Re: Genealogy Programs #general

Dahn Cukier

I have been using Brother's Keeper. I do not know how long,
but I purchased it soon after the Pentium chip came out.
I like that I can download or print-to-pdf and link the files to
the person. There are many ways to document and add notes.
The program supports names in Hebrew, also various other names
can be entered in dedicated fields.
I do not like the tree chart output since the demise of the
dot-matrix printer. I use GED export to use a different
For support I write an email and the developer gets back to me
usually within a day. The program and database are completely
I have not tried most of the reports, but there are many.
For Hebrew, there are 2 option changes. If you have
jpg or png files and not a portrait, create a blank jpg in
Paint and put that as the first jpg file.
Dani Cukier
When you start to read readin,
how do you know the fellow that
wrote the readin,
wrote the readin right?

Festus Hagen
Long Branch Saloon
Dodge City, Kansas

On Tuesday, February 23, 2021, 6:12:25 PM GMT+2, Fred Selss via <> wrote:
I am looking to purchase a new Genealogy program compatible with Windows 10. I would like it to be able to make Family Trees for 8 to 10 generations with both ancestors and descendants. Making Family Group Charts is also needed. I also would like a place to record notes. And I would like it to show relationships. And be capable of putting children in order of age. And scan for duplicates and errors. A plus if it allows recording of same sex marriages. I don’t want to post on the Internet. A plus also if it can create a book from the information. Ease of use is a must. Can anyone recommend one they are happy with. Please reply privately. Thanks
Fred Seiss

Re: Yiddish/ Hebrew Name equivalent of Hungarian/ Romanian names #names #hungary #romania

The Hebrew names I found in my research:

Ferencz for Efraim אפרים

Sari (or Sali) for Sarah שרה

The name Ze'ev זאב or Wolf in Yiddish as Michelle Farkas (Farkas is Wolf in Hungarian) wrote is more commonly associated with Vilmos.

Remember that any Jewish given name can be associate with these names.

Jacob Shayzaf

JGS Toronto. Free Virtual Meeting. Using Facial Recognition Tools to Identify Unnamed Ancestors for Genealogical Research. Scott Genzer. Sunday, 28 February 2021, at 10:30 a.m. ET. #events #general

Jerry Scherer


Using Facial Recognition Tools to Identify
Unnamed Ancestors for Genealogical Research



Speaker: Scott Genzer


Virtual Meeting: Join from Home

Sunday, 28 February 2021, at 10:30 a.m.

Photographs have always been a genealogical challenge because, unlike more conventional sources such as vital records, they do not impart clear data. Most often we simply attach the pictures to our trees and then leave them there. However in early 2019 Genzer developed a new technique that shows how to implement facial recognition via artificial intelligence/machine-learning methods to identify unknown people in photographs using large libraries of passport-like images currently available online. Facial recognition enables genealogists to use never before available technology to generate new clues with statistical probabilities from old photos.  His presentation will be an elaboration and detailed demonstration of this technique previously published in the fall issue of Avotaynu [PDF copy of the article will be available).

Scott Genzer is an amateur genealogist who has spent two decades researching his family tree, particularly his paternal branch from Mielec, Poland. During the day, he is a data scientist at RapidMiner, a software company based in Boston. Scott lives in Norwich, Vermont, with his wife and two daughters.

To register, please go to

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big city weddings in Orthodox families #lithuania #warsaw #general #hungary

Elise Miller

We have all seen the (unfortunate) outdoor wedding in the Fiddler shtetl. But what about Orthodox families in big, sophisticated cities of the late 19th and early 20th centuries?
Since women could not come down from the galleries to be brides, where did the families hold the actual ceremonies? I am assuming the receptions were held at home, or for those who could afford it, in rented rooms or at restaurants. Or did Orthodox synagogues have social halls then? 

I'm writing family stories based on my gen research, and am focused on Nagyvarad, Hungary (today Oradea, Romania); also cities in Poland and Lithuania. 

If you know where weddings and receptions took place, please reply!  Thank you!
Elise Miller
San Mateo, CA

Pikeliai/Pikeln #lithuania #photographs

Richard Gross

Dear All

I have three laminated photos of the 500th anniversary of Pikeliai, 1430-1930 with some, perhaps all, of the residents under a large banner. The bottom half of a Magen David is clear at the top in middle.

I have two other photos, one showing 13 children seated in front of a building site with men working with wood mainly and the other, rather dark, showing seated children in small field in front of some houses.

I have two photocopies of a message in possibly Yiddish.

I have a family group of an unknown family also a photocopy someone sent me in 1998.

I sent copies to Deena Berton in Boston who was CEO of the Pikeliai research team a long time ago.

I was also in touch with Mike Nathanson but have lost the correspondence and his contact details.
If anyone would like these I’m happy to post them on as I have no use for them. They were sent to me in April 1998 by Jacobo Klip in Mexico City whose letter I also have. 

Best regards
Beulah Gross in Australia

Re: Genealogy Programs #general

Arlene Beare

I need to add that the programme from My history site is called Family Historian  not my history but the good tech support i receive comes from buying it from the my-history site rather than direct from the Family Historian site.  I do not have experience of the support from the Family Historian site.
Arlene Beare UK

Re: Old lineages #general

Lee Jaffe

I admit I'm not sure of the original question since the proposition that we can't trace our families further than our grandparents seems patently absurd.  I have records for all of my great-grandparents, in several cases have reliable records for 2x great-grandparents, some 3rd and 4th great-grandparents, and in two cases can go back 9 generations.

On my Sztejsapir line I can go back to my 7th great-grandfather, Jankiel Roterozen 1720-1790 (Rajgrod, Poland). I have his death record through JRI-Poland and records for both my 6th great-grandparents.  On a different branch of that line, I have records for another 7th great-grandfather Zelik Ludwinowski c.1705-? (Suwalki, Poland).

I have a few branches were I haven't managed go back past my great-grandparents.  But that doesn't mean the records aren't there, and I couldn't document those branches to earlier generations; I just haven't connected the right dots yet (I hope).  

Though I haven't found anyone born before 1700, last year thought I'd traced my Ludwinowski line back 20 generations to the 12th century.  One evening Ancestry prompted me with "potential father" and "potential mother" links for my 3x great-grandmother Slawa Ludwinowska.  I naively accepted the new records and was peppered with even more hints leading back to 12th c. English-Norman nobility, via a 15th c. Portuguese slave, two famous rabbis in exile in London, and several prominent Sephardi families in Amsterdam, with connections to Fez, Constantinople and Venice.  The histories of the Sarfati and da Crasto families – among others – are well-documented – through extensive records in Amsterdam, combined with Inquisition records and other historical accounts.  If you can link your tree to one of their members you will suddenly have a very, very old lineage indeed. 

However, in my case, the link to my 3x great-grandmother was specious.  After more careful investigation and consultations with other Ludwinowski descendants, I learned the link was based on an unsupported record in Geni, since corrected.  (Given how pervasive Geni records are, it's disappointing how easily mistakes can be entered there and how unreliable the means of correcting them is.)  The reputed 4x great-grandmother turned out to be a fictional character, the product of a conspiracy tract trying to prove that most of the leading Kabbalists of the early modern period were secret Catholics.  A couple of the people in the account are famous, but some key characters never appear in any historical records and/or the key events (marriages and births) can't be documented.  Examining available records, there are at least two significant gaps in the narrative which decisively uncouple my family from that "old lineage."

The history of the the earlier families with well-documented lineages is real.  But the link to my Ludwinowski ancestors is extremely doubtful.  That doesn't keep the majority of online Ludwinowski family trees I've surveyed from including those lineages.  There will be Ludwinowski heirs who believe they are descended from a Norman baron whose daughter married an exiled Portuguese diplomat whose son fathered a child with his Portuguese Jewish slave who became the matriarch of a prominent Sephardi family in Amsterdam.  After all, before the Internet and digitized records, what was genealogy but family lore supported, at best, with a handwritten family tree?   But now we need DNA and contemporary reports before we can say the woman we called "mom" is really our mother.  

My point (and I do have one) is that some very old Jewish lineages can be documented.  Let's keep in mind we are all descend from old families: we just can't all document them past a certain point.  It seems to me that the gap for many of us takes place in the Eastern European communities before 1800, sometimes earlier, where records for Jews weren't made or didn't survive or still haven't surfaced.  But there are some Jewish communities with good records of very old lineages and some of them are our ancestors.

Lee Jaffe, Santa Cruz
Brodowicz > Ludwinowska > Braun > Stzejnsapir > Jaffe
Wizajny, Suwalki > Philadelphia, PA

Re: OZ newspaper 1915 puzzle Town/area MLAVA and MOLAVA? #russia #hungary #romania


Wasn't sure if I could post the link or copy, but it was a newspaper report on German attacks, 'Mlava and Molava throwing back the enemy across the Danube', I wasn't sure if there had been a Molava town/area/place at one point that I wasn't aware of, or a possible mistake in the 1915 report?

Thank you
Mandy Molava
Researching Brest Belaurus Galacia Russia Poland and much more!

Isaac LAZAROFF- London, U.K./ Connecticut, U.S.A/ Jerusalem-end of 19th cent. #usa #unitedkingdom

Yonatan Ben-Ari

According to an interview given to my ultra-orthodox journalist in
Jerusalem by his Jerusalem born grandmother, her grandmother ,Gittle
ABRAMOWITZ, a widow married a British widower with 10
the name of Isaac LAZAROFF. They had lived in the (then) new and
"fancy" neighborhood of Meah Shearim in Jerusalem.

According to another family source (no records for the following or
the above) Gittle , a widow with 4 children, on her way from Europe to
New England (New Haven) did mary a British gentleman (either in the UK
or USA). In this version of the story no mention of the gentleman's
marital status. Nor is the gentleman's name mentioned.

Dates of the above marriage are not noted but Gittle arrived in the
states somewhere between 1870-1890 . In both family sources there are
strong hints to their "comfortable" financial status. By coincidence
(or not !?) there is till today a Jewellry firm in New Haven LAZAROFF
but in my correspondence with them the above story did not sound
familiar to them.

I had been in touch with the Jewish Gen. societies of Conneticut with
little results. As mentioned above, their are no official records
regarding any of the above except for an autobiography of Gittle's
deceased great grandaughter and an interview with an elderly woman
(Gittle's grandaughter) who had never left Jerusalem her whole life.

I would be happy to hear from anyone who could verify the above story.


Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem

Re: BJALIN family from Sweden #canada


For the Swedish part of the family, go to    (Anbytarforum )     there is an English page there and enthusiastic locals will give you all info from the available church records.
Peter Weinstock

MyHeritage To be Acquired by Francisco Partners #announcements #dna

Jan Meisels Allen



Recently there have been a spate of acquisitions announced in the genealogy and DNA world is no different. reported that is being acquired by Francisco Partners for close to $600 million.  According to the TechCrunch report, “A spokesperson for MyHeritage confirmed the deal to TechCrunch over the phone but not the price.”


The press release from Francisco Partners may be read at:  It says, “that Francisco Partners, a leading global investment firm that specializes in partnering with technology businesses, has signed a definitive agreement to acquire the company.”


The press release does not mention price.


Gilad Japhet, the founder and CEO of MyHeritage said in part, “This move will enable us to reach new heights, invest more resources in creating greater value for our users and to reach a larger audience. We’re incredibly excited for this next chapter in our company’s evolution.” “By leveraging our operational expertise, market resources and strong industry networks, we believe Francisco Partners is uniquely positioned to help MyHeritage accelerate its vision for growth.


Some of the company's current investors will be re-investing into the company alongside Francisco Partners, including HP Beteiligungs GmbH, Yuval Rakavy, the company's founder and CEO Gilad Japhet, and independent investor Gigi Levy.


I have no affiliation with MyHeritage or Francisco Partners and am reporting this solely for the interest of the reader.


Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee








Isaac LAZAROFF-United Kingdom turn of 19-20 cent. #unitedkingdom

Yonatan Ben-Ari

According to an interview given to a Jerusalem Charedi (ultra-orthox)
by his grandmother, her grandmother, Gittle ABRAMOWITZ ( a widow,)
married an Isaac LAZAROFF, a Britsh widower with 10 children.
According to the interview, they were both "comfortable" (financially
and lived in the new and fancy neighborhood of Meah Shearim,
inJerusalem. (This was at the beginning of the 20th cent.).

There are no records for this marriage and according to family stories
it could have taken place in England or the USA (New Haven,Ct.).
According to another family source the story is related that on her
way from Europe to New Haven Gittle did marry a British gentleman but
in this version, the fact that he was a widower with ten children was
omitted as was her residence, with him, in Jerusalem. Though both
sources hint to a "comfortable" standard of living.

As our family, (my cousin, the above orthodox journalist) have no
official records for the above I would be happy if the above stories
sound familiar to anyone.
In the past I had been in touch with the Jewish Gen. societies in
Connecticut. By coincidence ( or not !?) there is a Jewellry firm in
New Haven (where Gittle lived) by the name of LAZAROFF but in a
correspondence with the owners today the above story did not sound
familiar to them.


Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem

The above story

Re: Genealogy Programs #general

Sally Bruckheimer

"The other is a programme called Myhistory. whick likewise does everything you need.  Ease of use is excellent and intuitive.
I think the charting function in MyHistory is far superior to FTM "

There is a company,, but there is no such program(me). Do you mean Family Historian, which seems to be their program, or something else?

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ

Re: Early Jewish Cemeteries in New Haven? #usa


There were several (I lived and worked there for over 30 years.)  It might help to know whether the person belonged to either a burial society or a specific shul.

Here is a link that may help you.
Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC

Re: Kra family in Paris #france #general


Hi all,

I thought I would share here a summary of what I found that can be of general interest :
- Salli Kra (born Krah) was born 20 March 1853 in Frankfurt, Germany. He was the 4th child.
- From what I see in the original (handwritten) records, both his parents seem to have come from the town of Norden near Hanover.
- The father, Joseph Jacob, was a teacher in the jewish community

Wikipedia page on Simon (Salli) Kra :
Notes on Lucien Kra, son of Simon Kra :

I've also privately sent Joyce more complete data.

Best Regards from Paris
Daniel Mayer

Re: BJALIN family from Sweden #canada

The Becker's Email

It is not clear exactly what information you are looking for.  Ancestors of Esther or descendants or both including extended relations such as Hattie Shapira.

Esther married 3 Sept. 1907.  There is an very long article on the wedding in the 4 Sept. 1907 Winnipeg Tribune. source:
Prior to 1907, Esther is living in the household of David Ripstein. 
On the 1901 Census (Ripstine):  Ester M Rjelskoskri age 18, b. Sweden 7 Mar. 1882 and Isaac Rjelskoskri age 17 b. Sweden 19 Sept. 1893.  It is possible the "R" is a "B".  Both Ester and Isaac immigrated 1900.
On the 1906 census (Ripstein):  Ester Beyalen age 23 b. Sweden, imm. 1897.  Max Buyalen age 22 b. Sweden, imm. 1898.

I also found a US declaration of intent for Sarah Bjalin, wife of Sam in San Francisco, California.  This has the marriage date in Gotenberg for her and Sam and also gives his DOB/place and lists children and where born. Ancestry has a 22 Oct. 1899 marriage record for Moses Sandal Bjalogarsky to Sarah Schwartzberg in Gotenberg.  IN addition, there are birth records for some children as well as passenger lists.  Sometimes Bjalogarsky doesn't appear as the surname in some of the records, but Josefson.  Worth checking out records on Ancestry for Sweden.

There are a lot of directions you could go to research this family.  I suggest you start w/ which is free.  Many public libraries have subscriptions to Ancestry and you should check your local  library.  I found some records on familysearch and some on Ancesty.  Ancestry seems more likely to have originals in addition to transcriptions but that's  not always the case.

Johanna Becker
Newport, RI, USA

Re: LDS original #general

Vivian Kahn

Which of the JewishGen databases includes the record? The Hungarian database includes LDS (i.e. FamilySearch) film and volume numbers for records indexed from the LDS collection. Many of these are available on line at Please contact me off-list if you have questions.

Vivian Kahn
JewishGen Hungarian Research Director

Re: Were there contacts between JOINT DISTRIBUTION COMMITEE and UNRRAH following WW2 #germany #general

Linda Cantor

Go to and then 'contact us' and ask them. (JDC = Joint Distribution Committee).  

Linda Cantor

Date of recorded information on website #poland


I came across some newly added information at yesterday under the heading below.  I would like to know the approximate year of this information.  It has to be between 1891, as it lists one of my relatives born in that year, and 1904, since it lists another who came to the US at the end of 1904.  Also, would females be listed here as well?  Two of my male relatives are noted as married, but their wives do not appear on the chart.  The information is noted as being last updated Dec. 2020.  Thanks for any help you can give me on defining the year.

The title of the chart is:
Lomza Area Army Draft, Books of Residence and Notary Records

Lisa Glowatz Bracco

Re: Yiddish/ Hebrew Name equivalent of Hungarian/ Romanian names #names #hungary #romania

Judy Petersen

Hi Rachel,
     The names could literally be anything, because there was no rule linking secular to Hebrew/Yiddish/religious names.  In addition to the ones Michele mentions, these are some names I've come across while transcribing:

Sari: Sarah, Chaya Sarah, Serl, Saraleh
Betti: Breindel, Beila, Buna
Ferencz: Peretz, Falk, Feivel

     I recently came across a Jenő whose Hebrew name was Baruch.  Why?  Fortunately the record gave both the mother and the father's Hebrew names.  The mother's father's Hebrew name was Baruch!  So Jenő's Hebrew name was for his maternal grandfather!


                Judy Petersen
                Fort Collins, CO

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