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Re: Hebrew Character Set #general

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@...>
 

< barrychernick@juno.com > wrote:
at 03:11 PM, barrychernick@juno.com said:

Does anyone know of an available Hebrew Character set.
Does your software support ISO 8859-8? UTF-8? Those would be your best
bets.

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz

I mangled my E-mail address to foil automated spammers; reply to
domain acm dot org user shmuel to contact me. Do not reply to
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Hebrew Character Set #general

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@...>
 

< barrychernick@juno.com > wrote:
at 03:11 PM, barrychernick@juno.com said:

Does anyone know of an available Hebrew Character set.
Does your software support ISO 8859-8? UTF-8? Those would be your best
bets.

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz

I mangled my E-mail address to foil automated spammers; reply to
domain acm dot org user shmuel to contact me. Do not reply to
spamtrap@library.lspace.org


Related given names (kinnuim) diveded on two brothers #general

Adam Katzeff <adam.katzeff@...>
 

Dear all,

I have a question I hope some of you can give some comments on. In my own,
as well as other families, I have been researching, I have several times
jumped over the phenomenon that two brothers bear two given names that are
related to each other, i.e. kinnuim. Here are some examples:

Brother no. 1: Brother no. 2:

Yehuda Leyb (eventually with Aryeh as his Hebrew given name)
Binyamin Volf (eventually with Zeev as his Hebrew given name)
Asher Zelig
Naftali Hirsh (eventually with Tzvi as his Hebrew given name)

I know this is fully possible, just as long as two brothers didn't have the
same Hebrew given name, but my question is: Was it a common practise? Maybe
it was even seen as a good tradition dividing related given names on two
different brothers. Perhaps there even excist some examples where three
brothers bore three related names as for example:

Brother no. 1: Brother no. 2: Brother no. 3:

Yehuda Aryeh Leyb (where Leyb was also quoted
as his "Hebrew name")

If this turns out to be a common practise, it may help when trying to find
out if two persons where really brothers.

Best regards

Adam Katzeff
Malmoe, Sweden

adam.katzeff@mail.bip.net

Researching:
BRENER: Kursenai+Papile, Lithuania
GOLDBERG: Klykoliai+Kursenai+Papile, Lithuania; Cesis, Latvia; Parnu
+Tallinn, Estonia; Sweden
KATSEV / KATZEFF / KATZOFF / KACEV: Papile, Lithuania; Cesis, Latvia;
Parnu+Tallinn, Estonia; Sweden; Denmark; Glasgow, Scotland; Boston, MA+New
York, NY+Atlanta, GA+Los Angeles, CA+San Fransisco, CA, USA
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Related given names (kinnuim) diveded on two brothers #general

Adam Katzeff <adam.katzeff@...>
 

Dear all,

I have a question I hope some of you can give some comments on. In my own,
as well as other families, I have been researching, I have several times
jumped over the phenomenon that two brothers bear two given names that are
related to each other, i.e. kinnuim. Here are some examples:

Brother no. 1: Brother no. 2:

Yehuda Leyb (eventually with Aryeh as his Hebrew given name)
Binyamin Volf (eventually with Zeev as his Hebrew given name)
Asher Zelig
Naftali Hirsh (eventually with Tzvi as his Hebrew given name)

I know this is fully possible, just as long as two brothers didn't have the
same Hebrew given name, but my question is: Was it a common practise? Maybe
it was even seen as a good tradition dividing related given names on two
different brothers. Perhaps there even excist some examples where three
brothers bore three related names as for example:

Brother no. 1: Brother no. 2: Brother no. 3:

Yehuda Aryeh Leyb (where Leyb was also quoted
as his "Hebrew name")

If this turns out to be a common practise, it may help when trying to find
out if two persons where really brothers.

Best regards

Adam Katzeff
Malmoe, Sweden

adam.katzeff@mail.bip.net

Researching:
BRENER: Kursenai+Papile, Lithuania
GOLDBERG: Klykoliai+Kursenai+Papile, Lithuania; Cesis, Latvia; Parnu
+Tallinn, Estonia; Sweden
KATSEV / KATZEFF / KATZOFF / KACEV: Papile, Lithuania; Cesis, Latvia;
Parnu+Tallinn, Estonia; Sweden; Denmark; Glasgow, Scotland; Boston, MA+New
York, NY+Atlanta, GA+Los Angeles, CA+San Fransisco, CA, USA
[ List edited to maximum 6 lines allowed ]


Re: Origin of First name:Mentain, in E Prussia #general

MBernet@...
 

Vernon Kronenberg vkronenb@pcug.org.au writes:

<< > An elderly colleague of mine has an ancestor Mentain/Mantayn endelsohn
>
> Q1. I have searched the archives and find no mention of the first name
> Mentain. Can anybody provide any information about it. pls?

Ready for some convoluted name developments? Here goes

The common kinnuy for the Hebrew name Menachem is Mendel. The reason is that
in some parts of Germany and at certain times, the diminutive was formed by
adding "chen" to the name. In other parts and times the diminutive was
formed by adding "el" (or "lein," "le").

Menachem was incorrectly seen as a diminutive >from another location/era, and
"correcterd" by substituting "el" for "chem." And thus we get Mendel. In
the ancestry of both my grandfathers, Menacherm-Mendel was given the name
Emanuel for the German authorities. In southern Germany, where the "d" and
the "t" are pronounced alike, the Mendel often became Mentel or Mantel.
Later, that "too Jewish" name, Mendel/Mentel was frequently polished up as a
"German" name into Emanuel (actually a Hebrew name and no connection with the
original Menachem) perhaps on the assumption that Mendel was really
(E)Manuel. Then it was further refined as Emil . . .

The fact that the family name appears to have been Mendelsohn ("Mendel's
son") adds credence to the likelihood that this name ran in his family

Michael Bernet, New York

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina); BERNET,
BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Origin of First name:Mentain, in E Prussia #general

MBernet@...
 

Vernon Kronenberg vkronenb@pcug.org.au writes:

<< > An elderly colleague of mine has an ancestor Mentain/Mantayn endelsohn
>
> Q1. I have searched the archives and find no mention of the first name
> Mentain. Can anybody provide any information about it. pls?

Ready for some convoluted name developments? Here goes

The common kinnuy for the Hebrew name Menachem is Mendel. The reason is that
in some parts of Germany and at certain times, the diminutive was formed by
adding "chen" to the name. In other parts and times the diminutive was
formed by adding "el" (or "lein," "le").

Menachem was incorrectly seen as a diminutive >from another location/era, and
"correcterd" by substituting "el" for "chem." And thus we get Mendel. In
the ancestry of both my grandfathers, Menacherm-Mendel was given the name
Emanuel for the German authorities. In southern Germany, where the "d" and
the "t" are pronounced alike, the Mendel often became Mentel or Mantel.
Later, that "too Jewish" name, Mendel/Mentel was frequently polished up as a
"German" name into Emanuel (actually a Hebrew name and no connection with the
original Menachem) perhaps on the assumption that Mendel was really
(E)Manuel. Then it was further refined as Emil . . .

The fact that the family name appears to have been Mendelsohn ("Mendel's
son") adds credence to the likelihood that this name ran in his family

Michael Bernet, New York

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina); BERNET,
BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


Family Disinterest / Children out of wedlock #general

Larry Blumenthal <LarrBlue@...>
 

This is my first post to this discussion group, but I've been reading the
digests for a while now. Good stuff.

I can empathize with "family disinterest". At a family reunion a few years
ago, I handed out entire Family Trees with a form for people to fill out to
give me more information. Out of more than 25 handed out, only 2 or 3
returned their forms in the mail! I promised that everyone who returned the
form would be on my "mailing list" and receive all future updates of the
tree-- but I guess that wasn't enough of an incentive. Perhaps if I had
included a stamp...

My current mailing is to "suspected" relatives whose addresses I got on the
Internet. This time I'm only sending them a single page of the Family Tree
with their name highlighted. I'm offering them the incentive of getting the
whole Family Tree if they respond with the form filled out.

I wonder if people think it's too personal or instrusive to put down their
birthdates, marriages and divorces, and stuff like that? I know it's
frustrating. Even my sisters have not given me requested information. And
when I made a recent discovery of relatives in South Africa and Australia,
one said that she "didn't know we had relatives in South Africa" when all
along it was in the tree that I had distributed at least THREE TIMES!!!
Arghh!

The question of whether to put an adopted child in the tree raised another
question/issue for me. In my immediate family, one of the children (I won't
say who) was born out of an affair between the mother and another man. It's
common knowledge among the immediate family but probably no other family
members know. How would I put this in the tree? Does it belong there? Could
I be sued for "publishing" this information when the tree gets on the
Internet? Any opinions or similar issues are welcome.

-Larry Blumenthal


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Family Disinterest / Children out of wedlock #general

Larry Blumenthal <LarrBlue@...>
 

This is my first post to this discussion group, but I've been reading the
digests for a while now. Good stuff.

I can empathize with "family disinterest". At a family reunion a few years
ago, I handed out entire Family Trees with a form for people to fill out to
give me more information. Out of more than 25 handed out, only 2 or 3
returned their forms in the mail! I promised that everyone who returned the
form would be on my "mailing list" and receive all future updates of the
tree-- but I guess that wasn't enough of an incentive. Perhaps if I had
included a stamp...

My current mailing is to "suspected" relatives whose addresses I got on the
Internet. This time I'm only sending them a single page of the Family Tree
with their name highlighted. I'm offering them the incentive of getting the
whole Family Tree if they respond with the form filled out.

I wonder if people think it's too personal or instrusive to put down their
birthdates, marriages and divorces, and stuff like that? I know it's
frustrating. Even my sisters have not given me requested information. And
when I made a recent discovery of relatives in South Africa and Australia,
one said that she "didn't know we had relatives in South Africa" when all
along it was in the tree that I had distributed at least THREE TIMES!!!
Arghh!

The question of whether to put an adopted child in the tree raised another
question/issue for me. In my immediate family, one of the children (I won't
say who) was born out of an affair between the mother and another man. It's
common knowledge among the immediate family but probably no other family
members know. How would I put this in the tree? Does it belong there? Could
I be sued for "publishing" this information when the tree gets on the
Internet? Any opinions or similar issues are welcome.

-Larry Blumenthal


Looking for Myra SALENGER #general

Lancy
 

Fellow JewishGenners,

Myra Salenger sent a message of great importance to me, to this
discussion group in August 1996. The e-mail address she gave
there is no longer valid.

If any of you people can tell me how to locate this lady, I'll be
enormously grateful.

Lancy Spalter
Kfar Tavor, Israel

Searching: PRESSER & ZIMMERMAN - Galicia, Ukraine
SPALTER & GRUNHUT - Galicia, Poland
GUTMAN - Opatow, Poland
KANAREK - Sandomierz, Poland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for Myra SALENGER #general

Lancy
 

Fellow JewishGenners,

Myra Salenger sent a message of great importance to me, to this
discussion group in August 1996. The e-mail address she gave
there is no longer valid.

If any of you people can tell me how to locate this lady, I'll be
enormously grateful.

Lancy Spalter
Kfar Tavor, Israel

Searching: PRESSER & ZIMMERMAN - Galicia, Ukraine
SPALTER & GRUNHUT - Galicia, Poland
GUTMAN - Opatow, Poland
KANAREK - Sandomierz, Poland


Ships from Bremen #general

Ilya Zeldes <ilyaz@...>
 

Dear Genners:
I'm trying to find a ship sailed >from Bremen (Bremerhaven) to New York in
December 1909 or January 1910. I looked in the German SIG, on LDS FHL and on
the Web in general, but found nothing... Any suggestions on how to find it?
What shipping companies operated >from Bremen in 1909-1910? What ships were
employed?Since I have no name of the ship, I'm prepared to search all the
ships sailed in this time period.

Ilya Zeldes
ILYAZ@ILINE.COM


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ships from Bremen #general

Ilya Zeldes <ilyaz@...>
 

Dear Genners:
I'm trying to find a ship sailed >from Bremen (Bremerhaven) to New York in
December 1909 or January 1910. I looked in the German SIG, on LDS FHL and on
the Web in general, but found nothing... Any suggestions on how to find it?
What shipping companies operated >from Bremen in 1909-1910? What ships were
employed?Since I have no name of the ship, I'm prepared to search all the
ships sailed in this time period.

Ilya Zeldes
ILYAZ@ILINE.COM


Re: Treatment of adopted children in family trees #general

Roberta Sheps <roberta_l_sheps@...>
 

Dear Ben

As the mother of an adopted son I would be greatly offended if one of my
relatives (blood or otherwise) knowingly excluded him >from their tree.
He is as much a member of the family as any biological child. I also
have an adopted brother and nephew and both of them are included, both
in my tree and the tree of a cousin. Most genealogy programs have a
facility for indicating adoption and children of different spouses.

However, I agree with Stan Goodman that it's your tree and what you
include in your tree is up to you. If what you're interested in is
bloodlines then you might not want to include adopted and step-children.
But bear in mind that we're talking about people here, not race-horses.

Roberta Sheps
Colchester, England

Benjamin Karliner wrote:

Is it acceptable practice to include a blood relative's adopted child in
one's family tree? I would appreciate any insight on this matter >from our
fellow Genners.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Treatment of adopted children in family trees #general

Roberta Sheps <roberta_l_sheps@...>
 

Dear Ben

As the mother of an adopted son I would be greatly offended if one of my
relatives (blood or otherwise) knowingly excluded him >from their tree.
He is as much a member of the family as any biological child. I also
have an adopted brother and nephew and both of them are included, both
in my tree and the tree of a cousin. Most genealogy programs have a
facility for indicating adoption and children of different spouses.

However, I agree with Stan Goodman that it's your tree and what you
include in your tree is up to you. If what you're interested in is
bloodlines then you might not want to include adopted and step-children.
But bear in mind that we're talking about people here, not race-horses.

Roberta Sheps
Colchester, England

Benjamin Karliner wrote:

Is it acceptable practice to include a blood relative's adopted child in
one's family tree? I would appreciate any insight on this matter >from our
fellow Genners.


Re: Soc Sec applications-Numidents-what can we do? #general

JGyori@...
 

It would be a shame if we stopped getting the actually copies of
applications. My husband's grandfather was one of 5 brothers that came to US
in early 1910's. I got copies of 4 of their applications.

I can clearly tell >from the copy -- and this would be only >from the copy --
that part of the information on the form was written in a different
handwriting. Actually we recognize it as my father-in-law's handwriting.
Obviously, he helped his father complete his form.

The problem is that the maiden name of their mother is different on all four
brother's forms!! We know that my father in law did not have the best of
memories (in 20 years of being married to his son, he could never remember my
middle name!!), so I can almost eliminate his variation of her name.

This discovery would not have been possible if I had received just a typed
copy of the information.

Judi Gyori Missel
Mesa, Arizona


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Soc Sec applications-Numidents-what can we do? #general

JGyori@...
 

It would be a shame if we stopped getting the actually copies of
applications. My husband's grandfather was one of 5 brothers that came to US
in early 1910's. I got copies of 4 of their applications.

I can clearly tell >from the copy -- and this would be only >from the copy --
that part of the information on the form was written in a different
handwriting. Actually we recognize it as my father-in-law's handwriting.
Obviously, he helped his father complete his form.

The problem is that the maiden name of their mother is different on all four
brother's forms!! We know that my father in law did not have the best of
memories (in 20 years of being married to his son, he could never remember my
middle name!!), so I can almost eliminate his variation of her name.

This discovery would not have been possible if I had received just a typed
copy of the information.

Judi Gyori Missel
Mesa, Arizona


Re: Occupation - 'spekulant' in Polish #general

Stan Goodman <sheol@...>
 

On Sun, 26 Nov 2000 18:59:49, basilindasamuels@compuserve.com (Basil &
Linda Samuels) wrote:

Can anyone tell me what occupation is meant by 'Spekulant' which appears in
a Polish birth certificate dated 1864 >from Zawichost. The father who was 23
at the time has this occupation.
It just means "speculator". The man was presumably devoted to buying
cheap and selling dear, and making profitable "combinations", and the
like. If he was so described at the age of 23, he must have been a
salty character with a great future.

Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, ROKITA: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better):
http://www.hashkedim.com

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Occupation - 'spekulant' in Polish #general

Stan Goodman <sheol@...>
 

On Sun, 26 Nov 2000 18:59:49, basilindasamuels@compuserve.com (Basil &
Linda Samuels) wrote:

Can anyone tell me what occupation is meant by 'Spekulant' which appears in
a Polish birth certificate dated 1864 >from Zawichost. The father who was 23
at the time has this occupation.
It just means "speculator". The man was presumably devoted to buying
cheap and selling dear, and making profitable "combinations", and the
like. If he was so described at the age of 23, he must have been a
salty character with a great future.

Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, ROKITA: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better):
http://www.hashkedim.com

PLEASE NOTE: Messages to the "From:" or "Reply to:" address of this
posting will NOT reach me, but will be deleted automatically unread.
Replace "sheol" with "stan". Please send plain text only.


Re: Where is Britschewo #general

Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@...>
 

Merav,

You are probably searching for the town which is known as Bricheva at 4807
2739 in Moldova. Town location is close to the modern Ukrainian border (near
Chernovtsy and Mogilev Podolskiy)
Tis area was known in the pas Bessarabia.

Alexander Sharon
mailto: a.sharon@home.com

<mario_m@netvision.net.il> wrote :

Shalom

While searching the Hamburg Passenger lists on-line, I encountered an
entire SCHECHTMANN family going to Buenos Aires. The Place of residence
was given as Britschewo Russia. The ShtettleSchlepper was no help as I
got too many results.

Two questions: When the form says Russia, does it mean it or can it be
also Ukraine Bellarus and so forth? We think our family came >from Ukraine,
can someone give us a _definite_ answer to the above name in the Ukraine?

Thanks

Merav Schejtman
Jerusalem israel
mailto:mario_m@netvision.net.il


The Town of Yarishev #ukraine

Jack Rothman <jrothman@...>
 

I recently learned that my mother, Anna Rothman, was born in Yarishev
(spelled in various ways) in the Ukraine. It is located in the Podolia
district, 185 miles southwest of Kiev. A nearby larger city than Yarishev
is Mogilov-Podolsky. Can anyone tell me about the people and history of the
place or where I can look up such information? I would be enormously grateful.
Jack Rothman
Los Angeles, 310-470-5003