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Re: An urgent request: Chosing font, color and case for readability #general

Stan Goodman <stan@...>
 

I could not agree more, but the request doesn't go far enough. Please
set your news program to send your postings in "Plain Text", not the
HTML tags that are behind the gorgeous formatting that the posting
quoted below is describing. HTML formatting, although it may be
beautiful when viewed on browsers (Netscape or Internet Explorer)
creates a terrible mess on the screens of those of us who use real
news clients; the same is true of real mail clients. HTML-formatted
postings or email notes also are files four times as large as plain
text equivalents. The information is, after all, in the TEXT, not in
the caps, italics, and fonts. HTML formatting, although very useful
for Web pages (which is what it is designed for) has no place in
newgroups or email.

Please!!!

Sun, 17 Sep 2000 02:41:19, MBernet@... wrote:

Some people are in the habit of using special fonts, sizes, weights or
colors for their e-mail messages. Some, I assume, because they think them
to be more "personalized" or "attractive"; some because they think they
will draw more attention.

Please be aware that the easiest style to read on the screen is Arial, or
a similar simple non-serif face. The most readable size for most people is
10 to 12 points. Black is the easiest color to read. Bold and italics are
hard to read. Upper case (all-caps) is *Much* harder to read than regular
upper and lower case.

Capitals should be used only for a few words for special emphasis or, in
genealogy, to set apart *Family* names. In Netiquette, all-caps is
considered rude and is termes "shouting."

Reading on the computer screen is somewhat unnatural and tends to be
something of a strain to most of us. Having to figure out a special font,
or to read in color, italics, bold, underlined, unusual size etc. adds
extra strain and makes it *Harder* to concentrate on the text.

So, if you want to get your message read, don't mess with fonts, sizes,
colors etc and, above all, no all-caps

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join #ukraine

Jerry Weitzman <speachman@...>
 

I want to join the UkraineSIG.

Jerry Weitzman
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: An urgent request: Chosing font, color and case for readability #general

Stan Goodman <stan@...>
 

I could not agree more, but the request doesn't go far enough. Please
set your news program to send your postings in "Plain Text", not the
HTML tags that are behind the gorgeous formatting that the posting
quoted below is describing. HTML formatting, although it may be
beautiful when viewed on browsers (Netscape or Internet Explorer)
creates a terrible mess on the screens of those of us who use real
news clients; the same is true of real mail clients. HTML-formatted
postings or email notes also are files four times as large as plain
text equivalents. The information is, after all, in the TEXT, not in
the caps, italics, and fonts. HTML formatting, although very useful
for Web pages (which is what it is designed for) has no place in
newgroups or email.

Please!!!

Sun, 17 Sep 2000 02:41:19, MBernet@... wrote:

Some people are in the habit of using special fonts, sizes, weights or
colors for their e-mail messages. Some, I assume, because they think them
to be more "personalized" or "attractive"; some because they think they
will draw more attention.

Please be aware that the easiest style to read on the screen is Arial, or
a similar simple non-serif face. The most readable size for most people is
10 to 12 points. Black is the easiest color to read. Bold and italics are
hard to read. Upper case (all-caps) is *Much* harder to read than regular
upper and lower case.

Capitals should be used only for a few words for special emphasis or, in
genealogy, to set apart *Family* names. In Netiquette, all-caps is
considered rude and is termes "shouting."

Reading on the computer screen is somewhat unnatural and tends to be
something of a strain to most of us. Having to figure out a special font,
or to read in color, italics, bold, underlined, unusual size etc. adds
extra strain and makes it *Harder* to concentrate on the text.

So, if you want to get your message read, don't mess with fonts, sizes,
colors etc and, above all, no all-caps

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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine join #ukraine

Jerry Weitzman <speachman@...>
 

I want to join the UkraineSIG.

Jerry Weitzman
speachman@...

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Re: An urgent request: Chosing font, color and case for #general

Hank Mishkoff <HMishkoff@...>
 

Please be aware that the easiest style to read on the screen is Arial, or
a similar simple non-serif face.
Dont mean to nitpick, but...

Back when I used to write documentation for a living, I was taught that
studies have shown that serif fonts are easier to read than sans-serif
fonts. (For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about: "Serifs"
are short perpendicular lines at the ends of strokes in letters. The most
obvious example is the letter "I": In a serif font [like Courier], it's a
vertical line with a short horizontal line at each end; in a sans-serif
font [like Arial], the letter "I" is nothing more than a single vertical
line.) The reason is that, at a subconscious level, serifs draw your eyes
along the line you're reading.

Sans-serif fonts, however, often look better than serif fonts, and thus
are often used in situations where visual appeal is more important than
readability.

Having said all that, I suspect that this whole point is moot, because I
don't believe you can select fonts or colors for your JewishGen notes, as
I don't believe that the moderators will post any notes that include
anything other than "plain text." (I'm sure that someone will correct me
if I have misspoken.)

MODERATOR NOTE: Mr. Mishkoff is correct that all messages should be sent
to the Discussion Group as "Plain Text" and that this eliminates the
issues of serif vs sans serif.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: An urgent request: Chosing font, color and case for #general

Hank Mishkoff <HMishkoff@...>
 

Please be aware that the easiest style to read on the screen is Arial, or
a similar simple non-serif face.
Dont mean to nitpick, but...

Back when I used to write documentation for a living, I was taught that
studies have shown that serif fonts are easier to read than sans-serif
fonts. (For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about: "Serifs"
are short perpendicular lines at the ends of strokes in letters. The most
obvious example is the letter "I": In a serif font [like Courier], it's a
vertical line with a short horizontal line at each end; in a sans-serif
font [like Arial], the letter "I" is nothing more than a single vertical
line.) The reason is that, at a subconscious level, serifs draw your eyes
along the line you're reading.

Sans-serif fonts, however, often look better than serif fonts, and thus
are often used in situations where visual appeal is more important than
readability.

Having said all that, I suspect that this whole point is moot, because I
don't believe you can select fonts or colors for your JewishGen notes, as
I don't believe that the moderators will post any notes that include
anything other than "plain text." (I'm sure that someone will correct me
if I have misspoken.)

MODERATOR NOTE: Mr. Mishkoff is correct that all messages should be sent
to the Discussion Group as "Plain Text" and that this eliminates the
issues of serif vs sans serif.


some names and places #ukraine

SRivkin742@...
 

researching:

Dardik / Dardick of StaroKonstantinov and Proskurov to New York city

Finkelpearl of Kishinev to Pittsburgh, Pa

Sandomirski of Kremensug - Kremenchug to Pittsburg, Pa changed to
[Sandomire]

Berdichevski of Kremensug?

Rabinovitz of Kishinev? to Pittsburgh name changed to [Robin]

Zvenigorodski of Poltava to New York then Los Angeles name became [Rivkin]

Shamroy and Shamray >from Shamraevski? to New York

Thanks,Steve Rivkin


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine some names and places #ukraine

SRivkin742@...
 

researching:

Dardik / Dardick of StaroKonstantinov and Proskurov to New York city

Finkelpearl of Kishinev to Pittsburgh, Pa

Sandomirski of Kremensug - Kremenchug to Pittsburg, Pa changed to
[Sandomire]

Berdichevski of Kremensug?

Rabinovitz of Kishinev? to Pittsburgh name changed to [Robin]

Zvenigorodski of Poltava to New York then Los Angeles name became [Rivkin]

Shamroy and Shamray >from Shamraevski? to New York

Thanks,Steve Rivkin


Ukraine to Philly #ukraine

Jo Schwartz <joschwartz@...>
 

My SCHWARTZ and BROWN (BROTT) grandparents and ggp's also came to
Philadelphia, in the early 1900's. The SCHWARTZs were >from Stepan, near
Rafalowka. The BROTTs were >from Mayuniche, which was very small (10 houses)
and I believe about 15 miles >from Stepan, and 3 miles >from Chartorysk

My ggf Chaim Schwartz came in 1902, landed in NYC, and listed a Jacob
Schwartz in Philadelphia as his destination. He referred to him as his
brother, but the family has no knowledge of any brothers, never met any
brother when they followed in 1904, and I have yet to figure out who this
Jacob Schwartz was. He did naturalize in Philadelphia, but there was no
listing of the ship or date of arrival in the US. Based on the
naturalization date, he had to have been here at least since 1896 or so.
The address my ggf listed on his ship manifest existed but by the time of
the 1910 census, the first one I could use, there was a David Schwartz and
family there,not a Jacob, and his age does not make it possible for them to
be the same person.

So Schwartzs >from the Ukraine, and possibly >from Stepan itself have been in
Phila for quite some time. I know that quite a few people >from Stepan also
ended up in the Long Island or NYC area because there was a Stepaner
Landsmanschaften that bought cemetery plots in one of the Long Island
cemeteries. SCHENKERs >from Stepan were part of this group, and some
descendents still live in Bayone NJ. I am related to the the SCHENKERs
thru a marriage of my ggf's sister to a Herschel SCHENKER, who did not
immigrate.

My big mystery is a large family of GLADSTONEs (the English translation of
something), the maiden name of my ggm (Todres BROTT married Chanah
GLADSTONE). The GLADSTONEs also lived in the same general area, particularly
in Chartorysk, but I have found no one researching this particular family.
One distant cousin in Canada is a descendent by marriage of a branch of
KOLODNYs who married into one branch of the descendents of one Gladstone
sister of my ggm but that is my only source of information and she doesn't
know much. Many of this branch did not immigrate and did not survive the
Holocaust I'd love to know anything at all about the Ukranian
GLADSTONEs near Stepan, because I know almost nothing about my ggm's
origins.

I hope that this Sig can eventually pool its resources to extract archival
data for various areas in the Ukraine.

Jo Schwartz
Philadelphia

MODERATOR NOTE: That is one of the main goals of this SIG.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Ukraine to Philly #ukraine

Jo Schwartz <joschwartz@...>
 

My SCHWARTZ and BROWN (BROTT) grandparents and ggp's also came to
Philadelphia, in the early 1900's. The SCHWARTZs were >from Stepan, near
Rafalowka. The BROTTs were >from Mayuniche, which was very small (10 houses)
and I believe about 15 miles >from Stepan, and 3 miles >from Chartorysk

My ggf Chaim Schwartz came in 1902, landed in NYC, and listed a Jacob
Schwartz in Philadelphia as his destination. He referred to him as his
brother, but the family has no knowledge of any brothers, never met any
brother when they followed in 1904, and I have yet to figure out who this
Jacob Schwartz was. He did naturalize in Philadelphia, but there was no
listing of the ship or date of arrival in the US. Based on the
naturalization date, he had to have been here at least since 1896 or so.
The address my ggf listed on his ship manifest existed but by the time of
the 1910 census, the first one I could use, there was a David Schwartz and
family there,not a Jacob, and his age does not make it possible for them to
be the same person.

So Schwartzs >from the Ukraine, and possibly >from Stepan itself have been in
Phila for quite some time. I know that quite a few people >from Stepan also
ended up in the Long Island or NYC area because there was a Stepaner
Landsmanschaften that bought cemetery plots in one of the Long Island
cemeteries. SCHENKERs >from Stepan were part of this group, and some
descendents still live in Bayone NJ. I am related to the the SCHENKERs
thru a marriage of my ggf's sister to a Herschel SCHENKER, who did not
immigrate.

My big mystery is a large family of GLADSTONEs (the English translation of
something), the maiden name of my ggm (Todres BROTT married Chanah
GLADSTONE). The GLADSTONEs also lived in the same general area, particularly
in Chartorysk, but I have found no one researching this particular family.
One distant cousin in Canada is a descendent by marriage of a branch of
KOLODNYs who married into one branch of the descendents of one Gladstone
sister of my ggm but that is my only source of information and she doesn't
know much. Many of this branch did not immigrate and did not survive the
Holocaust I'd love to know anything at all about the Ukranian
GLADSTONEs near Stepan, because I know almost nothing about my ggm's
origins.

I hope that this Sig can eventually pool its resources to extract archival
data for various areas in the Ukraine.

Jo Schwartz
Philadelphia

MODERATOR NOTE: That is one of the main goals of this SIG.


Congratulations! #ukraine

Shelley K. Pollero <rkpollero@...>
 

Dear Members of Ukraine SIG,

We are delighted to learn of the formation of your new Ukraine SIG.
Although your group focuses on that part of Ukraine once in the Russian
Empire,
Gesher Galicia (formerly the Austrian Empire) looks forward to mutual
cooperation and communication with Ukraine SIG regarding areas of common

interest.

Congratulations to the coordinators and members of the new Ukraine SIG!
We wish you well!

Shelley Kellerman Pollero, Coordinator
Gesher Galicia
Severna Park, Maryland
<rkpollero@...>

cc: Galicia SIG, Lviv Research Group, Borislav/Drogobych/Sambor Group


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Congratulations! #ukraine

Shelley K. Pollero <rkpollero@...>
 

Dear Members of Ukraine SIG,

We are delighted to learn of the formation of your new Ukraine SIG.
Although your group focuses on that part of Ukraine once in the Russian
Empire,
Gesher Galicia (formerly the Austrian Empire) looks forward to mutual
cooperation and communication with Ukraine SIG regarding areas of common

interest.

Congratulations to the coordinators and members of the new Ukraine SIG!
We wish you well!

Shelley Kellerman Pollero, Coordinator
Gesher Galicia
Severna Park, Maryland
<rkpollero@...>

cc: Galicia SIG, Lviv Research Group, Borislav/Drogobych/Sambor Group


Re: Researching Korostyshev, Zhitomir, Tarascha, Uman #ukraine

Steven J. Rosen
 

I see that you are researching Futoransky in Uman. I am researching
Zylbershteyn in neighboring Golovanevsk in the Uman region. I have not been
able to find any Yizkor books or research specialists for this region, but I
do have some detailed accounts of pogroms in the Uman district. I would be
interested to see if we can exchange information.

--Steve Rosen,
researching >from Golovanevsk: Sholim and Anna Silberstein and their son
Jacob David Silberstein (1856 - November 22, 1922), and Louis and Bertha
Silberstein and their daughter Mary Silberstein (1857 - March 12, 1926),
a.k.a. Miriam, Mamtsi, Manche


Re: Researching Korostyshev, Zhitomir, Tarascha, Uman #ukraine

Steven J. Rosen
 

I too would like to know the name of your researcher


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Researching Korostyshev, Zhitomir, Tarascha, Uman #ukraine

Steven J. Rosen
 

I see that you are researching Futoransky in Uman. I am researching
Zylbershteyn in neighboring Golovanevsk in the Uman region. I have not been
able to find any Yizkor books or research specialists for this region, but I
do have some detailed accounts of pogroms in the Uman district. I would be
interested to see if we can exchange information.

--Steve Rosen,
researching >from Golovanevsk: Sholim and Anna Silberstein and their son
Jacob David Silberstein (1856 - November 22, 1922), and Louis and Bertha
Silberstein and their daughter Mary Silberstein (1857 - March 12, 1926),
a.k.a. Miriam, Mamtsi, Manche


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Researching Korostyshev, Zhitomir, Tarascha, Uman #ukraine

Steven J. Rosen
 

I too would like to know the name of your researcher


Re: Michuel #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 9/17/00 9:44:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
kingart@... writes:

<< I would guess male as my grandfather and his grandfather
were Michael, Hebrew name Michal. >>

Michuel is the "Galitzianer" pronunciation of the Hebrew Mikha'el,
i.e.Michael.

Michal and Michael are NOT identical; Michal is a feminine name.

Michael Bernet, New York


Searching for BLICKSTEIN and GITLER from Kamenets Podolsk #ukraine

Beryl Blickstein <beryl@...>
 

I'm delighted to be a member of the new Ukraine SIG. Thanks to everyone
concerned for your hard work in making this SIG a reality.

My Father Wolf (William) Blickstein was born in Kamenets Podolsk in
1896. His parents were Berko Yankelovitch Blickstein (described as a
Jewish merchant of the second guild (whatever that meant)and Ides
Volkovna Gitler. I am named for my grandfather Berko. I think Father was
named for his maternal grandfather Volka. Father attended the St. Paul
Realschule in Odessa >from 1915 to 1918; I have his Russian transcripts
from those years, as well as their official translation >from the New
York City Board of Education. Father emigrated in 1921, spending almost
two years waiting in Warsaw and Volomein, Poland to enter the US. It was
in Poland that he met my Mother Sonia Sasonkin. They both emigrated to
New York in 1923. Father sailed on the Belgic, Mother on the Polonia.
After some years in America, they were eventually married in New York.

Wolf had two older sisters: Adele (Udel) and Sorka (Sonia), whom
emigrated to the US, as did their Mother Ides; all three died in the
USA. Wolf's older brother Joseph lived in Chernovitz and then Paris,
from which he was deported to Auschwitz and killed by the Nazis.
I am looking for any information about the Blickstein or Gitler
families, and would appreciated any help >from my fellow Ukrainian
seekers.

Beryl Blickstein
Silver Spring MD


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Michuel #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 9/17/00 9:44:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
kingart@... writes:

<< I would guess male as my grandfather and his grandfather
were Michael, Hebrew name Michal. >>

Michuel is the "Galitzianer" pronunciation of the Hebrew Mikha'el,
i.e.Michael.

Michal and Michael are NOT identical; Michal is a feminine name.

Michael Bernet, New York


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Searching for BLICKSTEIN and GITLER from Kamenets Podolsk #ukraine

Beryl Blickstein <beryl@...>
 

I'm delighted to be a member of the new Ukraine SIG. Thanks to everyone
concerned for your hard work in making this SIG a reality.

My Father Wolf (William) Blickstein was born in Kamenets Podolsk in
1896. His parents were Berko Yankelovitch Blickstein (described as a
Jewish merchant of the second guild (whatever that meant)and Ides
Volkovna Gitler. I am named for my grandfather Berko. I think Father was
named for his maternal grandfather Volka. Father attended the St. Paul
Realschule in Odessa >from 1915 to 1918; I have his Russian transcripts
from those years, as well as their official translation >from the New
York City Board of Education. Father emigrated in 1921, spending almost
two years waiting in Warsaw and Volomein, Poland to enter the US. It was
in Poland that he met my Mother Sonia Sasonkin. They both emigrated to
New York in 1923. Father sailed on the Belgic, Mother on the Polonia.
After some years in America, they were eventually married in New York.

Wolf had two older sisters: Adele (Udel) and Sorka (Sonia), whom
emigrated to the US, as did their Mother Ides; all three died in the
USA. Wolf's older brother Joseph lived in Chernovitz and then Paris,
from which he was deported to Auschwitz and killed by the Nazis.
I am looking for any information about the Blickstein or Gitler
families, and would appreciated any help >from my fellow Ukrainian
seekers.

Beryl Blickstein
Silver Spring MD