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Lost and Found Desk #general

Lancy
 

This is a great initiative.

I'm sure we'll all benefit >from this option.

Lancy Spalter


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Lost and Found Desk #general

Lancy
 

This is a great initiative.

I'm sure we'll all benefit >from this option.

Lancy Spalter


London - Looking for burial place. Where to start? #general

Yaacov Slizak <yslizak@...>
 

Hi,

How can I locate my G-G-Grandfather's burial site ?. He died in London in
1924, but I don't have any idea where exactly did he lived.

I've got his Death Certificate >from the General Register Office. The
registration District was the "Mile End Old Town, South Western, County of
London". The informant was registered as "Deputy Coroner for the Eastern
District of London". These are the only clues I have about his residence...

I will spend a week in London next month and I'd like to have any advise
about how to locate his grave.

Thanks in advance.

Yaacov Slizak
Ennis, Co.Clare

Researching: PLOJT/KLEINER/PELTZ//GURFINKEL/FARBER/SPOSOB/SPOSEEP


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen London - Looking for burial place. Where to start? #general

Yaacov Slizak <yslizak@...>
 

Hi,

How can I locate my G-G-Grandfather's burial site ?. He died in London in
1924, but I don't have any idea where exactly did he lived.

I've got his Death Certificate >from the General Register Office. The
registration District was the "Mile End Old Town, South Western, County of
London". The informant was registered as "Deputy Coroner for the Eastern
District of London". These are the only clues I have about his residence...

I will spend a week in London next month and I'd like to have any advise
about how to locate his grave.

Thanks in advance.

Yaacov Slizak
Ennis, Co.Clare

Researching: PLOJT/KLEINER/PELTZ//GURFINKEL/FARBER/SPOSOB/SPOSEEP


Re: Moliff, Russia - where is it? #general

Simon Barak
 

Asparagirl wrote: ...Rifka...was born July 7, 1900 in Moliff,
Russia.....Where is Moliff, Russia?
Stan Goodman wrote: Try looking up "Mogilev" or "Mohilev"
Probably Stan is right (especially since Mogilev Podolsky was in Podolia)
but I have found also a town called Mohaliva in Bessarabia, then part of
Russia.

Shimon Barak
ISRAEL


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Moliff, Russia - where is it? #general

Simon Barak
 

Asparagirl wrote: ...Rifka...was born July 7, 1900 in Moliff,
Russia.....Where is Moliff, Russia?
Stan Goodman wrote: Try looking up "Mogilev" or "Mohilev"
Probably Stan is right (especially since Mogilev Podolsky was in Podolia)
but I have found also a town called Mohaliva in Bessarabia, then part of
Russia.

Shimon Barak
ISRAEL


Re: Occupation #france

Ilya Zeldes <ilyaz@...>
 

Dear Genners:
This is to send thanks to all the Genners (almost three dozens of you!),
who answered my call for help and deciphered the word in a Passenger list.
If voting in the general presidential elections was so unanimous, we'd have
a new president long ago. All of you were unanimous in your reading of
<CLERK>.
Thanks a lot for your time and help! Happy Thanksgiving to you all!

Ilya Zeldes
ILYAZ@ILINE.COM


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Occupation #general

Ilya Zeldes <ilyaz@...>
 

Dear Genners:
This is to send thanks to all the Genners (almost three dozens of you!),
who answered my call for help and deciphered the word in a Passenger list.
If voting in the general presidential elections was so unanimous, we'd have
a new president long ago. All of you were unanimous in your reading of
<CLERK>.
Thanks a lot for your time and help! Happy Thanksgiving to you all!

Ilya Zeldes
ILYAZ@ILINE.COM


A Response to Mrs. Bruckenheimer #general

Brandler Institute of Chasidic Thought <bict@...>
 

Mrs. Sally Bruckenheimer has recently expressed her being "upset" at my
messages regarding Yiddish names. Though I truly regret unwillingly
causing her pain by seemingly ignoring her non Easter-European ancestors,
I am very surprised by her accusations. My postings were merely a response
to numerous requests on this list, as well as dozens more sent to me
privately by members of this list regarding Yiddish names of their
ancestors. I obviously was responding and referring to these when I
mentioned establishing a possible database for these researchers. Perhaps I
should have stressed that I meant "every Jewish name used in these
countries" but I thought that it was self explanatory.
I would be glad to work with Mrs. Bruckenheimer in obtaining and
establishing databeases of first names and their equivalents for other
countries as well, and I feel that Rabbinical courts is the best place to
start. I never insinuated that such a database shold be a criteria but
rather a finding aid for researchers.
Indeed this is "This is Jewishgen, not 'Eastern European Jewishgen", and I
would be very happy and fascinated to learn more about the names of other
countries. I think that instad of criticizing my attempts to join many
others in trying to help researchers working on Yiddish names, Mrs.
Bruckenheimer should contribute to this list information regarding given
names of Italian, French, Spanish, Dutch, English, Turkish, and even
Moroccan Jewish ancestors that could be useful to us all.

Abraham J. Heschel

Brooklyn NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen A Response to Mrs. Bruckenheimer #general

Brandler Institute of Chasidic Thought <bict@...>
 

Mrs. Sally Bruckenheimer has recently expressed her being "upset" at my
messages regarding Yiddish names. Though I truly regret unwillingly
causing her pain by seemingly ignoring her non Easter-European ancestors,
I am very surprised by her accusations. My postings were merely a response
to numerous requests on this list, as well as dozens more sent to me
privately by members of this list regarding Yiddish names of their
ancestors. I obviously was responding and referring to these when I
mentioned establishing a possible database for these researchers. Perhaps I
should have stressed that I meant "every Jewish name used in these
countries" but I thought that it was self explanatory.
I would be glad to work with Mrs. Bruckenheimer in obtaining and
establishing databeases of first names and their equivalents for other
countries as well, and I feel that Rabbinical courts is the best place to
start. I never insinuated that such a database shold be a criteria but
rather a finding aid for researchers.
Indeed this is "This is Jewishgen, not 'Eastern European Jewishgen", and I
would be very happy and fascinated to learn more about the names of other
countries. I think that instad of criticizing my attempts to join many
others in trying to help researchers working on Yiddish names, Mrs.
Bruckenheimer should contribute to this list information regarding given
names of Italian, French, Spanish, Dutch, English, Turkish, and even
Moroccan Jewish ancestors that could be useful to us all.

Abraham J. Heschel

Brooklyn NY


Jews in the Liquor Industry #general

snillop@...
 

Those interested in this subject might like to know of this publication:
Magda Opalski, The Jewish Tavern-Keeper and his Tavern in
Nineteenth-century Polish Literature, Jerusalem, 1986.
'Literature' here means fiction.

Harold Pollins
Oxford


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jews in the Liquor Industry #general

snillop@...
 

Those interested in this subject might like to know of this publication:
Magda Opalski, The Jewish Tavern-Keeper and his Tavern in
Nineteenth-century Polish Literature, Jerusalem, 1986.
'Literature' here means fiction.

Harold Pollins
Oxford


Re: Moliff, Russia #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

I would guess Mogilev. If an English speaking clerk heard Mogilev,
Moliff is what he might write. Same if an English speaking kid heard
his grandmother say where she was born. (My 1st cousin said he heard
his father say he was born is Spittule, Poland-I searched for Spittule
for a long time before I overheard a person reading Polish to another
researcher in the library-Spittule means hospital. Great great uncle
Moses was probably born in a hospital in Poland, how unusual).

Good luck

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Moliff, Russia #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

I would guess Mogilev. If an English speaking clerk heard Mogilev,
Moliff is what he might write. Same if an English speaking kid heard
his grandmother say where she was born. (My 1st cousin said he heard
his father say he was born is Spittule, Poland-I searched for Spittule
for a long time before I overheard a person reading Polish to another
researcher in the library-Spittule means hospital. Great great uncle
Moses was probably born in a hospital in Poland, how unusual).

Good luck

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY


Re: "Moliff, Russia -where is it? #general

NFatouros@...
 

In her message of 11-22-00, Brooke Schreier asked what and where "Moliff"
might be. Perhaps her ancestral town was "Molev" known also as "Mohilev"
and "Mogilev." In Ukrainian,probably the ending would be "iv" often
transliterated as "iff." The town is in Belarus on the Dnieper River, 110
miles east of the city of Minsk.

My Columbia-Lippincott Gazetteer says that it was a junction for four rail
lines, and was an industrial and transportation center. The population was
30% Jewish until the Second World War. An old town, it was ruled for many
years by Lithuania and Poland and acquired by Russia in 1772.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY, Odessa, Berdichev; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SHUTZ, SCHUTZ,
Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;SAS, Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol.


Re: Miromovich #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

-ovich is a Russian patronymic ending, spelled variously in English. It
means the son of whatever. Mirom, I would guess, like Marum is an
acronym for Rabbi Meir of Rothenburg. So some ancestor used the name
Marum (like I have in my family) after this great rabbi of the middle
ages and his son was Abraham (or whatever) Miromovich and the family
used the patronymic for a family name.

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: "Moliff, Russia -where is it? #general

NFatouros@...
 

In her message of 11-22-00, Brooke Schreier asked what and where "Moliff"
might be. Perhaps her ancestral town was "Molev" known also as "Mohilev"
and "Mogilev." In Ukrainian,probably the ending would be "iv" often
transliterated as "iff." The town is in Belarus on the Dnieper River, 110
miles east of the city of Minsk.

My Columbia-Lippincott Gazetteer says that it was a junction for four rail
lines, and was an industrial and transportation center. The population was
30% Jewish until the Second World War. An old town, it was ruled for many
years by Lithuania and Poland and acquired by Russia in 1772.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY, Odessa, Berdichev; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SHUTZ, SCHUTZ,
Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;SAS, Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Miromovich #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

-ovich is a Russian patronymic ending, spelled variously in English. It
means the son of whatever. Mirom, I would guess, like Marum is an
acronym for Rabbi Meir of Rothenburg. So some ancestor used the name
Marum (like I have in my family) after this great rabbi of the middle
ages and his son was Abraham (or whatever) Miromovich and the family
used the patronymic for a family name.

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY


Re: Zeev and Elster #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

"One of the things we at the Brandler Institute is working on is getting
copies of lists of names that was used by Rabbinical courts in Eastern
Europe - such lists would include every Jewish name and its relevant
"nickname" in use before the war. Since this is type of material is not
sold, we hope to work with the peresent day Rabbinical court system in
acquiring these lists. Perhaps sometime in the future we culd create a
database that could be place on the web."

The more I read of your e-mail the more upset I become. You at the
Brandler Institute assume that every Jew in the world should work off of
your list of what names were used by the Rabbinical courts in Eastern
Europe.

How about my German, Italian, French, Spanish, Dutch, English, Turkish, and
even Moroccan Jewish ancestors. How about Syrian, Iranian, Indian,
etc. Jews.

This is Jewishgen, not 'Eastern European Jewishgen' so don't expect for
the Jewish genealogical community to be ruled by what the Rabbinical
courts in Eastern Europe think Jewish names should have been.

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Zeev and Elster #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

"One of the things we at the Brandler Institute is working on is getting
copies of lists of names that was used by Rabbinical courts in Eastern
Europe - such lists would include every Jewish name and its relevant
"nickname" in use before the war. Since this is type of material is not
sold, we hope to work with the peresent day Rabbinical court system in
acquiring these lists. Perhaps sometime in the future we culd create a
database that could be place on the web."

The more I read of your e-mail the more upset I become. You at the
Brandler Institute assume that every Jew in the world should work off of
your list of what names were used by the Rabbinical courts in Eastern
Europe.

How about my German, Italian, French, Spanish, Dutch, English, Turkish, and
even Moroccan Jewish ancestors. How about Syrian, Iranian, Indian,
etc. Jews.

This is Jewishgen, not 'Eastern European Jewishgen' so don't expect for
the Jewish genealogical community to be ruled by what the Rabbinical
courts in Eastern Europe think Jewish names should have been.

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY