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Gelenes #hungary

szombat <szombat@...>
 

Dear H-siggers,
Gelenes is up for rewiewing...

No transcriptions yet.

Best wishes,
Peter Winter


























Jewish cemeteries in Hungary:
http://www.geocities.com/winter_peter_4


Hungary SIG #Hungary Gelenes #hungary

szombat <szombat@...>
 

Dear H-siggers,
Gelenes is up for rewiewing...

No transcriptions yet.

Best wishes,
Peter Winter


























Jewish cemeteries in Hungary:
http://www.geocities.com/winter_peter_4


Grand Opening of The JewishGenMall #lodz #poland

Seflaum@...
 

Fwd >from Susan King

Subject: Grand Opening of The JewishGenMall

Just in time for the holidays! WHEW!!!

After dedicating nearly a year to construct our newest offering,
JewishGen's persistent team of Mall managers is very pleased to announce
the grand opening of The JewishGen Mall on Monday Dec 4th, 2000.

We believe we have created a user friendly place for your holiday shopping.
Our mall managers have found books, software and videos of genealogical
interest to tempt you. In the new year we will constantly be adding new
products, so be certain to keep looking in.

We invite all of you to come on in and see the huge collection of the very
books, videos (under construction) and software some of you have been
asking about. The URL is:

http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgenmall

To avoid any misunderstandings, it will be helpful to know that the concept
behind launching the JewishGenMall is similar to that of any Museum Shop
you have visited. The intent is simply to generate additional revenue to
continue support of JewishGen projects and services that rely on
our operational budget.

The JewishGenMall will not compete with online "discounters" or other
publishers, or be competitive with the pricing of other e-tailers. We are
presenting another avenue for you to acquire products that will not only
benefit your research, but at the same time provide additional financial
resources for JewishGen.

Over the last few months, you have seen messages >from our Vice President of
Business and Corporate Development indicating that our operational budget
sometimes falls short of our projected needs. You'll also recall that the
operational budget supports all the mailing lists, websites and server
needs that carry the many databases. The JewishGenMall will be an enjoyable
way for you to continue to support JewishGen today and well into the
future..

Today you will find no less than 500 products -- >from books to software to
videos -- that cover almost every area of research. And this is just the
beginning!

In honor of the launch, we are offering at special introductory prices on
some special items and Gift Certificates for the holidays. Make sure you
click on the 'Specials' button today... and look for similar specials each
time you log on to The JewishGen Mall in the future.

There are many exciting new developments on the drawing board for The
JewishGenMall in the future.

Our challenge to you today is simply this. If everyone of the 90,000
unique visitors to our website, the 45,000 submitters to the JGFF and the
15,000 subscribers to the mailing lists made at least one small purchase
every six months >from The JewishGenMall, you will be making a significant
contribution to helping JewishGen help you in your research!

Help us make it happen! Go now to http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgenmall/
Please join with us today to celebrate the Grand Opening of The
JewishGenMall and say thanks to the extraordinary volunteer effort of Sandy
and Don Hirschhorn, John Berman and Carol Skydell.

Susan


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland Grand Opening of The JewishGenMall #lodz #poland

Seflaum@...
 

Fwd >from Susan King

Subject: Grand Opening of The JewishGenMall

Just in time for the holidays! WHEW!!!

After dedicating nearly a year to construct our newest offering,
JewishGen's persistent team of Mall managers is very pleased to announce
the grand opening of The JewishGen Mall on Monday Dec 4th, 2000.

We believe we have created a user friendly place for your holiday shopping.
Our mall managers have found books, software and videos of genealogical
interest to tempt you. In the new year we will constantly be adding new
products, so be certain to keep looking in.

We invite all of you to come on in and see the huge collection of the very
books, videos (under construction) and software some of you have been
asking about. The URL is:

http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgenmall

To avoid any misunderstandings, it will be helpful to know that the concept
behind launching the JewishGenMall is similar to that of any Museum Shop
you have visited. The intent is simply to generate additional revenue to
continue support of JewishGen projects and services that rely on
our operational budget.

The JewishGenMall will not compete with online "discounters" or other
publishers, or be competitive with the pricing of other e-tailers. We are
presenting another avenue for you to acquire products that will not only
benefit your research, but at the same time provide additional financial
resources for JewishGen.

Over the last few months, you have seen messages >from our Vice President of
Business and Corporate Development indicating that our operational budget
sometimes falls short of our projected needs. You'll also recall that the
operational budget supports all the mailing lists, websites and server
needs that carry the many databases. The JewishGenMall will be an enjoyable
way for you to continue to support JewishGen today and well into the
future..

Today you will find no less than 500 products -- >from books to software to
videos -- that cover almost every area of research. And this is just the
beginning!

In honor of the launch, we are offering at special introductory prices on
some special items and Gift Certificates for the holidays. Make sure you
click on the 'Specials' button today... and look for similar specials each
time you log on to The JewishGen Mall in the future.

There are many exciting new developments on the drawing board for The
JewishGenMall in the future.

Our challenge to you today is simply this. If everyone of the 90,000
unique visitors to our website, the 45,000 submitters to the JGFF and the
15,000 subscribers to the mailing lists made at least one small purchase
every six months >from The JewishGenMall, you will be making a significant
contribution to helping JewishGen help you in your research!

Help us make it happen! Go now to http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgenmall/
Please join with us today to celebrate the Grand Opening of The
JewishGenMall and say thanks to the extraordinary volunteer effort of Sandy
and Don Hirschhorn, John Berman and Carol Skydell.

Susan


Re: strategy for obtaining Belarus records #belarus

David M. Fox <fox@...>
 

Dear SIG Members,

In July 1999, I spent almost a full day with the director of the
National Historic Archives of Belarus (Minsk). During that visit I
tried to explore a cooperative agreement that would be mutually
beneficial to the Archive and to the members of the Belarus SIG.
Working through an interpreter is not always the most effective way to
handle such an arrangement, but because I didn't have the Russian
language skills, I had no choice. My impression >from this meeting
was that the Archive was very receptive to receiving equipment and money
from us, but they could not provide any assurance of what they could do
for us. Another delicate issue is how to make donations of equipment or
money to the archives. The customs and laws of Belarus are much
different than they are in other countries. I could not just walk into
the archive and give them a computer because the director doesn't have
the authority to accept it. According to what I was told, it must go
through a very complex process, for which I don't claim to know all the
details.

Based on my own personal research efforts as well as feedback >from other
researchers, the best results were obtained >from outside researchers in
Belarus. However, I have also heard of horror stories about private
researchers and research requests directly to the archive. Whether you
use a private researcher or make requests directly to the archive, BE
PREPARED TO WAIT! Contact information about private researchers can be
found on the SIG website under Belarus Resources.

As for indexing archival holdings in Belarus, there are a number of
efforts going on now. However, it is important to clarify what is meant
by indexing as it applies to an index to archival holdings or an index
of the actual names or entries in the record holdings of the archive. I
am presently compiling an inventory of archival holdings >from a number
of secondary sources such as the Nancy Goodstein inventory at LDS, other
LDS inventories, private research reports, numerous articles,
information >from RAGAS, etc. This inventory includes records of
interest to Belarus researchers which are located in several archives:
Minsk, Grodno, Vilna, and a few other places. The database includes:
shtetl, district, gubernia, fond, folio, dylo, record description, LDS
film number if filmed, record year, source of information, and comments.
When completed, this database will be made available on the SIG
website. While the Belarus Archives have some of their inventory list
of holdings available on their website
http://www.president.gov.by/gosarchives/eindex.htm, their listing does
not included many of the holdings I have my list. I urge anyone who has
received private research reports that specify fond, folio, dylo of the
source data to send me a copy so I can be sure to include the
information in the database.

In addition, I learned yesterday that a university professor in Belarus
is also compiling an inventory of Jewish record holdings in the various
archives of Belarus. I am attempting to contact him and so I can
collaborate with him on the effort by exchanging what each of us has
collected so far.

The microfilming of remaining records in the Minsk and Grodno National
Historical Archives of Belarus was discussed with officials of the FHL
in Salt Lake City in July. I have had almost weekly telephone follow up
calls with one of these officials. There is microfilming equipment in
both the Grodno and Minsk archives and filming is being done. I have
been told that the filming of the 1897 Census, family lists,
and revision lists in the Grodno archive are in the works, but I have no
firm dates as to when it will happen. Filming of the remaining family
lists and revision lists as well as other records that were not filmed
initially at the Minsk archive are also planned. Negotiations between
the FHL and the Belarus archives are best left to the people at the FHL.

Having seen first hand the storage conditions of records at the archive
in Minsk, the microfilming of the remaining records there, as well as the
filming of the records in Grodno, should be considered a high priority by
the Belarus SIG. The old records are deteriorating and before they
become unreadable, it is of utmost necessity that they be filmed not
only for the FHL, but also for the use of the archive
personnel themselves.

The other type of indexing alluded to above in the indexing of the
actual entries on records. Unlike JRI-Poland which does a true index
with limited data elements to assist in locating an actual record, the
Belarus SIG plans to extract and translate all or most of the data on
vital records and revision lists. Please see the following URLs for
examples of what I am talking about:
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus/borisov_1874a.htm
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus/og_birth_1905.htm
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus/og_death_1860_1863.htm

In closing, it is sometimes better not to discuss publicly in detail
what is going on behind the scenes. However, I urge all our members not
to try and unilaterally negotiate any "deals" with the archives for fear
it might jeopardize efforts to get the records filmed. Let me assure you
that the SIG leadership is working very closely with the people at the
Family History Library in Salt Lake City and that we have a very good
sharing relationship. We hope to make a public announcement soon about
an exciting cooperative arrangement with the FHL.

Dave

David Fox
fox@erols.com
Belarus SIG Coordinator
Arnold, MD USA

-----------------------
Miriam MARGOLYES wrote:

If we can establish a working relationship with a common goal,
we CAN offer equipment & money for Indexing & although no guarantees
are ever possible, I am utterly convinced that knowledge of what is
available will be more useful - in the long run- than the individual
pursuit of family records.
----------------------


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: strategy for obtaining Belarus records #belarus

David M. Fox <fox@...>
 

Dear SIG Members,

In July 1999, I spent almost a full day with the director of the
National Historic Archives of Belarus (Minsk). During that visit I
tried to explore a cooperative agreement that would be mutually
beneficial to the Archive and to the members of the Belarus SIG.
Working through an interpreter is not always the most effective way to
handle such an arrangement, but because I didn't have the Russian
language skills, I had no choice. My impression >from this meeting
was that the Archive was very receptive to receiving equipment and money
from us, but they could not provide any assurance of what they could do
for us. Another delicate issue is how to make donations of equipment or
money to the archives. The customs and laws of Belarus are much
different than they are in other countries. I could not just walk into
the archive and give them a computer because the director doesn't have
the authority to accept it. According to what I was told, it must go
through a very complex process, for which I don't claim to know all the
details.

Based on my own personal research efforts as well as feedback >from other
researchers, the best results were obtained >from outside researchers in
Belarus. However, I have also heard of horror stories about private
researchers and research requests directly to the archive. Whether you
use a private researcher or make requests directly to the archive, BE
PREPARED TO WAIT! Contact information about private researchers can be
found on the SIG website under Belarus Resources.

As for indexing archival holdings in Belarus, there are a number of
efforts going on now. However, it is important to clarify what is meant
by indexing as it applies to an index to archival holdings or an index
of the actual names or entries in the record holdings of the archive. I
am presently compiling an inventory of archival holdings >from a number
of secondary sources such as the Nancy Goodstein inventory at LDS, other
LDS inventories, private research reports, numerous articles,
information >from RAGAS, etc. This inventory includes records of
interest to Belarus researchers which are located in several archives:
Minsk, Grodno, Vilna, and a few other places. The database includes:
shtetl, district, gubernia, fond, folio, dylo, record description, LDS
film number if filmed, record year, source of information, and comments.
When completed, this database will be made available on the SIG
website. While the Belarus Archives have some of their inventory list
of holdings available on their website
http://www.president.gov.by/gosarchives/eindex.htm, their listing does
not included many of the holdings I have my list. I urge anyone who has
received private research reports that specify fond, folio, dylo of the
source data to send me a copy so I can be sure to include the
information in the database.

In addition, I learned yesterday that a university professor in Belarus
is also compiling an inventory of Jewish record holdings in the various
archives of Belarus. I am attempting to contact him and so I can
collaborate with him on the effort by exchanging what each of us has
collected so far.

The microfilming of remaining records in the Minsk and Grodno National
Historical Archives of Belarus was discussed with officials of the FHL
in Salt Lake City in July. I have had almost weekly telephone follow up
calls with one of these officials. There is microfilming equipment in
both the Grodno and Minsk archives and filming is being done. I have
been told that the filming of the 1897 Census, family lists,
and revision lists in the Grodno archive are in the works, but I have no
firm dates as to when it will happen. Filming of the remaining family
lists and revision lists as well as other records that were not filmed
initially at the Minsk archive are also planned. Negotiations between
the FHL and the Belarus archives are best left to the people at the FHL.

Having seen first hand the storage conditions of records at the archive
in Minsk, the microfilming of the remaining records there, as well as the
filming of the records in Grodno, should be considered a high priority by
the Belarus SIG. The old records are deteriorating and before they
become unreadable, it is of utmost necessity that they be filmed not
only for the FHL, but also for the use of the archive
personnel themselves.

The other type of indexing alluded to above in the indexing of the
actual entries on records. Unlike JRI-Poland which does a true index
with limited data elements to assist in locating an actual record, the
Belarus SIG plans to extract and translate all or most of the data on
vital records and revision lists. Please see the following URLs for
examples of what I am talking about:
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus/borisov_1874a.htm
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus/og_birth_1905.htm
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus/og_death_1860_1863.htm

In closing, it is sometimes better not to discuss publicly in detail
what is going on behind the scenes. However, I urge all our members not
to try and unilaterally negotiate any "deals" with the archives for fear
it might jeopardize efforts to get the records filmed. Let me assure you
that the SIG leadership is working very closely with the people at the
Family History Library in Salt Lake City and that we have a very good
sharing relationship. We hope to make a public announcement soon about
an exciting cooperative arrangement with the FHL.

Dave

David Fox
fox@erols.com
Belarus SIG Coordinator
Arnold, MD USA

-----------------------
Miriam MARGOLYES wrote:

If we can establish a working relationship with a common goal,
we CAN offer equipment & money for Indexing & although no guarantees
are ever possible, I am utterly convinced that knowledge of what is
available will be more useful - in the long run- than the individual
pursuit of family records.
----------------------


indexing belarus records #belarus

Eileen Price <eileen.price@...>
 

I am very interested in having an index of the Belarus records. I would be
willing to add my donation to the group should this be necessary.

Eileen Price
Denver, CO
eileen.price@worldnet.att.net


Belarus SIG #Belarus indexing belarus records #belarus

Eileen Price <eileen.price@...>
 

I am very interested in having an index of the Belarus records. I would be
willing to add my donation to the group should this be necessary.

Eileen Price
Denver, CO
eileen.price@worldnet.att.net


Miriam MARGOLYES strategy for Belarus records #belarus

SJR1126935@...
 

The following is part of the email I sent privately to Miriam
Margolyes concerning the records in Belarus and how to preserve them:

""
Is there any possibility of the FHL contacting these archieves in
Belarus and arranging to microfilm their archieves ??
Is my understanding correct that when FHL is involved in one of these
filming efforts, that the filmed archieve also receives a copy of the
microfilms therin made, which in this case would help the Belarus
people preserve their records.. ???
""

from my perspective, a retired Jewish Structural Engineer, it seems
that some much much closer cooperation between Family History Library
in Salt Lake City and JewishGen.com and other Jewish geneological
organizations would be far more productive then now seems to prevail.
We would also be able to help the archievists in Belarus and other
places.

Of course, this would require the subordination of everyones ego and
political agendas. And maybe that is just too too much to ask !!


Shalom,

Samuel J. Richelew, PE
sjr1126935@aol.com

researching:
RICHELEWSKI, RICHELEWSKY of Porozovo, Svisloch [Grodno ??] Belarus
MOSES, MOSESCO, MOSESCU of Piatra (Neamt ??) [Neamt ??] Romania


Belarus SIG #Belarus Miriam MARGOLYES strategy for Belarus records #belarus

SJR1126935@...
 

The following is part of the email I sent privately to Miriam
Margolyes concerning the records in Belarus and how to preserve them:

""
Is there any possibility of the FHL contacting these archieves in
Belarus and arranging to microfilm their archieves ??
Is my understanding correct that when FHL is involved in one of these
filming efforts, that the filmed archieve also receives a copy of the
microfilms therin made, which in this case would help the Belarus
people preserve their records.. ???
""

from my perspective, a retired Jewish Structural Engineer, it seems
that some much much closer cooperation between Family History Library
in Salt Lake City and JewishGen.com and other Jewish geneological
organizations would be far more productive then now seems to prevail.
We would also be able to help the archievists in Belarus and other
places.

Of course, this would require the subordination of everyones ego and
political agendas. And maybe that is just too too much to ask !!


Shalom,

Samuel J. Richelew, PE
sjr1126935@aol.com

researching:
RICHELEWSKI, RICHELEWSKY of Porozovo, Svisloch [Grodno ??] Belarus
MOSES, MOSESCO, MOSESCU of Piatra (Neamt ??) [Neamt ??] Romania


Correction to previous message on WAGNERs old USA address #general

Susanna Vendel <susanna.vendel@...>
 

The 2 perssons (called WAGNER) whos old address I found are not leaving
anymore (I immagine).
They were around 47-50 years old in 1947.

Harry Wagner
Woodland ave
Burbank, California

Juli Wagner
Vincent Ave
Cleveland Ohio

I wonder how and where I can check if they had families and children.
Susanna Vendel, Stockholm


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Correction to previous message on WAGNERs old USA address #general

Susanna Vendel <susanna.vendel@...>
 

The 2 perssons (called WAGNER) whos old address I found are not leaving
anymore (I immagine).
They were around 47-50 years old in 1947.

Harry Wagner
Woodland ave
Burbank, California

Juli Wagner
Vincent Ave
Cleveland Ohio

I wonder how and where I can check if they had families and children.
Susanna Vendel, Stockholm


Success with an Indifferent Relative #general

Bobmar37
 

Several years ago another genner told me about a woman she met who came
from Germany and has family >from the same town that I do. She now lives in
a small town in Louisiana, one that we have stopped in for lunch when
travelling.

I called her and she was indifferent or hostile but I did find out who her
grandmother was. I looked in my database and found that her grandmother
was either the sister or first cousin of my GGM. So I called back and got
the info to nail it down. But she made it very clear that she's not
interested in genealogy.

The following year I called her to see if we could meet when we passed
through her town during our Thanksgiving trip. It turned out that she was
going to be away when we would be there. But she sounded a bit disappointed.

So this year I called her before our trip and we managed to make a date to
meet at a restaurant in her town. She seemed happy to be meeting us and we
hit it off at lunch. After lunch we went to her place and I spread out the
tree on her dining table. She got very excited about it and called her
sister long distance while we were there (all the while saying that her
sister is indifferent to genealogy). She also called a friend to tell her
about us. She explained that when I first called several years ago she was
recovering >from a difficult illness and just wasn't feeling well.

She invited us to stay there on our next trip. Two days later she called
to see if we got home OK and to say that she feels like she's known us
forever. The net result was a new friend and 35 new people to add to the
database!

So don't give up with a supposedly indifferent relative. When the time is
right, you'll have success.

Marian Price
Round Rock, TX


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Success with an Indifferent Relative #general

Bobmar37
 

Several years ago another genner told me about a woman she met who came
from Germany and has family >from the same town that I do. She now lives in
a small town in Louisiana, one that we have stopped in for lunch when
travelling.

I called her and she was indifferent or hostile but I did find out who her
grandmother was. I looked in my database and found that her grandmother
was either the sister or first cousin of my GGM. So I called back and got
the info to nail it down. But she made it very clear that she's not
interested in genealogy.

The following year I called her to see if we could meet when we passed
through her town during our Thanksgiving trip. It turned out that she was
going to be away when we would be there. But she sounded a bit disappointed.

So this year I called her before our trip and we managed to make a date to
meet at a restaurant in her town. She seemed happy to be meeting us and we
hit it off at lunch. After lunch we went to her place and I spread out the
tree on her dining table. She got very excited about it and called her
sister long distance while we were there (all the while saying that her
sister is indifferent to genealogy). She also called a friend to tell her
about us. She explained that when I first called several years ago she was
recovering >from a difficult illness and just wasn't feeling well.

She invited us to stay there on our next trip. Two days later she called
to see if we got home OK and to say that she feels like she's known us
forever. The net result was a new friend and 35 new people to add to the
database!

So don't give up with a supposedly indifferent relative. When the time is
right, you'll have success.

Marian Price
Round Rock, TX


Why Jewish genealogy #general

Hafcjf@...
 

Dear David,

I certainly don't feel qualified to talk in an all-encompassing way about
the goals of Jewish genealogy. There is one characteristic that I feel that
all of us who engage in the search have, though...Curiosity! We all begin
with an intense desire to know something and just plain get hooked on the
quest.

For me, it began with a promise to my deceased father-in-law. I'd always
enjoyed hearing his family stories and finally took the time to jot down a
few notes. It was some years after his death that I embarked on the search
and I wish he was alive to see how much we've learned. We've connected with
family members all over the globe. In the old days, families lived for
generations in a few shtetls, but now we are all dispersed. One of my
relatives said he felt as though he were raising a family of strangers. His
children had no sense of where they'd come >from and what relatives were out
there. I felt the same way. We live hundreds of miles >from any relatives
and my son hasn't yet met any of his extended family. But now we know and
have corresponded with hundreds of people out there that we're connected
to.

It's been difficult learning what happened to our family during the Shoah.
We know that had we been living in Poland, during those horrible years,
most of us would likely have died. But, we've also managed to connect with
survivors. We've learned about their experiences during the war and
thrilled to the story of the one who escaped the Warsaw Ghetto and fought
with the Polish underground. And we've fulfilled the admonition to bear
witness to what happened in a personal family way.

Most of us become fascinated with history. As Sally Bruckheimer said, those
dry facts really come to live when you can relate them to your ancestors
and gain an appreciation for what their life was like. To me, that alone
makes the whole endeavor worthwhile.

As a johnny come lately (a convert) to the religion, I'm the last person
who should speak on the relevance to Judiasm in general. Despite the books
I've read, there's just so much you don't learn having not grown up in the
religion and culture. I can tell you it's given me a greater appreciation
for the religion and this group has taught me so very much. Just look at
the wide variety of topics that are discussed here which affect genealogy,
practices, names, etc.

We'll never be able to take our family back to before the 1700s. We
probably can't take them back to Biblical days and there are no famous
rabbis that stud our family tree. Yet we do feel a part of something
larger. A world that can trace its way back to the Holy Land and we can see
what effect that had on the lives of our ancestors. We've learned just how
important that unbroken line of belief was to them. And, by knowing more
about them and their lives, we feel that we're a link in an ongoing chain.

Cathy J. Flamholtz
Brent, AL
hafcjf@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Why Jewish genealogy #general

Hafcjf@...
 

Dear David,

I certainly don't feel qualified to talk in an all-encompassing way about
the goals of Jewish genealogy. There is one characteristic that I feel that
all of us who engage in the search have, though...Curiosity! We all begin
with an intense desire to know something and just plain get hooked on the
quest.

For me, it began with a promise to my deceased father-in-law. I'd always
enjoyed hearing his family stories and finally took the time to jot down a
few notes. It was some years after his death that I embarked on the search
and I wish he was alive to see how much we've learned. We've connected with
family members all over the globe. In the old days, families lived for
generations in a few shtetls, but now we are all dispersed. One of my
relatives said he felt as though he were raising a family of strangers. His
children had no sense of where they'd come >from and what relatives were out
there. I felt the same way. We live hundreds of miles >from any relatives
and my son hasn't yet met any of his extended family. But now we know and
have corresponded with hundreds of people out there that we're connected
to.

It's been difficult learning what happened to our family during the Shoah.
We know that had we been living in Poland, during those horrible years,
most of us would likely have died. But, we've also managed to connect with
survivors. We've learned about their experiences during the war and
thrilled to the story of the one who escaped the Warsaw Ghetto and fought
with the Polish underground. And we've fulfilled the admonition to bear
witness to what happened in a personal family way.

Most of us become fascinated with history. As Sally Bruckheimer said, those
dry facts really come to live when you can relate them to your ancestors
and gain an appreciation for what their life was like. To me, that alone
makes the whole endeavor worthwhile.

As a johnny come lately (a convert) to the religion, I'm the last person
who should speak on the relevance to Judiasm in general. Despite the books
I've read, there's just so much you don't learn having not grown up in the
religion and culture. I can tell you it's given me a greater appreciation
for the religion and this group has taught me so very much. Just look at
the wide variety of topics that are discussed here which affect genealogy,
practices, names, etc.

We'll never be able to take our family back to before the 1700s. We
probably can't take them back to Biblical days and there are no famous
rabbis that stud our family tree. Yet we do feel a part of something
larger. A world that can trace its way back to the Holy Land and we can see
what effect that had on the lives of our ancestors. We've learned just how
important that unbroken line of belief was to them. And, by knowing more
about them and their lives, we feel that we're a link in an ongoing chain.

Cathy J. Flamholtz
Brent, AL
hafcjf@aol.com


Re: Rostover #galicia

NFatouros@...
 

Dale Sherman Moon asked about "Rostover" on December 5, 2000 ,saying a
community of that name could not be found.

"Rostover" is an adjective, for the two towns called "Rostov." one of these
is "Rostov- on -Don is 25 miles >from the mouth of the Don River which empties
into the Sea of Azov/ The other Rostov is south southwest of the city of
Yaroslav.

To which Rostov the "rostover handwerker verein" referred, I cannot say.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY, Odessa, Berdichev; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SHUTZ, SCHUTZ,
Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;SAS, Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol.


Re: Prince #general

Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@...>
 

Sally (as always) is correct.

Name Prinz appears in Jaroslaw entries of Poland 1929 Business Directory.

Z.Prinz, Haberdasher, Rynek (Town's Main Marketing Square)
My curious question to Stephen: Is there any particular reason that the
records that you have examined for Jaroslaw are in Cyrillic? This was an
Austrian territory after all.

Regards,

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Alberta

"Sally Bruckheimer" <sallybru@pce.net> wrote in message

Stephen Shamroth wrote:
In researching my maternal lineI have been examining the LDS records from
Jaroslaw for the surname Prince. Although the records are in Cyrillic,it
is clear that nothing resembling "Prince" can be found.Would Prince be an
Anglicized version of a Polish Name? Any help would be appreciated.

If you can read the Cyrillic letters (P is the Greek letter pi from
geometry, R looks like P because it is rho in Greek, etc.) and have
checked lots of variant spellings (my Mother knew a man named Prinz which
would be more like the correct spelling-maybe even Princ in Polish), then
try Nasi-which is Hebrew similar in meaning to Prince.

Are the records available >from a time period when you are pretty sure
your family was there? Lots of people moved around, voluntarily or not.

Of course, the name could have been shortened and changed >from something
else, or they could have been >from somewhere near Jaroslaw, or both.
Have you tried JRI-PP and the Family Finder?

Keep trying, widen the search any way you can. Check more sources here
in the US to find if there might be a different town mentioned. I was
told my grandfather was >from Berdichev, recently I found out his brother
was supposed to have been born in Odessa which is no where near
Berdichev-I don't know which, if either, is a better place to look.

Never give up,

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Rostover #galicia

NFatouros@...
 

Dale Sherman Moon asked about "Rostover" on December 5, 2000 ,saying a
community of that name could not be found.

"Rostover" is an adjective, for the two towns called "Rostov." one of these
is "Rostov- on -Don is 25 miles >from the mouth of the Don River which empties
into the Sea of Azov/ The other Rostov is south southwest of the city of
Yaroslav.

To which Rostov the "rostover handwerker verein" referred, I cannot say.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY, Odessa, Berdichev; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SHUTZ, SCHUTZ,
Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;SAS, Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Prince #general

Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@...>
 

Sally (as always) is correct.

Name Prinz appears in Jaroslaw entries of Poland 1929 Business Directory.

Z.Prinz, Haberdasher, Rynek (Town's Main Marketing Square)
My curious question to Stephen: Is there any particular reason that the
records that you have examined for Jaroslaw are in Cyrillic? This was an
Austrian territory after all.

Regards,

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Alberta

"Sally Bruckheimer" <sallybru@pce.net> wrote in message

Stephen Shamroth wrote:
In researching my maternal lineI have been examining the LDS records from
Jaroslaw for the surname Prince. Although the records are in Cyrillic,it
is clear that nothing resembling "Prince" can be found.Would Prince be an
Anglicized version of a Polish Name? Any help would be appreciated.

If you can read the Cyrillic letters (P is the Greek letter pi from
geometry, R looks like P because it is rho in Greek, etc.) and have
checked lots of variant spellings (my Mother knew a man named Prinz which
would be more like the correct spelling-maybe even Princ in Polish), then
try Nasi-which is Hebrew similar in meaning to Prince.

Are the records available >from a time period when you are pretty sure
your family was there? Lots of people moved around, voluntarily or not.

Of course, the name could have been shortened and changed >from something
else, or they could have been >from somewhere near Jaroslaw, or both.
Have you tried JRI-PP and the Family Finder?

Keep trying, widen the search any way you can. Check more sources here
in the US to find if there might be a different town mentioned. I was
told my grandfather was >from Berdichev, recently I found out his brother
was supposed to have been born in Odessa which is no where near
Berdichev-I don't know which, if either, is a better place to look.

Never give up,

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY