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Advanced research in Slovakia? #hungary

twekkie@...

#83874

Hello,

After over twenty years of researching, I have finally located the records =
of a direct GUTTMANN relative who has remained elusive.  The birth records =
for Dorottya GUTTMANN (later changed to OLSANSKY) and Erzsebet GUTTMANN app=
ear in the Slovak State Archive Kosice, Birth Register as daughters of Pal =
GUTTMANN (my great-uncle) and Linka LIPNER.  Although my paternal great-gra=
ndfather (Samuel GUTTMANN) was >from Inacovce near Michalovce, I had been to=
ld that brother Pal lived near Kosice, and that three of his six children s=
urvived the Holocaust (including the two daughters mentioned above).

My question is where to go >from here?  Can I order original copies of the a=
bove mentioned birth records?  Is it possible to request further informatio=
n on this family >from archives in Kosice?  Is there a way to find contact i=
nformation for survivors of the holocaust?  Should I hire a professional re=
searcher?

Any information would be appreciated, and you can contact me directly at tw=
ekkie@hotmail.com.
Cheryl Etting

Researching:
GUTTMAN(N) (GOODMAN):  Michalovce (and vicinity), Kosice (and vicinity), In=
acovce, Stara Lubovna, Hanusfalva, Jakubjany
MOSKOWITZ:  Nedecz, Uzhhorod
FELDBRAND:  Michalovce and vicinity,=20
GROSSMAN:  Zborov, Gorlice, Kosice (and vicinity)
MILDER:  Pecujfalu, Kosice (and vicinity), Secovce, Uzhhorod
KORNGUT(H):  Stara Lubovna, Csircs
WASSERLAUF:  Csircs

H-SIG in Orlando #hungary

Vivian Kahn

#83875

All,

As some of you know, I am not planning to attend the conference in =
Orlando this summer. We are, however, hoping to have an H-SIG meeting =
and we are also sponsoring Dejan Suc, who will be presenting two =
sessions.  If you are planning to be at the conference, I am seeking a =
volunteer willing to serve as the H-SIG contact person.  Please contact =
me off-list if you can help.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, California
JewishGen Hungarian SIG Coordinator=

Hungary SIG #Hungary Advanced research in Slovakia? #hungary

twekkie@...

#404209

Hello,

After over twenty years of researching, I have finally located the records =
of a direct GUTTMANN relative who has remained elusive.  The birth records =
for Dorottya GUTTMANN (later changed to OLSANSKY) and Erzsebet GUTTMANN app=
ear in the Slovak State Archive Kosice, Birth Register as daughters of Pal =
GUTTMANN (my great-uncle) and Linka LIPNER.  Although my paternal great-gra=
ndfather (Samuel GUTTMANN) was >from Inacovce near Michalovce, I had been to=
ld that brother Pal lived near Kosice, and that three of his six children s=
urvived the Holocaust (including the two daughters mentioned above).

My question is where to go >from here?  Can I order original copies of the a=
bove mentioned birth records?  Is it possible to request further informatio=
n on this family >from archives in Kosice?  Is there a way to find contact i=
nformation for survivors of the holocaust?  Should I hire a professional re=
searcher?

Any information would be appreciated, and you can contact me directly at tw=
ekkie@hotmail.com.
Cheryl Etting

Researching:
GUTTMAN(N) (GOODMAN):  Michalovce (and vicinity), Kosice (and vicinity), In=
acovce, Stara Lubovna, Hanusfalva, Jakubjany
MOSKOWITZ:  Nedecz, Uzhhorod
FELDBRAND:  Michalovce and vicinity,=20
GROSSMAN:  Zborov, Gorlice, Kosice (and vicinity)
MILDER:  Pecujfalu, Kosice (and vicinity), Secovce, Uzhhorod
KORNGUT(H):  Stara Lubovna, Csircs
WASSERLAUF:  Csircs

Hungary SIG #Hungary H-SIG in Orlando #hungary

Vivian Kahn

#404210

All,

As some of you know, I am not planning to attend the conference in =
Orlando this summer. We are, however, hoping to have an H-SIG meeting =
and we are also sponsoring Dejan Suc, who will be presenting two =
sessions.  If you are planning to be at the conference, I am seeking a =
volunteer willing to serve as the H-SIG contact person.  Please contact =
me off-list if you can help.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, California
JewishGen Hungarian SIG Coordinator=

Oroklet.hu Burial Records #hungary

ezwieback@...

#83873

The way I get to the English version of the site is to go to 
www.oroklet.hu,  click on the Hungarian word "belepes" (Entry), the 
lower right part of the screen, then click on the words "English 
Version" in the next screen.

Regards,

Ed Zwieback

California

Hungary SIG #Hungary Oroklet.hu Burial Records #hungary

ezwieback@...

#404208

The way I get to the English version of the site is to go to 
www.oroklet.hu,  click on the Hungarian word "belepes" (Entry), the 
lower right part of the screen, then click on the words "English 
Version" in the next screen.

Regards,

Ed Zwieback

California

Cemetery in Tolcsva, Hungary #hungary

Larry Briggs

#83872

I am looking for information about Jewish cemeteries in Tolcsva,
Hungary. So far, I have found mention of only one in the town. It is
reported to have been vandalized over the years, in addition to being
overgrown >from time to time. I have found on Jewishgen 3 overview
photos of the cemetery and listings and photos of 7 graves. I have
been advised via Jewishgen discussion board that oroklet.hu has a
listing of 72 burials at this cemetery. Unfortunately, the English
verison of that site will not open (Server not found).

Larry Briggs

I am looking for any listing of those buried there. I believe my G
Grandfather, Moritz (Maurice) Gottfried, might be buried there.

Possibly other family members. (Moritz lived, and taught in a local
school, in Tolcsva and died there in 1886.) Our family emigrated in
1891.

from the Internaitonal Jewish Cemetery Project site, I found "LowryLajos and Peter Wirth completed survey on 9/12/91 using Wirth: itt van
elrejtve." Is anyone familiar with that work? Does it include cemetery
photos?

I will be visiting the Tolcsva / Sarospatak area in June and want to
prepare in advance.

Does anyone have information on

- Is there any listing of those buried in Tolcsva

- Does the survey referenced above include listings or photos of the graves?

- A current caretaker or knowledgable person in the area who might be
able to help, with contact information if available. One responder on
Jewishgen said he needed a key when he visited that cemetery a few
years ago.

- Local resource in the Sarospatak area we could contact for
assistance on 19th century life and history?

- Anyone have a listing, or a link to one, of the English listing of
the 72 burials on oroklet.hu ?

Thank you.

Larry Briggs

Hungary SIG #Hungary Cemetery in Tolcsva, Hungary #hungary

Larry Briggs

#404207

I am looking for information about Jewish cemeteries in Tolcsva,
Hungary. So far, I have found mention of only one in the town. It is
reported to have been vandalized over the years, in addition to being
overgrown >from time to time. I have found on Jewishgen 3 overview
photos of the cemetery and listings and photos of 7 graves. I have
been advised via Jewishgen discussion board that oroklet.hu has a
listing of 72 burials at this cemetery. Unfortunately, the English
verison of that site will not open (Server not found).

Larry Briggs

I am looking for any listing of those buried there. I believe my G
Grandfather, Moritz (Maurice) Gottfried, might be buried there.

Possibly other family members. (Moritz lived, and taught in a local
school, in Tolcsva and died there in 1886.) Our family emigrated in
1891.

from the Internaitonal Jewish Cemetery Project site, I found "LowryLajos and Peter Wirth completed survey on 9/12/91 using Wirth: itt van
elrejtve." Is anyone familiar with that work? Does it include cemetery
photos?

I will be visiting the Tolcsva / Sarospatak area in June and want to
prepare in advance.

Does anyone have information on

- Is there any listing of those buried in Tolcsva

- Does the survey referenced above include listings or photos of the graves?

- A current caretaker or knowledgable person in the area who might be
able to help, with contact information if available. One responder on
Jewishgen said he needed a key when he visited that cemetery a few
years ago.

- Local resource in the Sarospatak area we could contact for
assistance on 19th century life and history?

- Anyone have a listing, or a link to one, of the English listing of
the 72 burials on oroklet.hu ?

Thank you.

Larry Briggs

1869 Census Database #hungary

Vivian Kahn

#83871

All,

I have had a number of inquiries about finding family records >from the =
1869 Census in the FamilySearch images that are linked to this =
collection.

The link to the images is relatively new and there is, to my knowledge, =
no shortcut to finding the family listed in the JewishGen 1869 Hungarian =
Census database described at =
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Hungary/Census1869.htm .  There are =
some tips, however, that might make the search somewhat easier.

The 1869 Census was a general census of the population of the Kingdom of =
Hungary unlike the 1848 and others that appear in our records, which =
only enumerated Jews.  In most of the counties, Jewish records are =
interspersed with non-Jews but this is not the case for Saros.  A =
shortcut to the Saros Jewish records is to go to the list of =
municipalities in Saros megye at =
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G99V-V3R3?owc=3DQZ77-B8P%3A32=
3642201%3Fcc%3D1986782&wc=3DQZ77-BVC%3A323642201%2C323978501&cc=3D1986782 =
and look for the records identified as (Zsido). =20

To make this more confusing, what we identify as family =
numbers seem to bear no relationship that I can find to any =
number in the original records. I would be grateful to anyone who worked =
on indexing these records who can explain where the numbers originated.

When searching linked images, it is possible to reduce the time spent 
browsing by finding the Item # and determining about where the records for 
the relevant appear. The most recent query concerned a family >from Zboro, Saros. 
There are 489 images for Item #2 with a list of places in the beginning on image 95 at at the =
end on image 584.  If you go directly to Item #2 using link in the Saros =
records, the list is on Image 2.   The list shows that records >from =
Zboro mezo varos, the town name,  appear in the last third of the =
records starting at image 397 (304 using direct method). 

The records for each house covered at least 4 pages in the original =
census record or 3 images. The cover sheet lists the House Number and =
describes the building including number and type of rooms and whether =
the building included a shop, stable, etc.  The names, birth places, =
occupations, etc. appear on the second page of each house record. The =
last page, which is on the left side of the image with the cover sheet =
for the next house, includes interesting info about livestock and =
agricultural resources owned by the family. I was intrigued to learn =
that my great-grandfather had a store in the building where the family =
lived and quite a few farm animals, crops, etc.

Please contact me off list with comments and I'll post those of general interest.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA
JewishGen Hungarian SIG Coordinator
<vkahn@kmort.com>

Researching families including:
BAL/BERKOVICS/BERKOWITZ/ROTH/GROSZ. Avas Ujvaros, Hung./Orasu Nou, Rom.
KAHAN/JOSIPOVITS/DUB, Sziget, Kabolacsarda, Nagyvarad, Hung./Sighet, =
Ciarda, Oradea, Rom.
KOHN/Zbegnyo/ Zbehnov, Tarnoka/Trnavka, Slov.; Cleveland  =
LEFKOVITS/Kolbasa/Brezina, Slov.
MOSKOVITS/Honkocz, Szobranc, Osztro, Kassa, Hung./Chonkovce, Sobrance, =
Ostrov, Kosice, Slov., Nyiregyhaza, Hung. ELOVITS/Hornya/Horna, Slov.
NEUMANN/Szeretva, Kereszt, Hung./Sobrance, Kristy, Stretavka, =
Michalovce, Slov. POLACSEK/Hunfalu, Hung./Huncovce, Slov.
SPITZ/Nikolsburg/Mikulov, Prosnitz/Prostejov, Moravia/Czech. =
Kismarton/Eisenstadt, Hung./Aus., Hunfalu/Huncovce.=

Hungary SIG #Hungary 1869 Census Database #hungary

Vivian Kahn

#404206

All,

I have had a number of inquiries about finding family records >from the =
1869 Census in the FamilySearch images that are linked to this =
collection.

The link to the images is relatively new and there is, to my knowledge, =
no shortcut to finding the family listed in the JewishGen 1869 Hungarian =
Census database described at =
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Hungary/Census1869.htm .  There are =
some tips, however, that might make the search somewhat easier.

The 1869 Census was a general census of the population of the Kingdom of =
Hungary unlike the 1848 and others that appear in our records, which =
only enumerated Jews.  In most of the counties, Jewish records are =
interspersed with non-Jews but this is not the case for Saros.  A =
shortcut to the Saros Jewish records is to go to the list of =
municipalities in Saros megye at =
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G99V-V3R3?owc=3DQZ77-B8P%3A32=
3642201%3Fcc%3D1986782&wc=3DQZ77-BVC%3A323642201%2C323978501&cc=3D1986782 =
and look for the records identified as (Zsido). =20

To make this more confusing, what we identify as family =
numbers seem to bear no relationship that I can find to any =
number in the original records. I would be grateful to anyone who worked =
on indexing these records who can explain where the numbers originated.

When searching linked images, it is possible to reduce the time spent 
browsing by finding the Item # and determining about where the records for 
the relevant appear. The most recent query concerned a family >from Zboro, Saros. 
There are 489 images for Item #2 with a list of places in the beginning on image 95 at at the =
end on image 584.  If you go directly to Item #2 using link in the Saros =
records, the list is on Image 2.   The list shows that records >from =
Zboro mezo varos, the town name,  appear in the last third of the =
records starting at image 397 (304 using direct method). 

The records for each house covered at least 4 pages in the original =
census record or 3 images. The cover sheet lists the House Number and =
describes the building including number and type of rooms and whether =
the building included a shop, stable, etc.  The names, birth places, =
occupations, etc. appear on the second page of each house record. The =
last page, which is on the left side of the image with the cover sheet =
for the next house, includes interesting info about livestock and =
agricultural resources owned by the family. I was intrigued to learn =
that my great-grandfather had a store in the building where the family =
lived and quite a few farm animals, crops, etc.

Please contact me off list with comments and I'll post those of general interest.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA
JewishGen Hungarian SIG Coordinator
<vkahn@kmort.com>

Researching families including:
BAL/BERKOVICS/BERKOWITZ/ROTH/GROSZ. Avas Ujvaros, Hung./Orasu Nou, Rom.
KAHAN/JOSIPOVITS/DUB, Sziget, Kabolacsarda, Nagyvarad, Hung./Sighet, =
Ciarda, Oradea, Rom.
KOHN/Zbegnyo/ Zbehnov, Tarnoka/Trnavka, Slov.; Cleveland  =
LEFKOVITS/Kolbasa/Brezina, Slov.
MOSKOVITS/Honkocz, Szobranc, Osztro, Kassa, Hung./Chonkovce, Sobrance, =
Ostrov, Kosice, Slov., Nyiregyhaza, Hung. ELOVITS/Hornya/Horna, Slov.
NEUMANN/Szeretva, Kereszt, Hung./Sobrance, Kristy, Stretavka, =
Michalovce, Slov. POLACSEK/Hunfalu, Hung./Huncovce, Slov.
SPITZ/Nikolsburg/Mikulov, Prosnitz/Prostejov, Moravia/Czech. =
Kismarton/Eisenstadt, Hung./Aus., Hunfalu/Huncovce.=

Yizkor Book Project, February 2017 #hungary