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Ukraine SIG - posting and reading #ukraine

SelmaN@...
 

Hello Everybody, May I suggest that in order for everyone on the new Ukraine
SIG to read and reply to posted messages we should all PLEASE do the
following:
1. CAPITALIZE the names you are researching.
2. Sign your message with your name, where you are (city/state/country) and
your email address.
3. Tell us where your ancestors lived in Ukraine -- and if possible include
the
co-ordinates (latitude and longitude).
4. Tell us where they went when they left Ukraine, i.e., somewhere else in
Europe, if USA - the city and state, another country.
Sorry to be such a "nudge", but with all the messages that are arriving, it's
hard to do more than just skim through them.
Thank you!
Selma Neubauer
Philadelphia, PA USA
SelmaN@...


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Ukraine SIG - posting and reading #ukraine

SelmaN@...
 

Hello Everybody, May I suggest that in order for everyone on the new Ukraine
SIG to read and reply to posted messages we should all PLEASE do the
following:
1. CAPITALIZE the names you are researching.
2. Sign your message with your name, where you are (city/state/country) and
your email address.
3. Tell us where your ancestors lived in Ukraine -- and if possible include
the
co-ordinates (latitude and longitude).
4. Tell us where they went when they left Ukraine, i.e., somewhere else in
Europe, if USA - the city and state, another country.
Sorry to be such a "nudge", but with all the messages that are arriving, it's
hard to do more than just skim through them.
Thank you!
Selma Neubauer
Philadelphia, PA USA
SelmaN@...


Re: Being a Cohan is more than a biological status #dna

Bcg <bcg@...>
 

Hi Jonina

I'm sorry if we have given any impression that having the descent of Aaron
gene confers ANY Jewish religious privilege. In fact there is not a
synagogue (or Rabbi) in the world that deviates >from the requirement that
to be a Cohanim you must have been born to a father who was a Cohanim in
his own right.

Fortunately halachic ruling on this seems very clear.

I have looked at our web site and the reference we make to the Cohanim is:

"We also offer the worlds' only "Cohanim" test, which will identify those
people
who share this set of markers with the family of the Biblical character
Aaron".

Let us not forget that a person who has the Cohanim Modal Haplotype and has
no knowledge of his Cohanim past may not have been >from a Cohanim family,
but related to Aaron as a descendent of a cousin of Aaron, or even >from
Aaron's brother, Moses.

If there is any reference in the web site that seems to indicate that if
you have the CMH that you are a Cohan religiously, please allow me to
correct that, post haste, by emailing me directly as bcg@...

Bennett Greenspan FTDNA Houston

At 11:26 AM 09/17/2000, Jonina Duker wrote:
Just a comment on wording ... if men's testing show the Cohanim
haplotype that does NOT mean that those men are in fact Cohanim. There
are several halachic reasons why Cohanim would have been disqualified,
and their descendants too, >from being proper Cohanim. If men no longer
have this tradition of being Cohanim yet the DNA suggests it, you do not
want to set up situations when men who are not completely aware of the
context go to schuls "demanding" their newly discovered role as Cohanim.
Of course, since it's biology it's still enormously useful for genealogy.
(And it's important to know that such disqualified Cohanim and their
descendants were not to have been indicated as Cohanim on gravestones
either.) L'Shalom. Jonina Duker


DNA Research #DNA Re: Being a Cohan is more than a biological status #dna

Bcg <bcg@...>
 

Hi Jonina

I'm sorry if we have given any impression that having the descent of Aaron
gene confers ANY Jewish religious privilege. In fact there is not a
synagogue (or Rabbi) in the world that deviates >from the requirement that
to be a Cohanim you must have been born to a father who was a Cohanim in
his own right.

Fortunately halachic ruling on this seems very clear.

I have looked at our web site and the reference we make to the Cohanim is:

"We also offer the worlds' only "Cohanim" test, which will identify those
people
who share this set of markers with the family of the Biblical character
Aaron".

Let us not forget that a person who has the Cohanim Modal Haplotype and has
no knowledge of his Cohanim past may not have been >from a Cohanim family,
but related to Aaron as a descendent of a cousin of Aaron, or even >from
Aaron's brother, Moses.

If there is any reference in the web site that seems to indicate that if
you have the CMH that you are a Cohan religiously, please allow me to
correct that, post haste, by emailing me directly as bcg@...

Bennett Greenspan FTDNA Houston

At 11:26 AM 09/17/2000, Jonina Duker wrote:
Just a comment on wording ... if men's testing show the Cohanim
haplotype that does NOT mean that those men are in fact Cohanim. There
are several halachic reasons why Cohanim would have been disqualified,
and their descendants too, >from being proper Cohanim. If men no longer
have this tradition of being Cohanim yet the DNA suggests it, you do not
want to set up situations when men who are not completely aware of the
context go to schuls "demanding" their newly discovered role as Cohanim.
Of course, since it's biology it's still enormously useful for genealogy.
(And it's important to know that such disqualified Cohanim and their
descendants were not to have been indicated as Cohanim on gravestones
either.) L'Shalom. Jonina Duker


Re: The Jewish underground #ukraine

Howard Bensen <aj680@...>
 

Family lore says that my g'father left his family in Ukraine ror the USA, sending
for his family at a later date. Although I have not yet found out how he got
here, an uncle's naturalization papers led me to the passenger list of the
steamship that brought my grandmother and children here.

A 26-year-old woman with four children, ages two to nine, she boarded the ship in
Rotterdam. It is inconceivable that, alone, she picked up the children and
herself to make the trek to Rotterdam.

Hence this subject is of great interest, probably to many others also. Anyonewho
can enlarge upon the subject would be making a valuable contribution

(Howard Bensen)
MODERATOR NOTE: Name added by moderator. Unsigned letters will unfortunately have to be rejected.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: The Jewish underground #ukraine

Howard Bensen <aj680@...>
 

Family lore says that my g'father left his family in Ukraine ror the USA, sending
for his family at a later date. Although I have not yet found out how he got
here, an uncle's naturalization papers led me to the passenger list of the
steamship that brought my grandmother and children here.

A 26-year-old woman with four children, ages two to nine, she boarded the ship in
Rotterdam. It is inconceivable that, alone, she picked up the children and
herself to make the trek to Rotterdam.

Hence this subject is of great interest, probably to many others also. Anyonewho
can enlarge upon the subject would be making a valuable contribution

(Howard Bensen)
MODERATOR NOTE: Name added by moderator. Unsigned letters will unfortunately have to be rejected.


Name Changes #ukraine

JHWILNER1@...
 

I must agree with David Goldman regarding name changes. When my paternal
great-great-grandparents, Julius Biczik & Leah Weiner left Berezno in the
Ukraine with their 7 children headed for NY, they too encountered a name
change upon arrival at Ellis Island. Since the family name Biczik (spelling
variations) was not clear. Ellis Island opted for the name Weiner. Other
family members have told me that Biczik might of be interpreted as a dirty
word, or because of draft dodging the name wasn't clear. Years later my
paternal grandfather changed the name >from Weiner to Wilner.


Regards,
Jeffrey H. Wilner
E-mail: Jhwilner1@...

Researching: Biczik; Weiner; Kirsch; Yankowitz (Jankow); Rosenfeld; Krinick;
Borman; Schmilowitz (Samuels)


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Name Changes #ukraine

JHWILNER1@...
 

I must agree with David Goldman regarding name changes. When my paternal
great-great-grandparents, Julius Biczik & Leah Weiner left Berezno in the
Ukraine with their 7 children headed for NY, they too encountered a name
change upon arrival at Ellis Island. Since the family name Biczik (spelling
variations) was not clear. Ellis Island opted for the name Weiner. Other
family members have told me that Biczik might of be interpreted as a dirty
word, or because of draft dodging the name wasn't clear. Years later my
paternal grandfather changed the name >from Weiner to Wilner.


Regards,
Jeffrey H. Wilner
E-mail: Jhwilner1@...

Researching: Biczik; Weiner; Kirsch; Yankowitz (Jankow); Rosenfeld; Krinick;
Borman; Schmilowitz (Samuels)


FRENKEL ?? #ukraine

M Frenkel <mfrenkel@...>
 

My grandfather, Moisei Eliezer FRENKEL, was born in Ekaterinoslav in 1880,
the fourth of six siblings. Eventually, he migrated to Berdichev, married,
fathered two sons and was widowed. He then married my grandmother, Pessya
Silverstein, and fathered two more sons. The elder of these two, Avrum Aaron
(Harry), was born in the home of Pessya's parents in Ruzhin while the
remaining three were all born in Berdichev.

Moisei operated sawmills in Pyetagorka and Szumsk where he manufactured
parquet flooring and roofing shingles. While working in Szumsk in 1916, he
suffered an appendicitis attack and died of peritonitis; he was buried in
the closest Jewish cemetery which was in Zhitomir.

Please contact me if anything rings bells! Thanks!

MARSHALL S. FRENKEL
"Our Family's Genealogist"
mfrenkel@...


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine FRENKEL ?? #ukraine

M Frenkel <mfrenkel@...>
 

My grandfather, Moisei Eliezer FRENKEL, was born in Ekaterinoslav in 1880,
the fourth of six siblings. Eventually, he migrated to Berdichev, married,
fathered two sons and was widowed. He then married my grandmother, Pessya
Silverstein, and fathered two more sons. The elder of these two, Avrum Aaron
(Harry), was born in the home of Pessya's parents in Ruzhin while the
remaining three were all born in Berdichev.

Moisei operated sawmills in Pyetagorka and Szumsk where he manufactured
parquet flooring and roofing shingles. While working in Szumsk in 1916, he
suffered an appendicitis attack and died of peritonitis; he was buried in
the closest Jewish cemetery which was in Zhitomir.

Please contact me if anything rings bells! Thanks!

MARSHALL S. FRENKEL
"Our Family's Genealogist"
mfrenkel@...


Re: port of Philadelphia #ukraine

sangreenb@...
 

Hi Everyone: My grandfather's passenger arrival showed he came >from Botosani,
Romania to Quebec, Canada on the ship the SS Liverpool, and that he was going
to a cousin M. Mormain on 2nd St. in Phila. Does anyone know of this family?
He then entered the U.S. through New London, Ct.
I guess that Liverpool was the horter route.
I also know that the Fusgeyers took the Liverpool to Quebec route and then
some of them stayed on it Canada and others took trains to NY, or Phila. I
always wonder if he was a fusgeyer or not.

Am glad to be a part of the Ukraine SIG. Best wishes to all,
Sandra Greenberg
Denver, CO
sangreenb@...


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: port of Philadelphia #ukraine

sangreenb@...
 

Hi Everyone: My grandfather's passenger arrival showed he came >from Botosani,
Romania to Quebec, Canada on the ship the SS Liverpool, and that he was going
to a cousin M. Mormain on 2nd St. in Phila. Does anyone know of this family?
He then entered the U.S. through New London, Ct.
I guess that Liverpool was the horter route.
I also know that the Fusgeyers took the Liverpool to Quebec route and then
some of them stayed on it Canada and others took trains to NY, or Phila. I
always wonder if he was a fusgeyer or not.

Am glad to be a part of the Ukraine SIG. Best wishes to all,
Sandra Greenberg
Denver, CO
sangreenb@...


Schancz, Schantz, Greenstein, Grunstein, Isser #ukraine

Dennis Baer <dbaer@...>
 

Hello

I would like to introduce my ancestors to the readership. The Schancz
(Schantz) family came >from Dobromil, Galicia, Austria (now Dobromil,
Ukraine) and some members moved to Munkacs, Hungary (now Mukachevo,
Ukraine). My great grandfather Samuel Schantz worked as a train
stationmaster in Munkacs, Hungary >from 1885-1903.

I would like to see facilitation of the availability of records for the
cities of Munkacs, Hungary (now Mukachevo, Ukraine) and also of Dobromil,
Galicia, Austria (Dobromil, Ukraine). Records of Munkacs reside either in
Berehove or in Uzhgorod, and Dobromil records reside in L'viv. Some
Dobromil records also reside in Przemysl but that involves another SIG.

To see the history of my family including an 80 year old picture of my
great grandparents browse

http://www.hoflink.com/~dbaer/schantz.htm

Searching

Schancz, Gold in Dobromil
Schancz, Schantz, Greenstein, Grunstein in Munkacs (Mukachevo)

Dennis Baer


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Schancz, Schantz, Greenstein, Grunstein, Isser #ukraine

Dennis Baer <dbaer@...>
 

Hello

I would like to introduce my ancestors to the readership. The Schancz
(Schantz) family came >from Dobromil, Galicia, Austria (now Dobromil,
Ukraine) and some members moved to Munkacs, Hungary (now Mukachevo,
Ukraine). My great grandfather Samuel Schantz worked as a train
stationmaster in Munkacs, Hungary >from 1885-1903.

I would like to see facilitation of the availability of records for the
cities of Munkacs, Hungary (now Mukachevo, Ukraine) and also of Dobromil,
Galicia, Austria (Dobromil, Ukraine). Records of Munkacs reside either in
Berehove or in Uzhgorod, and Dobromil records reside in L'viv. Some
Dobromil records also reside in Przemysl but that involves another SIG.

To see the history of my family including an 80 year old picture of my
great grandparents browse

http://www.hoflink.com/~dbaer/schantz.htm

Searching

Schancz, Gold in Dobromil
Schancz, Schantz, Greenstein, Grunstein in Munkacs (Mukachevo)

Dennis Baer


An Invitation #ukraine

Chuck Weinstein <cweinstein@...>
 

JewishGen's ShtetLinks Project offers you an opportunity to commemorate
the shtetlach where your family originated. Visit our site at
<www.jewishgen.org/ShtetLinks> and see what is possible for your
communities. We invite all Ukraine SIGgers to visit periodically to
check if your community is already on our site, and to contribute a page
if not. See you at ShtetLinks!

Chuck Weinstein
JewishGen ShtetLinks Project Manager
cweinstein@...


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine An Invitation #ukraine

Chuck Weinstein <cweinstein@...>
 

JewishGen's ShtetLinks Project offers you an opportunity to commemorate
the shtetlach where your family originated. Visit our site at
<www.jewishgen.org/ShtetLinks> and see what is possible for your
communities. We invite all Ukraine SIGgers to visit periodically to
check if your community is already on our site, and to contribute a page
if not. See you at ShtetLinks!

Chuck Weinstein
JewishGen ShtetLinks Project Manager
cweinstein@...


Mogilev Podolkiy #ukraine

Gillian Zebaida
 

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From: Gillian Zebaida <GILLZEB@...>
To: ukraine@...
Subject: Mogilev Podolkiy
Date: 18 September 2026 11:24

My family history has been 'melded' into book form and we are on final
drafts and at a pre-publishing stage. We have little information about
Mogilev Podolskiy circa 1850-1900 >from where my grandparents came. If
there
is any information about that shtetl out there - which could be
incorporated as background, I would be thrilled to hear about it. The
family names are DOLER (Dollar, Dollier, Dolliar, Dolier - depending on
which part of the world the family ended up in) and DUB(e). I believe
both
names are relatively uncommon and I would like to know if anyone else has
those names in their family trees.
Please respond privately.
thank you
Gillian Zebaida.
(London, England).
Researching: ATKINS/KURLAND (Boston) BLUMENTHAL / ROBBINS (San
Francisco),
DOLER/DOLLAR/Dolliar / DUB / ZASLAVER (Mogilev Podolskiy),
EISMANN/EISEMANN (?Grosskrotzenberg), HERZBERGER / NORDHAUSER
(Wustensachen), OPPENHEIMER (Worms), HIRSCHMANN / SCHMIDT
(Grosskrotzenberg) REUS (Reis/Reiss), SHOVERS (Racine, Wi) WERTHEIMER
(Berlin, Mannheim), ZEBAIDA (Iraq/Israel/USA)



Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Mogilev Podolkiy #ukraine

Gillian Zebaida
 

----------
From: Gillian Zebaida <GILLZEB@...>
To: ukraine@...
Subject: Mogilev Podolkiy
Date: 18 September 2026 11:24

My family history has been 'melded' into book form and we are on final
drafts and at a pre-publishing stage. We have little information about
Mogilev Podolskiy circa 1850-1900 >from where my grandparents came. If
there
is any information about that shtetl out there - which could be
incorporated as background, I would be thrilled to hear about it. The
family names are DOLER (Dollar, Dollier, Dolliar, Dolier - depending on
which part of the world the family ended up in) and DUB(e). I believe
both
names are relatively uncommon and I would like to know if anyone else has
those names in their family trees.
Please respond privately.
thank you
Gillian Zebaida.
(London, England).
Researching: ATKINS/KURLAND (Boston) BLUMENTHAL / ROBBINS (San
Francisco),
DOLER/DOLLAR/Dolliar / DUB / ZASLAVER (Mogilev Podolskiy),
EISMANN/EISEMANN (?Grosskrotzenberg), HERZBERGER / NORDHAUSER
(Wustensachen), OPPENHEIMER (Worms), HIRSCHMANN / SCHMIDT
(Grosskrotzenberg) REUS (Reis/Reiss), SHOVERS (Racine, Wi) WERTHEIMER
(Berlin, Mannheim), ZEBAIDA (Iraq/Israel/USA)



Re: Ukraine to Philly #ukraine

Henry Carrey/San Francisco/IBM <hcarrey@...>
 

The Yiddish name for Gladstone is probably Gladstein or most likely
Glatshtein as in the famous Yiddish writer/poet..

Henry Carrey
>Personal Address Deleted<
San Francisco,CA.

Subject: Ukraine to Philly
My big mystery is a large family of GLADSTONEs (the English translation of
something), the maiden name of my ggm (Todres BROTT married Chanah
GLADSTONE). The GLADSTONEs also lived in the same general area,
particularly
in Chartorysk, but I have found no one researching this particular family.
One distant cousin in Canada is a descendent by marriage of a branch of
KOLODNYs who married into one branch of the descendents of one Gladstone
sister of my ggm but that is my only source of information and she doesn't
know much. Many of this branch did not immigrate and did not survive the
Holocaust I'd love to know anything at all about the Ukranian
GLADSTONEs near Stepan, because I know almost nothing about my ggm's
origins.

I hope that this Sig can eventually pool its resources to extract archival
data for various areas in the Ukraine.

Jo Schwartz
Philadelphia

MODERATOR NOTE: That is one of the main goals of this SIG.
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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Ukraine to Philly #ukraine

Henry Carrey/San Francisco/IBM <hcarrey@...>
 

The Yiddish name for Gladstone is probably Gladstein or most likely
Glatshtein as in the famous Yiddish writer/poet..

Henry Carrey
>Personal Address Deleted<
San Francisco,CA.

Subject: Ukraine to Philly
My big mystery is a large family of GLADSTONEs (the English translation of
something), the maiden name of my ggm (Todres BROTT married Chanah
GLADSTONE). The GLADSTONEs also lived in the same general area,
particularly
in Chartorysk, but I have found no one researching this particular family.
One distant cousin in Canada is a descendent by marriage of a branch of
KOLODNYs who married into one branch of the descendents of one Gladstone
sister of my ggm but that is my only source of information and she doesn't
know much. Many of this branch did not immigrate and did not survive the
Holocaust I'd love to know anything at all about the Ukranian
GLADSTONEs near Stepan, because I know almost nothing about my ggm's
origins.

I hope that this Sig can eventually pool its resources to extract archival
data for various areas in the Ukraine.

Jo Schwartz
Philadelphia

MODERATOR NOTE: That is one of the main goals of this SIG.
---