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Re: A Response to Mrs. Bruckenheimer #general

BetteJoy <bettejoy@...>
 

Dear Mr. Heschel:

Thank you for your kind efforts on behalf of the 85% of American Jewish
genealogists who eventually trace their ancestry to Eastern Europe. Perhaps
Ms. Bruckenheimer was not aware that your research is in Yiddish names, which
were not used in the countries of her interest.

Cordially,
Betty Provizer Starkman
Bloomfield Hills, MI


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: A Response to Mrs. Bruckenheimer #general

BetteJoy <bettejoy@...>
 

Dear Mr. Heschel:

Thank you for your kind efforts on behalf of the 85% of American Jewish
genealogists who eventually trace their ancestry to Eastern Europe. Perhaps
Ms. Bruckenheimer was not aware that your research is in Yiddish names, which
were not used in the countries of her interest.

Cordially,
Betty Provizer Starkman
Bloomfield Hills, MI


Re: "Occupation 'Krovelschhik'-in Russian" #general

Stan Goodman <sheol@...>
 

On Sat, 25 Nov 2000 11:55:07, NFatouros@aol.com opined:

<< n her message of 11-24-00 Maria Krane asked what "Krovelschik" means in
Russian. I checked my big Oxford Russian-English Dictionary and I think
it means "roof maker." So I've not only learned a new Russian word but a
Russian word which is not related to the Revolution, its newspapers and
periodicals, and its various factions! >>

FWIW, therefore, equivalents in other languages might be (German)
Schindler, (English) Thatcher.

Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, ROKITA: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better):
http://www.hashkedim.com

PLEASE NOTE: Messages to the "From:" or "Reply to:" address of this
posting will NOT reach me, but will be deleted automatically unread.
Replace "sheol" with "stan". Please send plain text only.


Name Chace #general

Ilya Zeldes <ilyaz@...>
 

Dear Genneres:
I have a record for a male person >from Vitebsk, Russia, whose first name was
Chace (I think, it was pronounced as Kh-a-s-e). I presume it's an Yiddish
name. Kaganoff lists Chase, but gives no explanation. Beider is not
available locally, so I was unable to check it out. What is the Hebrew,
Russian and English equivalent of this name? What it means? Any suggestions?

Ilya Zeldes
ILYAZ@ILINE.COM


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: "Occupation 'Krovelschhik'-in Russian" #general

Stan Goodman <sheol@...>
 

On Sat, 25 Nov 2000 11:55:07, NFatouros@aol.com opined:

<< n her message of 11-24-00 Maria Krane asked what "Krovelschik" means in
Russian. I checked my big Oxford Russian-English Dictionary and I think
it means "roof maker." So I've not only learned a new Russian word but a
Russian word which is not related to the Revolution, its newspapers and
periodicals, and its various factions! >>

FWIW, therefore, equivalents in other languages might be (German)
Schindler, (English) Thatcher.

Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, ROKITA: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better):
http://www.hashkedim.com

PLEASE NOTE: Messages to the "From:" or "Reply to:" address of this
posting will NOT reach me, but will be deleted automatically unread.
Replace "sheol" with "stan". Please send plain text only.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Name Chace #general

Ilya Zeldes <ilyaz@...>
 

Dear Genneres:
I have a record for a male person >from Vitebsk, Russia, whose first name was
Chace (I think, it was pronounced as Kh-a-s-e). I presume it's an Yiddish
name. Kaganoff lists Chase, but gives no explanation. Beider is not
available locally, so I was unable to check it out. What is the Hebrew,
Russian and English equivalent of this name? What it means? Any suggestions?

Ilya Zeldes
ILYAZ@ILINE.COM


Re: Occupation "Krovelschik"--in Russian #general

Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@...>
 

Hi,

'Krovelshchik' means 'a roofer' in Russian.
Alexander Sharon
mailto: a.sharon@home.com

<MariaKrane@aol.com> wrote in message

Hi Genners,

A researcher I am working with found this on a document >from an ancestor.
Does anyone know what it is? We can't make heads or tails of it. The
document is in Russian. Thanks for any assistance.
Maria Krane
Pembroke Pines, Fl. USA
MariaKrane@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Occupation "Krovelschik"--in Russian #general

Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@...>
 

Hi,

'Krovelshchik' means 'a roofer' in Russian.
Alexander Sharon
mailto: a.sharon@home.com

<MariaKrane@aol.com> wrote in message

Hi Genners,

A researcher I am working with found this on a document >from an ancestor.
Does anyone know what it is? We can't make heads or tails of it. The
document is in Russian. Thanks for any assistance.
Maria Krane
Pembroke Pines, Fl. USA
MariaKrane@aol.com


Re: Are Others Interested In Your Hobby? was Re: Jewish bootleggers #general

Herb <herbiem@...>
 

My daughter encouraged me to start tracing my ancestors. My other 3
children are mildly interested in what I find. My sister seems
interested but not my brother. None of my other relatives of my age
seem interested but the older ones ( my deceased parents" generation)
are very helpful in answering questions and telling me new things. I
think their cooperation is boosted by the fact they again are having
contact with me after dozens of years . It also gives them an
opportunity to learn what is happening to other relatives. I have
found that the older generation is more willing to help than some of the
younger.

Herb Meyers
Boulder, Colorado


The Kendrick's wrote in message <3A1F97DD.7F0661E2@mindspring.com>...
Rochelle Nameroff wrote:

Another question: Are many of you finding that you are the only one
in
your family interested in the past, and receive a "Don't bother
me/who


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Are Others Interested In Your Hobby? was Re: Jewish bootleggers #general

Herb <herbiem@...>
 

My daughter encouraged me to start tracing my ancestors. My other 3
children are mildly interested in what I find. My sister seems
interested but not my brother. None of my other relatives of my age
seem interested but the older ones ( my deceased parents" generation)
are very helpful in answering questions and telling me new things. I
think their cooperation is boosted by the fact they again are having
contact with me after dozens of years . It also gives them an
opportunity to learn what is happening to other relatives. I have
found that the older generation is more willing to help than some of the
younger.

Herb Meyers
Boulder, Colorado


The Kendrick's wrote in message <3A1F97DD.7F0661E2@mindspring.com>...
Rochelle Nameroff wrote:

Another question: Are many of you finding that you are the only one
in
your family interested in the past, and receive a "Don't bother
me/who


Treatment of adopted children in family trees #general

Benjamin Karliner
 

Is it acceptable practice to include a blood relative's adopted child in
one's family tree? I would appreciate any insight on this matter >from our
fellow Genners.
Thank you.
Ben Karliner
Delray Beach, Florida <benkarliner@juno.com>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Treatment of adopted children in family trees #general

Benjamin Karliner
 

Is it acceptable practice to include a blood relative's adopted child in
one's family tree? I would appreciate any insight on this matter >from our
fellow Genners.
Thank you.
Ben Karliner
Delray Beach, Florida <benkarliner@juno.com>


Re: Jewish bootleggers #general

Jane Vogel-Kohai & Ofer Kohai <vogelko@...>
 

A friend's mother used to tell me a great story about how her father was a
bootlegger and used to make & sell bathtub gin. He would take along my
friend's mother who at the time was a little girl, as "camaflogue", she
would ride on the wagon with the merchandise, after all who would bother a
man out for a ride with his little girl. This was on the Lower East Side,
about 75-80 years ago.
Jane Vogel-Kohai
Jerusalem Israel

At 11:04 24/11/00 +0700, Rochelle Nameroff wrote:

Is there some good information about the presence of Jews as bootleggers
during Prohibition? Not stuff about Bugsy Siegel, or any of the famous
Jewish gangsters, but the rest of them? I know that my grandfather and his
brothers ran alcohol through Canada to Wisconsin (and then later became
legal, I guess). Most of this material is/was hush-hush in the family of
course.

Another question: Are many of you finding that you are the only one in
your family interested in the past, and receive a "Don't bother me/who
cares?" response or ones >from anger/suspicion to complete disinterest.
I've been so excited about all my discoveries, as well as thrilled to
hear of other family's searchs--thrilled to the point where I feel such
a deep Jewish identity!--that it's beginning to hurt me not to be able to
share these discoveries with the remaining living members of my family.
An irony or just another familiar story? Maybe I'm just upset about
what "family" is. Or isn't.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jewish bootleggers #general

Jane Vogel-Kohai & Ofer Kohai <vogelko@...>
 

A friend's mother used to tell me a great story about how her father was a
bootlegger and used to make & sell bathtub gin. He would take along my
friend's mother who at the time was a little girl, as "camaflogue", she
would ride on the wagon with the merchandise, after all who would bother a
man out for a ride with his little girl. This was on the Lower East Side,
about 75-80 years ago.
Jane Vogel-Kohai
Jerusalem Israel

At 11:04 24/11/00 +0700, Rochelle Nameroff wrote:

Is there some good information about the presence of Jews as bootleggers
during Prohibition? Not stuff about Bugsy Siegel, or any of the famous
Jewish gangsters, but the rest of them? I know that my grandfather and his
brothers ran alcohol through Canada to Wisconsin (and then later became
legal, I guess). Most of this material is/was hush-hush in the family of
course.

Another question: Are many of you finding that you are the only one in
your family interested in the past, and receive a "Don't bother me/who
cares?" response or ones >from anger/suspicion to complete disinterest.
I've been so excited about all my discoveries, as well as thrilled to
hear of other family's searchs--thrilled to the point where I feel such
a deep Jewish identity!--that it's beginning to hurt me not to be able to
share these discoveries with the remaining living members of my family.
An irony or just another familiar story? Maybe I'm just upset about
what "family" is. Or isn't.


help requested re Rice Lane Cemetery, in or near Liverpool #general

Robert Strumwasser <robertstrum@...>
 

Hi!
I need some help >from someone able to contact, and hopefully visit, the
Rice Lane Cemetery, which is either in, or near, Liverpool, Eng.
I'm interested in obtaining more information about someone buried there,
but I do not have an exact grave location. His name was Joseph CAPPLE/COPPLE,
and he was buried in 1917 (exact date unknown). Can anyone tell me if this
cemetery has an active office? (I checked the info provided by the old
IAJGS cemetery project and did a web search, but found nothing useful).
I would like to ask someone to take a photo of the gravestone, or at least
copy the info, but that doesn't seem possible until I have an exact grave
location.

If someone is willing to go to the cemetery and try to help, I am happy to
do some work for them in the Boston area (a cemetery look-up, or research at
the New England branch of the National Archives or at the AJHS -- such as
Boston HIAS records).

Regardless, any information on this cemetery will be appreciated.

Please respond privately.

Thanks in advance,

Robert Strumwasser
Sharon, MA, USA
RobertStrum@email.msn.com

Researching: >from Taurage, Lith: COHN, GLICKMAN, ROZ, SIEGAL, HURWITZ;
ABRAMAWITZ >from Taurage & Vainutas; any STRUMWASSER, STROMWASSER,
STRONGWATER, STONEWATER; >from Kamenets Pod., Ukr: JURIST, URIST, SAPOSNICK,
PETCHEKOVSKY, CZAP; >from Sadgura, Ukr: KARPEL, LOBL; KALTER >from Zhelibory
& Voynilov, Ukr; >from Sudilkov, Ukr: KUDISH, RUTFIELD, LERNER, KATZ; >from
Rafalowka & Manevichi, Ukr: ROSENFELD, BRATT


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen help requested re Rice Lane Cemetery, in or near Liverpool #general

Robert Strumwasser <robertstrum@...>
 

Hi!
I need some help >from someone able to contact, and hopefully visit, the
Rice Lane Cemetery, which is either in, or near, Liverpool, Eng.
I'm interested in obtaining more information about someone buried there,
but I do not have an exact grave location. His name was Joseph CAPPLE/COPPLE,
and he was buried in 1917 (exact date unknown). Can anyone tell me if this
cemetery has an active office? (I checked the info provided by the old
IAJGS cemetery project and did a web search, but found nothing useful).
I would like to ask someone to take a photo of the gravestone, or at least
copy the info, but that doesn't seem possible until I have an exact grave
location.

If someone is willing to go to the cemetery and try to help, I am happy to
do some work for them in the Boston area (a cemetery look-up, or research at
the New England branch of the National Archives or at the AJHS -- such as
Boston HIAS records).

Regardless, any information on this cemetery will be appreciated.

Please respond privately.

Thanks in advance,

Robert Strumwasser
Sharon, MA, USA
RobertStrum@email.msn.com

Researching: >from Taurage, Lith: COHN, GLICKMAN, ROZ, SIEGAL, HURWITZ;
ABRAMAWITZ >from Taurage & Vainutas; any STRUMWASSER, STROMWASSER,
STRONGWATER, STONEWATER; >from Kamenets Pod., Ukr: JURIST, URIST, SAPOSNICK,
PETCHEKOVSKY, CZAP; >from Sadgura, Ukr: KARPEL, LOBL; KALTER >from Zhelibory
& Voynilov, Ukr; >from Sudilkov, Ukr: KUDISH, RUTFIELD, LERNER, KATZ; >from
Rafalowka & Manevichi, Ukr: ROSENFELD, BRATT


Re: Please Help! #ukraine

David Donn <ddonn@...>
 

Thank you for your recent response to me request for HELP!

I know very little about my Kushner roots at this time. I have been told
that my maternal gf was born in/around Austria. His name was Morice David
Kushner
and he died and was interned in Rhode Island. I don't know that names of
his parents or siblings. I do know that there were a number of prominent
"Kushner's" in the family (ie. Doctors, Lawyers etc.)

He served a executive officer for an east coast company (possibly regional
president for the Mills Novelty Co. abt. 1930's till his death abt. 1945).
I have no other information re. city of birth or place/date of emigration.
He was married to Gladys (maiden name unknown) born somewhere in or about
Siberia.

So this is what I do know about my Donn/Buchman family to date.

My father is Albert Irwin Donn born 12/15/1930. His father was Meyer Israel
Donn born March 10, 1898 in Kovno died July 13, 1973 in E. Hartford
Connecticut. He emigrated to the US via New York abt. 1905. Meyer married
Celia Buchman born April 10. 1905 in Gomel, Belarus. She emigrated to the
US via New York abt 1905 in the company of her father Aaron Buchman born
November 2, 1883 in Siberia (city unknown) Died September 1971 in W.
Hartford Connecticut. His wife was Anna (maiden name unkown) she died abt.
1925 in the United States.

Thank you for your offer of help.


David Donn
Researching:
Donn (>from Ukraine and Lithuania) Buchman (Belarus), Kushner (from
Austria, Siberia, Ukraine)


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Please Help! #ukraine

David Donn <ddonn@...>
 

Thank you for your recent response to me request for HELP!

I know very little about my Kushner roots at this time. I have been told
that my maternal gf was born in/around Austria. His name was Morice David
Kushner
and he died and was interned in Rhode Island. I don't know that names of
his parents or siblings. I do know that there were a number of prominent
"Kushner's" in the family (ie. Doctors, Lawyers etc.)

He served a executive officer for an east coast company (possibly regional
president for the Mills Novelty Co. abt. 1930's till his death abt. 1945).
I have no other information re. city of birth or place/date of emigration.
He was married to Gladys (maiden name unknown) born somewhere in or about
Siberia.

So this is what I do know about my Donn/Buchman family to date.

My father is Albert Irwin Donn born 12/15/1930. His father was Meyer Israel
Donn born March 10, 1898 in Kovno died July 13, 1973 in E. Hartford
Connecticut. He emigrated to the US via New York abt. 1905. Meyer married
Celia Buchman born April 10. 1905 in Gomel, Belarus. She emigrated to the
US via New York abt 1905 in the company of her father Aaron Buchman born
November 2, 1883 in Siberia (city unknown) Died September 1971 in W.
Hartford Connecticut. His wife was Anna (maiden name unkown) she died abt.
1925 in the United States.

Thank you for your offer of help.


David Donn
Researching:
Donn (>from Ukraine and Lithuania) Buchman (Belarus), Kushner (from
Austria, Siberia, Ukraine)


Re: Reaching out to family #ukraine

ABoumel@...
 

To Mark Saul (and others)... the personal side of genealogy is the side that
makes it so very special. Life is too short... and I think it is always
worth taking the risk because you never know what wonderful things might
happen. But I can assure you that if you don't take the risk, NOTHING will
happen.

My having found my grandfather's ENTIRE family... and having reunited with
them after almost a century... is without a doubt the most profound,
meaningful thing that has ever happened to me in my life. (You can read the
story at the UkraineSIG site, under "Stories... Kirovograd.") I do not
regret for a moment having done it, and even had it turned out differently, I
would NOT have regretted it. I decided that it is important to ask for what
you want and need, and if the other person feels their privacy is being
invaded, they always have the right to say "no." But you might be surprised
at how eager others are to make connections.

During my search, I badgered my family for every shred of information I could
get to assist me in my search. I searched through family files, called my
aunt a million times asking question after question. Though nobody thought
that anything would come of it, NOBODY withheld information >from me. I wrote
to total strangers who shared my last name all over the U.S. and the world.
MANY, though they turned out NOT to be relatives... wrote back long letters
and told me their own family stories. I received enough of these letters
that someday I could write a book about it. I boldly wrote to total
strangers in Urkaine and Russia and asked for help in my search. Many
responded very positively... and the young stranger in Ukraine who eventually
helped me find my family is somebody who has now become a "friend" with whom
I correspond regularly. And when I actually finally found my cousins...
scattered in various countries across the world... I found them as ecstatic
to have found us as we were to have found them. I asked a million
questions... wrote letter after letter... made phone call after phone call...
and I found each and every one of them eager to share family stories,
photographs, memories. I met many of them at family reunions in Jerusalem,
and then in New Jersey... and they all came loaded with photo albums,
stories, information for me to add to the family tree, and warm embraces.

The best advice I can give to you and to anybody doing a search is to be
persistent, to NOT be afraid about how others might perceive you, and to GO
FOR IT! You have nothing to lose, and everything to gain. You never know
what miracles might await you.

Arlene Gorewitz Boumel
Coral Springs, FL

In a message dated 11/25/00 1:14:07 AM Eastern Standard Time,
ukraine@lyris.jewishgen.org writes:

Subject: reaching out to family
From: Mark Saul <MSaul@compuserve.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 21:42:31 -0500
X-Message-Number: 2

I need advice about the personal side of genealogy.

I have lists of names, and even addresses, of distant
relatives in America whom I would like to contact. My
grandparents knew their grandparents, my parents
corresponded with their parents, but time has passed
and I don't know them or their adult children.

I would like to make contact, ask about extant documents,
old memories, or traditions. But I don't want to be seen
as invading their privacy.

Will a discreet note, mentioning my purposes and also the
above issues, do the trick? If I get no response, should
I cross the name of my list?

I think I need advice >from folks who have been in this

situation.

Mark Saul
New York, NY


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: Reaching out to family #ukraine

ABoumel@...
 

To Mark Saul (and others)... the personal side of genealogy is the side that
makes it so very special. Life is too short... and I think it is always
worth taking the risk because you never know what wonderful things might
happen. But I can assure you that if you don't take the risk, NOTHING will
happen.

My having found my grandfather's ENTIRE family... and having reunited with
them after almost a century... is without a doubt the most profound,
meaningful thing that has ever happened to me in my life. (You can read the
story at the UkraineSIG site, under "Stories... Kirovograd.") I do not
regret for a moment having done it, and even had it turned out differently, I
would NOT have regretted it. I decided that it is important to ask for what
you want and need, and if the other person feels their privacy is being
invaded, they always have the right to say "no." But you might be surprised
at how eager others are to make connections.

During my search, I badgered my family for every shred of information I could
get to assist me in my search. I searched through family files, called my
aunt a million times asking question after question. Though nobody thought
that anything would come of it, NOBODY withheld information >from me. I wrote
to total strangers who shared my last name all over the U.S. and the world.
MANY, though they turned out NOT to be relatives... wrote back long letters
and told me their own family stories. I received enough of these letters
that someday I could write a book about it. I boldly wrote to total
strangers in Urkaine and Russia and asked for help in my search. Many
responded very positively... and the young stranger in Ukraine who eventually
helped me find my family is somebody who has now become a "friend" with whom
I correspond regularly. And when I actually finally found my cousins...
scattered in various countries across the world... I found them as ecstatic
to have found us as we were to have found them. I asked a million
questions... wrote letter after letter... made phone call after phone call...
and I found each and every one of them eager to share family stories,
photographs, memories. I met many of them at family reunions in Jerusalem,
and then in New Jersey... and they all came loaded with photo albums,
stories, information for me to add to the family tree, and warm embraces.

The best advice I can give to you and to anybody doing a search is to be
persistent, to NOT be afraid about how others might perceive you, and to GO
FOR IT! You have nothing to lose, and everything to gain. You never know
what miracles might await you.

Arlene Gorewitz Boumel
Coral Springs, FL

In a message dated 11/25/00 1:14:07 AM Eastern Standard Time,
ukraine@lyris.jewishgen.org writes:

Subject: reaching out to family
From: Mark Saul <MSaul@compuserve.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 21:42:31 -0500
X-Message-Number: 2

I need advice about the personal side of genealogy.

I have lists of names, and even addresses, of distant
relatives in America whom I would like to contact. My
grandparents knew their grandparents, my parents
corresponded with their parents, but time has passed
and I don't know them or their adult children.

I would like to make contact, ask about extant documents,
old memories, or traditions. But I don't want to be seen
as invading their privacy.

Will a discreet note, mentioning my purposes and also the
above issues, do the trick? If I get no response, should
I cross the name of my list?

I think I need advice >from folks who have been in this

situation.

Mark Saul
New York, NY