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ViewMate translation request - Polish #general

Paul Blumstein
 

I've posted a vital record in Polish for which I need a translation. It
is on ViewMate at the following address ...
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM52697
Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

This is a note written in 1919 on the reverse side of a passport.

Thank you very much.

Paul Blumstein
RESEARCHING: BLUMSTEIN, KRET (Poland); LOVINGER (Kosice, Slovakia),
EIDELHOCH (Munckachevo, Ukraine), LEITER (Buchach) & Sekzer (Russia)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate translation request - Polish #general

Paul Blumstein
 

I've posted a vital record in Polish for which I need a translation. It
is on ViewMate at the following address ...
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM52697
Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

This is a note written in 1919 on the reverse side of a passport.

Thank you very much.

Paul Blumstein
RESEARCHING: BLUMSTEIN, KRET (Poland); LOVINGER (Kosice, Slovakia),
EIDELHOCH (Munckachevo, Ukraine), LEITER (Buchach) & Sekzer (Russia)


Need records for Pasternak family, Bobruysk, & negotiations with the Tsar #general

Julianne Goodman <jugo@...>
 

Dear JewishGen Discussion Community,

I am a junior at the University of Pennsylvania and working on paper
for a class on the Pasternak family. I am investigating a family rumor
that my great-great-great grandfather was a part of the famous
Pasternak family and negotiated with the Tsar to reduce the severity
of the Jewish pogroms. I have a family census record >from Bobruysk in
1902 for Yosel Nelinson and Leya Pasternak. Through this paper, I hope
to better understand the the validity of my family history and
folklore in Russia / Belarus during this time since other families
have similar stories

I would appreciate any knowledge in the following areas:
1) any records / rumors about negotiations with the Tsar / Interior Minister
2) any records about the Pasternak family >from Bobruysk

Thank you in advance for all your help.

Best,
Julianne Goodman
Philadelphia, PA

MODERATOR: Private responses only, please


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Need records for Pasternak family, Bobruysk, & negotiations with the Tsar #general

Julianne Goodman <jugo@...>
 

Dear JewishGen Discussion Community,

I am a junior at the University of Pennsylvania and working on paper
for a class on the Pasternak family. I am investigating a family rumor
that my great-great-great grandfather was a part of the famous
Pasternak family and negotiated with the Tsar to reduce the severity
of the Jewish pogroms. I have a family census record >from Bobruysk in
1902 for Yosel Nelinson and Leya Pasternak. Through this paper, I hope
to better understand the the validity of my family history and
folklore in Russia / Belarus during this time since other families
have similar stories

I would appreciate any knowledge in the following areas:
1) any records / rumors about negotiations with the Tsar / Interior Minister
2) any records about the Pasternak family >from Bobruysk

Thank you in advance for all your help.

Best,
Julianne Goodman
Philadelphia, PA

MODERATOR: Private responses only, please


Re: Experts Responding to Newbies Questions #general

A. E. Jordan
 

From: Joseph Fibel
.... I should like to suggest to the very knowledgeable
and accomplished and expert posters, that in response to the queries
of the less experienced, they make specific hints or suggestions on
how to proceed but not do the work.


I know the moderators said this is not a discussion and I am not opening it up
other to say sometimes I think it is better to give people the knowledge to do
searches so that they can use that information to do more searching and have
greater skills in the future, but sometimes the only way to help is to give a
response with the results.

The reason I am writing however is to repeat an old plea .... for newbies and
skilled researchers alike ..... when you send a post to the list please lead with
your question or problem and not the family history. It makes it easier for us to
scan the questions and figure out where we can help and I am sure you will get
better responses.

If I can not see the question and have to sort through a lengthy set of background
... I am bad ... I just move on to the next post and I am sure other people do too.

Please start requests for help with here's my problem or here's what I need or ....
and then if it helps here's background I have on this issue. Please be clear if
you know a geographic location to state it up front as well as relevant dates. For
example:

I am stuck on I can not find when Harry married Sally -- they lived in New York
City and I know the marriage had to be between these dates ....

In the date census Harry is single living at address blank but I can not find Sally
in the census but I know in date they had their first child.

Then you can tell me about Harry's parents and Sally's and whatever else you know
or think might help.

When I look at your questions I know right away it is NYC in what date range --
where I am pretty skilled -- but if it says Vienna in 1895 I know to move on since
I do not know those records and can not help you. If I have to read though all the
details of Sally, her parents, cousins, aunt, uncles, the grocery store she went
to, etc. I am sorry but I will never get to your question to offer you help.

Like Joe said in his post, I don't want to start a discussion about this but just
to leave something to think about.

Allan Jordan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Experts Responding to Newbies Questions #general

A. E. Jordan
 

From: Joseph Fibel
.... I should like to suggest to the very knowledgeable
and accomplished and expert posters, that in response to the queries
of the less experienced, they make specific hints or suggestions on
how to proceed but not do the work.


I know the moderators said this is not a discussion and I am not opening it up
other to say sometimes I think it is better to give people the knowledge to do
searches so that they can use that information to do more searching and have
greater skills in the future, but sometimes the only way to help is to give a
response with the results.

The reason I am writing however is to repeat an old plea .... for newbies and
skilled researchers alike ..... when you send a post to the list please lead with
your question or problem and not the family history. It makes it easier for us to
scan the questions and figure out where we can help and I am sure you will get
better responses.

If I can not see the question and have to sort through a lengthy set of background
... I am bad ... I just move on to the next post and I am sure other people do too.

Please start requests for help with here's my problem or here's what I need or ....
and then if it helps here's background I have on this issue. Please be clear if
you know a geographic location to state it up front as well as relevant dates. For
example:

I am stuck on I can not find when Harry married Sally -- they lived in New York
City and I know the marriage had to be between these dates ....

In the date census Harry is single living at address blank but I can not find Sally
in the census but I know in date they had their first child.

Then you can tell me about Harry's parents and Sally's and whatever else you know
or think might help.

When I look at your questions I know right away it is NYC in what date range --
where I am pretty skilled -- but if it says Vienna in 1895 I know to move on since
I do not know those records and can not help you. If I have to read though all the
details of Sally, her parents, cousins, aunt, uncles, the grocery store she went
to, etc. I am sorry but I will never get to your question to offer you help.

Like Joe said in his post, I don't want to start a discussion about this but just
to leave something to think about.

Allan Jordan


ViewMate Translation Request - Polish to English #general

Jerry Schneider <jerry.schneider@...>
 

I would like to get complete translations of the following two Polish vital
records on ViewMate. They are on ViewMate at the following addresses:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM52736
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM52740

The first record (2736) is the death record of Moszek RUBIN >from Zolkiewka,
Poland. The second record (2740) is the death record of Herszek TELESZMAN
from Izbica, Poland.
Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Thank you very much.

Jerry Schneider
Burke, VA, USA

Researching SZNAJDERMAN and related family lines >from Izbica, Poland
Researching ROJTMAN and related family lines >from Zolkiewka, Poland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate Translation Request - Polish to English #general

Jerry Schneider <jerry.schneider@...>
 

I would like to get complete translations of the following two Polish vital
records on ViewMate. They are on ViewMate at the following addresses:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM52736
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM52740

The first record (2736) is the death record of Moszek RUBIN >from Zolkiewka,
Poland. The second record (2740) is the death record of Herszek TELESZMAN
from Izbica, Poland.
Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Thank you very much.

Jerry Schneider
Burke, VA, USA

Researching SZNAJDERMAN and related family lines >from Izbica, Poland
Researching ROJTMAN and related family lines >from Zolkiewka, Poland


ViewMate Translation Request - Russian to English #general

Jerry Schneider <jerry.schneider@...>
 

I would like to get complete translations of the following three Russsian
vital records on ViewMate. They are on ViewMate at the following addresses:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM52737
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM52738
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM52739

The first record (2737) is the birth record of Ruchla SHNAIDERMAN from
Izbica, Poland. The second record (2738) is a record of Cypa ROI[I}TMAN
from Zolkiewka, Poland. The third record (2739) is a birth record for Tsypa
TELESZMAN >from Izbica, Poland.

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Thank you very much.

Jerry Schneider
Burke, VA, USA

Researching SZNAJDERMAN and related family lines >from Izbica, Poland
Researching ROJTMAN and related family lines >from Zolkiewka, Poland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate Translation Request - Russian to English #general

Jerry Schneider <jerry.schneider@...>
 

I would like to get complete translations of the following three Russsian
vital records on ViewMate. They are on ViewMate at the following addresses:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM52737
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM52738
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM52739

The first record (2737) is the birth record of Ruchla SHNAIDERMAN from
Izbica, Poland. The second record (2738) is a record of Cypa ROI[I}TMAN
from Zolkiewka, Poland. The third record (2739) is a birth record for Tsypa
TELESZMAN >from Izbica, Poland.

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Thank you very much.

Jerry Schneider
Burke, VA, USA

Researching SZNAJDERMAN and related family lines >from Izbica, Poland
Researching ROJTMAN and related family lines >from Zolkiewka, Poland


Re: Location of or meaning of Pfanne #germany

Roger Lustig
 

Ben:

"Pfanne" is the German word for "pan"--the cooking utensil.

Before there were street signs and house numbers, houses in larger towns
were identified by signs. (Something like this was necessary in a world
where most people weren't literate.) Many of Frankfurt's Jews and those
in other large urban communities used their house-sign as a surname.
STRAUSS (ostrich), GANS (goose), BLUM (flower), OCHS (ox), SPIEGEL
(mirror), GREIFF (griffin) and many others are still common among their
descendants. Until around 1800 these surnames were not official and
sometimes changed over time, but Jews in large communities like
Frankfurt found them useful for business and other purposes, and many of
their family names can be traced back for centuries.

"Pfanne" as a house is perhaps best remembered for the house behind it.
The famous ROTHSCHILD family lived in their "red-shield" house until
they moved to "Hinterpfann"--the house behind the house with the sign of
the pan. Fortunately for all of us, they kept their already well-known name.

The passage you have on Viewmate shows that the family moved >from house
to house: the White Rose, the Pan, the Horseshoe (Hufeisen.)

Dietz is very circumspect in his attribution of relationships between
the people he mentions, which is a good attitude to have with this sort
of information.

Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ USA research coordinator, GerSIG

On 1/9/2017 7:44 AM, Ben Forman ben.r.forman@gmail.com wrote:
According to the book "Stammbuch der Frankfurter Juden", Alexander
Dietz, Frankfurt 1907, a resident of Frankfurt in the 1500s whom I may
be descended >from was the son of Eliakim >from Pfanne. I've uploaded
the relvent paragraph form the book to Viewmate for clarity, and
in case I've misunderstood the translation:
Any advice on the meaning of this or the location of "Pfanne" would be
appreciated; it doesn't appear in the JewishGen Communities Database.


German SIG #Germany Re: Location of or meaning of Pfanne #germany

Roger Lustig
 

Ben:

"Pfanne" is the German word for "pan"--the cooking utensil.

Before there were street signs and house numbers, houses in larger towns
were identified by signs. (Something like this was necessary in a world
where most people weren't literate.) Many of Frankfurt's Jews and those
in other large urban communities used their house-sign as a surname.
STRAUSS (ostrich), GANS (goose), BLUM (flower), OCHS (ox), SPIEGEL
(mirror), GREIFF (griffin) and many others are still common among their
descendants. Until around 1800 these surnames were not official and
sometimes changed over time, but Jews in large communities like
Frankfurt found them useful for business and other purposes, and many of
their family names can be traced back for centuries.

"Pfanne" as a house is perhaps best remembered for the house behind it.
The famous ROTHSCHILD family lived in their "red-shield" house until
they moved to "Hinterpfann"--the house behind the house with the sign of
the pan. Fortunately for all of us, they kept their already well-known name.

The passage you have on Viewmate shows that the family moved >from house
to house: the White Rose, the Pan, the Horseshoe (Hufeisen.)

Dietz is very circumspect in his attribution of relationships between
the people he mentions, which is a good attitude to have with this sort
of information.

Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ USA research coordinator, GerSIG

On 1/9/2017 7:44 AM, Ben Forman ben.r.forman@gmail.com wrote:
According to the book "Stammbuch der Frankfurter Juden", Alexander
Dietz, Frankfurt 1907, a resident of Frankfurt in the 1500s whom I may
be descended >from was the son of Eliakim >from Pfanne. I've uploaded
the relvent paragraph form the book to Viewmate for clarity, and
in case I've misunderstood the translation:
Any advice on the meaning of this or the location of "Pfanne" would be
appreciated; it doesn't appear in the JewishGen Communities Database.


2017 Orlando Conference.. #romania

Rosanne Leeson
 

Dear Rom-SIG Members,

You have probably seen the various announcements about this summer's
IAJGS Conference in Orlando, FL next July. Anyone who is hoping to
presenting a session must send in their proposal by January 15, this
coming Sunday.

At this point it is not clear whether Barbara or I will be able to
attend. But we would like to hear >from as many of you as possible
whether or not you are planning, or even considering, attending, as soon
as possible. This will greatly aid us in planning.

Thank you,
Rosanne Leeson
Coordinator
Barbara Hershey
Research Coordinator


Romania SIG #Romania 2017 Orlando Conference.. #romania

Rosanne Leeson
 

Dear Rom-SIG Members,

You have probably seen the various announcements about this summer's
IAJGS Conference in Orlando, FL next July. Anyone who is hoping to
presenting a session must send in their proposal by January 15, this
coming Sunday.

At this point it is not clear whether Barbara or I will be able to
attend. But we would like to hear >from as many of you as possible
whether or not you are planning, or even considering, attending, as soon
as possible. This will greatly aid us in planning.

Thank you,
Rosanne Leeson
Coordinator
Barbara Hershey
Research Coordinator


Re: Citizenship Denied #general

DaveHMD <dorsharris@...>
 

Dear members,

Many thanks for the responses to my question about a denial of citizenship and the
New York court's entry of Lack of Prosecution and, specifically, List 1883. I had
erroneously assumed List 1883 would identify the cause for denial. It appears that
my relative did not fully provide the information requested.

Thanks again,
David Harris


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Citizenship Denied #general

DaveHMD <dorsharris@...>
 

Dear members,

Many thanks for the responses to my question about a denial of citizenship and the
New York court's entry of Lack of Prosecution and, specifically, List 1883. I had
erroneously assumed List 1883 would identify the cause for denial. It appears that
my relative did not fully provide the information requested.

Thanks again,
David Harris


Re: Citizenship Denied #general

A. E. Jordan
 

David Harris wrote:

"In 1927, a family member petitioned the Southern New York District Court of the
United States for citizenship.

Stephen Katz wrote:
David might wish to contact the court clerk's office for further information.


Southern District is Federal not State so any information would be at NARA. There
should also be a file at CIS in Washington DC and the CIS historian might know more
of the specifics of this list.

David might also want to check with HIAS as they helped some people who were having
immigration problems.

Allan Jordan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Citizenship Denied #general

A. E. Jordan
 

David Harris wrote:

"In 1927, a family member petitioned the Southern New York District Court of the
United States for citizenship.

Stephen Katz wrote:
David might wish to contact the court clerk's office for further information.


Southern District is Federal not State so any information would be at NARA. There
should also be a file at CIS in Washington DC and the CIS historian might know more
of the specifics of this list.

David might also want to check with HIAS as they helped some people who were having
immigration problems.

Allan Jordan


Re: Jewish Cemetery in Zalaegerszeg : Lack of data #hungary

david@...
 

I would suggest that anyone seeking information on the Zala County
Jewish community (including Zalaegerseg), might find it useful to speak
with Dejan Suc, who has made considerable study of the Jewish families
of this region (including the areas today in the Slovenian side of the
border).

He was one of the presenters at last years IAJGS conference in Seattle.
I think he monitors this SIG discussion group, but if not perhaps
someone in this group can pass on his email address.

David Deutsch

On 2017-01-07 11:06, Thomas Klein tomk@ecologicaltech.com wrote:
i'm not certain, but the town's records may suffer >from a common
disease: lack of
interest.

i have noticed that most people will focus their attention (and
research) on the
towns that most of their ancestors came from. sadly, in the case of
many smaller
communities in hungary, there were not very many who survived the
nazis, and then
the communists, and therefore there is limited interest and fewer
volunteers, etc.
assuming, of course, that the records weren't all destroyed by fire,
flood or
malicious intent.

because the indexing and transcription of all records has been done on
a piecemeal
basis, rather than with a grand scheme, that's just the way it is.


....... tom klein, toronto



ezwieback@verizon.net wrote:

I believe my uncle Izidor ZWIEBACK, b. 1884, d. 1909, is buried in the
Jewish Cemetery in Zalaegerszeg, the admin. center of Zala County.

I notice there are no burial listings for this cemetery in JOWBR and
almost no description of the cemetery in the IAJGS project. In 1920,
the
Jewish population in Zalaegerszeg was 1,600.

Am I missing some reason for the lack of info or interest?
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re:Jewish Cemetery in Zalaegerszeg : Lack of data #hungary

david@...
 

I would suggest that anyone seeking information on the Zala County
Jewish community (including Zalaegerseg), might find it useful to speak
with Dejan Suc, who has made considerable study of the Jewish families
of this region (including the areas today in the Slovenian side of the
border).

He was one of the presenters at last years IAJGS conference in Seattle.
I think he monitors this SIG discussion group, but if not perhaps
someone in this group can pass on his email address.

David Deutsch

On 2017-01-07 11:06, Thomas Klein tomk@ecologicaltech.com wrote:
i'm not certain, but the town's records may suffer >from a common
disease: lack of
interest.

i have noticed that most people will focus their attention (and
research) on the
towns that most of their ancestors came from. sadly, in the case of
many smaller
communities in hungary, there were not very many who survived the
nazis, and then
the communists, and therefore there is limited interest and fewer
volunteers, etc.
assuming, of course, that the records weren't all destroyed by fire,
flood or
malicious intent.

because the indexing and transcription of all records has been done on
a piecemeal
basis, rather than with a grand scheme, that's just the way it is.


....... tom klein, toronto



ezwieback@verizon.net wrote:

I believe my uncle Izidor ZWIEBACK, b. 1884, d. 1909, is buried in the
Jewish Cemetery in Zalaegerszeg, the admin. center of Zala County.

I notice there are no burial listings for this cemetery in JOWBR and
almost no description of the cemetery in the IAJGS project. In 1920,
the
Jewish population in Zalaegerszeg was 1,600.

Am I missing some reason for the lack of info or interest?
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and check out the fabulous Hungary Database at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Hungary/
For back issues, search the H-SIG message archives at
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