serving as surrogate for Judaism.

While in general some limbs on the world’s family trees intersect with major
historical events to a greater or lesser extent, every single one of our
genealogies is an exemplar of the vicissitudes of an entire people.

Many of us can trace back our families only two or three generations.
Further back than that, we have little certainly of the routes or timelines
of the migrations our ancestors undertook during the previous 2,000 years.
Few of us have the luxury of several lines of ancestors sitting still for
even five generations and leaving easy-to-follow tracks.

African-Americans in the U.S., an archetype of the cataclysmic dislocation
and disorientation of a people, have quite a few more generations in one
place than do most of the world’s Jews. Africans were taken >from their
tribal nations and lost much of their identity when thrust into slavery; the
70 Jews who went down to Egypt because of famine became a large, cohesive,
religiously separate nation while slaves. Like the displaced African
slaves, however, we Jews have been victims of a history which has labored to
separate us >from our roots.

David asks where the difference is or what difference it makes. It is true
that interest is strong for anyone who does genealogy. But as a group, we
Jewish Genners who live in history’s newest set of temporary havens, can
identify with the adopted child who has it good with his adopted family and
is grateful for that fact, but who, nevertheless, longs to know where he
came >from and the circumstances of the separation >from the birth parents
whom he knows he must resemble.

Only Jews returning to Israel have the satisfaction of knowing that even if
they haven’t filled in all the details of the generations, they have
successfully spanned the generations and come home for good.

Copyright 2000,
Ellen Zyroff
San Diego, California

#

...made me think of asking some of the larger questions which I raise
because I'm trying to understand the reason for the pursuit we are all
engaged in many with a great deal of fervor... other readers can help
answer. What is it we ultimately want to find? ...I ask these questions
seriously because Israel is at such a crossroad and my demented brain is too
small to know the answers and could use help >from those who also think about
such things.

With thanks

David Frey
dfrey@bigpond.net.au


Re: Nazi era stamp on Austrian marriage #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

The information stamped on Nazi German "Empire" certificates is a notice
that all Jewish men are named Israel and women are named Sara-it
officially takes away the first names which the people were actually
given.

I have a birth certificate of a family member >from Baden with the stamp
changing the name. A very pleasant man in the town where my family came
from sent the certificate to me, along with the one I requested, because
he wanted to explain what had happened and say that he disliked that
part of his past as much as I must. He was writing a history of the
Jewish Community of Kuelsheim, Baden although I never heard that he
finished it.

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Why Jewish Genealogy? #general

Ellen Zyroff <ezyroff@...>
 

"Why Jewish genealogy..."

Conditioned by its history, the Jewish people is never sure and never secure
about the future. Yanked >from our surroundings and our extended and even
immediate families by crusaders, pogroms, Nazis, and other fascists, we lost
specific memory. Only collective memory was retained.

We know a bit about the broad strokes of history and we know were part of
it, but we’re not sure when, how, where. We yearn for the specifics. We
yearn to be the fly on the wall to observe the Jewish outer lives of our
forebears and to sense the Jewish inner lives which sustained them and
propelled them forward as Jews.

Some perceptions about three subsets of JewishGenners: I’ve observed that
Jewish genners married to non-Jews seem to be needing a touch stone in the
past to assure themselves they still are who they were. I’ve observed that
Jewish genners who are children of non-Jews often have a fascination about
their connectedness to a distinctly different and distinctly persecuted
people. For some Jewish Genners, genealogical pursuit has become their
religion, serving as surrogate for Judaism.

While in general some limbs on the world’s family trees intersect with major
historical events to a greater or lesser extent, every single one of our
genealogies is an exemplar of the vicissitudes of an entire people.

Many of us can trace back our families only two or three generations.
Further back than that, we have little certainly of the routes or timelines
of the migrations our ancestors undertook during the previous 2,000 years.
Few of us have the luxury of several lines of ancestors sitting still for
even five generations and leaving easy-to-follow tracks.

African-Americans in the U.S., an archetype of the cataclysmic dislocation
and disorientation of a people, have quite a few more generations in one
place than do most of the world’s Jews. Africans were taken >from their
tribal nations and lost much of their identity when thrust into slavery; the
70 Jews who went down to Egypt because of famine became a large, cohesive,
religiously separate nation while slaves. Like the displaced African
slaves, however, we Jews have been victims of a history which has labored to
separate us >from our roots.

David asks where the difference is or what difference it makes. It is true
that interest is strong for anyone who does genealogy. But as a group, we
Jewish Genners who live in history’s newest set of temporary havens, can
identify with the adopted child who has it good with his adopted family and
is grateful for that fact, but who, nevertheless, longs to know where he
came >from and the circumstances of the separation >from the birth parents
whom he knows he must resemble.

Only Jews returning to Israel have the satisfaction of knowing that even if
they haven’t filled in all the details of the generations, they have
successfully spanned the generations and come home for good.

Copyright 2000,
Ellen Zyroff
San Diego, California

#

...made me think of asking some of the larger questions which I raise
because I'm trying to understand the reason for the pursuit we are all
engaged in many with a great deal of fervor... other readers can help
answer. What is it we ultimately want to find? ...I ask these questions
seriously because Israel is at such a crossroad and my demented brain is too
small to know the answers and could use help >from those who also think about
such things.

With thanks

David Frey
dfrey@bigpond.net.au


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Nazi era stamp on Austrian marriage #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

The information stamped on Nazi German "Empire" certificates is a notice
that all Jewish men are named Israel and women are named Sara-it
officially takes away the first names which the people were actually
given.

I have a birth certificate of a family member >from Baden with the stamp
changing the name. A very pleasant man in the town where my family came
from sent the certificate to me, along with the one I requested, because
he wanted to explain what had happened and say that he disliked that
part of his past as much as I must. He was writing a history of the
Jewish Community of Kuelsheim, Baden although I never heard that he
finished it.

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY


Announcing ShtetlSchleppers 2001 Schedules #usa

Paul W. Ginsburg <pginsburg@...>
 

Can you remember what you did when you first discovered the name of your
ancestral shtetl? Did you try to find it on a map, or did you know to go
right to JewishGen's Shtetlseeker where lo and behold, there it was with a
star marking the exact location. You may have looked at that spot over and
over and began to dream about going there yourself someday. If that has
been your dream, it can become reality. JewishGen ShtetlSchleppers can
take you there.

Let 2001 be the year when you will actually visit that shtetl of your
ancestry, walk in the footsteps of your parents, your grandparents, your
great grand parents . As the Talmudic saying goes..."if not now, when? Let
this be the year that "when" becomes "now".

Explore the itineraries which take you to a hub city, provide the best in
touring sites of Jewish interest, introduce you to local leaders and then,
with your own private guide/driver/translator, really **live** the dream.
visit the place where your family originated. To get a better idea of
making this work for you..
<http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlschleppers/>.

And what about London2001, the International Summer Seminar?

Whether your plans include visiting before or after, but definitely 'in
conjunction with' London2001, the International Jewish Genealogy Summer
Seminar, be sure to sign up early . You will not only be sure of reserving
space, but most importantly you'll allow plenty of time for productive
pre-research.

The plans and schedules for London2001 are now online and linked >from the
JewishGen home page. It's a tremendous program with more than enough to
meet every interest. Have you looked, have you made your conference or
hotel reservation? Before you make your airline reservations, come and take
a look at <http://www.jewishgen.org/London2001/travel.htm>

With advance planning and some smooth scheduling on the part of Joanna
Fletcher, JewishGen's ShtetlSchlepper Travel Manager it may be possible to
include London in the flight package for a pre- or post-conference
ShtetlSchlepper package enabling savings on airfares.

Finally, to accommodate those who have either already visited their
ancestral origins or have not yet reached that point in their research to
take that step, ShtetlSchleppers has created two or three-country cultural
tours where you can visit Prague & Vienna, or Prague, Vienna & Budapest,
all three known for their breathtaking architecture and richness of Jewish
history. It's all online awaiting your visit.

-scheduled group departures,
-customized independent travel,
-two or three country cultural tours, and finally
-favorable air fares >from most cities to London2001

So whatever your dreams, whatever your travel interests may be in
conjunction with the London conference, Let JewishGen ShtetlSchleppers take
you there!

<http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlschleppers/>

Paul W. Ginsburg
ShtetlSchleppers Project Manager
pginsburg@jewishgen.org


Early American SIG #USA Announcing ShtetlSchleppers 2001 Schedules #usa

Paul W. Ginsburg <pginsburg@...>
 

Can you remember what you did when you first discovered the name of your
ancestral shtetl? Did you try to find it on a map, or did you know to go
right to JewishGen's Shtetlseeker where lo and behold, there it was with a
star marking the exact location. You may have looked at that spot over and
over and began to dream about going there yourself someday. If that has
been your dream, it can become reality. JewishGen ShtetlSchleppers can
take you there.

Let 2001 be the year when you will actually visit that shtetl of your
ancestry, walk in the footsteps of your parents, your grandparents, your
great grand parents . As the Talmudic saying goes..."if not now, when? Let
this be the year that "when" becomes "now".

Explore the itineraries which take you to a hub city, provide the best in
touring sites of Jewish interest, introduce you to local leaders and then,
with your own private guide/driver/translator, really **live** the dream.
visit the place where your family originated. To get a better idea of
making this work for you..
<http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlschleppers/>.

And what about London2001, the International Summer Seminar?

Whether your plans include visiting before or after, but definitely 'in
conjunction with' London2001, the International Jewish Genealogy Summer
Seminar, be sure to sign up early . You will not only be sure of reserving
space, but most importantly you'll allow plenty of time for productive
pre-research.

The plans and schedules for London2001 are now online and linked >from the
JewishGen home page. It's a tremendous program with more than enough to
meet every interest. Have you looked, have you made your conference or
hotel reservation? Before you make your airline reservations, come and take
a look at <http://www.jewishgen.org/London2001/travel.htm>

With advance planning and some smooth scheduling on the part of Joanna
Fletcher, JewishGen's ShtetlSchlepper Travel Manager it may be possible to
include London in the flight package for a pre- or post-conference
ShtetlSchlepper package enabling savings on airfares.

Finally, to accommodate those who have either already visited their
ancestral origins or have not yet reached that point in their research to
take that step, ShtetlSchleppers has created two or three-country cultural
tours where you can visit Prague & Vienna, or Prague, Vienna & Budapest,
all three known for their breathtaking architecture and richness of Jewish
history. It's all online awaiting your visit.

-scheduled group departures,
-customized independent travel,
-two or three country cultural tours, and finally
-favorable air fares >from most cities to London2001

So whatever your dreams, whatever your travel interests may be in
conjunction with the London conference, Let JewishGen ShtetlSchleppers take
you there!

<http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlschleppers/>

Paul W. Ginsburg
ShtetlSchleppers Project Manager
pginsburg@jewishgen.org


Medgyesegyhaza #hungary

szombat <szombat@...>
 

Dear H-siggers,
The Jewish cemetery >from Medgyesegyhaza is posted.
Family names involved:

FRIEDMANN
GOLDMANN
HAJOS
KLEIN
KOHN
LIPNIKER
PFEIFER
ROSENTHAL
SPITZER
VOGEL



URL: http://www.geocities.com/winter_peter_4/

At photo database link.

best regards, and Gut Shabes
Peter Winter


























Jewish cemeteries in Hungary:
http://www.geocities.com/winter_peter_4


Hungary SIG #Hungary Medgyesegyhaza #hungary

szombat <szombat@...>
 

Dear H-siggers,
The Jewish cemetery >from Medgyesegyhaza is posted.
Family names involved:

FRIEDMANN
GOLDMANN
HAJOS
KLEIN
KOHN
LIPNIKER
PFEIFER
ROSENTHAL
SPITZER
VOGEL



URL: http://www.geocities.com/winter_peter_4/

At photo database link.

best regards, and Gut Shabes
Peter Winter


























Jewish cemeteries in Hungary:
http://www.geocities.com/winter_peter_4


Dolginovo and Novyy Sverzhen Records #belarus

Susan Goldsmith
 

Does the SIG have records for Dolginovo and/or Novyy Sverzhen? If so,
what records, for what years, are they translated? Does the SIG have
records for Dolginovo and/or Novyy Sverzhen that need translating or
translitersation? If the SIG doesn't have any records for these towns, how
may they be obtained?

When the SIG asks for volunteers to transliterate Cyrillic, is it seeking
volunteers who read Russian?

Researching HOROWITZ, DROZNAN, LIESERSON Dolginovo
TOBIAS, ROZHANSKY, SLOTNICK, KAMINSKY Novyy Sverzhen

Sincerely,
Susan Goldsmith
PiedmontCA
jcwsmg@sprintmail.com


Re: Tax Census 1828 LDS film #hungary

Dolph Klein <kledolph@...>
 

From: Gary Luke <feraltek@zeta.org.au>

Has anyone had a look at the LDS films of the Census of the Taxable
Population of Hungary 1828, LDS films #622941 to #623771? What sort of
information does it have?

See Louis Schonfeld's article:

http://www.jewishgen.org/hungary/Articles/Mormon_microfilms_1828_property_ce
nsus.txt

Dolph Klein
Chapel Hill, NC


Belarus SIG #Belarus Dolginovo and Novyy Sverzhen Records #belarus

Susan Goldsmith
 

Does the SIG have records for Dolginovo and/or Novyy Sverzhen? If so,
what records, for what years, are they translated? Does the SIG have
records for Dolginovo and/or Novyy Sverzhen that need translating or
translitersation? If the SIG doesn't have any records for these towns, how
may they be obtained?

When the SIG asks for volunteers to transliterate Cyrillic, is it seeking
volunteers who read Russian?

Researching HOROWITZ, DROZNAN, LIESERSON Dolginovo
TOBIAS, ROZHANSKY, SLOTNICK, KAMINSKY Novyy Sverzhen

Sincerely,
Susan Goldsmith
PiedmontCA
jcwsmg@sprintmail.com


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Tax Census 1828 LDS film #hungary

Dolph Klein <kledolph@...>
 

From: Gary Luke <feraltek@zeta.org.au>

Has anyone had a look at the LDS films of the Census of the Taxable
Population of Hungary 1828, LDS films #622941 to #623771? What sort of
information does it have?

See Louis Schonfeld's article:

http://www.jewishgen.org/hungary/Articles/Mormon_microfilms_1828_property_ce
nsus.txt

Dolph Klein
Chapel Hill, NC


The David-Horodok (Belarus) site #belarus

MMS <mms@...>
 

Hello all,

The David-Horodok site have been moved to <http://davidhorodok.tripod.com>.

The previous sites will redirect the visitors to the new one.

Moshe M. Shavit
site owner
Shavit D & M

mailto:mmsh@iname.com


Minks lists #belarus

Roberta Solit <rsolit@...>
 

I'm available to help transliterate Minsk lists. I've worked on 2 other
similar projects, so with some guidelines, I should be able to assist with
this one.
Roberta Solit


Belarus SIG #Belarus The David-Horodok (Belarus) site #belarus

MMS <mms@...>
 

Hello all,

The David-Horodok site have been moved to <http://davidhorodok.tripod.com>.

The previous sites will redirect the visitors to the new one.

Moshe M. Shavit
site owner
Shavit D & M

mailto:mmsh@iname.com


Belarus SIG #Belarus Minks lists #belarus

Roberta Solit <rsolit@...>
 

I'm available to help transliterate Minsk lists. I've worked on 2 other
similar projects, so with some guidelines, I should be able to assist with
this one.
Roberta Solit


Trans-Siberian R.R. #belarus

Jack R. Braverman <jbraverman1@...>
 

I would be interesting in hearing >from anyone who had relatives who worke=
d
on the Trans-Siberian during its initial phase, which, I believe, began
about 1897. The first section ran >from Valdivostok north to Khabarovsk on=

the Amur. One relative was in charge of building construction. He recruit=
ed
many workers >from Grodno.

Jack Braverman
Cleveland, OH


Belarus SIG #Belarus Trans-Siberian R.R. #belarus

Jack R. Braverman <jbraverman1@...>
 

I would be interesting in hearing >from anyone who had relatives who worke=
d
on the Trans-Siberian during its initial phase, which, I believe, began
about 1897. The first section ran >from Valdivostok north to Khabarovsk on=

the Amur. One relative was in charge of building construction. He recruit=
ed
many workers >from Grodno.

Jack Braverman
Cleveland, OH


Belarus Records #belarus

Gladys Paulin <gp21603@...>
 

All,
I believe that Dave Fox's report on Dec 5 fully outlined what is being
pursued. I fully agree with Jessica Schein.

With all due respect to Miriam Margolyes proposals, I would like to point
out that many microfilmed Polish records were available for many years
(predating my entry into serious genealogy a dozen years ago. Further the
Polish archives were long familiar with the needs and desires of western
genealogists when JRI-Poland got started and negotiated with the archives
to index records beyond what was already available through a long history
of microfilming and making their records public.

The situation in Belarus is very different and very delicate. By working
with the LDS, David and the SIG leadership has chosen wisely. Not only
have the Belarus archives restrictions internally, but they are also very
new to the demands (not always polite requests) of American and other
western genealogists, but they have had to work to organize records that
lay moldering in basements and other improper storage places for over 80
years. Their significant progress is organizing what they have should be
applauded, not criticized. Before one can do any name indexing, one has
to be able to locate the documents that contain the names. The Mormons
have been doing this and working with archivists all over the world
for many years. They certainly have more clout than just our SIG not only
because of their reputation and experience, but also because of their need
for all records of genealogical interest-- not just the Jewish ones.
Further the LDS has shown special consideration for Jewish record filming
in the past and there is no reason to believe they might not do otherwise
in similar cases.

I do believe that going to Susan King directly would only find that she
will direct you right back to Dave Fox. She has way to many things on her
plate to step into a single SIG situation. As far as money donations go,
there is already a system designed for this. You may go to the Belarus
site and click on Jewish generosity and designate specific projects for
contribution. While there, please also consider contributions directly to
Jewishgen since without their generosity this SIG would not be able to
function to serve so many projects on the net.

I have a very personal interest in all of this since my Dad was born in
Tulgovichi in the former uezd of Rechitsa, Minsk guberniya in what is
today Gomel oblast, Belarus. My entire paternal heritage is >from that
area.

I want to thank Dave Fox. Elizabeth Paikin and all the others who work so very hard for all of us without asking for
any other personal compensation other than the satisfaction of providing
help to us all.
Gladys

Gladys Friedman Paulin
Winter Park, FL
Professional Genealogist


Belarus SIG #Belarus Belarus Records #belarus

Gladys Paulin <gp21603@...>
 

All,
I believe that Dave Fox's report on Dec 5 fully outlined what is being
pursued. I fully agree with Jessica Schein.

With all due respect to Miriam Margolyes proposals, I would like to point
out that many microfilmed Polish records were available for many years
(predating my entry into serious genealogy a dozen years ago. Further the
Polish archives were long familiar with the needs and desires of western
genealogists when JRI-Poland got started and negotiated with the archives
to index records beyond what was already available through a long history
of microfilming and making their records public.

The situation in Belarus is very different and very delicate. By working
with the LDS, David and the SIG leadership has chosen wisely. Not only
have the Belarus archives restrictions internally, but they are also very
new to the demands (not always polite requests) of American and other
western genealogists, but they have had to work to organize records that
lay moldering in basements and other improper storage places for over 80
years. Their significant progress is organizing what they have should be
applauded, not criticized. Before one can do any name indexing, one has
to be able to locate the documents that contain the names. The Mormons
have been doing this and working with archivists all over the world
for many years. They certainly have more clout than just our SIG not only
because of their reputation and experience, but also because of their need
for all records of genealogical interest-- not just the Jewish ones.
Further the LDS has shown special consideration for Jewish record filming
in the past and there is no reason to believe they might not do otherwise
in similar cases.

I do believe that going to Susan King directly would only find that she
will direct you right back to Dave Fox. She has way to many things on her
plate to step into a single SIG situation. As far as money donations go,
there is already a system designed for this. You may go to the Belarus
site and click on Jewish generosity and designate specific projects for
contribution. While there, please also consider contributions directly to
Jewishgen since without their generosity this SIG would not be able to
function to serve so many projects on the net.

I have a very personal interest in all of this since my Dad was born in
Tulgovichi in the former uezd of Rechitsa, Minsk guberniya in what is
today Gomel oblast, Belarus. My entire paternal heritage is >from that
area.

I want to thank Dave Fox. Elizabeth Paikin and all the others who work so very hard for all of us without asking for
any other personal compensation other than the satisfaction of providing
help to us all.
Gladys

Gladys Friedman Paulin
Winter Park, FL
Professional Genealogist