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Contacting the Lezajsk Civil Records Office (Urzad Stanu Cywilnego [USC]) #galicia #poland #records

Moses Jefferson
 

Hello Genners,

I’ve been desperately trying to make contact with the Lezajsk Civil Records Office (know as: Urzad Stanu Cywilnego, or USC) via email. As you might already know, they are the local office(s) which keep vital records less than 100 years.

However, as many emails I’ve sent (from different accounts) I get zero response. This is the email address I wrote to (provided by their website): usc@... 

My question is, has anyone (recently) successfully obtained records from the Lezajsk USC office? If so, how did you order them, via post? email? or hire a researcher? Do they respond via telephone?

Any piece of advice would be appreciated.

Moses Jefferson 
Genealogist & Researcher of Jewish History
London, UK


Re: Mark of the Mediterranean #sephardic

Stepak
 

One of my sons had this, and we have no known Sephardi connection. The doctor said it may be a connection to the Crimean Peninsula. We have no known connection there either. It was blueish in color and eventually disappeared.

Ellen Stepak

Tel Aviv, Israel


Re: Births records for Memel (Klaipėda)from September 1874? #lithuania #records

Joyaa Antares
 

Hi Paul,

Yes - that's the correct dataset.   I think that Russ's comment "However, Memel birth records include some that were recorded on a delayed basis, and there are, in fact, half a dozen such delayed records for 1874 births" would explain the inclusion of my "Anna MARKUS".  She and two of her siblings (they were born in 1867, 1870 and 1873) each had their births registered in 1890.

Joyaa ANTARES
Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia

 


Re: Births records for Memel (Klaipėda)from September 1874? #lithuania #records

Joyaa Antares
 

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 08:47 PM, Russ Maurer wrote:
There are Memel directories for a few years (none particularly close to 1885). They can be accessed at http://www.bork-on-line.de/adressbuecher/start.htm.

Paul - in addition to Russ's tip, you could look here - https://www.online-ofb.de/famlist.php?ofb=memelland&b=A&lang=de (I don't read German and change the language to English).
Cheers, Joyaa Antares
Gold Coast, Queensland, AUSTRALIA


Re: Posthumous baptisms and privacy concerns #general

Irene Newhouse
 

If memory serves me correctly, the LDS promised not to baptize people who have no relationship to their 'sponsor'.  However, the reason the Family History Library exists at all is because LDS members have a religious duty to baptize their ancestors - it's how their souls can go to Heaven from a spiritual waiting room if they lived before there was an LDS church. They have not stopped doing that. It may be some people are still secretly baptizing people unrelated to them, but it's more likely baptisms you come across have been recorded by descendants who converted to LDS. 
 
Irene Newhouse
Kihei HI USA


Details of family photo from Tilsit, East Prussia #photographs #germany

Fig, Lorraine
 

Can anyone provide insights into this photo of my great-grandparents taken in Tilsit, East Prussia perhaps around 1885?   I know almost nothing about my great-grandfather.  My questions are as follows:
1.  What do you think are the approximate ages of the two people?
2.  Judging by clothing, what date could this be?  Is there anything unusual in the details of their clothing? 
3.  Are there any helpful details or clues in the photo that would lead to identification? 
4.  Is there any significance in their choice of photographer "L Peters"?

Thank you so much for your help.
Lorraine Fig Shapiro
Ann Arbor, MI


Re: Births records for Memel (Klaipėda)from September 1874? #lithuania #records

Russ Maurer
 

I do not know when, if ever, there was a census in East Prussia.

There are Memel directories for a few years (none particularly close to 1885). They can be accessed at http://www.bork-on-line.de/adressbuecher/start.htm.

Russ Maurer
Klaipeda district coordinator, LitvakSIG


Need translation of German death record. #translation

Lois Sernoff
 

I've posted a vital record in German for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address:88490

https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM88490

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page or to me directly at jglois@...

Thank you very much.

Lois Sernoff 

Wynnewood, PA


ViewMate translation requests Russian #translation

Debbie Terman
 

Hello all,

I've posted 5 vital records in Russian for which I need translation help. 

They can be found on ViewMate:





Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.
Debbie Cohn Terman
Newton MA USA


Re: Jewish Geneology Society of Colorado presents: Finding Original Jewish Surnames and Towns: Our Ancestors Left Clues #events

malka_f1
 

Hallo Noreen
 
I've just checked and 10am Mountain Time is indeed 5pm England (GMT).
 
Regards
Malka Flekier
London, England


Looking for Pesach LANGSAM connection to my LANGSAM branch #galicia #dna #names

NTalbot
 

I am looking for help finding the connection between Pesach LANGSAM (1748-Nov. 02,1820) from Jawornik, father of Tzvi Elimelech SPIRA (Dynover Rebbe), g-grandfather of Tzvi Elimelich SPIRA, (Bluzhover Rebbe), and my branch of LANGSAMS--Mendel LANGSAM, father of Ephraim (1835-1941) and Leibish (aka: Yehuda Aryeh Leib), also known as the "H" lines. Are there any male LANGSAMs out there who have had their y-DNA tested?

Suzan Wynne and Moishe Miller have created many LANGSAM trees, but so far I have not found the connection between these two branches. 

Any help would be appreciated
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NTalbot
Brooklyn, NY
ninaitalbot@...

NEGER, SPINRAD (Dynow, Poland)
TOLPEN (Suchostaw, Poland/Sukhostav, Ukraine)
DISTENFELD, ADLER, WILDER (Kamionka Strumilowa, Poland/Kamianka-Buzka, Ukraine)


ViewMate translation request - Russian- Second Request #russia #poland #translation

Greg Tuckman
 

Hello everyone,
This is a second request for some help with extractions of data from Russian vital records.  Any and all help is appreciated.

1.  Birth record of Cyrla GUTERMAN:  https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jewishgen.org%2Fviewmate%2Fviewmateview.asp%3Fkey%3DVM88338&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ce935c7f4dccc4187ddb808d88449820c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637404798526368843%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=rxjwCTAEEP1jRBrogosVrltQuWVrVIaIhgKJqHS4j5g%3D&reserved=0

2.  Birth record of Tema GUTERMAN:  https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jewishgen.org%2Fviewmate%2Fviewmateview.asp%3Fkey%3DVM88339&data=04%7C01%7C%7C3cdb8d3833084648b25208d884498601%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637404798592908587%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=MdmCwK5tsX0Kvoj4kkxIHSxDpAI9prdzXFDnTok0BVM%3D&reserved=0

3.  Death record of Izrael Hersz GUTERMAN:  https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jewishgen.org%2Fviewmate%2Fviewmateview.asp%3Fkey%3DVM88340&data=04%7C01%7C%7C80e1a777d5fa473a142008d884498a07%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637404798659625253%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=%2BG4qC%2FIJ8e7MHsxvf6gkT%2FcFwnb3Ubqp2aANohhJxys%3D&reserved=0

4.  Death record of Symcha Beniamin GUTERMAN:  https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jewishgen.org%2Fviewmate%2Fviewmateview.asp%3Fkey%3DVM88341&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cb4cf73bf1fa34473756708d884498e27%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637404798729409570%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=%2BDybEXbHDqJ7ZSrp4Jy3LcDD5Qv5LavAHTfyaJWXGrE%3D&reserved=0

5.  Death record of Tema GUTERMAN:  https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jewishgen.org%2Fviewmate%2Fviewmateview.asp%3Fkey%3DVM88342&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cbf0a55f1f5184a8a813608d884499182%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637404798785887757%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=zstyCUoJh6rjiLCrtJpryhjuwVXpOUtO9OJy7uNowR8%3D&reserved=0

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.
Greg Tuckman
Phoenix, Arizona USA


Re: Social Security Index Question #usa #records

Laurie Sosna
 

I believe that Hudia is indexed in the record for Lena Millmond, (maiden name Nemeth).

In Hudia's Ancestry listing, there two links, to spouse and child. When you click on the link for her child (Lena) you'll see Lena's full record.
With both her parents names.
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/10988214:60901?indiv=try&viewrecord=1&r=an

Laurie Sosna
San Francisco, CA


Re: Mark of the Mediterranean #sephardic

Dan Nussbaum
 

The Mongolian Spot is found on many dark skinned people. It was first found in people of East Asian origin hence the name. Since Sephardim and Mizrahim tend to be darker skinned it is more common among them.

Daniel Nussbaum II, M.D., FAAP
Retired Developmental Pediatrician
Rochester, New York
yekkey@...
 
Tone can be misinterpreted in email. Please read my words with warmth, kindness, and good intentions.

Searching for;
Nussbaum, Katzenstein, Mannheimer and Goldschmidt; Rhina, Raboldshausen and Bad Hersfeld, Germany
Teplitzky, Bendersky and Kaszkiet; Uman, Ukraine
Rosenthal and S(c)henk(el)man; Zinkov, Ukraine
Bild and Kashlevsky; anywhere


Re: Rothenberg family tree #general

Dan Rottenberg
 

Joe,
If your family was named Rothenberger and came from Alsace, it's almost certain that they're descended from R. Meir of Rothenburg.

Check out this tree and article (in French):
http://judaisme.sdv.fr/genealog/rothenb/rothen1.htm

Good luck!
Dan Rottenberg
dan@...


Re: FW: From Glory to Dispersion - The Sephardi Lisbona family from Damascus #sephardic #events

Molly Staub
 

I’ve been told my ancestors emigrated from Harasta, suburb of Damascus, to my ancestral town of Dumbraven, Russia in the 19th century. They were given the surname Harast, which later became Charest, Arost. I don’t know what surnames they had in Syria. I have two given names Abraham and Markil. Is there some way to learn about the family? Many thanks,

Molly Arost Staub
(staubmolly@..., 561-571-6699)


Social Security Index Question #usa #records

Sharon Taylor
 

I found a Social Security Index entry for my ggm, Hudia Unger, on Ancestry.com. She died in 1937 and I don't think she ever became a US citizen, so I was surprised, but based on the entry at Ancestry, I sent in a form to Social Security asking for the information in her file. I just received a letter back (it took 3 months) saying that they had no record of Hudia Unger. I'm confused. I thought the entry on Ancestry meant that she had filed something with the Social Security Administration. Can anyone enlighten me?

Thanks!

Sharon Taylor
Oreland, PA
Searching for NEMETH, and UNGER, Stanislawow region of Galicia


Re: Births records for Memel (Klaipėda)from September 1874? #lithuania #records

Max Heffler
 

Paul,

Another great resource for Memel research is Dr. Ruth Leiserowitz: Ruth Leiserowitz (ruth@...)

 

 

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Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] Births records for Memel (Klaipėda)from September 1874? #lithuania #records

 

Thanks! Now I have looked at ALD there are some hints that need confirming. I have a possible name for the father. 

 

Was there a census in 1885? My ancestor would have been 11 years old in 1885 so still living at home in Memel. If there are census records, I can find the names of other members of his family living at the same address and so confirm the name of the father.

 

Thanks again,

 

Paul ST GEORGE

 

Researching SCHIMMELFENNIG, SCHIMMELPFENNIG, Memel


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Max Heffler
Houston, TX
max@...
HEFFLER(Ukraine)/TIRAS(Poland)/WASSEMAN(Lithuania)/MOORE(Poland)/ZLOT(Lithuania)
GORENSTEIN(Ukraine)/FLEISCHMAN(Latvia)/GOLDEN(Lithuania)


Re: Posthumous baptisms and privacy concerns #general

janicemsj@...
 

As I understand it, to some degree, there have been efforts to keep it from being publicly known.  That has actually become part of the problem, however.

As mentioned by the previous poster, the church has promised to stop performing posthumous baptisms.  From what I have been told, this promise has been made more than once.  And the result was that the practice was not stopped but was made private, or at least the attempt was made.  But somehow -- and how I do not know -- it was discovered that the practice was continuing, and then the uproar began again.  And the cycle has repeated multiple times.

On a practical level, we all should assume that the practice will continue whether we see it or not, because as I wrote in my earlier post, it is part of the LDS religion.  Church members are not going to stop performing posthumous baptisms, because they believe it is the only way for other people's souls to have the possibility of being saved.  Period.  It's going to keep happening.

Don't take this the wrong way, but you should also assume that every person who appears in FamilyTree or in any record on FamilySearch has had a posthumous baptism performed for him.  Again, there is nothing we an do to prevent this.

Since it is beyond our abilities to control the actions of others in this situation, we must look to control our own actions and reactions.  So I will repeat what I wrote earlier.

If you don't believe it, it doesn't matter.

I am not offended if someone wishes me merry Christmas, because that person is simply passing on his version of good wishes.  I am not offended to know that my ancestors and collateral relatives whom I find in records on FamilySearch have had posthumous baptisms performed, because the people who did so sincerely believe that it will be good for them, a different version of good wishes, if you will.  It changes nothing that happened in my family members' lives or anything about them.  I consider it to be ineffective, but not offensive.

And I agree with what Yale Zussman said in his message.  Whatever beliefs you have, and whichever version of God/the Almighty you believe in, if your beliefs are the correct ones, then "He understands that this practice cannot be held against the soul of any deceased person."

I claim no special knowledge of whether any particular religion has the "correct" beliefs, and I hope you understand I am not trying to argue whether Jews or LDS members might be the group that has it right.  I am not arrogant enough to believe I have such special insight that I managed to pick the right side.

Janice M. Sellers
Ancestral Discoveries
Gresham, Oregon

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 6:21 AM YaleZuss via groups.jewishgen.org <YaleZuss=aol.com@...> wrote:
> Making posthumous baptisms public is the root of the problem.  Mormons should understand why non-Mormons consider this practice offensive and refrain from it, but if they feel religiously obligated to pursue it, I see no reason why they should insist on making it public: That offends for no credible reason. 
> I don't have a direct line to the Almighty, but I suspect He understands that this practice cannot be held against the soul of any deceased person.

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Everything turns out all right in the end. If it's not all right, it's not the end.


Re: Births records for Memel (Klaipėda)from September 1874? #lithuania #records

devicesofwonder@...
 

Thanks! Now I have looked at ALD there are some hints that need confirming. I have a possible name for the father. 
 
Was there a census in 1885? My ancestor would have been 11 years old in 1885 so still living at home in Memel. If there are census records, I can find the names of other members of his family living at the same address and so confirm the name of the father.
 
Thanks again,
 
Paul ST GEORGE
 
Researching SCHIMMELFENNIG, SCHIMMELPFENNIG, Memel

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