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The Jewish underground #ukraine

SRivkin742@...
 

In a message dated 9/16/00 9:53:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, MMBegun@...
writes:

<< out of Ukraine into Romania. I had heard this story many times and
finally
learned a few years ago how this was done.

There was a group informally known as the "fussgeyers" (sp?) who were
organized in some way to make their way out of the country, across borders,
to a new life. Anyone with more details on how this was accomplished?
Perhaps something like the underground railroad in U.S. history. >>

Apparently there was a long history of Jews in the Ukraine and other places
to flee into Romaina to buy forged papers. >from Romaina they would go into
Poland.
Sometimes the papers were arranged for them by friends or family who would
pay
a member of the underground to get it done. Then the person or family would
cross into Poland >from the Ukraine at a border hidden in a haycart where the
Polish guard had often been bribed and the friend or other person waited with
papers and information on a safehouse to go to - till steamship tickets could
be arranged out of the country. After the massacres of 1919 in Proskurov and
other places the relief
committees were involved with the underground helping to get Jews out of
Russia.
As many were naturalized American Jews on the relief committes the US Gov't
was
not happy with this and condsidered it obtaining us passports under false
pretenses
[interfering in the affairs of a another coutry Russia] - in one case I know
the US
cancelled the passport of one involved. Also I've been told signs were posted
and Jews in the US advised if they went back to Russia to visit and had
problems
the US would be powerless to help them. [actually this was the unoffical
policy]
I have not ever seen much written on the underground - I supect there may be
much
on it in the relief committees records at YIVO. My own information comes >from
the
records concerning a relief committee underground member Nathan Dardick a US
citizen formally >from Proskurov [served in the Spanish American war 1898]
-anyway in early 1920 Proskurov he escaped capture with 50,000 of committe
money to help Jews get out of Russia - he and the other committe members fled
into Romaina where they were told many of the area jews had fled. While in
Romaina
everyone but Nathan was captured by the Romainian army. You see both in
Proskurov and were they were staying in Romaina stories quickly spread of the
American Jews with lots of money and troops in both places had come to seize
them but were sucessful in Romaina. Nathan luckily escaped with the money
intact.
The money represented the donations of many many american Jews - I dont know
what 50,000 dollars in 1920 dollars tranlates to today but needless to say its
hundreds of thousands of dollars. I hope to publish a fuller account of this
at some point. Nathan Dardick was the brother of my great grandfather Abram
Herrmann.
Herrmann was also involved in the story in a minor way and he was the father
of the
famed Hollywood music composer Bernard Herrmann.

-Steve Rivkin


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine The Jewish underground #ukraine

SRivkin742@...
 

In a message dated 9/16/00 9:53:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, MMBegun@...
writes:

<< out of Ukraine into Romania. I had heard this story many times and
finally
learned a few years ago how this was done.

There was a group informally known as the "fussgeyers" (sp?) who were
organized in some way to make their way out of the country, across borders,
to a new life. Anyone with more details on how this was accomplished?
Perhaps something like the underground railroad in U.S. history. >>

Apparently there was a long history of Jews in the Ukraine and other places
to flee into Romaina to buy forged papers. >from Romaina they would go into
Poland.
Sometimes the papers were arranged for them by friends or family who would
pay
a member of the underground to get it done. Then the person or family would
cross into Poland >from the Ukraine at a border hidden in a haycart where the
Polish guard had often been bribed and the friend or other person waited with
papers and information on a safehouse to go to - till steamship tickets could
be arranged out of the country. After the massacres of 1919 in Proskurov and
other places the relief
committees were involved with the underground helping to get Jews out of
Russia.
As many were naturalized American Jews on the relief committes the US Gov't
was
not happy with this and condsidered it obtaining us passports under false
pretenses
[interfering in the affairs of a another coutry Russia] - in one case I know
the US
cancelled the passport of one involved. Also I've been told signs were posted
and Jews in the US advised if they went back to Russia to visit and had
problems
the US would be powerless to help them. [actually this was the unoffical
policy]
I have not ever seen much written on the underground - I supect there may be
much
on it in the relief committees records at YIVO. My own information comes >from
the
records concerning a relief committee underground member Nathan Dardick a US
citizen formally >from Proskurov [served in the Spanish American war 1898]
-anyway in early 1920 Proskurov he escaped capture with 50,000 of committe
money to help Jews get out of Russia - he and the other committe members fled
into Romaina where they were told many of the area jews had fled. While in
Romaina
everyone but Nathan was captured by the Romainian army. You see both in
Proskurov and were they were staying in Romaina stories quickly spread of the
American Jews with lots of money and troops in both places had come to seize
them but were sucessful in Romaina. Nathan luckily escaped with the money
intact.
The money represented the donations of many many american Jews - I dont know
what 50,000 dollars in 1920 dollars tranlates to today but needless to say its
hundreds of thousands of dollars. I hope to publish a fuller account of this
at some point. Nathan Dardick was the brother of my great grandfather Abram
Herrmann.
Herrmann was also involved in the story in a minor way and he was the father
of the
famed Hollywood music composer Bernard Herrmann.

-Steve Rivkin


Census of Sidon, Palestine; + Turkey #general

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
 

Some of you may find these of value:

http://www.sephardichouse.org/sidon.pdf
Census of (Sidon) Ottoman Controlled Erets Yisrael of
1839 CE [Sidon is now in Lebanon]

http://www.sephardichouse.org/hahambasi.html
Chief Rabbis (Hahambasi) of the Ottoman Empire and
Republic of Turkey: 1452 - 2000

http://www.sephardichouse.org/sultans1.html
Ottoman Sultans and Their Jewish Subjects: A listing of all
the Sultans of the former Ottoman Empire (1258 CE - 1926 CE),
and their individual relations with their Jewish subjects and
officers. This data has been provided to Sephardic House in
partnership with the Quincentennial Foundation of Istanbul.

Dan

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
Springfield, Ohio USA
Poland/Ukraine/Istanbul -->> Chicago/Philadelphia/Bronx
http://userpages.wittenberg.edu/dkazez/fam/ent/fam.html


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Census of Sidon, Palestine; + Turkey #general

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
 

Some of you may find these of value:

http://www.sephardichouse.org/sidon.pdf
Census of (Sidon) Ottoman Controlled Erets Yisrael of
1839 CE [Sidon is now in Lebanon]

http://www.sephardichouse.org/hahambasi.html
Chief Rabbis (Hahambasi) of the Ottoman Empire and
Republic of Turkey: 1452 - 2000

http://www.sephardichouse.org/sultans1.html
Ottoman Sultans and Their Jewish Subjects: A listing of all
the Sultans of the former Ottoman Empire (1258 CE - 1926 CE),
and their individual relations with their Jewish subjects and
officers. This data has been provided to Sephardic House in
partnership with the Quincentennial Foundation of Istanbul.

Dan

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
Springfield, Ohio USA
Poland/Ukraine/Istanbul -->> Chicago/Philadelphia/Bronx
http://userpages.wittenberg.edu/dkazez/fam/ent/fam.html


Kamenets Podolskiy region (new book[s]) #ukraine

Brdbrain7@...
 

Has anyone seen The Road >from Letichev
(http://home.earthlink.net/~dchapin/details.html) by David Chapin and Ben
Weinstock? It is a 2 volume history of the region around Kamenets Podolskiy.
I ordered >from the publisher, iUniverse, but have not yet received. The
website is tantalizing. In the surname list are Brenner (my
great-grandmother was Bella Erlichman Brenner), Vaysman (one of my great
grandmother's sisters was Mirka Erlichman Weisman), and (Bekman/Bekerman
(another sister was Ida Erlichman Beckman). When I ordered, publisher said
it could take 4 weeks.

I'm not at all sure how SIG operates. It seems to be like the old "party
line" phone system. Wish someone would explain its use.

Robin Brenner Bogeaus(<Bogoslowsky) Seidenberg

Researching Brenner, Erlichman-Kamenets Podolskiy (Zinkov, Proskurov);
Bogoslowsky-Stavisht, Katerinoslav, Kiev; Waniewski, Wiersczekivicz-area
around Bialystok (west).


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Kamenets Podolskiy region (new book[s]) #ukraine

Brdbrain7@...
 

Has anyone seen The Road >from Letichev
(http://home.earthlink.net/~dchapin/details.html) by David Chapin and Ben
Weinstock? It is a 2 volume history of the region around Kamenets Podolskiy.
I ordered >from the publisher, iUniverse, but have not yet received. The
website is tantalizing. In the surname list are Brenner (my
great-grandmother was Bella Erlichman Brenner), Vaysman (one of my great
grandmother's sisters was Mirka Erlichman Weisman), and (Bekman/Bekerman
(another sister was Ida Erlichman Beckman). When I ordered, publisher said
it could take 4 weeks.

I'm not at all sure how SIG operates. It seems to be like the old "party
line" phone system. Wish someone would explain its use.

Robin Brenner Bogeaus(<Bogoslowsky) Seidenberg

Researching Brenner, Erlichman-Kamenets Podolskiy (Zinkov, Proskurov);
Bogoslowsky-Stavisht, Katerinoslav, Kiev; Waniewski, Wiersczekivicz-area
around Bialystok (west).


Volozhy'n Belarus #general

Stephen A. Cohen
 

Name: Stephen A. Cohen (JewishGen #12106)
East Meadow NY (Long Island) - USA
E-mail: <gen@...> formerly <gen@...>

Ed Meltzer wrote for the population of this Belarus town and questioning
whether it was Polish or Bylorussian during the 1865-1880 period.

His second question is academic because neither country existed during the
period in question. Poland was split up by the major central European
powers in 1848 and did not become an independent nation again until after
World War 1.

Bylorussia or White Russia in English was part of the Imperial Russian
Empire until 1917 when part became a republic of the USSR and the balance
was added to Poland.
After the second World War, the Polish section became part of Bylorussia.
After the downfall of the Soviet government the whole area became the
Independent Republic of Belarus.

Volozhy'n also called Valozhyn is located at map coordinates: 5405 2632
which is 43.8 miles WNW of Minsk. Prior to 1842 the town was part of the
Minsk Gubernia (province) but in 1842 it became part of the Vilno Gubernia
and remained there until 1917, when part of this area was ceded to Poland
and part became Byloruussia.

For further data about the town please see the Shtetls of Belarus data base at:

http://www.jewishgen.org/Belarus/Shtetls/Belarus.htm

Whether this town is part of the Lida Uezd (district) or the Vilieka Uyezd,
I can't say because it is very close to the border between them.

For the population figures, I would look up the town in Where Once We
Walked which can be obtained >from many major public libraries.

L'Shana Tova,

Stephen A. Cohen

PS: I am researching the following families:

Germany: BAUM in Bosen; EISENKRAMER, MARX & LEFEVRE, LEFEBRE: in Rhineland
Palat//Belarus:BASIST/ BASSIST in Lida Dist; SHEINHOUS/ SHEINHAUS/SHINGAUS
in Radoshkovichi, Molodechno & Smorgon// Galicia: BIRNBAUM/
GOLDBERG/LEINKRAM in Krakow; SCHNEPS/SHNEPS /SZNEPS: in Dembitz,Tarnow;
GELLER:in Mielec; KREINDLER; ECKSTEIN;


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Volozhy'n Belarus #general

Stephen A. Cohen
 

Name: Stephen A. Cohen (JewishGen #12106)
East Meadow NY (Long Island) - USA
E-mail: <gen@...> formerly <gen@...>

Ed Meltzer wrote for the population of this Belarus town and questioning
whether it was Polish or Bylorussian during the 1865-1880 period.

His second question is academic because neither country existed during the
period in question. Poland was split up by the major central European
powers in 1848 and did not become an independent nation again until after
World War 1.

Bylorussia or White Russia in English was part of the Imperial Russian
Empire until 1917 when part became a republic of the USSR and the balance
was added to Poland.
After the second World War, the Polish section became part of Bylorussia.
After the downfall of the Soviet government the whole area became the
Independent Republic of Belarus.

Volozhy'n also called Valozhyn is located at map coordinates: 5405 2632
which is 43.8 miles WNW of Minsk. Prior to 1842 the town was part of the
Minsk Gubernia (province) but in 1842 it became part of the Vilno Gubernia
and remained there until 1917, when part of this area was ceded to Poland
and part became Byloruussia.

For further data about the town please see the Shtetls of Belarus data base at:

http://www.jewishgen.org/Belarus/Shtetls/Belarus.htm

Whether this town is part of the Lida Uezd (district) or the Vilieka Uyezd,
I can't say because it is very close to the border between them.

For the population figures, I would look up the town in Where Once We
Walked which can be obtained >from many major public libraries.

L'Shana Tova,

Stephen A. Cohen

PS: I am researching the following families:

Germany: BAUM in Bosen; EISENKRAMER, MARX & LEFEVRE, LEFEBRE: in Rhineland
Palat//Belarus:BASIST/ BASSIST in Lida Dist; SHEINHOUS/ SHEINHAUS/SHINGAUS
in Radoshkovichi, Molodechno & Smorgon// Galicia: BIRNBAUM/
GOLDBERG/LEINKRAM in Krakow; SCHNEPS/SHNEPS /SZNEPS: in Dembitz,Tarnow;
GELLER:in Mielec; KREINDLER; ECKSTEIN;


Silancher near Kamenets-Podolski #ukraine

C. Surprise <surprcj@...>
 

I have searched (ShtetlSeeker and several gazetteers) for months, without
success, for the location of the town where my grandmother was born in 1889.
In her naturalization documents, she stated that she was born in Silancher
(also spelled Silantcher, Silaneber, and Zilancher in her various
documents), Russia. She also stated that her last place of residence in
Russia was Letichov. My family members believe our family was >from a town
near Kiyev, possibly near Kamenets-Podolski. I would greatly appreciate any
help on this. Thanks.

Searching: RAPAPORT/RAPPAPORT/RAPOPORT/RAPPORT, ORENTLICHER, GORFUNKLE
(Kamenets-Podolski)

Cynthia Surprise
Acton, Massachusetts, USA


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Silancher near Kamenets-Podolski #ukraine

C. Surprise <surprcj@...>
 

I have searched (ShtetlSeeker and several gazetteers) for months, without
success, for the location of the town where my grandmother was born in 1889.
In her naturalization documents, she stated that she was born in Silancher
(also spelled Silantcher, Silaneber, and Zilancher in her various
documents), Russia. She also stated that her last place of residence in
Russia was Letichov. My family members believe our family was >from a town
near Kiyev, possibly near Kamenets-Podolski. I would greatly appreciate any
help on this. Thanks.

Searching: RAPAPORT/RAPPAPORT/RAPOPORT/RAPPORT, ORENTLICHER, GORFUNKLE
(Kamenets-Podolski)

Cynthia Surprise
Acton, Massachusetts, USA


SEARCHING: KATZOFF/KATSOV/KATSOF #ukraine

Saul Klarer <klar-pax@...>
 

Still searching for relatives of the Katzoff/Katsov/ Katsof families,
etc.who lived in NOVOGRAD VOLYINSKI .
They may have migrated there >from the ANNOPOL area about 1850.
Father Yakov Tzvi, mothers name unknown. At least 3 known children
Isaac b.1873, Abraham b,1880, Braindle (Becky) 1894..

Since there may not be civic records available , what other records could be
searched, where are they ?
Any advice will be welcome

TIA

Saul KLARER < klar-pax@...>


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine SEARCHING: KATZOFF/KATSOV/KATSOF #ukraine

Saul Klarer <klar-pax@...>
 

Still searching for relatives of the Katzoff/Katsov/ Katsof families,
etc.who lived in NOVOGRAD VOLYINSKI .
They may have migrated there >from the ANNOPOL area about 1850.
Father Yakov Tzvi, mothers name unknown. At least 3 known children
Isaac b.1873, Abraham b,1880, Braindle (Becky) 1894..

Since there may not be civic records available , what other records could be
searched, where are they ?
Any advice will be welcome

TIA

Saul KLARER < klar-pax@...>


Re: Crypto-Jews -- New Mexico #general

mpfreed28315861@...
 

In article <001e01c01f8c$7bd1bf80$0100a8c0@mervjeanone>,
"Mervin Rosenbaum" <mervinr@...> wrote:
For those in the right age group, I strongly recommend the
Elderhostel course on Crypto Jews of the Southwest, which is
offered frequently in Albuquerque by the University of
New Mexico.

Much work has been done on this subject by Judith S. Neulander
The Folklore Institute, Indiana University. Scholarly investigation
seems to cast doubt on these 'crypto Jews'.

Murray Freedman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Crypto-Jews -- New Mexico #general

mpfreed28315861@...
 

In article <001e01c01f8c$7bd1bf80$0100a8c0@mervjeanone>,
"Mervin Rosenbaum" <mervinr@...> wrote:
For those in the right age group, I strongly recommend the
Elderhostel course on Crypto Jews of the Southwest, which is
offered frequently in Albuquerque by the University of
New Mexico.

Much work has been done on this subject by Judith S. Neulander
The Folklore Institute, Indiana University. Scholarly investigation
seems to cast doubt on these 'crypto Jews'.

Murray Freedman


Re: Searching: SKWERES #general

mpfreed28315861@...
 

In article <000c01c01f9b$5378ee00$0670bace@user>,
"Marilyn Bailey" <bailey4@...> wrote:
Does anyone have any info on the SKWERES name. This family was >from the
Alsace-Lorraine area of France. Any help with this name would be greatly
appreciated. (any info. >from past right up to the present)
I wonder if this has any connection with the similar name (SKVARE)of a
Chassidic group in NY ?

Murray Freedman


Re: SS-5 Application For Genealogoy Research Not Worth Requesting #general

Bobmar37
 

I recently got a form SS-5 which was a xerox of the 1936 application and
had both the birthdate of the person and her parents' names, all previously
unknown to me. It was well worth the $7.

Marian Price
Round Rock, TX


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Searching: SKWERES #general

mpfreed28315861@...
 

In article <000c01c01f9b$5378ee00$0670bace@user>,
"Marilyn Bailey" <bailey4@...> wrote:
Does anyone have any info on the SKWERES name. This family was >from the
Alsace-Lorraine area of France. Any help with this name would be greatly
appreciated. (any info. >from past right up to the present)
I wonder if this has any connection with the similar name (SKVARE)of a
Chassidic group in NY ?

Murray Freedman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: SS-5 Application For Genealogoy Research Not Worth Requesting #general

Bobmar37
 

I recently got a form SS-5 which was a xerox of the 1936 application and
had both the birthdate of the person and her parents' names, all previously
unknown to me. It was well worth the $7.

Marian Price
Round Rock, TX


TISCHONACKY #general

HMW <h_m_w@...>
 

I am searching info about Pearl TISCHONACKY who had married Dave WEINSTEIN.
I only know they were >from the Kiev area and they came to New Orleans, LA
USA about 1902. Their children (Pincus, Sossel, Jacob, Samuel, Mordecai,
and Hyman) came to New Orleans, Chicago, Philadelphia, New York. If anyone
could be of help it would be appreciated.

Murray Weinstein
h_m_w@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen TISCHONACKY #general

HMW <h_m_w@...>
 

I am searching info about Pearl TISCHONACKY who had married Dave WEINSTEIN.
I only know they were >from the Kiev area and they came to New Orleans, LA
USA about 1902. Their children (Pincus, Sossel, Jacob, Samuel, Mordecai,
and Hyman) came to New Orleans, Chicago, Philadelphia, New York. If anyone
could be of help it would be appreciated.

Murray Weinstein
h_m_w@...