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Re: Question about New York City Marriage Records #records

A. E. Jordan
 




-----Original Message-----
From: rich.meyersburg@...

In addition to the excellent explanations about the difference between a marriage certificate and a marriage license, there is one other major difference between a marriage license and a marriage certificate.   A marriage certificate means that the couple were actually married.  A marriage license does not.  So, it is possible that a marriage license was issued but the marriage never took place.

Rich Meyersburg
Laurel, MD
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No this is incorrect. There are very few differences between the normal NYC marriage license and the marriage certiifcate. They asked the same set of questions. At times the clerk asked for more specifics for a date of birth versus just an age or year and also a city not just a country. But mostly the big difference is if the bride was very young because the license would require parential consent and if they admitted to having been married before the clerk asked for more details versus the mariage certificate.

The marrage license second or third page is for the person performing the marriage to fill in when they performed the ceremony. The same set of details about the ceremony are filled in on that page as it is on the marriage certificate.

It is possible that the licenses was taken out and not a ceremony but the license copy will show the details of the ceremony if the license was returned to the clerk.  Rarely you find licenses that are not on file with the clerk and then it is possibe the ceremony did not take place.

The license was also "portable" to use a 21st century term .... meaning you could get a NYC license and the ceremony could have been performed any where in the state. So the license form would tell you that too.

The best difference between the license is that the file goes past the end of the file for the certificates in NYC and licenses over 50 years of age are public record. When both exist comparing the two can sometimes also help with issues of marks that are blocking reading details or to try and dechiper hard to read handwriting.

Allan Jordan




Re: Yiddish Names-Kadshevitz Family From Anyksciai, Lithuania #names

crystalbrown3431@...
 

Michele

Typically I see the Anyksciai rabbi's name spelled as Kalman Yitzhak Kadishevitz and  I believe he was the only Anikst rabbi of that name.   I suspect that Kalman and Kalonymus are one and the same.

Richard Brown
Glastonbury, CT


Re: Rebbetzin Rivka bat R' Nachman Tzvi EPSTEIN ABD of Kolomyya #rabbinic

Aaron Slotnik
 

Well, clicked the wrong button . . .

I'm trying to find out more information about Rivka who was a daughter
of Rabbi Nachman Tzvi EPSTEIN (1740 - 1829), ABD Kolomyya. According to
Meorei Galicia, her first marriage was to R' Menachem Mendel ROSEN.
After he died in Iasi on their way to Eretz Yisrael, she continued on
and married a prominent Sephardic Rabbi.

Who was the Sephardic Rabbi? When did she die and how old was she? For
some reason, I think she is buried is Safed but I can't find the source
so I could be mistaken.

Regards,
Aaron Slotnik
Chicago, IL


Re: Question about New York City Marriage Records #records

rich.meyersburg@...
 

In addition to the excellent explanations about the difference between a marriage certificate and a marriage license, there is one other major difference between a marriage license and a marriage certificate.   A marriage certificate means that the couple were actually married.  A marriage license does not.  So, it is possible that a marriage license was issued but the marriage never took place.

Rich Meyersburg
Laurel, MD


great synagogue of london hebrew translation #unitedkingdom #translation

arnold friedman
 

hi,  appreciate if someone would translate the hebrew in the next to last row of the attachment, which is the wedding information for morris jacobs and marianna green.    i also attached the uk government marriage record for morris and marianna for reference.  i have found sometimes the fathers name varies in these two records.
 
i am interested in the whole record translation, but have hit a brick wall with Morris Jacobs who was born in poland.  I am hoping the hebrew translation helps with clues on fathers names or witnesses.
 
Morris Jacobs changed his name to Maurice Jackson in Canada.  I do not think he was every naturalized in England or Canada, and am open for suggestions of where i might find his city of birth.  From all the census and passenger documents i have found he lists Poland or Poland/Russia.   I don't know his name in Poland, assuming something like Moshe Jacobs??
 
anyway, thanks for help with hebrew translation.
 
best,
arnold friedman
MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately

MORRIS JACOBS    married in London 1877, born in Poland.
MARIANNA GREEN  born in London
 
 
 
 


Re: Using My Heritage #general

mvayser@...
 

It's possible that the they are adding these records because MyHeritage suggests a relationship and offers to add matches, including a profile photo and the rest of their information.  I've had that happen with my own tree in Geni. MyHeritage found a match there and offered to add it to the tree in MyHeritage from the Geni tree.  it obviously doesn't know (or care) that I created the Geni entries.  It saved me time not having to add them manually to 2 sites.

Mike Vayser


Re: My Heritage Announces Collection of Lithuanian -Jewish Records #lithuania #records #announcements

Michael Herzlich
 

How is (Is?) the My Heritage Lithuanian Jewish records collection different than the one on Jewishgen?
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Michael Herzlich
Delray Beach, Florida USA

Belarus - EPSTEIN, HELFAND, POLLACK
Galicia (Poland, Ukraine) - HERZLICH, TREIBER


Jewish Genealogical Society New York March 21 Meeting: Fragments that Remain: The Search for My Mother's Lost Family #announcements #jgs-iajgs

Phyllis Rosner
 

Jewish Genealogical Society NY Meeting
Sunday March 21, 2020 at 2 p.m. EDT
Zoom Webinar

Fragments that Remain: The Search for My Mother's Lost Family

Speaker: Jennie Milne

In this presentation, Jennie Milne will describe her extraordinary journey to understand her mother’s mysterious background, as well as her Jewish and Polish ancestry. Raised in a wartime babies' home in Devon, England, Jennie's mother, Elizabeth Lis, found and briefly met with her parents, individually, in the mid-1960s, but subsequently lost contact and was unable to find them later in life.

In March 2014 Jennie began searching in earnest for her grandparents.  With the assistance of expert genealogists at JewishGen, JRI-Poland and Tracing the Tribe, as well as through DNA analysis, Jennie was able to break the silence of years. In this talk Jennie will take us through the extensive research that led to her understanding, as well as to her discovery of previously unknown cousins.

Jennie Workman Milne was born in Greenwich, London, and currently lives in North East Scotland. A freelance professional photographer, Jennie holds a Master's degree in Communication Design (Photography) from Robert Gordon University in Aberdeen. She presented her family story at the 2018 IAJGS conference in Warsaw. In February of 2020 Robert Gordon University mounted an exhibition of Jennie's research project documenting Jewish survivors of terrorism in Israel, along with her photographs documenting the search for her family.    

All are welcome; attendance is free, but registration is required:

Click here to register at our website

Submitted by:
Phyllis Rosner jgsny.org
JGSNY VP Communications
New York, NY


Recommendation for lawyers in Europe #germany

cath <cathkumar@...>
 

My sister and I are applying for the restoration of our right to German nationality because our grandfather was a German Jew who lost his nationality while the Nazi government was in power. We have a lot of documentation and also a lot of questions.
We don't have much money, can anyone point us in the direction of an inexpensive but effective lawyer?
Thanks in advance for your advice 
Catherine Kumar

#lawyers #legaladvice #citizenshiprestoration


Re: Using My Heritage #general

rv Kaplan
 

I also have a situation where a researcher who is related to a distant relation of mine through marriage is progressively hoovering up my family trees and importing a copy into his own tree, along with many of my photos.  He says that's what My Heritage is for.  I now know to nail down my photos so that they can't be taken.
The result of this and similar situations, where researchers expand their interests to cousins of cousins of cousins down to the present day, and import the information to their trees, is that when someone searches eg for my great grandfather in My Heritage, they find 20 trees where he is included, along with his photo.  In most of these trees, he has no blood or marriage connection with the rest of that tree.  I have wasted time contacting people thinking they are connected to me because they have my great grandfather in their tree, only to find they copied the information from me in the first place!
Of course, it doesn't help that My Heritage constantly sends me batches of 'new relatives' who are the extended family of people who married into my family and about whom I have no interest whatsoever.  Or they find my grandmother on someone else's tree because that person lifted her from my tree and then present her to me as a 'new relative.'
But can't do anything about all this. My Heritage don't want to hear any of this.  I suppose it's the price we pay for the benefits we all potentially receive from these online trees and websites.
Harvey Kaplan
Glasgow, Scotland

KAPLAN, FAYN, FEIN, FINE, BARSD, GRADMAN - Ariogala, Josvainiai, Kedainiai, Krakes, Seta, Veliuona, Grinkiskis, Lithuania

FELMAN, MIL(L)ER, ROSENBLOOM - Kamenets-Podolsk, Shatava, Balyn, Ukraine

TROPP, STORCH - Kolbuszowa, Cmolas,Galicia

LINDERMAN, LINDEMAN, LOPATKA, SZLAKMAN – Kutno and  Plock, Poland

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KAREN SAUNDERS saunderskcl@... via groups.jewishgen.org 

21:49 (2 hours ago)
I am wondering if anyone has experienced the following and if so what action was taken.
 
I have my family tree on My Heritage. Every time I make an update regardless how remote the ancestor, I have another user copying it into her tree.
 
I have contacted her asking how we might be related with a response that she will get back to me. My Heritage were of no assistance.
 
At the risk of being advised that I am being paranoid, it makes me nervous that my family is being “stalked”.
 
I would appreciate feedback.
 
Karen Saunders


Yiddish Translation #yiddish #translation

ms nodrog
 

Please help with Yiddish translation of postcard to best of your ability. 
It is posted on Viewmate at the following site:
Respond to this site or to my email msnodrog@...
Thanks for all your help.
Hannah Gordon


Re: Finding info on great grandparents Bayarsky in Belarus (Grodno? Minsk?) #belarus

Jrbaston
 

We are asked about the BAYARSKY family from Lida. There are many resources for Jewish research in Lida and nearby towns.

The JewishGen Belarus Database (which includes vital records for Lida town) and the LitvakSIG All Lithuania Database at www.litvaksig.org which includes census-type records.

The LitvakSIG Lida District Research Group has a password-protected site with dozens of files of translated records for Lida and nearby towns...with many BOYARSKY listings! (You can write me privately for more info).

The Kehillalink page for Lida at https://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/lida-district/lida.htm

The Facebook Group for Jewish Lida District in Vilna Gubernia.

Best,

Judy Baston, Coordinator,
Lida District Research Groups for
LitvakSIG and JewishGen Belarus Research Division


Re: My Heritage Announces Collection of Lithuanian -Jewish Records #lithuania #records #announcements

Jrbaston
 

Just a reminder that you can search for your Litvak family on the LitvakSIG All Lithuania Database
at www.litvaksig.org

Judy Baston


Translation Request Russian #translation

J. Grossman
 

Please translate the census/revision document.  Your help is greatly appreciated!

 

ViewMate - Image 91223 - Translation - Russian - Ukraine - Novomirgorod - Lebedinsky - 1874 (jewishgen.org)

 

Thank you,

Joanne Grossman

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Question about New York City Marriage Records #records

murphy8@...
 

David;
You use the number that you had in the record to order.  I just received my parents information and there were 4 different items:  1. Marriage License 2.Affadavit for License to Marry, 3. Marriage Certificate and 4. Certificate of Consent.  This was quite a pleasant surprise! 

Robin August  
Researching:  Ogus > August, Kiev, Konotop, Vilna,  Kanower > Cohen, Matus, Pereaslav, Konotop, Rottenberg, Weinberger, Friedman, Sobel, Schreiber, Hungary/Slovakia


ViewMate translation request - Russian #translation

Avi Bitron
 

 
 
I've posted a vital record in Russian for which I would appreciate a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address :
 
 
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.
 
 
Avi Chari


ViewMate translation request - German #translation

Debbie Bloch
 

I have posted a 1917 registration form from when my Hungarian great-grandparents Martin and Rosa Beckman moved to Vienna. I was wondering if someone could please help read what is written next to line 3 - Charakter - I just can't make it out. The names and ages I can read. I would also be very interested if anyone has any additional information about this type of registration form.
 
The document is on ViewMate at the following address ...
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM91547

Thank you very much,
Debbie Bloch (Beckman)
Melbourne, Australia

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Debbie Bloch (Beckman)
Melbourne, Australia


Re: Rebbetzin Rivka bat R' Nachman Tzvi EPSTEIN ABD of Kolomyya #rabbinic

Sally Bruckheimer
 

"I wanted to repost this on the new discussion group and in case there are now members who may have additional information . . . please see the below questions.  If indeed this Rebbetzin Rivka was buried in Safed, I think she died before around 1845.  Are there any sources for old Safed burials, either online or in print?"

What new discussion group? This isn't new?

There are no questions below, what are you talking about?

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ


Santa Cruz JGS Program: Research Jewish Genealogical Resources on the Internet #events #jgs-iajgs #announcements

Leah Kushner
 

 Santa Cruz Jewish Genealogy Society

Research Jewish Genealogical Resources on the Internet
March 14th- 1pm Pacific Standard Time
Presented by Daniel Horowitz, Genealogy Expert at MyHeritage 

RSVP:  https://forms.gle/wFGafgZoho7wRoHL7

Learn about the main repositories for Jewish Genealogy available on the internet. This program will illustrate how to search efficiently in different Jewish (JewishGen, GesherGalicia, JRI-Poland and Jewish Genealogy Societies like IGRA and IGS) and not-Jewish (FamilySearch, Ancestry, MyHeritage) databases, to find the information you are looking for; even if you don't know it existed. Daniel will also help you overcome the barrier of the language with a basic lesson of Hebrew, focusing on the tombstones terminology and how to translate efficiently to English; as many of the Jewish repositories available are only in Hebrew. 

For more information including membership:  SCJGSociety@...

Leah Kushner
President, Santa Cruz Jewish Genealogy Society

Santa Cruz Jewish Genealogical Society  is a non-profit organization dedicated to helping members collect, preserve, and perpetuate the records and history of their ancestors. 


Re: Yiddish Names-Kadshevitz Family From Anyksciai, Lithuania #names

Michele Lock
 

I have a question about the rabbi referenced above - Is Rabbi Kalonymus Kadishevitz the same person as Rabbi Kalman Kadishevitz, or are these two different persons?
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Michele Lock

Lock/Lak/Lok and Kalon in Zagare/Joniskis/Gruzdziai, Lithuania
Trisinsky/Trushinsky/Sturisky and Leybman in Dotnuva, Lithuania
Olitsky in Alytus, Suwalki, Poland/Lithuania
Gutman/Goodman in Czestochowa, Poland
Lavine/Lewin/Levin in Trenton, New Jersey and Lida/Vilna gub., Belarus

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