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Number next to my Great Grandfather's name on the ship manifest ? #general

loren greenberg
 

Hello,
What is the significance of the number written next to my Great Grandfather's name
on the ship manifest of 1911?
2-475862-10/13/30 or 31

Thank you,

Loren Greenberg
Los Angeles,California

Volpiansky - Balbieriskis and Kaunas, Lithuania
Milner-Smiltene, Latvia
Abelow-Meretz, Lithuania
Golub(ofsky), Perlow(sky)-Vasilishki, Ostryna Belarus
Shafir,Melamed,Agazim - Starokonstantinov, Ukraine


Re: Is the first name Marx a shortened version of Mordecai #names

Catherine Youngren
 


My great grandfather was also Mordechai in Poland was was known as Marx in England.


Re: military notbook #bessarabia

Iryna
 

I researched the history of my great-grandfather in World War 1. He served in the 131st Tiraspol regiment. I selected all the Jewish names of this regiment.


Re: Is the first name Marx a shortened version of Mordecai #names

Glazer Family
 

This subject is probably going to end being another of those "whipping a
dead horse" subjects.
In any research I have done, it is common to see Mordecai, Modcha, Mottel,
Markus, Marcus, Max used
for the same person. This is common both in my own family as well in any of
the "unknown soldiers" we have
researched in the Central Zionist Archives here in Jerusalem. Shabbat
Shalom.

Stephen Glazer, Researcher, "Giving a Face to the Fallen", Jerusalem
(also searching: POTASIEWICZ, GOLD, SZYFF from Czestochowa & Radomsk;
KUKUK/COOK, BRANDFELD/BRONDFIELD, WIESENFELD, HOLLANDER from Mielce, Dabrowa
Tarnowska
Tarnow and vicinity and New Jersey/New York; GLASER and variations & ALLWEIL
from Przymyslany, Bobrka; KROCZ/KROCH/KROACH from Vladimer Volensk
and Szjar and vicinity in Volyn & Toronto; TEITEL from Ustilla and vicinity)


Re: Technical problem with Latvia database #latvia

Stephen Weinstein
 

The Latvian State Historical Archives, which runs the Raduraksti site, has changed it and none of the links that were indexed will work.

The website to look at the books of records has been changed to https://raduraksti.arhivi.lv/
Registration page is now https://raduraksti.arhivi.lv/signup
Jewish records are at https://raduraksti.arhivi.lv/collections/1:4:13:2022

In theory, you should be able to navigate from there to the book you want.

If that doesn't work, there is a way to bypass the website's interface and go directly to a JPG of the page of records you want.  Anyone who needs to do this, send me your e-mail address so I can send you instructions for how to find the link for the page you want in a private message.  (I'm not posting it here because there's a question of whether accessing the JPG directly without going through the registration process is close enough to hacking that the instructions are not allowed to be posted on the discussion group.)

Rather than fixing the links to Raduraksti, the Latvia SIG's plan is to replace them with links to see the same records on familysearch.org; if you wish to participate in this project, please e-mail Paul Cheifitz <paulcheifitz@...> and Marion Werle <canadagenes@...> and copy Avraham Groll <agroll@...>.

Stephen Weinstein
stephenweinstein@...


Re: 𝗔𝗡𝗦𝗖𝗛𝗘𝗥 [𝗮𝗸𝗮 𝗔𝗻𝘀𝘇𝗲𝗿], 𝗔𝗯𝗿𝗮𝗺 (𝗯. 𝟭𝟴𝟰𝟱) , 𝗠𝗮𝗿𝗶𝗮𝗺𝗽𝗼𝗹, 𝗦𝘂𝘄𝗮𝗹𝗸𝗶 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗖𝗵𝗶𝗰𝗮𝗴𝗼 #lithuania #poland

Barbara Kenzer
 

I agree, i think this is a lot of money to pay. I am looking for my grandparents and great grandparents from Suwalki, but not paying that kind of money.
Barbara Kenzer 


Re: Seeking Fritz BUKOFZER, film producer- Paris > Switzerland #france

Rodney Eisfelder
 

David,
and I mean David Lewin (not David Selig). When you receive the message digest, each message is followed by a line of links. Click on "View/Reply Online". This will bring up the message in your browser. Below the message will be the button "View All X Messages in Topic". That will display the entire thread, and then you can see whether you are contributing to the topic, or just adding to the noise. When you reply, please don't quote the entire message. That just adds to the noise.

To everyone else, I apologize for adding to the noise on this occasion.

Rodney Eisfelder
Melbourne, Australia


Re: Family Tree Maker Exposes Data on 60,000 Users #announcements #general

David Dubin
 

I sent the information to the developer of https://haveibeenpwned.com/ and and secure@...


Re: military notbook #bessarabia

erikagottfried53@...
 

Would it be accurate to describe this document as a Russian Imperial Military Passport, Yefim?

And to clarify for me: the pages with the Argentinian stamp are not a document separate from the military notebook but are actually part of the notebook itself, Adrian? 
--
Erika Gottfried
Teaneck, New Jersey


Re: Is the first name Marx a shortened version of Mordecai #names

Annette Weiss
 

My grandfather's name was Mordecai in Poland and he changed it to Max when he came to the US.  My brother was named after him,and his name is Marc, 


Re: Deportation from U.S. ports back to Eastern Europe #general

Yefim Kogan
 

Anne,  that was always an interesting question for me.

I should tell you that there were one more reason, Jews returned back and that is they did not like it here...

Here is an interest article on this topic by Doctor Jonathan Sarna we have it at our Bessarabia website  (with permission of Dr. Sarna):
"The Myth of No Return: Jewish Return Migration to Eastern Europe, 1881-1914"

https://www.jewishgen.org/bessarabia/files/JewishHistory/MythofNoReturnFromSarna.pdf

On a personal note, my great grandfather  Shloyme was one who did not like, because he had to work here in a shoe factory on Shabbat.  Returned back  and died from hunger during WWII.

Yefim Kogan


Re: From Austria to Venezuela #general

Pieter Hoekstra
 

Speaking from experience I can say it is not likely you will find a ship sailing from Rotterdam to Caracas unless it was part of the Shell fleet of tankers. You should look for a ship from Netherlands to US where the person would most likely have caught a plane to Caracas...maybe not in 1939 but certainly from late 1940s onward, but travel to Venezuela would likely have been from a US city.
FamilySearch holds aircraft manifests for travel from Venezuela in this period.

--

Pieter Hoekstra  <sold@...>


New Holocaust Database Set - Reichsanzeiger (Revoked Citizenship and Property Seizures) 1933-1945 #poland #JewishGenUpdates #announcements #holocaust #germany

Nolan Altman
 

JewishGen is pleased to announce that this new significant data set has been added to Holocaust Database (https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Holocaust/)

Beginning in 1933, the German Government revoked German citizenship for tens of thousands of German Jews as well as persons seen as political opponents, e.g. communists.  This affected not only persons resident in Germany, but also persons who had left Germany and were resident in other countries.  It took similar action against persons resident in parts of Czechoslovakia which had been annexed.  Less well known was the revocation of business licenses or even seizure of firms which had been owned by Jews or political opponents.  These public actions, totaling nearly 90,000 names of persons and firms, mixed together, were regularly published in the Reichsanzeiger, the German equivalent of the Federal Registry.

 

In 1985 a compilation of the citizenship revocations was published in book form by K.G. Saur, Die Ausbürgerung deutscher Staatsangehoriger 1933-1945.  (The Expatriation of German Citizens, 1933-1945).  However, persons resident outside Germany as well as firms whose names/assets had been seized were not included. The nature/location of property/assets which had been seized was not identified. 

 

The information contained in this database came from Herbert Birett, a German researcher.  The original data can be found at https://tinyurl.com/y7w4ue6j and reformatting was done by JewishGen volunteers.  To learn more about this data set, please see https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/holocaust/RevokedGermanCitizenship.html

You can search these records, along with all of JewishGen’s records from the Unified Search page at https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/all/ Alternatively, to search the Holocaust Database specifically, please start at https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Holocaust/  You will also find a listing of all the component databases below the search grid.  By entering search terms in the grid, you will search all component databases at once.

Nolan Altman

Holocaust Database Coordinator

July 2020


Sephardic Names; Follow-up to Dr. Sack's program on Jewish Names #names #sephardic

Lee Jaffe
 

I'd like to ask for help understanding practices or conventions or ... among Portuguese Jews, both in Portugal before and during the Inquisition, and then in diaspora as they settled (?) in new countries.  I've looked at some guides on JewishGen and they have helped a bit but haven't addressed some specific situations I've encountered with records I'm researching.  I probably should post this on the Sephardic forum but we were told we could send follow-up questions to Dr. Sack's program yesterday here.  

For instance, I notice that in most cases, children are given a second name indicating their father.  For instance, if the father is Aron, the children would be named Yschak Aron, Gracia Aron, David Aron ... etc.  Aside from wondering if this was an Iberian or Jewish practice (as in Isaac ben Aron, Hannah bat Aron), I also want to know if this was a consistent-enough practice to be a reliable indication of parentage.  For instance, where I've come across a record for a family where the father is named Aron but the entry for the daughter is Gracia Samuel, I've questioned the accuracy of the record.  The trees where I'm finding these records often contradict each other about critical details like this and it would help to have some sort of litmus test that might sort out the more-likely from the less-likely options. 

By the way, I've learned that the Spanish Gracia is the equivalent of Hannah, which brings me to another question.  There is a confusing mix of Spanish and Hebrew given names, sometimes shifting from case to case.  I hypothesize that this is partly the result of whether the source was a civil or communal record.  I also suspect – though I haven't found much info on the subject – that Hebrew names were suppressed while under the thumb of the Inquisition in Spain or Portugal and revived later in safety of the Netherlands or other sanctuary country.  Did Jews who converted, either "voluntarily" or forcibly under the Inquisition, take new given names?  And, if so, would they be Christian/Spanish versions of their Jewish names (Hannah > Gracia)?  Understanding this better may help with determining whether two records for somewhat similar names represents two different people or one person who was know by more than one name.  

Finally is the question of family names.  I've noticed in many records I've encountered recently that offspring will inherit or use a different form of the family name than the parents, at least in more formal records.  For instance, a handwritten 18th C. Netherlands marriage document for Lea Abraham Isaac Namias de Crasto and Aron Samuel Sarfait da Pina lists the groom's name as "Aron von Samuel Sarfati alias Aron de Pina Junior."  I haven't encountered many documents of this sort yet in my searches and I would guess that it is rare to find such which establish definitively that the two names refer to the same person.  More often I'm left with associating (or dismissing) records based on vaguer name similarities matched with dates of birth/death and close relatives.  Any advice about practices for Sephardic family names from generation to generation would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you for your help,

Lee Jaffe
JAFFE > Suchowola
STEIN/SZTENSAPIER > Bialystok
JOROFF/KOSHKIN > Snovsk
SCHWARTZ > Perth Amboy


Re: Help with Bessarabia Birth Index #bessarabia

Mike Grossman
 

Thanks for the advice, I found it helpful. I was looking for Abram BERKOVICH/BERKOWITZ born in 1878 in Bessarabia. I found the JewishGen record, but had trouble finding the image (not 75, as given in the record). I went to the film, found the start of 1878, and then searched for a male (thanks Google Translate) with a date combination of 14 (Christian) and 23 (Jewish) early (February/Adar 1). It was image 35/1048. I think I found him, but because I don't read Cyrllic nor Hebrew script, I'm not sure. I would appreciate some validation. Thank you.
Stay safe,
MikeG


Kupiskis, Lithuania #lithuania #announcements #events

Linda Cantor
 

The Kupiskis SIG will be holding a virtual BOF meeting at the IAJGS conference on Thursday, August 13 at 5:15 pm - 6:15 pm, Eastern time (NY time). [Its 10:15 pm in the UK, 1:30 am in Israel (oy), and 8:30 am the next day in Australia] and I am trying to make sure that everyone knows about it.

Please email me at lincanfamily@... if you have not heard from me in a private email.  I am trying to contact all Kupishokers for whom I do not have current email addresses.  Thank you.

Linda Cantor


Zhitomir family names #names

Molly Staub
 

# ukraine

 

Zhitomir name

 

Dear Genners, I've been searching for my maternal great grandmother's maiden name for decades, with no results. She was known in the family as Riva the Booba (meaning midwife). She married my ggf Yishea/Ovshiy Berensohn and they then lived in Krasnoye, Podolia Gubernia. Their son, my gf Shmuel/Sam Berenson, was born there in 1880. I know she delivered Harry Loigman(1892), Ida Loigman (1893), and Victor Loigman (1904) in Krasnoye. Now, there was a large group in Philadelphia, the Gershman family, who attended all our family functions. I never knew how we were related. They came from Zhitomir and the farthest back I've gotten was Leib Gershman. Also, in Pennsylvania, my aunt Rive/Rebecca Berenson was born in 1915, so I assume she was named after my ggm Riva --who presumably died between 1905 (when an older sibling was born) and my aunt's birth. Does anyone who is researching Zhitomir find any of this familiar?
Many thanks, Molly Arost Staub 

Searching
BERENSON (Krasnoye, Ukraine)
GROFFMAN/GRAFFMAN (Ukraine)
AROST/HARAST/JAROST (Bessarabia)
SHTOFMAN (Bessarabia)

 

 

 

Molly Arost Staub, M. A. in Journalism

E-mail staubmolly@...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Molly Staub

E-mail staubmolly@...

 


Re: Removing initial I from names #names

bobmalakoff@...
 

No, she calls her husband Jared:)


Re: DNA and Gedmatch #dna

 

Gedmatch is still down


Re: Other names for Yitzchak? #names

bobmalakoff@...
 

Yitzhak (יצחק) is also the common form for Isaac in Yiddish.  Although, the tombstone of my grandfather Isadore  says אייזיק בר יעקב Aizek bar Yakov, Isaac son of Jacob. The Aizek is another Yiddish name for Isaac.  Bar is Aramaic for son of and Yakov is Hebrew and Yiddish for Jacob. When I was growing up, my other grandfather told me that my Jewish name was Yizhak Isaac.  I thought he was translating Yitzhak into English.  I realized much later that he was following a Jewish naming convention where Jewish names consisted of a Hebrew name followed by an equivalent Yiddish name.  My father's Jewish name was Ariah Leib where Ariah is Hebrew for lion and Leib is Yiddish for lion.
Bob Malakoff
Pittsburgh, PA