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Kupel, Russia (Ukraine) #ukraine

HcWill77@...
 

Hello -- I'm new to the Ukraine sig... and new to Jewish genealogy in
general. Up until recently I knew very little about my Jewish roots since my
father died when I was 9. So I'm learning a lot of new things and it can be
overwhelming but at the same time I'm so grateful that the resources are
there and that I am finding part of my identity.

I discovered that my grandfather came >from Kippell, Russia in 1909 via
Noordham through Rotterdam. I believe, now, that Kippell Russia is really
Kupel, Volhynia Gubernia... would anyone have any type of information on this
place? Am I safe to assume that my grandfather emigrated >from Kupel instead
of some other place in Russia?

I'd appreciate any information. Also, if anyone has any information on the
surname WOL please let me know.

Thanks for listening (reading),

H. Chris Wool

Researching: WOL


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Kupel, Russia (Ukraine) #ukraine

HcWill77@...
 

Hello -- I'm new to the Ukraine sig... and new to Jewish genealogy in
general. Up until recently I knew very little about my Jewish roots since my
father died when I was 9. So I'm learning a lot of new things and it can be
overwhelming but at the same time I'm so grateful that the resources are
there and that I am finding part of my identity.

I discovered that my grandfather came >from Kippell, Russia in 1909 via
Noordham through Rotterdam. I believe, now, that Kippell Russia is really
Kupel, Volhynia Gubernia... would anyone have any type of information on this
place? Am I safe to assume that my grandfather emigrated >from Kupel instead
of some other place in Russia?

I'd appreciate any information. Also, if anyone has any information on the
surname WOL please let me know.

Thanks for listening (reading),

H. Chris Wool

Researching: WOL


Re: Missing Pieces of the Puzzle #ukraine

arlene <aparnes@...>
 

An exciting story to be sure. Congratulations!

Are you aware that there was an EDWARD ELMAN in Brooklyn during the 1970's?
He served on the Executive Committee of the New York Federation of Reform
Synagogues, part of the Union of American Hebrew Congregations. I believe
he also served on the national Bd of Trustees of the organization, but can't
really remember.
Arlene


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Missing Pieces of the Puzzle #ukraine

arlene <aparnes@...>
 

An exciting story to be sure. Congratulations!

Are you aware that there was an EDWARD ELMAN in Brooklyn during the 1970's?
He served on the Executive Committee of the New York Federation of Reform
Synagogues, part of the Union of American Hebrew Congregations. I believe
he also served on the national Bd of Trustees of the organization, but can't
really remember.
Arlene


Re: Missing Pieces of the Puzzle #ukraine

Naomi Moderick <naomi_mod@...>
 

Genealogy does give us a another chance to extend and appreciate our
extended relationships. I have just found some relatives on my paternal
grandfather's side and am getting to know them.

I got a kick out of the cough remedy. I haven't heard the expression
goggle-moggle since I was a little girl. My grandmother >from Zhitomir
would make that for me. There are also other names that my mother's
family used that no one else seems to know. I'm not sure of the
spellings, but a pot roast on the stove was a Zaraza, and fired matzoh was
Preshnitza. I wondered if anyone has heard of these names.

Naomi Moderick, Skokie, IL.

Researching WAGNER and ANNOPOLSKY, ANAPOLSKY >from Zhitomir;
MUDRICK >from Kamenets-Podolskiy; FISHMAN >from Satanov.



Florence Elman wrote:
When my husband developed a cold during our stay, Polina & I
compared cough remedies. She is the only person who knew exactly what I
meant when I said my mother used to make a "goggle-moggle", & to prove
our common ancestry, she proceeded to put one together to ease my
husbamd's throat.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Missing Pieces of the Puzzle #ukraine

Naomi Moderick <naomi_mod@...>
 

Genealogy does give us a another chance to extend and appreciate our
extended relationships. I have just found some relatives on my paternal
grandfather's side and am getting to know them.

I got a kick out of the cough remedy. I haven't heard the expression
goggle-moggle since I was a little girl. My grandmother >from Zhitomir
would make that for me. There are also other names that my mother's
family used that no one else seems to know. I'm not sure of the
spellings, but a pot roast on the stove was a Zaraza, and fired matzoh was
Preshnitza. I wondered if anyone has heard of these names.

Naomi Moderick, Skokie, IL.

Researching WAGNER and ANNOPOLSKY, ANAPOLSKY >from Zhitomir;
MUDRICK >from Kamenets-Podolskiy; FISHMAN >from Satanov.



Florence Elman wrote:
When my husband developed a cold during our stay, Polina & I
compared cough remedies. She is the only person who knew exactly what I
meant when I said my mother used to make a "goggle-moggle", & to prove
our common ancestry, she proceeded to put one together to ease my
husbamd's throat.


Re: Hebrew/Yiddish for "Lawrence" #general

Robert Strumwasser <robertstrum@...>
 

From: Roberta Sheps <roberta_l_sheps@tesco.net>
I now have this question: given that my great-grandfather's last name
was "Cohen", how likely is it that his first name would have been
"Levi"? It seems pretty contradictory to me. Is there any customary or
Halakhic reason why a Cohen would not have been called "Levi"?
In many cases, the given name Levi (also Levin) was simply a diminutive for
Leib, unrelated to tribal affiliation. In such a case, I see no reason why
there would be a "problem" regarding the bearer being a Koheyn(I know of no
such reason in any event, but lack the knowledge to be definitive).
As a case in point, I have a cousin (b.c. 1855 in Lithuania) who was named
Yehuda Leib COHN, who was called Leib, and who then took the name Levin
COHN upon arriving in the US.

Robert Strumwasser
Sharon, MA, USA
RobertStrum@email.msn.com

Researching: >from Taurage, Lith: COHN, GLICKMAN, ROZ, SIEGAL, HURWITZ;
ABRAMAWITZ >from Taurage & Vainutas; any STRUMWASSER, STROMWASSER,
STRONGWATER, STONEWATER; >from Kamenets Pod., Ukr: JURIST, URIST, SAPOSNICK,
PETCHEKOVSKY, CZAP; >from Sadgura,Ukr: KARPEL, LOBL; KALTER >from Zhelibory
& Voynilov, Ukr; >from Sudilkov, Ukr: KUDISH, RUTFIELD, LERNER, KATZ; from
Rafalowka & Manevichi, Ukr: ROSENFELD, BRATT


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Hebrew/Yiddish for "Lawrence" #general

Robert Strumwasser <robertstrum@...>
 

From: Roberta Sheps <roberta_l_sheps@tesco.net>
I now have this question: given that my great-grandfather's last name
was "Cohen", how likely is it that his first name would have been
"Levi"? It seems pretty contradictory to me. Is there any customary or
Halakhic reason why a Cohen would not have been called "Levi"?
In many cases, the given name Levi (also Levin) was simply a diminutive for
Leib, unrelated to tribal affiliation. In such a case, I see no reason why
there would be a "problem" regarding the bearer being a Koheyn(I know of no
such reason in any event, but lack the knowledge to be definitive).
As a case in point, I have a cousin (b.c. 1855 in Lithuania) who was named
Yehuda Leib COHN, who was called Leib, and who then took the name Levin
COHN upon arriving in the US.

Robert Strumwasser
Sharon, MA, USA
RobertStrum@email.msn.com

Researching: >from Taurage, Lith: COHN, GLICKMAN, ROZ, SIEGAL, HURWITZ;
ABRAMAWITZ >from Taurage & Vainutas; any STRUMWASSER, STROMWASSER,
STRONGWATER, STONEWATER; >from Kamenets Pod., Ukr: JURIST, URIST, SAPOSNICK,
PETCHEKOVSKY, CZAP; >from Sadgura,Ukr: KARPEL, LOBL; KALTER >from Zhelibory
& Voynilov, Ukr; >from Sudilkov, Ukr: KUDISH, RUTFIELD, LERNER, KATZ; from
Rafalowka & Manevichi, Ukr: ROSENFELD, BRATT


Re: Sailing from Rotterdam #ukraine

Mazur, Allan <Mazur@...>
 

Hal,

Microfilms of passenger manifests are stored at several libraries, including
New York City's Public Library. Unfortunately, the manifest for this voyage
is not on the films.

I was in the U.S. Archives (Washington, DC) this week and learned that some
of the steamship lines made additional passenger lists for each trip,
holding less information than the manifest but placing passengers in
alphabetical order -- a great advantage. In going through this source
for the year 1906, I recall seeing one list for the SS Rotterdam.

If you give me her name, and I'm back there, I can take a shot at finding
her.

Allan

-----Original Message-----
From: Hal S. Maggied
Re: Sailing >from Rotterdam

My mom sailed >from Rotterdam on the SS Rotterdam in 1906, but I'm
unable to locate the manifests. She emigrated >from Poryck, Volhynia
Guberniya.


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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Sailing from Rotterdam #ukraine

Mazur, Allan <Mazur@...>
 

Hal,

Microfilms of passenger manifests are stored at several libraries, including
New York City's Public Library. Unfortunately, the manifest for this voyage
is not on the films.

I was in the U.S. Archives (Washington, DC) this week and learned that some
of the steamship lines made additional passenger lists for each trip,
holding less information than the manifest but placing passengers in
alphabetical order -- a great advantage. In going through this source
for the year 1906, I recall seeing one list for the SS Rotterdam.

If you give me her name, and I'm back there, I can take a shot at finding
her.

Allan

-----Original Message-----
From: Hal S. Maggied
Re: Sailing >from Rotterdam

My mom sailed >from Rotterdam on the SS Rotterdam in 1906, but I'm
unable to locate the manifests. She emigrated >from Poryck, Volhynia
Guberniya.


Moderator note: Please respond privately


Child Traveling Alone #general

delete_this_to_reply_stacy_harris@...
 

I have just received the List or Manifest of Alien Passengers
containing my great-uncle's name. It indicates he was age 11 at the time
and that his passage was paid for by his older brother (who would have
been about 14 years his senior).

Looking at the rest of the names on the list, none of which I
recognize, it appears the boy was traveling alone.

How likely would that have been (in 1909)?

Stacy Harris


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Child Traveling Alone #general

delete_this_to_reply_stacy_harris@...
 

I have just received the List or Manifest of Alien Passengers
containing my great-uncle's name. It indicates he was age 11 at the time
and that his passage was paid for by his older brother (who would have
been about 14 years his senior).

Looking at the rest of the names on the list, none of which I
recognize, it appears the boy was traveling alone.

How likely would that have been (in 1909)?

Stacy Harris


Re: What Does the Phrase "Protected Jew" Mean? #general

Elsebeth Paikin
 

At 11:46 17-11-00 -0800, richard may wrote:
On an 1814 birth record of an ancester she is
described as the daughter of the *protected JEW*
Michel >from Gelnhausen. What does the phrase
"protected Jew" mean? Protected by who >from whom?
Was the status of protected Jew uncommon or common in
the eary 19th century in the Hessen?

It is a translation of the German word "Schutz-Jude" and
it was applied to Jews who were under the protection of
a prince/duke/king (or whatever) -- most often in return
for the Schutz-Jude's financial help. The degree of '
protection varied: They were protected >from harm, but
sometimes they were also "protected" >from paying taxes...

Another - but a little different - term is "Hof-Jude" =
Court Jew about whom there have been written quite a lot
of good and serious books. The Court Jews were the
aristocracy among Jews. They were (of course!!) wealthy --
otherwise they couldn't deliver the merchandise the kings
and princes wanted, nor could then give them the huge loans
then often wanted >from their "Court Jews".

Often -- but not always -- the Court Jews were of Sephardic
origin (or as they were called in Denmark: Of the "Portuguese
Nation". In Denmark these Court Jews paved the way for Jewish
settlement in Denmark.

Hope this will suffice!?

Best regards

Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark
Coordinator & Webmaster of
JewishGen Denmark SIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/denmark
mailto:elsebeth@paikin.dk


Re: Voronovitsa, Podalia Gubernia #ukraine

ISchus3220@...
 

My family name is SCHUSTER/SHUSTER; originally, my people came >from Ostropol,
circa 70 miles >from Voronovitsa. Might there have been anyone >from Ostropol?
Ernie Schuster

Moderator note: Please respond privately.

The Jewish Gen Family Finder (JGFF) Database can also
be used to search for other surnames >from the same
ancestral town.
vist http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: What Does the Phrase "Protected Jew" Mean? #general

Elsebeth Paikin
 

At 11:46 17-11-00 -0800, richard may wrote:
On an 1814 birth record of an ancester she is
described as the daughter of the *protected JEW*
Michel >from Gelnhausen. What does the phrase
"protected Jew" mean? Protected by who >from whom?
Was the status of protected Jew uncommon or common in
the eary 19th century in the Hessen?

It is a translation of the German word "Schutz-Jude" and
it was applied to Jews who were under the protection of
a prince/duke/king (or whatever) -- most often in return
for the Schutz-Jude's financial help. The degree of '
protection varied: They were protected >from harm, but
sometimes they were also "protected" >from paying taxes...

Another - but a little different - term is "Hof-Jude" =
Court Jew about whom there have been written quite a lot
of good and serious books. The Court Jews were the
aristocracy among Jews. They were (of course!!) wealthy --
otherwise they couldn't deliver the merchandise the kings
and princes wanted, nor could then give them the huge loans
then often wanted >from their "Court Jews".

Often -- but not always -- the Court Jews were of Sephardic
origin (or as they were called in Denmark: Of the "Portuguese
Nation". In Denmark these Court Jews paved the way for Jewish
settlement in Denmark.

Hope this will suffice!?

Best regards

Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark
Coordinator & Webmaster of
JewishGen Denmark SIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/denmark
mailto:elsebeth@paikin.dk


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Voronovitsa, Podalia Gubernia #ukraine

ISchus3220@...
 

My family name is SCHUSTER/SHUSTER; originally, my people came >from Ostropol,
circa 70 miles >from Voronovitsa. Might there have been anyone >from Ostropol?
Ernie Schuster

Moderator note: Please respond privately.

The Jewish Gen Family Finder (JGFF) Database can also
be used to search for other surnames >from the same
ancestral town.
vist http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/


My family #ukraine

buenos <buenos@...>
 

My family,Israel MONASTERSKY or MOONA and Peshe KUTZEL left
Ekaterinoslav around 1895-1905 to migrate to Argentina(Moises Ville)
one of Baron Hirsch colonies.Anyone knows any databse to track any
relatives.
Joseph Bekinschtein


Moderator note:The JewishGen Family Finder (JGFF) is a database
of ancestral towns and surnames currently being researched by
Jewish genealogists worldwide.
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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine My family #ukraine

buenos <buenos@...>
 

My family,Israel MONASTERSKY or MOONA and Peshe KUTZEL left
Ekaterinoslav around 1895-1905 to migrate to Argentina(Moises Ville)
one of Baron Hirsch colonies.Anyone knows any databse to track any
relatives.
Joseph Bekinschtein


Moderator note:The JewishGen Family Finder (JGFF) is a database
of ancestral towns and surnames currently being researched by
Jewish genealogists worldwide.
visit http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/


Re: The origin mystery #ukraine

canadian <canadian@...>
 

Dear Jo,
I takes me so long to find quiet time to really read my emails. What you
wrote below intrigued me and reminded me of a story my grandmother passed on
to me. My grandmother, Leah EJDELSZTEJN(Adelstein) nee ZILBERBERG was born
in Stepan in April 1904. She recalls how the Russians (I believe) we very
tough on the Jews. However, when she was a preteen she said that they got
news of a new ruling "army". She said the town understood that these new
administrators spoke a language that was a kin to their own. That language,
and those people were German. The town was excited at the prospect of
change. However the change was not a turn for the better. My grandmother,
who was in school and loved to learn, had to stop. The new authorities
passed a law stating that if children wanted to go to school they must
attend on Saturday. The new authorities knew full well that the Jews could
not abide by that law and so schooling for my grandmother during that time
came to an end. She also told me that very near the start of this
changeover a few Jewish men >from the community were put in jail, my
great-grandfather was amongst them. The town was told that if they did not
produce "X" amount of dollars in either cash, silver, gold etc. by dawn,
those in jail would be killed. Thankfully their demands were met and my
grandmother had her father until she emigrated in 1935. Her entire family
was killed in the Action at Stepan on August 24, 1944 (that is the exact
date that I went into labour with my daughter, my only child).
Regards,
Debbie Adelstein-Posner

-----Original Message-----
From: Jo Schwartz
Subject: [ukraine] Re: The origin mystery

I never knew my ggparents, but the only people who are living that had any
connection with them say that they never talked about the old country. On
the other hand, my grandparents, both immigrants, did talk, and must have
heard some stories >from their parents because they passed them down to
their children.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: The origin mystery #ukraine

canadian <canadian@...>
 

Dear Jo,
I takes me so long to find quiet time to really read my emails. What you
wrote below intrigued me and reminded me of a story my grandmother passed on
to me. My grandmother, Leah EJDELSZTEJN(Adelstein) nee ZILBERBERG was born
in Stepan in April 1904. She recalls how the Russians (I believe) we very
tough on the Jews. However, when she was a preteen she said that they got
news of a new ruling "army". She said the town understood that these new
administrators spoke a language that was a kin to their own. That language,
and those people were German. The town was excited at the prospect of
change. However the change was not a turn for the better. My grandmother,
who was in school and loved to learn, had to stop. The new authorities
passed a law stating that if children wanted to go to school they must
attend on Saturday. The new authorities knew full well that the Jews could
not abide by that law and so schooling for my grandmother during that time
came to an end. She also told me that very near the start of this
changeover a few Jewish men >from the community were put in jail, my
great-grandfather was amongst them. The town was told that if they did not
produce "X" amount of dollars in either cash, silver, gold etc. by dawn,
those in jail would be killed. Thankfully their demands were met and my
grandmother had her father until she emigrated in 1935. Her entire family
was killed in the Action at Stepan on August 24, 1944 (that is the exact
date that I went into labour with my daughter, my only child).
Regards,
Debbie Adelstein-Posner

-----Original Message-----
From: Jo Schwartz
Subject: [ukraine] Re: The origin mystery

I never knew my ggparents, but the only people who are living that had any
connection with them say that they never talked about the old country. On
the other hand, my grandparents, both immigrants, did talk, and must have
heard some stories >from their parents because they passed them down to
their children.