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ViewMate Posting file VM119: Origin of Lockets #general

HEYTEACH@...
 

Hello all,

I would appreciate it if one of you could assist me in identifying the origin
of the two lockets I have posted in To View File VM119. The smaller of the
two was given to me when I was a child. My sister and a paternal first cousin
also received one. They are both enamel, and I have a feeling they are
Russian in origin, but I am not sure.

The small one I received prior to 1958. Th larger one I saw on ebay and
purchased it. The major difference between the two is that the figure holding
the ten commandants on the smaller one has the commandments numbered in
Hebrew and the larger has the Roman numerals.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated,

Susan SILVERSTEIN
Heyteach@aol.com
San Diego, CA

Searching: BERNSTEIN...England ??; COHAN/GOLDEN....Russia; Weiner;
EDELSTEIN...Russia/ New Jersey


Moliff = Mogilev #general

Glenn A. Gorelick <GGorelick@...>
 

To Brooke, other confused Jewishgenners,

Wouldn't it be nice if everything for which we search were easily spelled
and pronounced...

Moliff doesn't exist, but nevertheless was somektimes written on
naturalization papers for individuals who referred to their town of origin
as Mogilev (often meaning the gubernija, in Belarus). It may even refer to
the actual city of Mogilev (also in Belarus).

Glenn Gorelick
JGSLA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate Posting file VM119: Origin of Lockets #general

HEYTEACH@...
 

Hello all,

I would appreciate it if one of you could assist me in identifying the origin
of the two lockets I have posted in To View File VM119. The smaller of the
two was given to me when I was a child. My sister and a paternal first cousin
also received one. They are both enamel, and I have a feeling they are
Russian in origin, but I am not sure.

The small one I received prior to 1958. Th larger one I saw on ebay and
purchased it. The major difference between the two is that the figure holding
the ten commandants on the smaller one has the commandments numbered in
Hebrew and the larger has the Roman numerals.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated,

Susan SILVERSTEIN
Heyteach@aol.com
San Diego, CA

Searching: BERNSTEIN...England ??; COHAN/GOLDEN....Russia; Weiner;
EDELSTEIN...Russia/ New Jersey


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Moliff = Mogilev #general

Glenn A. Gorelick <GGorelick@...>
 

To Brooke, other confused Jewishgenners,

Wouldn't it be nice if everything for which we search were easily spelled
and pronounced...

Moliff doesn't exist, but nevertheless was somektimes written on
naturalization papers for individuals who referred to their town of origin
as Mogilev (often meaning the gubernija, in Belarus). It may even refer to
the actual city of Mogilev (also in Belarus).

Glenn Gorelick
JGSLA


Re: Jewish bootleggers #general

BetteJoy <bettejoy@...>
 

A book was published early this year, " The Purple Gang ", by Paul Kavieff. It
discusses the Jewish gangster era in Detroit. The Purple gang began as
bootleggers, and continued on to murder and mayhem. Many criminals connections
to other other cities and gangs are noted. This book may be of value since
Detroit is across the river >from Windsor, Canada.

Betty Provizer Starkman
Bloomfield Hills, MI


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Jewish bootleggers #general

BetteJoy <bettejoy@...>
 

A book was published early this year, " The Purple Gang ", by Paul Kavieff. It
discusses the Jewish gangster era in Detroit. The Purple gang began as
bootleggers, and continued on to murder and mayhem. Many criminals connections
to other other cities and gangs are noted. This book may be of value since
Detroit is across the river >from Windsor, Canada.

Betty Provizer Starkman
Bloomfield Hills, MI


Seeking Yiddish to English Translation #general

EEllman@...
 

I have a number of letters and postcards that I would like to have translated
from Yiddish in to English. Can someone(s) point me to a person who can
accomplish this goal? I understand that if there are fees involved, the
reply to this message must be private. Thank you.

Eric J. Ellman
N. Bethesda, MD

Searching: ELLMAN (Minkovsty, Ukraine), ROSENBERG (Lomza, or Tornograd, or
Lask, Poland), KOTZEN (Riga, Latvia), KREIGER (Riga, Latvia; and Kedainiai,
Lithuania), FAGIN (Dvinsk, Latvia), MAIDMAN (Minkovsty, Ukraine), GREENBERG
(Rzeszow, Poland)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking Yiddish to English Translation #general

EEllman@...
 

I have a number of letters and postcards that I would like to have translated
from Yiddish in to English. Can someone(s) point me to a person who can
accomplish this goal? I understand that if there are fees involved, the
reply to this message must be private. Thank you.

Eric J. Ellman
N. Bethesda, MD

Searching: ELLMAN (Minkovsty, Ukraine), ROSENBERG (Lomza, or Tornograd, or
Lask, Poland), KOTZEN (Riga, Latvia), KREIGER (Riga, Latvia; and Kedainiai,
Lithuania), FAGIN (Dvinsk, Latvia), MAIDMAN (Minkovsty, Ukraine), GREENBERG
(Rzeszow, Poland)


Related given names (kinnuim) diveded on two brothers #general

IsraelP <zach4v6@...>
 

We have a Pikholz family with sisters named Feige and Cipora.

In more modern times, two of my sisters have the middle name Leah,
and I have cousins (brothers) who are both Chaim, one as a first
name and the other as a second name. I don't think my parents
asked the rabbi about the two Leahs, but I know that my aunt and
uncle asked about the two Chaims and were told it's no problem.

Israel Pickholtz

I have a question I hope some of you can give some comments on. In my own,
as well as other families, I have been researching, I have several times
jumped over the phenomenon that two brothers bear two given names that are
related to each other, i.e. kinnuim. Here are some examples:

Brother no. 1: Brother no. 2:

Yehuda Leyb (eventually with Aryeh as his Hebrew given name)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Related given names (kinnuim) diveded on two brothers #general

IsraelP <zach4v6@...>
 

We have a Pikholz family with sisters named Feige and Cipora.

In more modern times, two of my sisters have the middle name Leah,
and I have cousins (brothers) who are both Chaim, one as a first
name and the other as a second name. I don't think my parents
asked the rabbi about the two Leahs, but I know that my aunt and
uncle asked about the two Chaims and were told it's no problem.

Israel Pickholtz

I have a question I hope some of you can give some comments on. In my own,
as well as other families, I have been researching, I have several times
jumped over the phenomenon that two brothers bear two given names that are
related to each other, i.e. kinnuim. Here are some examples:

Brother no. 1: Brother no. 2:

Yehuda Leyb (eventually with Aryeh as his Hebrew given name)


Re: ben and bit #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

I am looking at a bunch of document and was wondering exactly how these
names were used and what sequence they would follow, please privatelly
email if you can help....if mother name was Ruth , her mother was
Elizabeth her mother was Marian. can you give examples of wothey are
used in sequence// also father was Isaac and his father was israel and
his was joseph etc .. thanks for the help

Merle Kucan
There is no obvious sequence here, in either the male or female names
(though there is a commonality, since all are biblical Hebrew names; Marion
= Miriam and Elizabeth = Elisheva). I would assume that at least some of
these names were bestowed in memory of a departed ancestor, most likely a
grandfather or grandmother.

A meaningful sequence can and does occur, however, when names alternate
down the generations, e.g. where "Isaac, son of Joseph" names his son
"Joseph, son of Isaac." This almost always means that the child was
named for a deceased grandfather -- at least in the case of the the 85% of
American Jewishgenners whose ancestors (so an irate poster recently
informed us) stem >from eastern European communities.

For the remaining 15% of the list (no less important, and including
Sephardim, Ashkenazim >from western European countries like Germany -- and
those of Dutch-Anglo-Jewish provenance like myself) the alternating
sequence of names can and does occur even when the grandfather had not
actually died before the grandson's birth. That is because those groups do
not share the wide-spread East-European Jewish superstition that avoids
using the name of a living person lest the Angel of Death is listening and
targets that person!)

Judith Romney Wegner


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: ben and bit #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

I am looking at a bunch of document and was wondering exactly how these
names were used and what sequence they would follow, please privatelly
email if you can help....if mother name was Ruth , her mother was
Elizabeth her mother was Marian. can you give examples of wothey are
used in sequence// also father was Isaac and his father was israel and
his was joseph etc .. thanks for the help

Merle Kucan
There is no obvious sequence here, in either the male or female names
(though there is a commonality, since all are biblical Hebrew names; Marion
= Miriam and Elizabeth = Elisheva). I would assume that at least some of
these names were bestowed in memory of a departed ancestor, most likely a
grandfather or grandmother.

A meaningful sequence can and does occur, however, when names alternate
down the generations, e.g. where "Isaac, son of Joseph" names his son
"Joseph, son of Isaac." This almost always means that the child was
named for a deceased grandfather -- at least in the case of the the 85% of
American Jewishgenners whose ancestors (so an irate poster recently
informed us) stem >from eastern European communities.

For the remaining 15% of the list (no less important, and including
Sephardim, Ashkenazim >from western European countries like Germany -- and
those of Dutch-Anglo-Jewish provenance like myself) the alternating
sequence of names can and does occur even when the grandfather had not
actually died before the grandson's birth. That is because those groups do
not share the wide-spread East-European Jewish superstition that avoids
using the name of a living person lest the Angel of Death is listening and
targets that person!)

Judith Romney Wegner


Thank to all #general

MERLE KUCAN <BUTCHKUCAN@...>
 

Who took the time to help me ,,,it is great to see so many who are
willing to share your time to write to others with help,,,Thanks Again

Merle Kucan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Thank to all #general

MERLE KUCAN <BUTCHKUCAN@...>
 

Who took the time to help me ,,,it is great to see so many who are
willing to share your time to write to others with help,,,Thanks Again

Merle Kucan


Re: What's new at the Belarus SIG #belarus

Lamdan <susan.lamdan@...>
 

Dear Edward,

Congratulations on the latest additions to the information now available
through the Belarus SIG's Home Page.

They are all great but, if I may say so, I find Vitaly Charny's list of
5,500 surnames a partcularly useful tool. Although not complete,
we now have, for the first time, a reliable base of names which were
current among Jews in the Minsk Gubernya
at the beginning of the 20th century.

What seems remarkable, at least on the face of it, is the large number of
names which were "unique" or borne by very small numbers of
individuals in the sample (draft evaders). This seems to indicate that the
Jews had a very wide range of surnames, which in itself says something,
given the fact that they were only required to adopt them >from 1804 onwards.

Many thanks to all the contributors,

Neville Lamdan,
Vatican.


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: What's new at the Belarus SIG #belarus

Lamdan <susan.lamdan@...>
 

Dear Edward,

Congratulations on the latest additions to the information now available
through the Belarus SIG's Home Page.

They are all great but, if I may say so, I find Vitaly Charny's list of
5,500 surnames a partcularly useful tool. Although not complete,
we now have, for the first time, a reliable base of names which were
current among Jews in the Minsk Gubernya
at the beginning of the 20th century.

What seems remarkable, at least on the face of it, is the large number of
names which were "unique" or borne by very small numbers of
individuals in the sample (draft evaders). This seems to indicate that the
Jews had a very wide range of surnames, which in itself says something,
given the fact that they were only required to adopt them >from 1804 onwards.

Many thanks to all the contributors,

Neville Lamdan,
Vatican.


Draft Dodgers #belarus

Logan Lockabey <loganisjudd@...>
 

I read the item about the list of Draft dodgers in Minsk. I believe it was
prepared by Vitaly Charny. I discovered 17 surnames that appear on my
family tree. My question is, "What can I do with this information?"
"Is there other information available rather than just the surnames?"

Perhaps Mr. Charny could respond. I do not have his E-mail.

Logan Lockabey


Belarus SIG #Belarus Draft Dodgers #belarus

Logan Lockabey <loganisjudd@...>
 

I read the item about the list of Draft dodgers in Minsk. I believe it was
prepared by Vitaly Charny. I discovered 17 surnames that appear on my
family tree. My question is, "What can I do with this information?"
"Is there other information available rather than just the surnames?"

Perhaps Mr. Charny could respond. I do not have his E-mail.

Logan Lockabey


Re: BRISK from Brisk-Litovsk/Saffed/Egypt/England/Singapore #general

Cyndee Meystel <cmeys@...>
 

Major problem in your quest -- the Soloveichik family were not and are not
hassidic -- they were and are prominent and influential *non*-hassidic
rabbinic leaders.

Cyndee Meystel
Chicago, IL

NOTICE: The e-mail address is deliberately incorrect. Delete "nospam" from
the e-mail address to reply.
cmeys@nospamearthlink.net

"WDawer" <wdawer@aol.com> wrote :

searching out any information regarding BRISK family - earliest known
member Morris BRISK, dob circa 1830 in Brest. Family belonged to hassidic
sect headed by Rabbi Soloveichik. In early 1800s, a branch of the family
moved to Saffed, and then on to Egypt. There were 3 brothers, one
remained in Egypt, one went to Singapore and the 3rd went to Manchester,
England in 1896. All 3 were in the textile business.

Any info would be appreciated. Wendy Dawer


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: BRISK from Brisk-Litovsk/Saffed/Egypt/England/Singapore #general

Cyndee Meystel <cmeys@...>
 

Major problem in your quest -- the Soloveichik family were not and are not
hassidic -- they were and are prominent and influential *non*-hassidic
rabbinic leaders.

Cyndee Meystel
Chicago, IL

NOTICE: The e-mail address is deliberately incorrect. Delete "nospam" from
the e-mail address to reply.
cmeys@nospamearthlink.net

"WDawer" <wdawer@aol.com> wrote :

searching out any information regarding BRISK family - earliest known
member Morris BRISK, dob circa 1830 in Brest. Family belonged to hassidic
sect headed by Rabbi Soloveichik. In early 1800s, a branch of the family
moved to Saffed, and then on to Egypt. There were 3 brothers, one
remained in Egypt, one went to Singapore and the 3rd went to Manchester,
England in 1896. All 3 were in the textile business.

Any info would be appreciated. Wendy Dawer