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Re: My Grandfather Israel Wulfow #ciechanow #poland

ggold <ggold@...>
 

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The groom is Majer Bursztyn, son of Mosek (son of Mortko) and Chaja Sura
(daughter of Wolf). Majer was 19 when the marriage was reported in
Ciechanow during 1836. No information on the bride appears in the index but
will in the actual record.

Regards,

Jonathan Goldmacher

With regard to "Mosek Mortkowicz," is Majer the son of Mosek and Mosek the
son of Mortko, or is Mosek and Mortko the same?

Regards,

Gary Goldstein




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Ah! I checked the main Ciechanow page and the "Type
M" does stand for "marriage records".

So I am also confused by the headings at the top of
the table.
SURNAME: BURSZTYN
GIVEN NAMES: Majer
AKT: 2
FATHER: Mosek Mortkowicz
MOTHER: Chaja Sura Wolfow
AGE: 19
TOWN: Ciechanow
YEAR: 1836
TYPE: M
FILM: 702466

This does not make it clear who the bride and groom
are. Mosek and Chaja are listed as parents, but
chaja is only 19!

Andy


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marti Wulfow Garner" <wulfow@mindspring.com>
To: "Ciechanow Research Group"
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Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 11:13 PM
Subject: My Grandfather Israel Wulfow


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I was very suprised to see the surname Wulfow
listed in some of the
Ciechanow lists. The only Wulfows I know are my
fathers brothers and their
wives and children. My grandfather left Russia to
avoid serving in the
Czar's army. This was prior to 1910. I know this
date because my
grandfather's brother and his twin sons came for a
visit and then went back.
This is the last we heard >from them. This
greatuncle supposedly went back
because his wife did not wish to leave her
belongings behind which she would
have had to done to emigrate.

Does anyone know why I might have found my surname
in the lists located at
www.firstport.com/ciechanow/m1836-40.htm and what
this means. I am
clueless.
Thanks for any help
Marti Wulfow Garner


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#Ciechanow #Poland Re: My Grandfather Israel Wulfow #ciechanow #poland

ggold <ggold@...>
 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The groom is Majer Bursztyn, son of Mosek (son of Mortko) and Chaja Sura
(daughter of Wolf). Majer was 19 when the marriage was reported in
Ciechanow during 1836. No information on the bride appears in the index but
will in the actual record.

Regards,

Jonathan Goldmacher

With regard to "Mosek Mortkowicz," is Majer the son of Mosek and Mosek the
son of Mortko, or is Mosek and Mortko the same?

Regards,

Gary Goldstein




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Ah! I checked the main Ciechanow page and the "Type
M" does stand for "marriage records".

So I am also confused by the headings at the top of
the table.
SURNAME: BURSZTYN
GIVEN NAMES: Majer
AKT: 2
FATHER: Mosek Mortkowicz
MOTHER: Chaja Sura Wolfow
AGE: 19
TOWN: Ciechanow
YEAR: 1836
TYPE: M
FILM: 702466

This does not make it clear who the bride and groom
are. Mosek and Chaja are listed as parents, but
chaja is only 19!

Andy


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marti Wulfow Garner" <wulfow@mindspring.com>
To: "Ciechanow Research Group"
<ciechanow@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 11:13 PM
Subject: My Grandfather Israel Wulfow


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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I was very suprised to see the surname Wulfow
listed in some of the
Ciechanow lists. The only Wulfows I know are my
fathers brothers and their
wives and children. My grandfather left Russia to
avoid serving in the
Czar's army. This was prior to 1910. I know this
date because my
grandfather's brother and his twin sons came for a
visit and then went back.
This is the last we heard >from them. This
greatuncle supposedly went back
because his wife did not wish to leave her
belongings behind which she would
have had to done to emigrate.

Does anyone know why I might have found my surname
in the lists located at
www.firstport.com/ciechanow/m1836-40.htm and what
this means. I am
clueless.
Thanks for any help
Marti Wulfow Garner


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Re: Some thoughts #general

Maria Krane
 

To David and the rest of the Genners out there:
I think your question is a valid one. I learned to love the
connections I had with my past and with my roots as a very young child at
my grandfather's knee. I don't know what would happen if one day I woke up
and all the empty boxes on my family tree were filled in. Perhaps I'd feel
a great deal of disappointment at having lost my quest. I can tell you
this much. I feel, breathe, and see through our ancestor's eyes. I
imagine the clothing they wore, the places they walked, the words they
spoke. Every new person is another part of me, of who I am, of where I
came from, of what I feel, see and love. I am nothing without them. They
brought me to this juncture in life. This time and space I occupy is only
thanks to G-d and those who came before me. I don't know how else to
explain it. It's part of who I am and I can't divorce myself >from it.
That's why it is so important to help those who survived the Holocaust
reconstruct what was stolen >from them.
We are nothing without a past, without roots, and of course
wings.......................
Maria Krane
MariaKrane@aol.com
Pembroke Pines, (sunny south Florida) USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Some thoughts #general

Maria Krane
 

To David and the rest of the Genners out there:
I think your question is a valid one. I learned to love the
connections I had with my past and with my roots as a very young child at
my grandfather's knee. I don't know what would happen if one day I woke up
and all the empty boxes on my family tree were filled in. Perhaps I'd feel
a great deal of disappointment at having lost my quest. I can tell you
this much. I feel, breathe, and see through our ancestor's eyes. I
imagine the clothing they wore, the places they walked, the words they
spoke. Every new person is another part of me, of who I am, of where I
came from, of what I feel, see and love. I am nothing without them. They
brought me to this juncture in life. This time and space I occupy is only
thanks to G-d and those who came before me. I don't know how else to
explain it. It's part of who I am and I can't divorce myself >from it.
That's why it is so important to help those who survived the Holocaust
reconstruct what was stolen >from them.
We are nothing without a past, without roots, and of course
wings.......................
Maria Krane
MariaKrane@aol.com
Pembroke Pines, (sunny south Florida) USA


Re: Indexing of Belarus Records #belarus

Plutsk@...
 

Miriam Margolyes has expressed very well an important direction the
SIG and others should be considering. By facilitating the indexing
of records (perhaps via contract with the experienced Genealogical
Society of Utah) while leaving to the records' owners the retrieval,
copying, and sales of copied records, we create a win-win situation
which could be a model for many other locations and situations.

Steve Gold
Detroit area


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Indexing of Belarus Records #belarus

Plutsk@...
 

Miriam Margolyes has expressed very well an important direction the
SIG and others should be considering. By facilitating the indexing
of records (perhaps via contract with the experienced Genealogical
Society of Utah) while leaving to the records' owners the retrieval,
copying, and sales of copied records, we create a win-win situation
which could be a model for many other locations and situations.

Steve Gold
Detroit area


Masche Thanks you #general

A. E. Jordan
 

Many thanks for everyone who took time to write back about my note on the
name Masche. Sorry if I did not get back to you personally -- I got a lot
of emails.

The consensus was that Masche = Masha and was a female name, although many
peoplesaid she was named for a man.

I got the passenger list in question today and yes it was a woman and I am
fairly sure she is a family member. According to legend she was smuggled
out of Courland in 1891 in the back of a hay wagon! No one seems to know
why. She seemsto have sailed alone arriving in New York in October 1891.
Her father and brother was already here but her mother was still in
Courland.

By the way I found her on the online Hamburg passenger index. The index
makes it real simple. I wrote down the ship name and her passenger number,
got the date of arrival in New York >from the online version of Morton Allen
and then it was simple. The passenger number online in the Hamburg index
directly corresponded to the original microfilm of the NY arrival passenger
list -- I found Masche in a matter of minutes!

Thanks to all and good luck with your research.

Allan Jordan

aejordan@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Masche Thanks you #general

A. E. Jordan
 

Many thanks for everyone who took time to write back about my note on the
name Masche. Sorry if I did not get back to you personally -- I got a lot
of emails.

The consensus was that Masche = Masha and was a female name, although many
peoplesaid she was named for a man.

I got the passenger list in question today and yes it was a woman and I am
fairly sure she is a family member. According to legend she was smuggled
out of Courland in 1891 in the back of a hay wagon! No one seems to know
why. She seemsto have sailed alone arriving in New York in October 1891.
Her father and brother was already here but her mother was still in
Courland.

By the way I found her on the online Hamburg passenger index. The index
makes it real simple. I wrote down the ship name and her passenger number,
got the date of arrival in New York >from the online version of Morton Allen
and then it was simple. The passenger number online in the Hamburg index
directly corresponded to the original microfilm of the NY arrival passenger
list -- I found Masche in a matter of minutes!

Thanks to all and good luck with your research.

Allan Jordan

aejordan@aol.com


The Kohen hand sign #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

Susan Stock wrote:
>Hello all.. I just received a photograph of my GGGrandparents headstones.
I was surprised to read something I hadn't known before. MyGGGrandfather
Nathan Mendel was born in Schroda, Prussia June 19, 1828. On the stone
there are hands making the "Nanoo-Nanoo" sign ...>from Mork and Mindy!
That's the only way to describe it!
I don't specifically recall the "Nanoo-Nanoo" hand sign. But I think you
may actually be referring to Spock's hand sign in Star Trek. If so (and
if your ggf was a kohen) what you see on the headstone is a pair of
upraised hands with the fingers separated two-and-two, which marks the
grave of a Kohen. This is the way Kohanim traditionally configure their
hands when blessing the congregation in a liturgical ritual performed on
festivals in orthodox diaspora synagogues -- and every shabbat in Israeli
synagogues -- based on the commandment in Numbers 6:22-27.

Leonard Nimoy (Mr. Spock) was in fact a kohen and he has gone on record as
explaining that he learned to do that with his hands after he became Bar
Mitzvah and thus eligible to go up and bless the people -- but it's news to
me that Robin Williams was Jewish at all!

Judith Romney Wegner


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen The Kohen hand sign #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

Susan Stock wrote:
>Hello all.. I just received a photograph of my GGGrandparents headstones.
I was surprised to read something I hadn't known before. MyGGGrandfather
Nathan Mendel was born in Schroda, Prussia June 19, 1828. On the stone
there are hands making the "Nanoo-Nanoo" sign ...>from Mork and Mindy!
That's the only way to describe it!
I don't specifically recall the "Nanoo-Nanoo" hand sign. But I think you
may actually be referring to Spock's hand sign in Star Trek. If so (and
if your ggf was a kohen) what you see on the headstone is a pair of
upraised hands with the fingers separated two-and-two, which marks the
grave of a Kohen. This is the way Kohanim traditionally configure their
hands when blessing the congregation in a liturgical ritual performed on
festivals in orthodox diaspora synagogues -- and every shabbat in Israeli
synagogues -- based on the commandment in Numbers 6:22-27.

Leonard Nimoy (Mr. Spock) was in fact a kohen and he has gone on record as
explaining that he learned to do that with his hands after he became Bar
Mitzvah and thus eligible to go up and bless the people -- but it's news to
me that Robin Williams was Jewish at all!

Judith Romney Wegner


Croation Jews #general

MERLE KUCAN <BUTCHKUCAN@...>
 

A researching my grandparent who lived in Croatia during the 1900-1920
period. Would anyone know of any place to find this information.
Need your help thanks

MODERATOR NOTE: The JewishGen InfoFiles directory at
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with basic information on Jewish research in Croatia.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Croation Jews #general

MERLE KUCAN <BUTCHKUCAN@...>
 

A researching my grandparent who lived in Croatia during the 1900-1920
period. Would anyone know of any place to find this information.
Need your help thanks

MODERATOR NOTE: The JewishGen InfoFiles directory at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles> has an InfoFile
with basic information on Jewish research in Croatia.


Eishyshok was in Poland between WWI and WWII #general

Phrases1@...
 

Carol Skydell was quite correct.

Eisiskes/Eshishuk/Ejszyzki/Eisheshok at 54o10' 25o04'
was miasto (county town) and a council office in the
First Uchastok, Lida powiat, Nowogrodskie voevodstvo of
Poland between WWI and WWII.

The same applies to the subordinate villages and hamlets of
Gilwiniszki, Horostaiszki, Jurggiszki/Yuratshiki), Hornostaiszki,
Juryzdyka, Kolesniki (Kalesnik), Korsaki, Kukawka, Nacha,
Plytnica, Podborze, Ponierdzil, Songiniszki, Swiackewicze,
Tawsiuny, Tetiance, Wersoka and estates and hamlets: Antoniszki,
Bialopriotry, Bratomierz, Dzickance, Dzierzanieszki, Emilucin,
Galdzie, Hermany, Hubertowo, Jawor, Jurele, Korkuciany, Lubkiszki,
Marcinkszki, Marjanowka, Marjanowo, Mongieliszki, Nowokunce,
Pietuchowo, Raubiszki, Runkuny, Struciszki, Wojdagi, Wojsiaty,
Woroniszki, Zalesie, Zubiszki.

Most specific information may be gleaned at
http://members.nbci.com/newhoir/lida-site/lida-dist.htm

Ellen Sadove Renck
Lida District Researchers Coordinator

Subject: Re: Video - There once was a Town
From: "Zalman Latzkovich" <zalman@sympatico.ca>
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 20:38:15 -0500

To Carol Skydell,

As far as I know, the town of Eishyshok was in Lithuania and
not in Poland before WWII .

Zalman Latzkovich
Toronto


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Eishyshok was in Poland between WWI and WWII #general

Phrases1@...
 

Carol Skydell was quite correct.

Eisiskes/Eshishuk/Ejszyzki/Eisheshok at 54o10' 25o04'
was miasto (county town) and a council office in the
First Uchastok, Lida powiat, Nowogrodskie voevodstvo of
Poland between WWI and WWII.

The same applies to the subordinate villages and hamlets of
Gilwiniszki, Horostaiszki, Jurggiszki/Yuratshiki), Hornostaiszki,
Juryzdyka, Kolesniki (Kalesnik), Korsaki, Kukawka, Nacha,
Plytnica, Podborze, Ponierdzil, Songiniszki, Swiackewicze,
Tawsiuny, Tetiance, Wersoka and estates and hamlets: Antoniszki,
Bialopriotry, Bratomierz, Dzickance, Dzierzanieszki, Emilucin,
Galdzie, Hermany, Hubertowo, Jawor, Jurele, Korkuciany, Lubkiszki,
Marcinkszki, Marjanowka, Marjanowo, Mongieliszki, Nowokunce,
Pietuchowo, Raubiszki, Runkuny, Struciszki, Wojdagi, Wojsiaty,
Woroniszki, Zalesie, Zubiszki.

Most specific information may be gleaned at
http://members.nbci.com/newhoir/lida-site/lida-dist.htm

Ellen Sadove Renck
Lida District Researchers Coordinator

Subject: Re: Video - There once was a Town
From: "Zalman Latzkovich" <zalman@sympatico.ca>
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 20:38:15 -0500

To Carol Skydell,

As far as I know, the town of Eishyshok was in Lithuania and
not in Poland before WWII .

Zalman Latzkovich
Toronto


Re: Evidence of death for SS-5 form #general

Gary Mokotoff <mokotoff@...>
 

Jeremy Berger asks what proof of death is required to get a copy of a
person's Social Security application. Merely stating that the person is
listed in the Social Security Death Index is sufficient proof of death.
Many Internet sites that have SSDI give you the option of printing out a
form to send to the Social Security Department. I use it because it covers
all points required by the government.

Gary Mokotoff


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Evidence of death for SS-5 form #general

Gary Mokotoff <mokotoff@...>
 

Jeremy Berger asks what proof of death is required to get a copy of a
person's Social Security application. Merely stating that the person is
listed in the Social Security Death Index is sufficient proof of death.
Many Internet sites that have SSDI give you the option of printing out a
form to send to the Social Security Department. I use it because it covers
all points required by the government.

Gary Mokotoff


Re: Russian/Ucrainian words? #general

Joe Armata <armata+@...>
 

It also means brother-in-law (zyat').

Joe Armata
armata@pitt.edu

2. Mansh zet, ginerele lui Moscu Kutar in satul Manastireni.
Mansh ...,the brother-in-low of Moscu Kutar >from the village of Manastireni.
What is "zet"


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Russian/Ucrainian words? #general

Joe Armata <armata+@...>
 

It also means brother-in-law (zyat').

Joe Armata
armata@pitt.edu

2. Mansh zet, ginerele lui Moscu Kutar in satul Manastireni.
Mansh ...,the brother-in-low of Moscu Kutar >from the village of Manastireni.
What is "zet"


"pieplate" style photographs #general

Toby Brief
 

Can anyone tell me the name of the style and the span of time during which
"pieplate" photographs were produced? Also, were these type of photos done
in Eastern Europe (Ukraine or Poland)as well as in the US? The photos are
sepia toned and mounted on a convex metal plate. They are round although I
have seen one that is oblong. They are formally posed.
Thanks


Toby Brief, Campton, New Hampshire
tbrief@hotmail.com

Olyka: Horwitz, Finklestein, Mathless, Erga, Gingburg, Gorbaty
Horchiv(Gorokhov): Auerbach (Averbuch), Reicher, Rabinowitz
Rozhishche: Auerbach, Goldweber
Torcin: Bronstein, Weisberg
Volodymyr, Zaslav, Mechli: Brief, Burack


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen "pieplate" style photographs #general

Toby Brief
 

Can anyone tell me the name of the style and the span of time during which
"pieplate" photographs were produced? Also, were these type of photos done
in Eastern Europe (Ukraine or Poland)as well as in the US? The photos are
sepia toned and mounted on a convex metal plate. They are round although I
have seen one that is oblong. They are formally posed.
Thanks


Toby Brief, Campton, New Hampshire
tbrief@hotmail.com

Olyka: Horwitz, Finklestein, Mathless, Erga, Gingburg, Gorbaty
Horchiv(Gorokhov): Auerbach (Averbuch), Reicher, Rabinowitz
Rozhishche: Auerbach, Goldweber
Torcin: Bronstein, Weisberg
Volodymyr, Zaslav, Mechli: Brief, Burack