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Re: Divorce Among Jews in Poland #poland

Adelle Gloger
 

My grandmother was married in Tarnapol  in 1890. I found the marriage record on JRI-Poland.
I had been told that she divorced after about one year. She remarried around 1900.  I thought that if she remarried, then perhaps her first husband also remarried. When I searched JRI-Poland for him, I discovered that there was a notation regarding the divorce on his marriage to the second wife.
 It was interesting to note that  the stated reason for the divorce was not the reason I had been given by my family. So, if you are looking for divorce information, do a search for the spouse of the first marriage.

 Adelle Weintraub Gloger
 Cleveland, Ohio
 agloger@...

Re: searching Austro-Hungary for family #austria-czech #hungary

Deanna Levinsky
 

Have you tried telephone directories for Amherst and surrounding towns. There are at least four other colleges/ universities in the area. Maybe he transferred to another school 
Deanna Levinsky 
Long Island New York 
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ViewMate translation request - Polish #poland #translation

Carole Bass
 

I've posted a vital record in Polish for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM80687
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.

Carole Bass

Eastern PA Naturalization #usa

Eric Ellman
 

Friends,

I cannot find my wife's grandfather's naturalization record by searching on his name or a Soundex. Yet, I do have what I am pretty sure is the date of naturalization and the document number.  Is there a way to search on naturalizations from the Eastern District of Pennsylvania for No. 320893, Sept. 24, 1912, Abram or Abraham SNADER, arriving NYC 1902, approx. 1 year old at arriva.

Eric J. Ellman
N. Bethesda, MD

Viewmate Translation Request - Russian #poland #russia

Greg Tuckman
 

Hello everyone,
I've posted 5 vital records in Russian for which I need translations.  They are on ViewMate at the following addresses...
1.  Birth Record of Szya Heszel ROTMAN:  https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jewishgen.org%2Fviewmate%2Fviewmateview.asp%3Fkey%3DVM80761&data=02%7C01%7C%7C0ccdfe6ef7dc4773aceb08d7f5275710%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637247421617984587&sdata=EYscm0nFWosadl%2BUjhKPr7gEQpXAk42oKGitXggmO14%3D&reserved=0

2.  Birth Record of Abraham WAJCENFELD:  https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jewishgen.org%2Fviewmate%2Fviewmateview.asp%3Fkey%3DVM80762&data=02%7C01%7C%7C7400583c958e4bfb9adb08d7f5275b01%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637247421680664010&sdata=ELa%2BxfWYfPzGLfdAn4P%2B%2FZUJJ2HkOw5NvE7vJie26rQ%3D&reserved=0

3.  Death Record of Unnamed KORNSZTEJN:  https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jewishgen.org%2Fviewmate%2Fviewmateview.asp%3Fkey%3DVM80763&data=02%7C01%7C%7C103529e71ad64a0fb13d08d7f5275ed6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637247421744832779&sdata=31t2vm6nS6jwOI7fSvavcYgCxXX1fqrKEBllI6rBrJo%3D&reserved=0

4.  Birth Record of Izrael Dawid ZALCGHENDLER:  https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jewishgen.org%2Fviewmate%2Fviewmateview.asp%3Fkey%3DVM80764&data=02%7C01%7C%7C2a3a4b5449c24a92a3c908d7f5276299%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637247421808757553&sdata=eXvCz%2FbZUKUcESGvMha0oOX%2FX3m8Z13Ell9%2B0UrSImA%3D&reserved=0

5.  Marriage Record of Moszek STERNBLIC and Dwojra Laja PIZEM:  https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jewishgen.org%2Fviewmate%2Fviewmateview.asp%3Fkey%3DVM80765&data=02%7C01%7C%7C80ad79689866481820d108d7f52766ed%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637247421880992056&sdata=p%2FVX9txhsIt6Soy04wedeQLDAXK0vPA04iGR0ugXIS0%3D&reserved=0
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.
Greg Tuckman
Phoenix, Arizona

JGSLI Virtual Meeting on Sunday May 17 at 2 PM Eastern time #events

Bonnie Birns
 

Please join the Jewish Genealogy Society of Long Island for a virtual program on

Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 2:00 pm Eastern time

Life Lessons from the Dead

Speaker:  Alec Ferretti

Alec Ferretti has spent over a decade researching his Jewish family history, which spans all of Eastern Europe. He will talk about the life lessons, research skills, and new friends he's picked up along his way, and the strategies he’s learned, to discover genealogical wonders where few records exist.

Alec is a Dual Masters Student at New York and Long Island Universities, pursuing degrees in both Archival Studies and Library Science. He also works as a genealogist with the Wells Fargo Family & Business History Center, specializing in Italian and Jewish research. He is the president of the New York Genealogy & Technology Group and recently joined the board of Reclaim the Records, a nonprofit that seeks to restore public access to genealogical documents.

This program is free and open to the public, but preregistration is required.

We will be using the Zoom meeting platform.

When: May 17, 2020 01:30 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)

Register in advance for this meeting:

https://nyu.zoom.us/meeting/register/tJYqcOutqzgtEtzR3ylpDdUKYlY4oySVuudb

After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing information about joining the meeting.

The meeting will start at 2 PM, however you will be able to join Zoom starting at 1:30 PM.

I look forward to "seeing" you all then! Please share with your friends!

Bonnie Birns

President, JGSLI

president@...

Re: searching Austro-Hungary for family #austria-czech #hungary

Molly Staub
 

I wrote previously asking for suggestions on reaching Dr. Ervin Staub from Hungary, who was on the faculty of University of Massachusetts, Amherst. I am hoping he might be related to my husband's Staub family from Hungary. Thanks for  the many responses I received .Unfortunately, none has connected. Some were not working, others just did not get a response. I assume that anyone with an edu in the address still reads his/her mail even though school might be closed. Here are the addresses I contacted (there were multiple suggestions of most): estaub@...; umass.edu/peacepsychology/ervin-staub; ervinstaub.phd. If anyone has a different address, I would love to hear from you. Molly Arost Stab, Boca Raton, FL

Divorce Among Jews in Poland #poland

Stanley Diamond
 

Dear friends,
 
Fay Bussgang (below) commented about the Brzeziny records which she is extracting
for the JRI-Poland database.
 
Thus, it is timely to point out a feature of searching via the JRI-Poland.org database,
the ability to do an all data search.   Thus by doing an "any field" search for "divorce"
you will see results pointing to 3,248 divorce entries in the 6.1 million JRI-Poland record
entry database.
 
Try your own text search for unusual references at https://jri-poland.org/jriplweb.htm
 
Read more about the mission and activity of JRI-Poland here:
 
Stanley Diamond, M.S.M.  (Montreal, 514-484-0100)
Executive Director, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, Inc.
 
 
Fay Bussgang wrote:
 
I have just been indexing records from Brzeziny for the early 1920s, and have
come across several divorce records that are tucked in with the marriage records
 to which they refer.
 
I am not sure that was true of all towns or all years, but that is how it was done in
Brzeziny at a certain time.
 
 
 
 


Need translators preferably volunteers #germany #translation

Ellen Lukas Kahn
 

JewishGen Viewmate request for transcribers

Having researched my ancestors for over 40 years (shortly after my father's death), and being a first generation American whose ancestors all were born and lived in Germany,  I am in need of finding a few  volunteers to help me transcribe some of the old German documents, letters, etc. from my ancestors (some almost 200 years old). 

Some of these are official documents, some are letters handwritten, and others are in German script, but most are pt which are very difficult for me to even read.  

I live near Chicago and would love to know of someone who lives nearby, but would very much welcome the help of any long distance transcriber.  Please advise me whether you can transcribe either German script, handwritten letters/postcards, or just typed documents.

Ellen Lukas Kahn
Homewood, IL

ellnkahn@...

Seeking descendants of Alexander Rothschild and his wife Rebecca born Hubert #usa #germany

Jack Hubert
 

I am trying to update a part of the Hubert family history that I have very little information on..
Alexander Rothschild born in Bavaria in 1816. His wife Rebecca Hubert born in the village
of Cronheim Bavaria Germany in 1819. Rebecca was the daughter of an ancestor named
Salomon Hirsch Hubert born in 1780 in Cronheim .
Alexander and Rebecca were married in the 1840's in Hartford Conn. Alexander died in 1899.
Rebecca died in 1894. Both are buried in Zion Hill Cemetery Hartford Conn. The information I
have shows the following children from that marriage.
Elias Rothschild born 1850 in Hartford Conn. Passed in 1914.
Samuel Rothschild born 1852 in Hartford Conn. Passed 1889.
Henrietta Rothschild born 1854 in Hartford Conn. Known as Etta. Passed 1918.
Caroline Rothschild born 1858 in Hartford Conn. Known as Carrie. Passed 1919
William Benjamin Rothschild .born 1860 in Hartford Conn. Passed 1904.
There is a possibility of another child Adelaide Rothschild born in 1842 in Hartford Conn. Passed 1861.
If any of the members of Jewish Gen has information that can help me update that part of the Hubert
family history it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you Jack Hubert.

Re: Hessen Gatermann database #germany

Roger Lustig
 

I should have been more specific when giving the following link for
users to find images while the links in the Hessen Gatermann database
are broken:

I wrote: In the meantime, note that the images can be accessed via
https://www.lagis-hessen.de/en/subjects/index/sn/pstr.

The search page is for town names. The results of that search should
include, on the right-hand side, an entry for "Standesregister der
jüdischen Gemeinden (1583 ff.)". Click on that one.

The result should be a list of links to the various available items. For
instance, for the town of Gudensberg, the results are:

Geburtsregister der Juden von Gudensberg, 1875-1901 (HHStAW Abt. 365 Nr.
385)
Geburtsregister der Juden von Gudensberg, 1824-1874 (HHStAW Abt. 365 Nr.
384)
Trauregister der Juden von Gudensberg, 1825-1900 (HHStAW Abt. 365 Nr. 386)
Sterberegister der Juden von Gudensberg, 1824-1900 (HHStAW Abt. 365 Nr. 387)

Now, in the Hessen Gatermann search results at JewishGen, next to the
link there is a call number of the form:

HHStAW 365/xxx/ppp/sss

where x, p and i represent digits.

x represents the item number in the collection.

p represents the page/image number within the item.

s represents the serial number of the entry, which often appears in the
image.

For example, a marriage from the town of Gudensberg might have the call
number:

HHStAW 365/386/36/131

The xxx number (386 in this case) is the item number, which points to
the 3rd item listed above. Click on the appropriate item and then
navigate to the indicated page (36 here).

Complicated? Indeed! That's why we're trying to get the links in our
database fixed as soon as possible.

Thanks for your patience,

Roger Lustig

Princeton, NJ

research coordinator, GerSIG

Re: Divorce Among Jews in Poland #poland

sbloom@...
 

My 4th great grandfather, a rabbi in central Poland in the mid 19th century, was clearly divorced from his first wife. Though I never found divorce records or reference to the divorce, town records clearly show that he had many children with a second wife (given that he was a rabbi, I assume they were absolutely religiously married and that he had a "get" from his first wife).  Also, I did find a death record for the first wife, well after the period of the second marriage and the births of the children with the second wife. She reverted to her maiden name in public records.

Oddly, one of his sons and some of his grandsons were also divorced. I don't know whether this was because the concept of divorce was more acceptable or whether this family may have had a wider rift with other families in the town. 

Then again, in some of my other branches I also have over 100 years of records, and not one divorce.

Chae-Ran Freeze wrote an excellent book on Jewish marriage and divorce in the Russian Empire, and though the book didn't include much of "Congress Poland," a number of the reasons for divorce may have been  common over a wider geography (everything from religious differences to falling out of love).  

Re: Seeking WEISS family history in Hungary / Romania #hungary #romania

Richard Steinberg
 

My mother's family came from Torda and Kolosvar and one was married to a Weiss, Samuel Weiss (1882-1961) who settled in Philadelphia. He was married to Minnie Hermina Rothstein from Torda. They had 3 children. Ernest Weiss, Benjamin Weiss, and Esther Weiss Goldberg.

Re: Divorce Among Jews in Poland #poland

Dan Oren
 

As someone who has been taking oral histories for 43 years, I think better ways to understand a statement like "nobody got divorced" are "nobody I knew of got divorced" or "I never heard of anybody getting divorced" or "I was told that nobody got divorced." The speaker is usually being honest, to the best of their capacity, but they are not omniscient. Examination of written records or obtaining other oral histories often documents that blanket memories using a term like "nobody" might well be based on general patterns and customs, but are not absolutely true.

Munz (Muncz) Hungary #hungary

George Muenz
 

Hello. I have been fortunate in the past 3 years to find family on both sides that I did not know existed. Three years ago, I knew absolutely nothing. Now. I have met/connected with family in Israel, Hungary, Sweden, Germany, Argentina, and the USA. 

My Great Grandparents on my Fathers side were Mihaly Munz and Netti Schwartz. They apparently had 17 children and I have been able to find the names of 11 of them. I also discovered that we are descended from the famous Rabbi Moses Munz of Obuda. 

I am hoping to find more Munz (Muncz) family. It was not that common a surname in Hungary. Thank you. naftalim@...

Re: Name change to Gen(n), Gandz, or Gin on immigration to the U.K. c.1902 #names #ukraine #unitedkingdom

Jill Whitehead
 

My late mother born Phyllis Brown (ex Brin)(1917-1995)  in Edinburgh had a school friend called Rose Schulman who married a Scottish Michael Gandz. They moved to - by coincidence - Gants Hill in Essex after the war. They had two children Julian and Melvyn , and in the mid 1960's I was taken by my mother to the wedding of, I think, Julian. We lost touch I am afraid. But it is possible the sons are still in the area, if you wished to search for them.

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK

Re: Benjamin Shapin family #names

David Oseas
 

Paul,

I find it useful to use this search pattern -- search for a child's given name, together with both parents' given names, omitting the surname -- to find families where the surname may be recorded or transcribed incorrectly.

Also note that "Poland" during its history ceased to exist, so adding Poland as a country may be counter-productive.  The FamilySearch engine in particular will eliminate possible matches if you include data that doesn't match.  When using FamilySearch, it is best to enter the minimal amount of data, then filter to reduce the number of hits.

In this case, searching FamilySearch in NY for a person named Shirley (leaving surname blank) with parents Ben & Sarah turns up this 1930 census entry for Shirley Shapin:  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7DZ-L4V .  It appears to be the family you are interested in, though the older son's name is different.  FamilySearch then suggests this entry for the family for the 1940 census:  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KQ5N-N4P .  The surname was recorded as "Shapiro" by the enumerator, but, again appears to be the same family, with the addition of a younger child named George.

Regards,
David Oseas

Researching:
HYMAN/HEYMAN/HEIMOWITS/CHAJMOVITS: Zemplen-Dobra, Hungary > New York
KLEIN: Satoraljaujhely (Ujhely), Hungary > New York > Los Angeles
KRONOWITH:
Hungary > New York
OSEAS/OSIAS/OSIASI/OZIAS: Iasi, Romania > Chicago > Milwaukee > Los Angeles
SCHECHTER/SHEKTER: Kishinev, Bessarabia > New York  
SHERMAN: Iasi, Romania > New York > Los Angeles
STRUL:  Iasi, Romania > Haifa, Israel
WICHMAN: Syczkowo (Bobruisk), Belarus > Milwaukee > Los Angeles

Re: Papa/Devecser/Travel to Hungary and Request about Carei/Nagykaroly #hungary

Schonfeld.family@...
 

The Nagy Karoly (Carei, RO) Holocaust memorial was indexed by H-SIG:

https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Hungary/HolocaustMemorials.htm

I remember it had pictures of the name plaques, but I can't find this database in the new search interface.

Jacob Shayzaf, Israel

WEISZ / FRANK  Nagy Karoly

Re: SZKLARKIEWICZ or similar, STEIGLITZ and similar, and ELLENBOGEN. 1800s #poland

Jill Whitehead
 

Hi Barry,

I have spent the weekend sorting out years and years of old papers and come across some more Ellenbogen information by chance. 

1) Simon Hill - who is married to a relation of mine - wrote an article for Landsman some years ago (I have the final draft of the article, and would say it was about 10 years ago). It is called "More on early Rajgrod migration  to Great Britain". He refers to the Gorfunkle family - which is how Simon's wife and I are connected as two of my maternal Guttenbergs married two Gorfunkles. They went from Rajgrod to Liverpool and Manchester in the 1860's. Jacob Gorfunkle's sister Rachel came with her husband David Ellenbogen and their son Selig and his wife. They are all in the 1871 Liverpool Census. 

He also mentions other families with similar names to yours but anglicised names. Samuel Gorfunkle (son of Rachel's brother Mendel) married Syma Sierowicz (which is a bit like Szklarkiewicz) in 1865 in Rajgrod and they came to Liverpool in the late 1860's. His household included his brother in law Hirsch Ellenbogen. The 1871 Liverpool Census shows  Selig Ellenbogen b Rajgrod 1845 in Everton - he was a glazier in Everton like my paternal great grandfather Joseph Servian. Also in the household were a family called Steinsapir which is a bit like Steiglitz. Jacon Steinsapir was born in Rajgrod in 1840.  They set up in business together as Ellenbogen and Stonsper, glass dealers.

Also mentioned is Isaac Ellenbogen b Rajgrod 1855 son of David and Rachel. He married Hinda daughter of Rabbi Isaac Leventon (this family was also connected to  my mother's Brown family of Edinburgh via Hinda's mother Rosa Greenberg). Isaac was a picture and furniture dealer in Liverpool (again like my father's family and many other Jews in Liverpool). 

Also of interest is www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co.uk/merseysidealiens/aliensbirth.htm which gives the details of and naturalisation dates for the Liverpool Jewish families of the time. You can find the following Ellenbogens: Isaac, Myer, Hyman, and Jacob, 

Jill Whitehead, nee Servian
Sutton, Surrey, UK

Re: Papa/Devecser/Travel to Hungary and Request about Carei/Nagykaroly #hungary

shia10@...
 

Where can I email the photos?