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Re: belarus digest: September 26, 2000 #belarus

IsraelP <zach4v6@...>
 

In photographing some headstones for a friend, I found that several
generations ago, men and women were buried separately, sort of like
sitting separately in shul. It may have been tradition or law, don't
know but some older cemetaries have mens and womens sections.
Our local cemetery - founded in the last thirty years - has the rather
perverse policy of allowing adults of different sex to be buried next to
one another only if married to each other. Then you get problems like
this. Man A is in #1, Man B is in #4, with #2 & #3 saved for their wives.
Mrs A then remarries and decides to be buried with new husband.
Therefore you cannot put an adult in grave #2, next to Man A and Mrs
B. So you can only put a child there. But to save space, children are
buried in margins, where the topography allows for smaller graves.

One would think that being dead it doesn't much matter...

Israel Pickholtz


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: belarus digest: September 26, 2000 #belarus

IsraelP <zach4v6@...>
 

In photographing some headstones for a friend, I found that several
generations ago, men and women were buried separately, sort of like
sitting separately in shul. It may have been tradition or law, don't
know but some older cemetaries have mens and womens sections.
Our local cemetery - founded in the last thirty years - has the rather
perverse policy of allowing adults of different sex to be buried next to
one another only if married to each other. Then you get problems like
this. Man A is in #1, Man B is in #4, with #2 & #3 saved for their wives.
Mrs A then remarries and decides to be buried with new husband.
Therefore you cannot put an adult in grave #2, next to Man A and Mrs
B. So you can only put a child there. But to save space, children are
buried in margins, where the topography allows for smaller graves.

One would think that being dead it doesn't much matter...

Israel Pickholtz


shalom from Italy #general

*alina* <ali777@...>
 

Shalom!
I would like to know wether my grandmother's family name - Mondino- or my
grand grand mother's family name -Valle- are jewish names.
Thanks for your help.
Happy new year!
Alessandra Bonifati-
Lodi- Italy


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen shalom from Italy #general

*alina* <ali777@...>
 

Shalom!
I would like to know wether my grandmother's family name - Mondino- or my
grand grand mother's family name -Valle- are jewish names.
Thanks for your help.
Happy new year!
Alessandra Bonifati-
Lodi- Italy


Yiddish pronunciation #general

Nachum <nachum@...>
 

My wifes uncle sent me a list of Yiddish expressions that he remembers
from his childhood in Londons East End. I am not an expert on
Yiddish dialect, nor do I speak more than a few words of Yiddish.
Would it be possible to pinpoint an area of ones origins
(in this case before London) based on pronunciation? I am
choosing a couple of words >from the list my uncle-in-law sent me.

mishigina (I would say mishugana)
zug yur (my uncle-in-law says this means say yes, I would pronounce say as
zag)

A Chatima Tova to all JewishGenners and all Beit Yisrael, and TIA.

Nachum Tuchman
Tekoa, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Yiddish pronunciation #general

Nachum <nachum@...>
 

My wifes uncle sent me a list of Yiddish expressions that he remembers
from his childhood in Londons East End. I am not an expert on
Yiddish dialect, nor do I speak more than a few words of Yiddish.
Would it be possible to pinpoint an area of ones origins
(in this case before London) based on pronunciation? I am
choosing a couple of words >from the list my uncle-in-law sent me.

mishigina (I would say mishugana)
zug yur (my uncle-in-law says this means say yes, I would pronounce say as
zag)

A Chatima Tova to all JewishGenners and all Beit Yisrael, and TIA.

Nachum Tuchman
Tekoa, Israel


Re: belarus digest: September 26, 2000 #belarus

Lainslyd@...
 

Regarding separate burials. Many people belonged to societies. The
Society provided burial space as the deaths occurred. If you wanted
your spouse next to you had to pay an additional sum. Many did not
have the money to guarantee such burial.
Thus, they were not buried next to each other. In the 1960s one such
New York Cemetery required $200.00 additional.

Elaine Siegel
Monroe Township, NJ

Researching: Dudkin, >from Orsha, Mogelev, Berger, Maslow, Markowvetsky,
Sigemeister >from Pogost/Slutsk


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: belarus digest: September 26, 2000 #belarus

Lainslyd@...
 

Regarding separate burials. Many people belonged to societies. The
Society provided burial space as the deaths occurred. If you wanted
your spouse next to you had to pay an additional sum. Many did not
have the money to guarantee such burial.
Thus, they were not buried next to each other. In the 1960s one such
New York Cemetery required $200.00 additional.

Elaine Siegel
Monroe Township, NJ

Researching: Dudkin, >from Orsha, Mogelev, Berger, Maslow, Markowvetsky,
Sigemeister >from Pogost/Slutsk


Re: belarus digest: September 26, 2000 #belarus

Plutsk@...
 

Moderator wrote:

there is no policy on electronic greeting cards
-----------------
Oh please, let's IMMEDIATELY have a policy barring them, ok? I get
enough unsolicited impersonal non-professional mass e-mail without the
Belarus List adding to the spew. No greeting cards addressed to everyone
and no one; and while we're at it, no hugs, hearts, or fuzzy bears either.

I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade, but this list has a clearly
defined purpose, and electronic greeting cards, nice as they can be, are
outside that purpose.

Steve Gold

ADLER CHERNOV COHEN FELD GIEP GOLD KURTZMAN LEVANT LIWENTOW
OFFENBERG STARK WECKER

---------------
MODERATOR NOTE:
I understand, and agree.
-- the reason for letting this slip through
was that you did not have to open it id you didn't want to...
That is IMHO a very kind way of doing it.
Whereas it is appalling to receive large files with some
funny animations or cards or whatever.

P.S. It's a tough job being a moderator many find moderators
too strict, others too lenient -- it is impossible to
please everybody <VBG>
---------------


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: belarus digest: September 26, 2000 #belarus

Plutsk@...
 

Moderator wrote:

there is no policy on electronic greeting cards
-----------------
Oh please, let's IMMEDIATELY have a policy barring them, ok? I get
enough unsolicited impersonal non-professional mass e-mail without the
Belarus List adding to the spew. No greeting cards addressed to everyone
and no one; and while we're at it, no hugs, hearts, or fuzzy bears either.

I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade, but this list has a clearly
defined purpose, and electronic greeting cards, nice as they can be, are
outside that purpose.

Steve Gold

ADLER CHERNOV COHEN FELD GIEP GOLD KURTZMAN LEVANT LIWENTOW
OFFENBERG STARK WECKER

---------------
MODERATOR NOTE:
I understand, and agree.
-- the reason for letting this slip through
was that you did not have to open it id you didn't want to...
That is IMHO a very kind way of doing it.
Whereas it is appalling to receive large files with some
funny animations or cards or whatever.

P.S. It's a tough job being a moderator many find moderators
too strict, others too lenient -- it is impossible to
please everybody <VBG>
---------------


Doctor RABINER in Ukraine then Turkey #general

Micheline GUTMANN <MichelineGUTMANN@...>
 

Raphael, who is not yet on Internet, is looking for
Information about his grand-father Elie-Leon RABINER
who came to Paris to study medecine at the end of 19th century;
He met his grand-mother and the result was his mother.

He was born at Nicolaief in Ukraine, was a famous doctor
and went to Turkey after the revolution of 1917.
Elie-Leon RABINER had several sisters and brothers.
Raphael would like to meet his grandfather other descendants.

Thank you for any information.

Micheline GUTMANN, GenAmi, Paris, France
http://www.chez.com/genami


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Doctor RABINER in Ukraine then Turkey #general

Micheline GUTMANN <MichelineGUTMANN@...>
 

Raphael, who is not yet on Internet, is looking for
Information about his grand-father Elie-Leon RABINER
who came to Paris to study medecine at the end of 19th century;
He met his grand-mother and the result was his mother.

He was born at Nicolaief in Ukraine, was a famous doctor
and went to Turkey after the revolution of 1917.
Elie-Leon RABINER had several sisters and brothers.
Raphael would like to meet his grandfather other descendants.

Thank you for any information.

Micheline GUTMANN, GenAmi, Paris, France
http://www.chez.com/genami


Re: Possible errors on tombstones #belarus

Avrum Lapin <avrum113@...>
 

At 12:00 AM -0500 9/27/00, Laureen Glicklin Sussman wrote:

........ Also, he seems to be buried next to someone we had never heard
of, while our maternal great-grandmother is buried elsewhere - even so
far as to be in a different landsmanshaft section in the cemetery.
We are still puzzling over this.
--------------

Many fraternal organizations will sell surplus plots to non-members
(often at a marked up price). It is possible that at the time of the
first death there was only enough money to purchase a single plot
(or only single plots were available) and by the time the second death
occured there were no more plots available to "outsiders". There are
an infinite number of variations on this theme especially if the
decedents (or the relatives arranging burial) were unaffiliated with a
group which had burial plots. Most Jewish Funeral directors in large
cities have lists of what is available at any given time.


Avrum Lapin, of Upland, CA
avrum113@earthlink.net

Researching:
LAPIN Grodno
LAPUNSKI Grodno,Indura and Sokolka
KATZ,Abraham Bialystok and Sokolka
LUBELSKY Bialystok
RODIN Winnipeg and Gomel

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MODERATOR NOTE:
This thread is now closed.
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WW2 website #general

Miriam Margolyes <75342.3217@...>
 

http://209.127.136.50/ben/Associationmenu.cfm

Ben Myers Associations and Alumni Database

Very useful website for those searching for Army etc personnel


Miriam MARGOLYES

Santa Monica
e-mail: 75342.3217@compuserve.com

searching for: descendants of Babs, Betty & Alec GOLDSMITH
(London to NYC 1940s) TURIANSKY (Grodno) LAZARUS (Berlin 19C
to Chicago) PONDEL (Chicago & California)


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Possible errors on tombstones #belarus

Avrum Lapin <avrum113@...>
 

At 12:00 AM -0500 9/27/00, Laureen Glicklin Sussman wrote:

........ Also, he seems to be buried next to someone we had never heard
of, while our maternal great-grandmother is buried elsewhere - even so
far as to be in a different landsmanshaft section in the cemetery.
We are still puzzling over this.
--------------

Many fraternal organizations will sell surplus plots to non-members
(often at a marked up price). It is possible that at the time of the
first death there was only enough money to purchase a single plot
(or only single plots were available) and by the time the second death
occured there were no more plots available to "outsiders". There are
an infinite number of variations on this theme especially if the
decedents (or the relatives arranging burial) were unaffiliated with a
group which had burial plots. Most Jewish Funeral directors in large
cities have lists of what is available at any given time.


Avrum Lapin, of Upland, CA
avrum113@earthlink.net

Researching:
LAPIN Grodno
LAPUNSKI Grodno,Indura and Sokolka
KATZ,Abraham Bialystok and Sokolka
LUBELSKY Bialystok
RODIN Winnipeg and Gomel

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MODERATOR NOTE:
This thread is now closed.
---------------


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen WW2 website #general

Miriam Margolyes <75342.3217@...>
 

http://209.127.136.50/ben/Associationmenu.cfm

Ben Myers Associations and Alumni Database

Very useful website for those searching for Army etc personnel


Miriam MARGOLYES

Santa Monica
e-mail: 75342.3217@compuserve.com

searching for: descendants of Babs, Betty & Alec GOLDSMITH
(London to NYC 1940s) TURIANSKY (Grodno) LAZARUS (Berlin 19C
to Chicago) PONDEL (Chicago & California)


Re: separate burial #belarus

Alicia Jensen <aliciajens@...>
 

Hello all,
Thought I'd add my little story to this thread:
When my mother died in 1980, my grandparents bought 2 adjacent plots at
a Workman's Circle Cemetery.
My mother was buried in one, and they said they didn't want her to be
alone, so the next to die would lay next to her.
My grandfather was the next, in 1993, and so does now lay next to my
mother and she is no longer alone.
However, the sad thing is, my grandmother will now be alone when (G-d
forbid!) it is her time...

I'd better get all this genealogy straight so that doesn't confuse some
researcher later down the line! : )

Take Care,
Alicia Jensen
Placentia, CA, US
aliciajens@earthlink.net
Always searching for:
TALALAY / TAYLOR, DISKIN -Belarus to Michigan, US
WOHL, BROTT, FORTGANG -Austria / Poland to US
POTTER, BARROW, NEWSHAM -in England and to Canada to US
MADER , NIMPHER, KNAPP -Germany to US

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MODERATOR NOTE:
This thread is now cloced.
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Rabbi's from Widawa (BERGMAN) #general

Wendy Bergman <pearls@...>
 

Greetings Jewish Genners,
I have been reading your posts for close to a month now hoping to find
messages with similar subjects to my personal search.
Surprisingly, not one mention has been made with reference to the name
BERGMAN. I thought it might be more common.
My father is a survivor of the holocaust and came to NY >from Warsaw after
the war ended.
The earliest reference I know of in my family is of a Rabbi Lippman BERGMAN,
of Widawa born @ 1810-1815, died @ 1887
Rabbi had 5 sons: Icio, Abe, Leibish, Moshe, and David.
Is there a known source for researching Rabbi's of Poland?
Thanks for all the very interesting geneological subjects that I am becoming
acquainted with through this site.
Wendy ( in Boston)


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: separate burial #belarus

Alicia Jensen <aliciajens@...>
 

Hello all,
Thought I'd add my little story to this thread:
When my mother died in 1980, my grandparents bought 2 adjacent plots at
a Workman's Circle Cemetery.
My mother was buried in one, and they said they didn't want her to be
alone, so the next to die would lay next to her.
My grandfather was the next, in 1993, and so does now lay next to my
mother and she is no longer alone.
However, the sad thing is, my grandmother will now be alone when (G-d
forbid!) it is her time...

I'd better get all this genealogy straight so that doesn't confuse some
researcher later down the line! : )

Take Care,
Alicia Jensen
Placentia, CA, US
aliciajens@earthlink.net
Always searching for:
TALALAY / TAYLOR, DISKIN -Belarus to Michigan, US
WOHL, BROTT, FORTGANG -Austria / Poland to US
POTTER, BARROW, NEWSHAM -in England and to Canada to US
MADER , NIMPHER, KNAPP -Germany to US

---------------
MODERATOR NOTE:
This thread is now cloced.
---------------


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Rabbi's from Widawa (BERGMAN) #general

Wendy Bergman <pearls@...>
 

Greetings Jewish Genners,
I have been reading your posts for close to a month now hoping to find
messages with similar subjects to my personal search.
Surprisingly, not one mention has been made with reference to the name
BERGMAN. I thought it might be more common.
My father is a survivor of the holocaust and came to NY >from Warsaw after
the war ended.
The earliest reference I know of in my family is of a Rabbi Lippman BERGMAN,
of Widawa born @ 1810-1815, died @ 1887
Rabbi had 5 sons: Icio, Abe, Leibish, Moshe, and David.
Is there a known source for researching Rabbi's of Poland?
Thanks for all the very interesting geneological subjects that I am becoming
acquainted with through this site.
Wendy ( in Boston)